Fernando Alonso finished second to close within four points of his
McLaren teammate. Hamilton now has 107 points, Alonso 103 and
Raikkonen 100.
It will be the first time since 1986 that three drivers will enter the
final race with a chance to take the title.
Sao Paulo Brazil Oct 21..... THIS is going to be cool.
F1 is my only 'sports' sickness. If you have never watched a race..
this will be the one to make you an addict.
r---->who thinks Hamilton can win, but Alfonso is last year's
champ..and Kimmi...well, I think he deserves it too.
Shit... 3 favourites...who am I going to root for?
*bites nails*
On Oct 7, 4:46 pm, B A R R Y <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 19:16:20 -0000, Robatoy <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >F1 is my only 'sports' sickness. If you have never watched a race..
> >this will be the one to make you an addict.
>
> Those cars are *insane*.
>
Yup!
And there are a lot of restrictions in place to keep them 'less
insane'.. no turbos etc. etc.
An age old argument has been about how CART, IRL and F1 would compare
in a race.
That opportunity came when CART hosted a race on Gilles Villeneuve
Circuit in Montreal.
The F1 were a full SIX seconds faster per lap than CART. Sayyyy no
more.
r
On Oct 7, 9:15 pm, "Jim" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
> > Fernando Alonso finished second to close within four points of his
> > McLaren teammate. Hamilton now has 107 points, Alonso 103 and
> > Raikkonen 100.
>
> > It will be the first time since 1986 that three drivers will enter the
> > final race with a chance to take the title.
>
> > Sao Paulo Brazil Oct 21..... THIS is going to be cool.
>
> > F1 is my only 'sports' sickness. If you have never watched a race..
> > this will be the one to make you an addict.
>
> > r---->who thinks Hamilton can win, but Alfonso is last year's
> > champ..and Kimmi...well, I think he deserves it too.
> > Shit... 3 favourites...who am I going to root for?
>
> > *bites nails*
>
> Hamilton had everything wrapped up until his crash. If only he had replaced
> the tires....
>
> Jim
Great end coming up to a great season. Nothing compares to F1 when it
comes to motor sport (ok, Group B rally cars, but they banned those in
1986). Hamilton is likely to win it all, but I'm hoping for two
McLaren breakdowns in Brazil, and a Ferrari 1-2!
Kevin
Sun, Oct 7, 2007, 6:51pm (EDT-3) [email protected] (Kevin)
<snip> (ok, Group B rally cars, but they banned those in 1986) <snip>
Ooh, ooh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Group B cars. Forgot about them. I
want an Audi Quattro.
JOAT
"I'm an Igor, thur. We don't athk quethtionth."
"Really? Why not?"
"I don't know, thur. I didn't athk."
On Oct 7, 9:51 pm, Kevin <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Oct 7, 9:15 pm, "Jim" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> >news:[email protected]...
>
> > > Fernando Alonso finished second to close within four points of his
> > > McLaren teammate. Hamilton now has 107 points, Alonso 103 and
> > > Raikkonen 100.
>
> > > It will be the first time since 1986 that three drivers will enter the
> > > final race with a chance to take the title.
>
> > > Sao Paulo Brazil Oct 21..... THIS is going to be cool.
>
> > > F1 is my only 'sports' sickness. If you have never watched a race..
> > > this will be the one to make you an addict.
>
> > > r---->who thinks Hamilton can win, but Alfonso is last year's
> > > champ..and Kimmi...well, I think he deserves it too.
> > > Shit... 3 favourites...who am I going to root for?
>
> > > *bites nails*
>
> > Hamilton had everything wrapped up until his crash. If only he had replaced
> > the tires....
>
> > Jim
>
> Great end coming up to a great season. Nothing compares to F1 when it
> comes to motor sport (ok, Group B rally cars, but they banned those in
> 1986). Hamilton is likely to win it all, but I'm hoping for two
> McLaren breakdowns in Brazil, and a Ferrari 1-2!
>
That would be pretty cool. I'm a bit disappointed in McLaren and that
whole espionage thing.
On Oct 7, 9:15 pm, "Jim" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
> > Fernando Alonso finished second to close within four points of his
> > McLaren teammate. Hamilton now has 107 points, Alonso 103 and
> > Raikkonen 100.
>
> > It will be the first time since 1986 that three drivers will enter the
> > final race with a chance to take the title.
>
> > Sao Paulo Brazil Oct 21..... THIS is going to be cool.
>
> > F1 is my only 'sports' sickness. If you have never watched a race..
> > this will be the one to make you an addict.
>
> > r---->who thinks Hamilton can win, but Alfonso is last year's
> > champ..and Kimmi...well, I think he deserves it too.
> > Shit... 3 favourites...who am I going to root for?
>
> > *bites nails*
>
> Hamilton had everything wrapped up until his crash. If only he had replaced
> the tires....
>
That just goes to show that all kinds of decisions go into a win. Bad
ones into a loss. It's all teamwork.
On Oct 8, 12:20 am, Kevin M. Vernon <[email protected]>
wrote:
> Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> >On Oct 7, 4:46 pm, B A R R Y <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 19:16:20 -0000, Robatoy <[email protected]>
> >> wrote:
>
> >> >F1 is my only 'sports' sickness. If you have never watched a race..
> >> >this will be the one to make you an addict.
>
> >> Those cars are *insane*.
>
> >Yup!
> >And there are a lot of restrictions in place to keep them 'less
> >insane'.. no turbos etc. etc.
>
> >An age old argument has been about how CART, IRL and F1 would compare
> >in a race.
> >That opportunity came when CART hosted a race on Gilles Villeneuve
> >Circuit in Montreal.
> >The F1 were a full SIX seconds faster per lap than CART. Sayyyy no
> >more.
>
> >r
>
> Fair is fair - let's put the F-1 cars on abig oval like say...Indy, or
> Michigan, and see just how much slower they are than CART cars. I've
> yet to see an F-1 car cross traps at 250+ CART cars were doing that
> at Indy 15 years ago. Fair is fair.
>
Turn left, turn left, turn left..yeehaw.. now we're racing.
That's like basketball...but no running allowed.
I'm not saying that Nascar and all that oval stuff isn't exciting to a
lot of people, and a lot of people listen to country too...but that
just isn't me. There are people who actually drink Budweiser!
MotorCAR racing on a road course is a lot more challenging,
interesting and real than that oval stuff.
Try racing in the rain..you know, real world situations. Rallies are
super cool, but there isn't enough coverage to get to know the drivers
and their gear.
One nice thing about people is that we all like different things.
On Oct 8, 10:55 am, dpb <[email protected]> wrote:
> Kevin wrote:
> > Indy cars are designed to go fast on ovals, F1 cars road courses,
> > Thrust SSC straight line on a desert. So, no use in comparing apples
> > to oranges. That said, when it comes to technology, indy cars can't
> > hold a candle to F1 cars. ...
>
> But each is designed within a very narrow range of restrictive rules --
> w/o that, there would be cars show up at Indy that would beat the sox
> off all others -- which doesn't make for much of a race.
>
> So, the point of "apples and oranges" goes even deeper to the basic
> rules of each...
>
> --
Very true. In fact, Indy car chassis can cost no more than $309,000.
F1 car costs about 10x that. So, comparing an F1 car to an Indy car
is like comparing an Indy car to a $30,000 racing car. F1 technology
is just amazing.
Kevin
On Oct 8, 11:25 am, "todd" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Kevin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
> > Driving skill? Top drivers are F1 and
> > rally.
>
> Yep. That's why Juan Montoya is leading the Nextel Cup Series in points.
> Oh, wait...my bad...that's Jeff Gordon. Juan's in 20th place. The point
> is, each race type has its own set of driver skills and trying to say that a
> driver in once race type is better than another in a different type is a
> fruitless (and pointless) exercise.
>
A bit like comparing soccer and football. How well would Beckham do as
a Colt?
It is exactly the difference between oval and road courses that make
road courses so appealing to me.
Add the ultra-high tech of F1, and it is a sport *I* prefer.
Now, Group B Rallye has (had) it all.
LeMans is another great event in motor racing.
And THEN there are those who actually watch golf on TV....now THAT's a
thrill-a-minute!!! </sarcasm>
r
On Oct 8, 11:25 am, "todd" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Kevin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
> > Driving skill? Top drivers are F1 and
> > rally.
>
> Yep. That's why Juan Montoya is leading the Nextel Cup Series in points.
> Oh, wait...my bad...that's Jeff Gordon. Juan's in 20th place. The point
> is, each race type has its own set of driver skills and trying to say that a
> driver in once race type is better than another in a different type is a
> fruitless (and pointless) exercise.
>
> todd
Touche, touche. Now if I could only remember the name of that rookie
who won the CART championship in 1999.... :-)
Kevin
On Oct 8, 12:13 pm, Kevin <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Oct 8, 11:25 am, "todd" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > "Kevin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> >news:[email protected]...
>
> > > Driving skill? Top drivers are F1 and
> > > rally.
>
> > Yep. That's why Juan Montoya is leading the Nextel Cup Series in points.
> > Oh, wait...my bad...that's Jeff Gordon. Juan's in 20th place. The point
> > is, each race type has its own set of driver skills and trying to say that a
> > driver in once race type is better than another in a different type is a
> > fruitless (and pointless) exercise.
>
> > todd
>
> Touche, touche. Now if I could only remember the name of that rookie
> who won the CART championship in 1999.... :-)
>
*smirks*...for a second there there i thought you were talking about
this guy:
Jacques Villeneuve is notable for winning the 1995 CART Championship,
the 1995 Indianapolis 500 and the 1997 Formula One Championship.
I guess it is not about the drivers, eh?
>
> I remember people rolling on the floor laughing at Ford's choice of
> drivers for LeMans in
> '67.
>
> --
> --
> --John
> to email, dial "usenet" and validate
> (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
1960s were truly a Golden Era. Guys would race Indy and F1 (and Le
Mans!) in the same year. People laughed at Dan Gurney and AJ Foyt?? I
guess they showed 'em! I love how the GT40Mk IV had the "Gurney
bubble" in the roof to accommodate Gurney's tall frame.
Kevin
>
> It would be smart on McLaren's part to yank Alonzo from the final race and
> replace him with Pedro de la Rosa. It's the only way McLaren can be sure a
> McLaren driver will take the championship. Pedro de la Rosa may be helpful
> in keeping the Ferraris from running away with the race -- all Hamilton
> would have to do is place well.
>
> Alonzo won't be with McLaren next year and has no loyalty to anyone but
> himself. Hamilton doesn't have to win, he just has to stay close to Alonzo.
> If Hamilton is on Alonzo's tail near the end of the Brazilian race, Alonzo's
> only chance for a championship is to take out Hamilton, hoping he (Alonzo)
> can continue after the incident. This would be a repeat of what Schumacher
> did to Mika Hakkinen at Macau, an incident which thrust Schumacher into the
> limelight for F-1 and from which Hakkinen (IMHO) never recovered.
>
> My guess -- if McLaren allows Alonzo to race, at some point he will try to
> take out Hamilton and they'll both DNF, giving the championship to Kimi.
I agree with you, I tend to think Alonzo is capable of just about
anything. He clearly has no love for Hamilton, and like most drivers,
coming in 2nd is no better than coming in last. It's going to be a
very interesting finish!
Kevin
On Oct 8, 1:44 am, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Oct 8, 12:20 am, Kevin M. Vernon <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> > Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >On Oct 7, 4:46 pm, B A R R Y <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >> On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 19:16:20 -0000, Robatoy <[email protected]>
> > >> wrote:
>
> > >> >F1 is my only 'sports' sickness. If you have never watched a race..
> > >> >this will be the one to make you an addict.
>
> > >> Those cars are *insane*.
>
> > >Yup!
> > >And there are a lot of restrictions in place to keep them 'less
> > >insane'.. no turbos etc. etc.
>
> > >An age old argument has been about how CART, IRL and F1 would compare
> > >in a race.
> > >That opportunity came when CART hosted a race on Gilles Villeneuve
> > >Circuit in Montreal.
> > >The F1 were a full SIX seconds faster per lap than CART. Sayyyy no
> > >more.
>
> > >r
>
> > Fair is fair - let's put the F-1 cars on abig oval like say...Indy, or
> > Michigan, and see just how much slower they are than CART cars. I've
> > yet to see an F-1 car cross traps at 250+ CART cars were doing that
> > at Indy 15 years ago. Fair is fair.
>
> Turn left, turn left, turn left..yeehaw.. now we're racing.
> That's like basketball...but no running allowed.
>
> I'm not saying that Nascar and all that oval stuff isn't exciting to a
> lot of people, and a lot of people listen to country too...but that
> just isn't me. There are people who actually drink Budweiser!
>
> MotorCAR racing on a road course is a lot more challenging,
> interesting and real than that oval stuff.
> Try racing in the rain..you know, real world situations. Rallies are
> super cool, but there isn't enough coverage to get to know the drivers
> and their gear.
>
> One nice thing about people is that we all like different things.
Come to Virginia. Virginia International Raceway just outside Danville
is truly an international quality track, 3.27 miles of twists and
straights on a 50+ year old base. Check out www.virclub.com or look at
my web site www.charlieselfonline.com. I have a few photos up of
recent vintage sports car races there and may get some more up in a
couple weeks. I missed getting shots of Carrol Shelby back in June,
though, while he and Chris Economaki were at the 50th anniversary
celebration. Great place.
On Oct 17, 6:26 pm, "Dave Gordon" <d@p> wrote:
> "Kevin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
>
>
>
>
> >> It would be smart on McLaren's part to yank Alonzo from the final race and
> >> replace him with Pedro de la Rosa. It's the only way McLaren can be sure a
> >> McLaren driver will take the championship. Pedro de la Rosa may be helpful
> >> in keeping the Ferraris from running away with the race -- all Hamilton
> >> would have to do is place well.
>
> >> Alonzo won't be with McLaren next year and has no loyalty to anyone but
> >> himself. Hamilton doesn't have to win, he just has to stay close to Alonzo.
> >> If Hamilton is on Alonzo's tail near the end of the Brazilian race, Alonzo's
> >> only chance for a championship is to take out Hamilton, hoping he (Alonzo)
> >> can continue after the incident. This would be a repeat of what Schumacher
> >> did to Mika Hakkinen at Macau, an incident which thrust Schumacher into the
> >> limelight for F-1 and from which Hakkinen (IMHO) never recovered.
>
> >> My guess -- if McLaren allows Alonzo to race, at some point he will try to
> >> take out Hamilton and they'll both DNF, giving the championship to Kimi.
>
> > I agree with you, I tend to think Alonzo is capable of just about
> > anything. He clearly has no love for Hamilton, and like most drivers,
> > coming in 2nd is no better than coming in last. It's going to be a
> > very interesting finish!
>
> > Kevin
>
> Since Alonso is leaving McLaren at the end of the season, I think he will be lucky to find wheels on
> his car when the lights go green. He will certainly have to pump his own gas in the pitstops.
As mentioned elsewhere in this thread, maybe they shouldn't run him at
all.
On Oct 7, 3:16 pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> Fernando Alonso finished second to close within four points of his
> McLaren teammate. Hamilton now has 107 points, Alonso 103 and
> Raikkonen 100.
>
> It will be the first time since 1986 that three drivers will enter the
> final race with a chance to take the title.
>
> Sao Paulo Brazil Oct 21..... THIS is going to be cool.
>
> F1 is my only 'sports' sickness. If you have never watched a race..
> this will be the one to make you an addict.
>
> r---->who thinks Hamilton can win, but Alfonso is last year's
> champ..and Kimmi...well, I think he deserves it too.
> Shit... 3 favourites...who am I going to root for?
>
> *bites nails*
That was good.... just wow...just plain wow
On Oct 7, 3:16 pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> Fernando Alonso finished second to close within four points of his
> McLaren teammate. Hamilton now has 107 points, Alonso 103 and
> Raikkonen 100.
>
> It will be the first time since 1986 that three drivers will enter the
> final race with a chance to take the title.
>
> Sao Paulo Brazil Oct 21..... THIS is going to be cool.
>
> F1 is my only 'sports' sickness. If you have never watched a race..
> this will be the one to make you an addict.
>
> r---->who thinks Hamilton can win, but Alfonso is last year's
> champ..and Kimmi...well, I think he deserves it too.
> Shit... 3 favourites...who am I going to root for?
>
> *bites nails*
So, was it everything you imagined? What a race. 2007 will go down
in history as one of the most exciting F1 finishes ever. Forza
Ferrari!
Kevin
"Kevin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Oct 7, 9:15 pm, "Jim" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>
>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> > Fernando Alonso finished second to close within four points of his
>> > McLaren teammate. Hamilton now has 107 points, Alonso 103 and
>> > Raikkonen 100.
>>
>> > It will be the first time since 1986 that three drivers will enter the
>> > final race with a chance to take the title.
>>
>> > Sao Paulo Brazil Oct 21..... THIS is going to be cool.
>>
>> > F1 is my only 'sports' sickness. If you have never watched a race..
>> > this will be the one to make you an addict.
>>
>> > r---->who thinks Hamilton can win, but Alfonso is last year's
>> > champ..and Kimmi...well, I think he deserves it too.
>> > Shit... 3 favourites...who am I going to root for?
>>
>> > *bites nails*
>>
>> Hamilton had everything wrapped up until his crash. If only he had
>> replaced
>> the tires....
>>
>> Jim
>
> Great end coming up to a great season. Nothing compares to F1 when it
> comes to motor sport (ok, Group B rally cars, but they banned those in
> 1986). Hamilton is likely to win it all, but I'm hoping for two
> McLaren breakdowns in Brazil, and a Ferrari 1-2!
>
> Kevin
It would be smart on McLaren's part to yank Alonzo from the final race and
replace him with Pedro de la Rosa. It's the only way McLaren can be sure a
McLaren driver will take the championship. Pedro de la Rosa may be helpful
in keeping the Ferraris from running away with the race -- all Hamilton
would have to do is place well.
Alonzo won't be with McLaren next year and has no loyalty to anyone but
himself. Hamilton doesn't have to win, he just has to stay close to Alonzo.
If Hamilton is on Alonzo's tail near the end of the Brazilian race, Alonzo's
only chance for a championship is to take out Hamilton, hoping he (Alonzo)
can continue after the incident. This would be a repeat of what Schumacher
did to Mika Hakkinen at Macau, an incident which thrust Schumacher into the
limelight for F-1 and from which Hakkinen (IMHO) never recovered.
My guess -- if McLaren allows Alonzo to race, at some point he will try to
take out Hamilton and they'll both DNF, giving the championship to Kimi.
"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
[snip]
>>
> *smirks*...for a second there there i thought you were talking about
> this guy:
>
> Jacques Villeneuve is notable for winning the 1995 CART Championship,
> the 1995 Indianapolis 500 and the 1997 Formula One Championship.
>
> I guess it is not about the drivers, eh?
>
Jacques Villeneuve was the best driver I ever say -- more skilled than
Schumacher (either one), Hakkinen, Prost, or anyone else. What he
didn't/doesn't have is the single-mindedness and dedication that took
Schumacher to new heights. Schumacher never seemed to stop trying or lose
focus, but Villeneuve won the F-1 championship and then seemed to lose
interest -- just as Alonzo has become a prima donna and Raikonnen has spent
too much time "enjoying" his personal life.
There are a few people in sports that are able to combine natural skills
with complete focus and total dedication. Tiger Woods, Bret Favre, D
Earnhart (but not Jr.) and a few others come to mind --
From here it looks like Hamilton may have a combination of skill and
dedication similar to Schumacher's, but we'll have to wait for a year or so
to find out for sure --
[email protected] (Doug Miller) wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>, Kevin M. Vernon <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Fair is fair - let's put the F-1 cars on abig oval like say...Indy, or
>>Michigan, and see just how much slower they are than CART cars. I've
>>yet to see an F-1 car cross traps at 250+ CART cars were doing that
>>at Indy 15 years ago. Fair is fair.
>>
>>-Kevin in Indy. (Who still thinks Spa Francorchamps is the best
>>racetrack in the world - even with The Brickyard in his neighborhood)
>
>Hey, another Indy wRECker! How close to the track are you? I'm near 38th &
>Kessler.
Clear across town, now - 96th & I-69. Geist/Fishers
-Kevin in Indy
To reply, remove (+spamproof+) from address........
"Kevin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>>
>> It would be smart on McLaren's part to yank Alonzo from the final race and
>> replace him with Pedro de la Rosa. It's the only way McLaren can be sure a
>> McLaren driver will take the championship. Pedro de la Rosa may be helpful
>> in keeping the Ferraris from running away with the race -- all Hamilton
>> would have to do is place well.
>>
>> Alonzo won't be with McLaren next year and has no loyalty to anyone but
>> himself. Hamilton doesn't have to win, he just has to stay close to Alonzo.
>> If Hamilton is on Alonzo's tail near the end of the Brazilian race, Alonzo's
>> only chance for a championship is to take out Hamilton, hoping he (Alonzo)
>> can continue after the incident. This would be a repeat of what Schumacher
>> did to Mika Hakkinen at Macau, an incident which thrust Schumacher into the
>> limelight for F-1 and from which Hakkinen (IMHO) never recovered.
>>
>> My guess -- if McLaren allows Alonzo to race, at some point he will try to
>> take out Hamilton and they'll both DNF, giving the championship to Kimi.
>
> I agree with you, I tend to think Alonzo is capable of just about
> anything. He clearly has no love for Hamilton, and like most drivers,
> coming in 2nd is no better than coming in last. It's going to be a
> very interesting finish!
>
> Kevin
>
Since Alonso is leaving McLaren at the end of the season, I think he will be lucky to find wheels on
his car when the lights go green. He will certainly have to pump his own gas in the pitstops.
"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Oct 17, 6:26 pm, "Dave Gordon" <d@p> wrote:
>> "Kevin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>
>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >> It would be smart on McLaren's part to yank Alonzo from the final race and
>> >> replace him with Pedro de la Rosa. It's the only way McLaren can be sure a
>> >> McLaren driver will take the championship. Pedro de la Rosa may be helpful
>> >> in keeping the Ferraris from running away with the race -- all Hamilton
>> >> would have to do is place well.
>>
>> >> Alonzo won't be with McLaren next year and has no loyalty to anyone but
>> >> himself. Hamilton doesn't have to win, he just has to stay close to Alonzo.
>> >> If Hamilton is on Alonzo's tail near the end of the Brazilian race, Alonzo's
>> >> only chance for a championship is to take out Hamilton, hoping he (Alonzo)
>> >> can continue after the incident. This would be a repeat of what Schumacher
>> >> did to Mika Hakkinen at Macau, an incident which thrust Schumacher into the
>> >> limelight for F-1 and from which Hakkinen (IMHO) never recovered.
>>
>> >> My guess -- if McLaren allows Alonzo to race, at some point he will try to
>> >> take out Hamilton and they'll both DNF, giving the championship to Kimi.
>>
>> > I agree with you, I tend to think Alonzo is capable of just about
>> > anything. He clearly has no love for Hamilton, and like most drivers,
>> > coming in 2nd is no better than coming in last. It's going to be a
>> > very interesting finish!
>>
>> > Kevin
>>
>> Since Alonso is leaving McLaren at the end of the season, I think he will be lucky to find wheels
>> on
>> his car when the lights go green. He will certainly have to pump his own gas in the pitstops.
>
> As mentioned elsewhere in this thread, maybe they shouldn't run him at
> all.
>
He has a theoretical chance of winning the World Championship. In order to at least gain a semblance
of striving for the moral high ground, they have to let him race.
"todd" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"Kevin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> Driving skill? Top drivers are F1 and
>> rally.
>
>Yep. That's why Juan Montoya is leading the Nextel Cup Series in points.
>Oh, wait...my bad...that's Jeff Gordon. Juan's in 20th place. The point
>is, each race type has its own set of driver skills and trying to say that a
>driver in once race type is better than another in a different type is a
>fruitless (and pointless) exercise.
>
>todd
>
You just might mention that Juan Pablo is having the BEST rookie
season of ANYBODY, EVER. Better than Gordon's rookie year, just ask
Jeff.
-Kevin in Indy
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On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 19:16:20 -0000, Robatoy <[email protected]>
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>F1 is my only 'sports' sickness. If you have never watched a race..
>this will be the one to make you an addict.
Those cars are *insane*.
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On Oct 7, 7:55 pm, [email protected] (J T) tapped out in Morse
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>
> Nah. Motorcycle sidecar racing for one. Waaaay cooler. Then
> there's mud bogging.
You talkin' swamp buggies? Those guys are sooo nuts..in a good way.
Sun, Oct 7, 2007, 4:46pm [email protected] (B=A0A=A0R=A0R=A0Y)
posted that:
On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 19:16:20 -0000, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
F1 is my only 'sports' sickness. If you have never watched a race.. this
will be the one to make you an addict. <snip>
Some how missed the original post, or it just hasn't shown up yet;
that's happened before.
Nah. Motorcycle sidecar racing for one. Waaaay cooler. Then
there's mud bogging. Hmmm, yep those two are pretty much the tops in
racing. Used to watch the sidecar racers practicing at Hockenheim. And
mud bogging is always good for some excitement, and laughs. Then
there's midget (car) racing, and short track racing. I like racting
where I can see the whole track, and they aren't going so fast you can't
see them, and if they do crash, it's usually pretty much no, or at least
limited, injuries. I'm a person of simple pleasures.
JOAT
"I'm an Igor, thur. We don't athk quethtionth."
"Really? Why not?"
"I don't know, thur. I didn't athk."
[email protected] (J T) wrote:
>Sun, Oct 7, 2007, 4:46pm [email protected] (B A R R Y)
>posted that:
>On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 19:16:20 -0000, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>F1 is my only 'sports' sickness. If you have never watched a race.. this
>will be the one to make you an addict. <snip>
>
> Some how missed the original post, or it just hasn't shown up yet;
>that's happened before.
>
> Nah. Motorcycle sidecar racing for one. Waaaay cooler. Then
>there's mud bogging. Hmmm, yep those two are pretty much the tops in
>racing. Used to watch the sidecar racers practicing at Hockenheim. And
>mud bogging is always good for some excitement, and laughs. Then
>there's midget (car) racing, and short track racing. I like racting
>where I can see the whole track, and they aren't going so fast you can't
>see them, and if they do crash, it's usually pretty much no, or at least
>limited, injuries. I'm a person of simple pleasures.
>
>
>
>JOAT
>"I'm an Igor, thur. We don't athk quethtionth."
>"Really? Why not?"
>"I don't know, thur. I didn't athk."
Unlimited Air Racing at Reno. Turning laps 150+mph FASTER than ANY
other form of motorsports you care to name. And that's in 60+ year
old machines.
Can you say 500 miles an hour? Rare Bear & Strega can.
-Kevin in Indy
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>[email protected] (Doug Miller) wrote:
>
>>In article <[email protected]>, Kevin M. Vernon
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>Fair is fair - let's put the F-1 cars on abig oval like say...Indy, or
>>>Michigan, and see just how much slower they are than CART cars. I've
>>>yet to see an F-1 car cross traps at 250+ CART cars were doing that
>>>at Indy 15 years ago. Fair is fair.
>>>
>>>-Kevin in Indy. (Who still thinks Spa Francorchamps is the best
>>>racetrack in the world - even with The Brickyard in his neighborhood)
>>
>>Hey, another Indy wRECker! How close to the track are you? I'm near 38th &
>>Kessler.
>
>Clear across town, now - 96th & I-69. Geist/Fishers
In the Land of the Traffic Jams... :-) Give me a shout if you're ever down my
way.
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> "todd" <[email protected]> wrote:
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>>
>>"Kevin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>>> Driving skill? Top drivers are F1 and
>>> rally.
>>
>>Yep. That's why Juan Montoya is leading the Nextel Cup Series in points.
>>Oh, wait...my bad...that's Jeff Gordon. Juan's in 20th place. The point
>>is, each race type has its own set of driver skills and trying to say that
>>a
>>driver in once race type is better than another in a different type is a
>>fruitless (and pointless) exercise.
>>
>>todd
>>
> You just might mention that Juan Pablo is having the BEST rookie
> season of ANYBODY, EVER. Better than Gordon's rookie year, just ask
> Jeff.
>
> -Kevin in Indy
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Rookie? My information says that Montoya started racing in CART and F1 (you
know, the hard kind of racing) since 1999. This NASCAR stuff is easy in
comparison, right? Keep in mind that in Montoya's "rookie" season, he was
32 and Gordon was 22 in his.
todd
On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 06:05:32 -0400, Kevin M. Vernon
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Oh, and the WWE...er I mean NASCAR.... is pathetic. Yuk.
My favorite NASCAR event was Sears Point, then they dumbed down the
track for stock cars. Watkins Glen could be good, too.
Back in '94 or '95, Mark Martin and Dale Earnhardt battled around
Sears Point for a good 30-40 minutes. On the last lap, DE slipped by
in the Carousel, a long descending, turn, to win the race. That race
created a road racing fan in me!
Then, the Carousel was removed from NASCAR visits to Sears Point. 8^(
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Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>Turn left, turn left, turn left..yeehaw.. now we're racing.
>That's like basketball...but no running allowed.
>
>I'm not saying that Nascar and all that oval stuff isn't exciting to a
>lot of people, and a lot of people listen to country too...but that
>just isn't me. There are people who actually drink Budweiser!
>
>MotorCAR racing on a road course is a lot more challenging,
>interesting and real than that oval stuff.
>Try racing in the rain..you know, real world situations. Rallies are
>super cool, but there isn't enough coverage to get to know the drivers
>and their gear.
>
>One nice thing about people is that we all like different things.
>
That's what I liked about CART at ther height - they ran on
EVERYTHING. Road courses, street courses, big ovals, small ovals -
they ran it all. And to stand a chance of finishing well for the year
you had to be good at everything.
Somone pointed out that F-1 cars were faster than CART cars on the
same roadcourse - granted. I suggest putting them on the same
high-speed oval & reverse the results. *shrug*
Oh, and the WWE...er I mean NASCAR.... is pathetic. Yuk.
-Kevin in Indy
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Kevin wrote:
> Indy cars are designed to go fast on ovals, F1 cars road courses,
> Thrust SSC straight line on a desert. So, no use in comparing apples
> to oranges. That said, when it comes to technology, indy cars can't
> hold a candle to F1 cars. ...
But each is designed within a very narrow range of restrictive rules --
w/o that, there would be cars show up at Indy that would beat the sox
off all others -- which doesn't make for much of a race.
So, the point of "apples and oranges" goes even deeper to the basic
rules of each...
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Kevin wrote:
> Indy cars are designed to go fast on ovals, F1 cars road courses,
> Thrust SSC straight line on a desert. So, no use in comparing
> apples
> to oranges. That said, when it comes to technology, indy cars can't
> hold a candle to F1 cars. Driving skill? Top drivers are F1 and
> rally.
I remember people rolling on the floor laughing at Ford's choice of
drivers for LeMans in
'67.
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Kevin wrote:
>> I remember people rolling on the floor laughing at Ford's choice of
>> drivers for LeMans in
>> '67.
>>
>> --
>> --
>> --John
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>
> 1960s were truly a Golden Era. Guys would race Indy and F1 (and Le
> Mans!) in the same year. People laughed at Dan Gurney and AJ Foyt??
> I
> guess they showed 'em! I love how the GT40Mk IV had the "Gurney
> bubble" in the roof to accommodate Gurney's tall frame.
Yep, some of my friends thought it was hilarious, some NASCAR guy
thinks he can win LeMans in of all things a _FORD_.
I kind of feel sorry for Enzo Ferrari though--I suspect that he went
to his grave still trying to figure out what hit him.
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On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 22:59:32 -0000, Robatoy <[email protected]>
wrote:
>The F1 were a full SIX seconds faster per lap than CART. Sayyyy no
>more.
No argument here.
F1 may be the last bastion of the "biggest sack" wins!
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In article <[email protected]>, Kevin M. Vernon <[email protected]> wrote:
>Fair is fair - let's put the F-1 cars on abig oval like say...Indy, or
>Michigan, and see just how much slower they are than CART cars. I've
>yet to see an F-1 car cross traps at 250+ CART cars were doing that
>at Indy 15 years ago. Fair is fair.
>
>-Kevin in Indy. (Who still thinks Spa Francorchamps is the best
>racetrack in the world - even with The Brickyard in his neighborhood)
Hey, another Indy wRECker! How close to the track are you? I'm near 38th &
Kessler.
--
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Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)
It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.
Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Oct 7, 4:46 pm, B A R R Y <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 19:16:20 -0000, Robatoy <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> >F1 is my only 'sports' sickness. If you have never watched a race..
>> >this will be the one to make you an addict.
>>
>> Those cars are *insane*.
>>
>
>Yup!
>And there are a lot of restrictions in place to keep them 'less
>insane'.. no turbos etc. etc.
>
>An age old argument has been about how CART, IRL and F1 would compare
>in a race.
>That opportunity came when CART hosted a race on Gilles Villeneuve
>Circuit in Montreal.
>The F1 were a full SIX seconds faster per lap than CART. Sayyyy no
>more.
>
>r
>
Fair is fair - let's put the F-1 cars on abig oval like say...Indy, or
Michigan, and see just how much slower they are than CART cars. I've
yet to see an F-1 car cross traps at 250+ CART cars were doing that
at Indy 15 years ago. Fair is fair.
-Kevin in Indy. (Who still thinks Spa Francorchamps is the best
racetrack in the world - even with The Brickyard in his neighborhood)
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On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 18:51:46 -0700, Kevin <[email protected]>
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>(ok, Group B rally cars, but they banned those in
>1986).
I missed those, as they didn't get much coverage in the USA. A local
friend of mine from South Africa via the UK, brought me up to speed on
them. He's got a large collection of models, books, and photos with
a good representation of Group B.
Man, o'man...
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"Kevin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Driving skill? Top drivers are F1 and
> rally.
Yep. That's why Juan Montoya is leading the Nextel Cup Series in points.
Oh, wait...my bad...that's Jeff Gordon. Juan's in 20th place. The point
is, each race type has its own set of driver skills and trying to say that a
driver in once race type is better than another in a different type is a
fruitless (and pointless) exercise.
todd
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> Fernando Alonso finished second to close within four points of his
> McLaren teammate. Hamilton now has 107 points, Alonso 103 and
> Raikkonen 100.
>
> It will be the first time since 1986 that three drivers will enter the
> final race with a chance to take the title.
>
> Sao Paulo Brazil Oct 21..... THIS is going to be cool.
>
> F1 is my only 'sports' sickness. If you have never watched a race..
> this will be the one to make you an addict.
>
> r---->who thinks Hamilton can win, but Alfonso is last year's
> champ..and Kimmi...well, I think he deserves it too.
> Shit... 3 favourites...who am I going to root for?
>
> *bites nails*
>
Hamilton had everything wrapped up until his crash. If only he had replaced
the tires....
Jim