Hello all.
Nobody here probably remembers me, however, I was quite active in
rec.woodworking a few years back. Unfortunately, Roadrunner went and
discontinued their usenet access leaving me high and dry. This seems
to be the norm nowadays. I started thinking that I really miss the
wreck and would love to particpate again. The problem is that it's a
royal pain in the butt to access it anymore. I managed to hook up
with a free service but, I've got to say, usenet is showing it's age.
What I'd like to to is to take down my woodworking site and change it
over to a woodworking message board/forum. I'd want it to be as free
and open as the Wreck is. There would be no ads and I'd keep graphics
very light to make it easy on those with limited bandwidth. This is
totally on my dime. I've already got the domain and I pay for the
hosting with a few other sites that I have on my account. I'd only do
this if I thought there would be enough interest from you folks. After
all, it's no fun throwing a party if nobody comes. Well, the party's
on me this time. If there's enough interest I could have the site up
in a very short order.
Please comment here and let me know. I'm particularilly interested in
hearing from the old farts that have been hanging out in the Wreck
since the beginning of recorded history!
Thanks much,
Jeff Picard
You can check out my old woodworking site at:
http://sawdustcentral.com
(this would become the new forum)
I also have a site devoted to odds and ends and silly stuff. If
you're interested you can check that out here:
http://jeffpicard.com
Please visit my website: http://jeffpicard.com
"Max" wrote:
> I do "worry" about poor spelling though. Some of the more recent
> graduates from our illustrious educational institutions can hardly
> spell their own names.
I'm convinced they can't and what is worse they don't care.
> By the way, have you ever heard of "Foghorn Leghorn"?
As in Looney Tunes fame?
Lew
"Roy" wrote:
> Are you pleased with Earthlink service? I had them years ago on
> dialup, and the service was
> terrible.
----------------------------------
SFWIW:
Like you I had E/L on dial-up for years and saw service deteriorate
dramatically.
Switched to Verizon on line package which also includes unlimited
phone (local & LD) a couple of years ago and other than loss of
binaries which Astraweb replaced, have been quite happy.
When needed, online service has been prompt and has resolved any
problems quickly.
My package does not include cell or TV service.
YMMV
Lew
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 20:37:42 -0700, "Max" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>><[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>> On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 05:56:27 -0800, Evodawg <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Jeff P. wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 25, 1:45 am, "Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*[email protected]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > Hello all.
>>>>>> > Nobody here probably remembers me,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nope, I don't have a clue who you are.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> So nice of you to make me feel so welcome Lee.
>>>>Don't mind the ole farts. I mean you said it yourself,"ole farts". And
>>>>you
>>>>know how ole farts can be, arrogant, nasty, and stubborn asses. Like my
>>>>sig says, you can lead an "old" horse to water but you can't make him
>>>>drink. Also many here that don't remember you probably think this fits
>>>>in
>>>>the spam directory. Many here, have already tried woodworking forums and
>>>>don't like the restrictions put on them. That Saw Mill Site comes to
>>>>mind.
>>>>Would rather have the freedom here of Off Topic and the occasional
>>>>tilted
>>>>vulgar humor. Try it at your own risk. Just my opinion and you know what
>>>>they say about them....
>>>
>>> The biggest problem for these "outside" boards is that it simply means
>>> that everyone has to follow two places, rather than one, to see all
>>> conversations. Most questions have to be posted and answered in both
>>> to make sure everybody gets them. It's just plain counter-productive
>>> to have multiple places carrying mostly redundabnt posts.
>>
>>Besides that the "outside" boards might embarrass you by correcting your
>>spelling.
>
> If you are that easily embarassed, or even worry about such things,
> maybe usenet is the wrong place for you.
Whooosh!! LOL
Max (wouldn't miss it for anything)
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 07:23:45 -0700, "Max" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>><[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>> On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 20:37:42 -0700, "Max" <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>><[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>>> On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 05:56:27 -0800, Evodawg <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Jeff P. wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jan 25, 1:45 am, "Lee Michaels"
>>>>>>> <leemichaels*[email protected]>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > Hello all.
>>>>>>>> > Nobody here probably remembers me,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nope, I don't have a clue who you are.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So nice of you to make me feel so welcome Lee.
>>>>>>Don't mind the ole farts. I mean you said it yourself,"ole farts". And
>>>>>>you
>>>>>>know how ole farts can be, arrogant, nasty, and stubborn asses. Like
>>>>>>my
>>>>>>sig says, you can lead an "old" horse to water but you can't make him
>>>>>>drink. Also many here that don't remember you probably think this fits
>>>>>>in
>>>>>>the spam directory. Many here, have already tried woodworking forums
>>>>>>and
>>>>>>don't like the restrictions put on them. That Saw Mill Site comes to
>>>>>>mind.
>>>>>>Would rather have the freedom here of Off Topic and the occasional
>>>>>>tilted
>>>>>>vulgar humor. Try it at your own risk. Just my opinion and you know
>>>>>>what
>>>>>>they say about them....
>>>>>
>>>>> The biggest problem for these "outside" boards is that it simply means
>>>>> that everyone has to follow two places, rather than one, to see all
>>>>> conversations. Most questions have to be posted and answered in both
>>>>> to make sure everybody gets them. It's just plain counter-productive
>>>>> to have multiple places carrying mostly redundabnt posts.
>>>>
>>>>Besides that the "outside" boards might embarrass you by correcting your
>>>>spelling.
>>>
>>> If you are that easily embarassed, or even worry about such things,
>>> maybe usenet is the wrong place for you.
>>
>>
>>Whooosh!! LOL
>>
>>Max (wouldn't miss it for anything)
>
> Well, you missed it this time.
>
> There was no "whooosh"
>
Sigh.....
At my age, Sonny, I can't think of anything that might be embarrassing to
me.
And as for "missing", I was referring to Usenet. It's almost as much fun as
woodworking; I wouldn't miss it for anything.
I do "worry" about poor spelling though. Some of the more recent graduates
from our illustrious educational institutions can hardly spell their own
names.
By the way, have you ever heard of "Foghorn Leghorn"?
Max
<[email protected]> wrote
> Hello all.
> Nobody here probably remembers me,
Nope, I don't have a clue who you are.
> Unfortunately, Roadrunner went and
> discontinued their usenet access leaving me high and dry. This seems
> to be the norm nowadays.
I signed up with Astraweb. That was simple.
> I started thinking that I really miss the
> wreck and would love to particpate again. The problem is that it's a
> royal pain in the butt to access it anymore.
Sign up with a news provider and it is easy. It is amazing the number of
folks who think this is a big mystery and/or a difficult task.
> I managed to hook up
> with a free service but, I've got to say, usenet is showing it's age.
>
As are we. Ain't nobody here 'cept us old farts.
And I like it just fine where I am, thank you.
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 05:56:27 -0800, Evodawg <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Jeff P. wrote:
>>
>>> On Jan 25, 1:45 am, "Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>> <[email protected]> wrote
>>>>
>>>> > Hello all.
>>>> > Nobody here probably remembers me,
>>>>
>>>> Nope, I don't have a clue who you are.
>>>>
>>>
>>> So nice of you to make me feel so welcome Lee.
>>Don't mind the ole farts. I mean you said it yourself,"ole farts". And you
>>know how ole farts can be, arrogant, nasty, and stubborn asses. Like my
>>sig says, you can lead an "old" horse to water but you can't make him
>>drink. Also many here that don't remember you probably think this fits in
>>the spam directory. Many here, have already tried woodworking forums and
>>don't like the restrictions put on them. That Saw Mill Site comes to mind.
>>Would rather have the freedom here of Off Topic and the occasional tilted
>>vulgar humor. Try it at your own risk. Just my opinion and you know what
>>they say about them....
>
> The biggest problem for these "outside" boards is that it simply means
> that everyone has to follow two places, rather than one, to see all
> conversations. Most questions have to be posted and answered in both
> to make sure everybody gets them. It's just plain counter-productive
> to have multiple places carrying mostly redundabnt posts.
Besides that the "outside" boards might embarrass you by correcting your
spelling.
And some tend to snip posts and that just sucks.
Max (let it all hang out)
"Lew Hodgett" wrote
>
> "Max" wrote:
>> I do "worry" about poor spelling though. Some of the more recent
>> graduates from our illustrious educational institutions can hardly
>> spell their own names.
>
> I'm convinced they can't and what is worse they don't care.
>
>> By the way, have you ever heard of "Foghorn Leghorn"?
>
> As in Looney Tunes fame?
>
> Lew
Yep. As in, "That's a joke, son, ah say, ah say, that's a joke".
The Salty Dog missed my "snerk".
Max
"Jeff P." <[email protected]> wrote in news:fc5578ed-44a5-4147-a308-
[email protected]:
> On Jan 25, 6:03 am, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> RE: Subject
>>
>> Why re-invent the wheel.
>>
>> Lew
>
> Hi Lew,
> I guess because the wheel, in this case, isn't free! Newsgroup
> services cost money. Most message boards are free.
For many of us, Usenet access is a one-time cost. Some Usenet providers
charge by the amount downloaded, so after a few years of reading a text
group there's barely a dent made in the amount purchased. The $25 I paid
for Astraweb was cheaper than a magazine subscription.
There's free providers out there too, but I haven't had much luck with
them. YMMV.
Puckdropper
"Nova" wrote:
> Verizon only dumped the binaries in your area? In New York about a
> year ago the decided to carry only the "Big 8" news groups. A few
> months ago Verizon decided to dump news groups altogether.
>
> I signed up for Astraweb when they dumped all newsgroups.
------------------------------
It's been so long since I installed Astraweb, forgot that I use it for
ALL Usenet groups.
Sorry for any confusion; however, comments about Verizon service still
stand.
Lew
Lew Hodgett wrote:
> ----------------------------------
> SFWIW:
>
> Like you I had E/L on dial-up for years and saw service deteriorate
> dramatically.
>
> Switched to Verizon on line package which also includes unlimited
> phone (local & LD) a couple of years ago and other than loss of
> binaries which Astraweb replaced, have been quite happy.
>
> When needed, online service has been prompt and has resolved any
> problems quickly.
>
> My package does not include cell or TV service.
>
> YMMV
>
> Lew
>
>
>
Verizon only dumped the binaries in your area? In New York about a year
ago the decided to carry only the "Big 8" news groups. A few months ago
Verizon decided to dump news groups altogether.
I signed up for Astraweb when they dumped all newsgroups.
--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA
[email protected]
On Jan 25, 9:19=A0am, "Mike Marlow" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> "GarageWoodworks" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:9cc00d94-41ba-4a13-a47b-293ae12cdd1a@c34g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 25, 9:12 am, "Jeff P." <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > On Jan 25, 6:03 am, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > RE: Subject
>
> > > Why re-invent the wheel.
>
> > > Lew
>
> > Hi Lew,
> > I guess because the wheel, in this case, isn't free! Newsgroup
> > services cost money. Most message boards are free.
>
> Google Groups is free.
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.woodworking/topics
>
> *************************************************************************=
*************
>
> Oh man - please don't spread that disease...
??
>
> --
>
> -Mike-
> [email protected]
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hello all.
> Nobody here probably remembers me, however, I was quite active in
> rec.woodworking a few years back. Unfortunately, Roadrunner went and
> discontinued their usenet access leaving me high and dry. This seems
> to be the norm nowadays. I started thinking that I really miss the
> wreck and would love to particpate again. The problem is that it's a
> royal pain in the butt to access it anymore. I managed to hook up
> with a free service but, I've got to say, usenet is showing it's age.
>
> What I'd like to to is to take down my woodworking site and change it
> over to a woodworking message board/forum. I'd want it to be as free
> and open as the Wreck is. There would be no ads and I'd keep graphics
> very light to make it easy on those with limited bandwidth. This is
> totally on my dime. I've already got the domain and I pay for the
> hosting with a few other sites that I have on my account. I'd only do
> this if I thought there would be enough interest from you folks. After
> all, it's no fun throwing a party if nobody comes. Well, the party's
> on me this time. If there's enough interest I could have the site up
> in a very short order.
>
> Please comment here and let me know. I'm particularilly interested in
> hearing from the old farts that have been hanging out in the Wreck
> since the beginning of recorded history!
I have only been around for about 10 years so I probably do not qualify but
I don't think you are going to get any serious commitments. If you want to
do this, do it for your own pleasure with out expectations and you will not
be disappointed. You are probably the 874,883,847 person to suggest this...
;~)
If you build a good site it shoud work.
In article <[email protected]>,
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Please comment here and let me know. I'm particularilly interested in
> hearing from the old farts that have been hanging out in the Wreck
> since the beginning of recorded history!
Sorry Jeff. I hate web based discussion forums. Haven't seen one yet
that makes it easy to follow threads or offers killfiles.
I'll stay with usenet.
On 2010-01-25 01:05:51 -0500, [email protected] said:
> Unfortunately, Roadrunner went and
> discontinued their usenet access leaving me high and dry.
When RoadRunner stranded me, they provided newsgroup access through
another provider, newshosting. Check with your local RR office -- see
if you have the same access. The catch here is that you must access
this provider from your home IP address -- tough luck for the road
warriors.
Yeah, RoadRunner kinda sucks, but so do most of these de facto
monopolies. Anyboody using AT&T's U-verse? That's my only other
realistic option, but the sales people had no clue what "usenet" was.
On 1/25/2010 8:18 AM GarageWoodworks spake thus:
> On Jan 25, 9:19 am, "Mike Marlow" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> "GarageWoodworks" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>
>> news:9cc00d94-41ba-4a13-a47b-293ae12cdd1a@c34g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
>> On Jan 25, 9:12 am, "Jeff P." <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> On Jan 25, 6:03 am, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>> RE: Subject
>>
>>>> Why re-invent the wheel.
>>
>>> Hi Lew,
>>> I guess because the wheel, in this case, isn't free! Newsgroup
>>> services cost money. Most message boards are free.
>>
>> Google Groups is free.
>>
>> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.woodworking/topics
>>
>> **************************************************************************************
>>
>> Oh man - please don't spread that disease...
>
> ??
Since you seem to be puzzled by that response, let me spell it out for
ya: A lot of us really really don't like Google Groups, aka spam portal,
for several reasons:
1. It attracts a class of posters who think that these are discussion
groups that were set up by Google.
2. Google Groups is one of the biggest sources of spam on Usenet.
3. Their implementation is brain-damaged and broken. Their archives are
unreliable and often inaccessible (compared with the former Deja News
that they replaced), and their search function is a bad joke.
There are other reasons to hate them.
--
You were wrong, and I'm man enough to admit it.
- a Usenet "apology"
On 1/25/2010 6:10 AM Jeff P. spake thus:
> Well, thanks for the feedback. Nevermind, I guess. I appreciate all
> of you taking the time to offer an opinion.
Well, thanks for the offer (really), but you know what they say: if it
ain't broke, don't fix it.
--
You were wrong, and I'm man enough to admit it.
- a Usenet "apology"
On Jan 25, 1:05=A0am, [email protected] wrote:
> Hello all.
> Nobody here probably remembers me, however, I was quite active in
> rec.woodworking a few years back. =A0Unfortunately, Roadrunner went and
> discontinued their usenet access leaving me high and dry. =A0This seems
> to be the norm nowadays. =A0I started thinking that I really miss the
> wreck and would love to particpate again. =A0The problem is that it's a
> royal pain in the butt to access it anymore. =A0I managed to hook up
> with a free service but, I've got to say, usenet is showing it's age.
>
> What I'd like to to is to take down my woodworking site and change it
> over to a woodworking message board/forum. =A0I'd want it to be as free
> and open as the Wreck is. =A0There would be no ads and I'd keep graphics
> very light to make it easy on those with limited bandwidth. =A0This is
> totally on my dime. =A0I've already got the domain and I pay for the
> hosting with a few other sites that I have on my account. =A0I'd only do
> this if I thought there would be enough interest from you folks. After
> all, it's no fun throwing a party if nobody comes. =A0Well, the party's
> on me this time. =A0If there's enough interest I could have the site up
> in a very short order.
>
> Please comment here and let me know. =A0I'm particularilly interested in
> hearing from the old farts that have been hanging out in the Wreck
> since the beginning of recorded history!
>
> Thanks much,
> Jeff Picard
>
> You can check out my old woodworking site at:http://sawdustcentral.com
> (this would become the new forum)
>
> I also have a site devoted to odds and ends and silly stuff. =A0If
> you're interested you can check that out here:http://jeffpicard.com
>
> Please visit my website: =A0http://jeffpicard.com
"The problem is that it's a royal pain in the butt to access it
anymore. "
This is similar to asking the fellas at the buffalo log to start
meeting at your house because the drive is inconvenient for you.
On Jan 25, 8:26=A0am, GarageWoodworks <[email protected]>
wrote:
> On Jan 25, 1:05=A0am, [email protected] wrote:
>
>
>
> > Hello all.
> > Nobody here probably remembers me, however, I was quite active in
> > rec.woodworking a few years back. =A0Unfortunately, Roadrunner went and
> > discontinued their usenet access leaving me high and dry. =A0This seems
> > to be the norm nowadays. =A0I started thinking that I really miss the
> > wreck and would love to particpate again. =A0The problem is that it's a
> > royal pain in the butt to access it anymore. =A0I managed to hook up
> > with a free service but, I've got to say, usenet is showing it's age.
>
> > What I'd like to to is to take down my woodworking site and change it
> > over to a woodworking message board/forum. =A0I'd want it to be as free
> > and open as the Wreck is. =A0There would be no ads and I'd keep graphic=
s
> > very light to make it easy on those with limited bandwidth. =A0This is
> > totally on my dime. =A0I've already got the domain and I pay for the
> > hosting with a few other sites that I have on my account. =A0I'd only d=
o
> > this if I thought there would be enough interest from you folks. After
> > all, it's no fun throwing a party if nobody comes. =A0Well, the party's
> > on me this time. =A0If there's enough interest I could have the site up
> > in a very short order.
>
> > Please comment here and let me know. =A0I'm particularilly interested i=
n
> > hearing from the old farts that have been hanging out in the Wreck
> > since the beginning of recorded history!
>
> > Thanks much,
> > Jeff Picard
>
> > You can check out my old woodworking site at:http://sawdustcentral.com
> > (this would become the new forum)
>
> > I also have a site devoted to odds and ends and silly stuff. =A0If
> > you're interested you can check that out here:http://jeffpicard.com
>
> > Please visit my website: =A0http://jeffpicard.com
>
> "The problem is that it's a royal pain in the butt to access it
> anymore. "
>
> This is similar to asking the fellas at the buffalo log to start
> meeting at your house because the drive is inconvenient for you.
"buffalo lodge" not log. <snicker>
"Larry Jaques" <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>>
>>Do you have a free ISP? After that major expense or the hassle of going
>>to
>>a free ISP location, a very small fee of $3 per month for "the expensive"
>>news server service is all you need to remain here. Many news servers are
>>way way less expensive than $3 per month.
>
> If you're cheap, Giganews is $3 to sign up and free for use. Slow as
> hell, hard to get on during whatever happens to be the daily rush
> hour, but accessible otherwise.
Can you point me to the free after sign up information? I have been using
Giganews for several months now and pay $3 monthly. And I have not noticed
any thing slow...
On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 08:21:49 -0600, the infamous "Leon"
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>
>"Jeff P." <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:fc5578ed-44a5-4147-a308-67e6119041f8@l11g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
>On Jan 25, 6:03 am, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> RE: Subject
>>
>> Why re-invent the wheel.
>>
>> Lew
>
>Hi Lew,
>I guess because the wheel, in this case, isn't free! Newsgroup
>services cost money. Most message boards are free.
>
>
>Do you have a free ISP? After that major expense or the hassle of going to
>a free ISP location, a very small fee of $3 per month for "the expensive"
>news server service is all you need to remain here. Many news servers are
>way way less expensive than $3 per month.
If you're cheap, Giganews is $3 to sign up and free for use. Slow as
hell, hard to get on during whatever happens to be the daily rush
hour, but accessible otherwise.
---
"Some of us are wondering if we have created a monster."
Kevin Vranes, climate scientist, University of Colorado
talking about global warming hysteria, January, 2007.
On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 20:37:42 -0700, "Max" <[email protected]>
wrote:
><[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 05:56:27 -0800, Evodawg <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>Jeff P. wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Jan 25, 1:45 am, "Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote
>>>>>
>>>>> > Hello all.
>>>>> > Nobody here probably remembers me,
>>>>>
>>>>> Nope, I don't have a clue who you are.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So nice of you to make me feel so welcome Lee.
>>>Don't mind the ole farts. I mean you said it yourself,"ole farts". And you
>>>know how ole farts can be, arrogant, nasty, and stubborn asses. Like my
>>>sig says, you can lead an "old" horse to water but you can't make him
>>>drink. Also many here that don't remember you probably think this fits in
>>>the spam directory. Many here, have already tried woodworking forums and
>>>don't like the restrictions put on them. That Saw Mill Site comes to mind.
>>>Would rather have the freedom here of Off Topic and the occasional tilted
>>>vulgar humor. Try it at your own risk. Just my opinion and you know what
>>>they say about them....
>>
>> The biggest problem for these "outside" boards is that it simply means
>> that everyone has to follow two places, rather than one, to see all
>> conversations. Most questions have to be posted and answered in both
>> to make sure everybody gets them. It's just plain counter-productive
>> to have multiple places carrying mostly redundabnt posts.
>
>Besides that the "outside" boards might embarrass you by correcting your
>spelling.
If you are that easily embarassed, or even worry about such things,
maybe usenet is the wrong place for you.
On Jan 25, 9:12=A0am, "Jeff P." <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Jan 25, 6:03=A0am, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > RE: Subject
>
> > Why re-invent the wheel.
>
> > Lew
>
> Hi Lew,
> I guess because the wheel, in this case, isn't free! =A0Newsgroup
> services cost money. =A0Most message boards are free.
Google Groups is free.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.woodworking/topics
"Larry Jaques" <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> If you're cheap, Giganews is $3 to sign up and free for use. Slow as
> hell, hard to get on during whatever happens to be the daily rush
> hour, but accessible otherwise.
>
>
I've had Giganews for years now. I haven't had any of the problems you speak
of.
[email protected] wrote:
> Hello all.
> Nobody here probably remembers me, however, I was quite active in
> rec.woodworking a few years back. Unfortunately, Roadrunner went and
> discontinued their usenet access leaving me high and dry. This seems
> to be the norm nowadays. I started thinking that I really miss the
> wreck and would love to particpate again. The problem is that it's a
> royal pain in the butt to access it anymore. I managed to hook up
> with a free service but, I've got to say, usenet is showing it's age.
>
> What I'd like to to is to take down my woodworking site and change it
> over to a woodworking message board/forum. I'd want it to be as free
> and open as the Wreck is. There would be no ads and I'd keep graphics
> very light to make it easy on those with limited bandwidth. This is
> totally on my dime. I've already got the domain and I pay for the
> hosting with a few other sites that I have on my account. I'd only do
> this if I thought there would be enough interest from you folks. After
> all, it's no fun throwing a party if nobody comes. Well, the party's
> on me this time. If there's enough interest I could have the site up
> in a very short order.
>
> Please comment here and let me know. I'm particularilly interested in
> hearing from the old farts that have been hanging out in the Wreck
> since the beginning of recorded history!
>
> Thanks much,
> Jeff Picard
>
> You can check out my old woodworking site at:
> http://sawdustcentral.com
> (this would become the new forum)
>
> I also have a site devoted to odds and ends and silly stuff. If
> you're interested you can check that out here:
> http://jeffpicard.com
>
> Please visit my website: http://jeffpicard.com
Your fix is simple: Dump Verizon.
There is no requirement that the company that provides the physical wire
also be your ISP.
In our case, the wire belongs to Comcast and our ISP is Earthlink. Earthlink
provides Giganews at no additional cost.
"Michael Kenefick" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> SBC dropped news groups a year or two ago.
>
Acutally I was using SBC news groups till March last year. Perhaps that was
in your area.
"HeyBub" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In our case, the wire belongs to Comcast and our ISP is Earthlink.
> Earthlink provides Giganews at no additional cost.
>
Same setup I have.
"GarageWoodworks" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:9cc00d94-41ba-4a13-a47b-293ae12cdd1a@c34g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 25, 9:12 am, "Jeff P." <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Jan 25, 6:03 am, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > RE: Subject
>
> > Why re-invent the wheel.
>
> > Lew
>
> Hi Lew,
> I guess because the wheel, in this case, isn't free! Newsgroup
> services cost money. Most message boards are free.
Google Groups is free.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.woodworking/topics
**************************************************************************************
Oh man - please don't spread that disease...
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On 1/26/2010 12:02 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
> If you're cheap, Giganews is $3 to sign up and free for use. Slow as
> hell, hard to get on during whatever happens to be the daily rush
> hour, but accessible otherwise.
Been using Giganews for six years and have always been more than happy
with the service (also was a sysadmin for two nnttp servers in a
previous life, so appreciate the nuances of same and the way they do
their business.).
I do point Thunderbird to an ip address instead of "news.giganews.com",
so I don't have to deal with DNS issues, which some ISP's (like my
u-Verse home connection) seem to be having difficulty with lately. Might
want to try that and see if it helps.
In this case: 216.196.97.131 ...( which you may not see if you do an
nslookup since they do round robin).
Danger, of course, is if they change ip addresses in their zone file you
can't connect. So far that has never happened, but if so, simply go back
to the server name.
--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 10/22/08
KarlC@ (the obvious)
On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 22:00:32 -0800, Larry Jaques wrote:
>>I've yet to see a web based forum or message board that is as easy as
>>USENET to use. I can go through a bunch of newsgroups rather quickly as
>>opposed to going to a different web page for each topic.
>
> Precisely. Why don't message boards mimic the known efficiency of
> Usenet on a local server, fer chrissake? They're all so bloody slow and
> redundant. I haven't seen one yet where you could simply jump from one
> message to the next without going back to the forum and looking at the
> next subject, etc. Ghastly slow.
I wonder if some of the old Fido code is still around? That might do it.
--
Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw
On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 10:56:44 -0600, the infamous Larry Blanchard
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 22:00:32 -0800, Larry Jaques wrote:
>
>>>I've yet to see a web based forum or message board that is as easy as
>>>USENET to use. I can go through a bunch of newsgroups rather quickly as
>>>opposed to going to a different web page for each topic.
>>
>> Precisely. Why don't message boards mimic the known efficiency of
>> Usenet on a local server, fer chrissake? They're all so bloody slow and
>> redundant. I haven't seen one yet where you could simply jump from one
>> message to the next without going back to the forum and looking at the
>> next subject, etc. Ghastly slow.
>
>I wonder if some of the old Fido code is still around? That might do it.
RIME Rules, y'old farte!
---
"Some of us are wondering if we have created a monster."
Kevin Vranes, climate scientist, University of Colorado
talking about global warming hysteria, January, 2007.
On Jan 25, 1:45=A0am, "Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*[email protected]>
wrote:
> <[email protected]> wrote
>
> > Hello all.
> > Nobody here probably remembers me,
>
> Nope, I don't have a clue who you are.
>
So nice of you to make me feel so welcome Lee.
Steve wrote:
> On 2010-01-25 01:05:51 -0500, [email protected] said:
>
>> Unfortunately, Roadrunner went and
>> discontinued their usenet access leaving me high and dry.
>
> When RoadRunner stranded me, they provided newsgroup access through
> another provider, newshosting. Check with your local RR office -- see
> if you have the same access. The catch here is that you must access
> this provider from your home IP address -- tough luck for the road
> warriors.
>
Some places, sure, but, given enough time, all the broadband services will
eventually converge on some national standard of, say, 50Mbps.
We have Comcast. Originally, the service was touted as (usually) 1.5Mbps
down. I just ran a speed test and the thing is clocking at 29.8Mbps! Comcast
just keeps upping the speed without fanfare.
We also have AT&T DSL (as a backup) and use it for our VoIP phones (3). It's
not so hot for anything else inasmuch as its ~768Kbps.
On Jan 25, 6:03=A0am, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
> RE: Subject
>
> Why re-invent the wheel.
>
> Lew
Hi Lew,
I guess because the wheel, in this case, isn't free! Newsgroup
services cost money. Most message boards are free.
On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 07:57:18 -0600, the infamous "Leon"
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>
>"Larry Jaques" <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>>Do you have a free ISP? After that major expense or the hassle of going
>>>to
>>>a free ISP location, a very small fee of $3 per month for "the expensive"
>>>news server service is all you need to remain here. Many news servers are
>>>way way less expensive than $3 per month.
>>
>> If you're cheap, Giganews is $3 to sign up and free for use. Slow as
>> hell, hard to get on during whatever happens to be the daily rush
>> hour, but accessible otherwise.
>
>Can you point me to the free after sign up information? I have been using
>Giganews for several months now and pay $3 monthly. And I have not noticed
>any thing slow...
Oops, sorry. I meant to say TERAnews, not GIGA. I haven't used it for
awhile. I've been using Forte's APN at $2.95/mo for years.
---
"Some of us are wondering if we have created a monster."
Kevin Vranes, climate scientist, University of Colorado
talking about global warming hysteria, January, 2007.
Jeff try www.teranews.com. One time set up fee of $4. They do have
some down time once and a while. But they work well in mozilla
Thunderbird e-mail / news reader.
Also see www.owwm.org
Mike in Ohio
[email protected] wrote:
> Hello all.
> Nobody here probably remembers me, however, I was quite active in
> rec.woodworking a few years back. Unfortunately, Roadrunner went and
> discontinued their usenet access leaving me high and dry. This seems
> to be the norm nowadays. I started thinking that I really miss the
> wreck and would love to particpate again. The problem is that it's a
> royal pain in the butt to access it anymore. I managed to hook up
> with a free service but, I've got to say, usenet is showing it's age.
>
> What I'd like to to is to take down my woodworking site and change it
> over to a woodworking message board/forum. I'd want it to be as free
> and open as the Wreck is. There would be no ads and I'd keep graphics
> very light to make it easy on those with limited bandwidth. This is
> totally on my dime. I've already got the domain and I pay for the
> hosting with a few other sites that I have on my account. I'd only do
> this if I thought there would be enough interest from you folks. After
> all, it's no fun throwing a party if nobody comes. Well, the party's
> on me this time. If there's enough interest I could have the site up
> in a very short order.
>
> Please comment here and let me know. I'm particularilly interested in
> hearing from the old farts that have been hanging out in the Wreck
> since the beginning of recorded history!
>
> Thanks much,
> Jeff Picard
>
> You can check out my old woodworking site at:
> http://sawdustcentral.com
> (this would become the new forum)
>
> I also have a site devoted to odds and ends and silly stuff. If
> you're interested you can check that out here:
> http://jeffpicard.com
>
> Please visit my website: http://jeffpicard.com
On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 00:05:51 -0600, [email protected] wrote:
>What I'd like to to is to take down my woodworking site and change it
>over to a woodworking message board/forum. I'd want it to be as free
>and open as the Wreck is. There would be no ads and I'd keep graphics
>very light to make it easy on those with limited bandwidth. This is
>totally on my dime. I've already got the domain and I pay for the
>hosting with a few other sites that I have on my account. I'd only do
>this if I thought there would be enough interest from you folks. After
>all, it's no fun throwing a party if nobody comes. Well, the party's
>on me this time. If there's enough interest I could have the site up
>in a very short order.
I've yet to see a web based forum or message board that is as easy as
USENET to use. I can go through a bunch of newsgroups rather quickly
as opposed to going to a different web page for each topic.
Do as you please, but I'm 99.9% sure I won't visit. I use Giganews.
Jeff P. wrote:
> On Jan 25, 1:45 am, "Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*[email protected]>
> wrote:
>> <[email protected]> wrote
>>
>> > Hello all.
>> > Nobody here probably remembers me,
>>
>> Nope, I don't have a clue who you are.
>>
>
> So nice of you to make me feel so welcome Lee.
Don't mind the ole farts. I mean you said it yourself,"ole farts". And you
know how ole farts can be, arrogant, nasty, and stubborn asses. Like my
sig says, you can lead an "old" horse to water but you can't make him
drink. Also many here that don't remember you probably think this fits in
the spam directory. Many here, have already tried woodworking forums and
don't like the restrictions put on them. That Saw Mill Site comes to mind.
Would rather have the freedom here of Off Topic and the occasional tilted
vulgar humor. Try it at your own risk. Just my opinion and you know what
they say about them....
--
You can lead them to LINUX
but you can't make them THINK !
Mandriva 2010 using KDE 4.3
Website: www.rentmyhusband.biz
Jeff P. wrote:
...
> I guess because the wheel, in this case, isn't free! Newsgroup
> services cost money. Most message boards are free.
Several no-cost news servers out there--
news.aioe.org
news.eternal-september.org
are two...I've been using the eternal-september site for a while now.
Other than no abpw and a little short on retention no complaints.
--
On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 20:05:06 -0600, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 1/25/2010 5:15 PM, Steve wrote:
>
>> Yeah, RoadRunner kinda sucks, but so do most of these de facto
>> monopolies. Anyboody using AT&T's U-verse? That's my only other
>> realistic option, but the sales people had no clue what "usenet" was.
>
>At one time u-Verse customers were indeed allowed access SBCGlobal's
>nntp servers, although I understand the retention time was so short as
>to be not worth the effort.
>
>Don't know if they still allow access, or if anyone at u-verse can even
>spell nntp these days, but you may be able to ask here:
>
>http://utalk.att.com/utalk/
ATT stopped carrying newsgroups this past summer.
On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 11:00:59 -0600, "HeyBub" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Your fix is simple: Dump Verizon.
>
>There is no requirement that the company that provides the physical wire
>also be your ISP.
>
>In our case, the wire belongs to Comcast and our ISP is Earthlink. Earthlink
>provides Giganews at no additional cost.
>
Are you pleased with Earthlink service? I had them years ago on dialup, and the service was
terrible. Giganews as their usenet feed would be great, so maybe it is time to look at changing
ISP's again. My current Comcast ISP high speed rate is $45 plus I pay $10/month to Easynews for
25gigs/month of Usenet, a lot of which I never use. I've got over 500 gigs banked. Comcast
terminates service if you use over 250 gigs in a month.
On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 05:56:27 -0800, Evodawg <[email protected]> wrote:
>Jeff P. wrote:
>
>> On Jan 25, 1:45 am, "Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>> <[email protected]> wrote
>>>
>>> > Hello all.
>>> > Nobody here probably remembers me,
>>>
>>> Nope, I don't have a clue who you are.
>>>
>>
>> So nice of you to make me feel so welcome Lee.
>Don't mind the ole farts. I mean you said it yourself,"ole farts". And you
>know how ole farts can be, arrogant, nasty, and stubborn asses. Like my
>sig says, you can lead an "old" horse to water but you can't make him
>drink. Also many here that don't remember you probably think this fits in
>the spam directory. Many here, have already tried woodworking forums and
>don't like the restrictions put on them. That Saw Mill Site comes to mind.
>Would rather have the freedom here of Off Topic and the occasional tilted
>vulgar humor. Try it at your own risk. Just my opinion and you know what
>they say about them....
The biggest problem for these "outside" boards is that it simply means
that everyone has to follow two places, rather than one, to see all
conversations. Most questions have to be posted and answered in both
to make sure everybody gets them. It's just plain counter-productive
to have multiple places carrying mostly redundabnt posts.
On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 05:59:36 -0500, the infamous Ed Pawlowski
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 00:05:51 -0600, [email protected] wrote:
>
>
>
>>What I'd like to to is to take down my woodworking site and change it
>>over to a woodworking message board/forum. I'd want it to be as free
>>and open as the Wreck is. There would be no ads and I'd keep graphics
>>very light to make it easy on those with limited bandwidth. This is
>>totally on my dime. I've already got the domain and I pay for the
>>hosting with a few other sites that I have on my account. I'd only do
>>this if I thought there would be enough interest from you folks. After
>>all, it's no fun throwing a party if nobody comes. Well, the party's
>>on me this time. If there's enough interest I could have the site up
>>in a very short order.
>
>I've yet to see a web based forum or message board that is as easy as
>USENET to use. I can go through a bunch of newsgroups rather quickly
>as opposed to going to a different web page for each topic.
Precisely. Why don't message boards mimic the known efficiency of
Usenet on a local server, fer chrissake? They're all so bloody slow
and redundant. I haven't seen one yet where you could simply jump
from one message to the next without going back to the forum and
looking at the next subject, etc. Ghastly slow.
---
"Some of us are wondering if we have created a monster."
Kevin Vranes, climate scientist, University of Colorado
talking about global warming hysteria, January, 2007.
SBC dropped news groups a year or two ago.
Mike in Ohio
Swingman wrote:
> On 1/25/2010 5:15 PM, Steve wrote:
>
>> Yeah, RoadRunner kinda sucks, but so do most of these de facto
>> monopolies. Anyboody using AT&T's U-verse? That's my only other
>> realistic option, but the sales people had no clue what "usenet" was.
>
> At one time u-Verse customers were indeed allowed access SBCGlobal's
> nntp servers, although I understand the retention time was so short as
> to be not worth the effort.
>
> Don't know if they still allow access, or if anyone at u-verse can even
> spell nntp these days, but you may be able to ask here:
>
> http://utalk.att.com/utalk/
>
On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 08:21:49 -0600, "Leon" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>"Jeff P." <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:fc5578ed-44a5-4147-a308-67e6119041f8@l11g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
>On Jan 25, 6:03 am, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> RE: Subject
>>
>> Why re-invent the wheel.
>>
>> Lew
>
>Hi Lew,
>I guess because the wheel, in this case, isn't free! Newsgroup
>services cost money. Most message boards are free.
>
>
>Do you have a free ISP? After that major expense or the hassle of going to
>a free ISP location, a very small fee of $3 per month for "the expensive"
>news server service is all you need to remain here. Many news servers are
>way way less expensive than $3 per month.
>
There are quite a few free news servers if you only care about text
based groups such as this one, and not downloading porn.
On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 00:05:51 -0600, [email protected] wrote:
>Hello all.
>Nobody here probably remembers me, however, I was quite active in
>rec.woodworking a few years back. Unfortunately, Roadrunner went and
>discontinued their usenet access leaving me high and dry. This seems
>to be the norm nowadays. I started thinking that I really miss the
>wreck and would love to particpate again. The problem is that it's a
>royal pain in the butt to access it anymore. I managed to hook up
>with a free service but, I've got to say, usenet is showing it's age.
>
>What I'd like to to is to take down my woodworking site and change it
>over to a woodworking message board/forum. I'd want it to be as free
>and open as the Wreck is. There would be no ads and I'd keep graphics
>very light to make it easy on those with limited bandwidth. This is
>totally on my dime. I've already got the domain and I pay for the
>hosting with a few other sites that I have on my account. I'd only do
>this if I thought there would be enough interest from you folks. After
>all, it's no fun throwing a party if nobody comes. Well, the party's
>on me this time. If there's enough interest I could have the site up
>in a very short order.
>
>Please comment here and let me know. I'm particularilly interested in
>hearing from the old farts that have been hanging out in the Wreck
>since the beginning of recorded history!
>
>Thanks much,
>Jeff Picard
>
>You can check out my old woodworking site at:
>http://sawdustcentral.com
>(this would become the new forum)
>
>I also have a site devoted to odds and ends and silly stuff. If
>you're interested you can check that out here:
>http://jeffpicard.com
>
>Please visit my website: http://jeffpicard.com
Already there are hundreds of woodworking message boards. A lot of
folks dropped off after ISPs took down their Usenet servers. This
happened to me, a 20-year AT&T customer. Rec.woodworking is still
very active, the most active newsgroup I read.
If your ISP doesnot support Usenet, you can still read/post using the
free server
news.eternal-September.org
No sign-up fee, no billings, no nags, completely free. Of course, it
does not support binaries but in this case, that can be a good thing
in keeping performace high for something that is free. The AT&T
servers worked 99% of the time. The Eternal-September server works 97%
of the time.
On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 05:59:36 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> I've yet to see a web based forum or message board that is as easy as
> USENET to use. I can go through a bunch of newsgroups rather quickly as
> opposed to going to a different web page for each topic.
That's what I was going to say :-). I'm switching from dialup to cable
today, so I'll be searching for a news server as well. But I won't give
up on Usenet. Where else but the wreck could I keep up on the latest far
right fantasies :-).
--
Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw
On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 00:05:51 -0600, the infamous [email protected]
scrawled the following:
>Hello all.
>Nobody here probably remembers me, however, I was quite active in
>rec.woodworking a few years back. Unfortunately, Roadrunner went and
I remember you, Jeff. I just came back after a hiatus, too. Are you
back to harass the locals like I am? Great!
>discontinued their usenet access leaving me high and dry. This seems
>to be the norm nowadays. I started thinking that I really miss the
>wreck and would love to particpate again. The problem is that it's a
>royal pain in the butt to access it anymore. I managed to hook up
>with a free service but, I've got to say, usenet is showing it's age.
What, you don't like maturity?
>What I'd like to to is to take down my woodworking site and change it
>over to a woodworking message board/forum. I'd want it to be as free
>and open as the Wreck is. There would be no ads and I'd keep graphics
>very light to make it easy on those with limited bandwidth. This is
>totally on my dime. I've already got the domain and I pay for the
>hosting with a few other sites that I have on my account. I'd only do
>this if I thought there would be enough interest from you folks. After
>all, it's no fun throwing a party if nobody comes. Well, the party's
>on me this time. If there's enough interest I could have the site up
>in a very short order.
>
>Please comment here and let me know. I'm particularilly interested in
>hearing from the old farts that have been hanging out in the Wreck
>since the beginning of recorded history!
I might stop by, but the Wreck is the place for me. I still love
Usenet, despite the asshole trolls and the idiots who respond to them
daily. I filter maybe 65% of the bloody messages, but you can't geet
the diversity of opinion or breadth of wisdom on a local board that
you can here.
>Thanks much,
>Jeff Picard
>
>You can check out my old woodworking site at:
>http://sawdustcentral.com
>(this would become the new forum)
>
>I also have a site devoted to odds and ends and silly stuff. If
>you're interested you can check that out here:
>http://jeffpicard.com
>
>Please visit my website: http://jeffpicard.com
http://fwd4.me/Cme Love it! Diversity Project at school...<giggle>
---
"Some of us are wondering if we have created a monster."
Kevin Vranes, climate scientist, University of Colorado
talking about global warming hysteria, January, 2007.
On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 07:23:45 -0700, "Max" <[email protected]>
wrote:
><[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 20:37:42 -0700, "Max" <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>><[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>> On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 05:56:27 -0800, Evodawg <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Jeff P. wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jan 25, 1:45 am, "Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*[email protected]>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > Hello all.
>>>>>>> > Nobody here probably remembers me,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nope, I don't have a clue who you are.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So nice of you to make me feel so welcome Lee.
>>>>>Don't mind the ole farts. I mean you said it yourself,"ole farts". And
>>>>>you
>>>>>know how ole farts can be, arrogant, nasty, and stubborn asses. Like my
>>>>>sig says, you can lead an "old" horse to water but you can't make him
>>>>>drink. Also many here that don't remember you probably think this fits
>>>>>in
>>>>>the spam directory. Many here, have already tried woodworking forums and
>>>>>don't like the restrictions put on them. That Saw Mill Site comes to
>>>>>mind.
>>>>>Would rather have the freedom here of Off Topic and the occasional
>>>>>tilted
>>>>>vulgar humor. Try it at your own risk. Just my opinion and you know what
>>>>>they say about them....
>>>>
>>>> The biggest problem for these "outside" boards is that it simply means
>>>> that everyone has to follow two places, rather than one, to see all
>>>> conversations. Most questions have to be posted and answered in both
>>>> to make sure everybody gets them. It's just plain counter-productive
>>>> to have multiple places carrying mostly redundabnt posts.
>>>
>>>Besides that the "outside" boards might embarrass you by correcting your
>>>spelling.
>>
>> If you are that easily embarassed, or even worry about such things,
>> maybe usenet is the wrong place for you.
>
>
>Whooosh!! LOL
>
>Max (wouldn't miss it for anything)
Well, you missed it this time.
There was no "whooosh"
On 1/25/2010 5:15 PM, Steve wrote:
> Yeah, RoadRunner kinda sucks, but so do most of these de facto
> monopolies. Anyboody using AT&T's U-verse? That's my only other
> realistic option, but the sales people had no clue what "usenet" was.
At one time u-Verse customers were indeed allowed access SBCGlobal's
nntp servers, although I understand the retention time was so short as
to be not worth the effort.
Don't know if they still allow access, or if anyone at u-verse can even
spell nntp these days, but you may be able to ask here:
http://utalk.att.com/utalk/
--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 10/22/08
KarlC@ (the obvious)
"Jeff P." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:fc5578ed-44a5-4147-a308-67e6119041f8@l11g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 25, 6:03 am, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
> RE: Subject
>
> Why re-invent the wheel.
>
> Lew
Hi Lew,
I guess because the wheel, in this case, isn't free! Newsgroup
services cost money. Most message boards are free.
Do you have a free ISP? After that major expense or the hassle of going to
a free ISP location, a very small fee of $3 per month for "the expensive"
news server service is all you need to remain here. Many news servers are
way way less expensive than $3 per month.