did not know shellac is made from bugs
not sure i have ever used shellac but that was a surprise to learn
so now i can diy shellac by raising bugs
now i wonder if i can alter the final color by feeding the bugs flowers
or something
the lacquer used by many japanese artisans is from trees
that black they use is about the only finish that actually looks better than
the wood itself
On Friday, May 11, 2018 at 9:25:47 AM UTC-4, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> Rick the antique guy <[email protected]> writes:
> >On Thursday, May 10, 2018 at 1:54:42 PM UTC-4, Electric Comet wrote:
> >> did not know shellac is made from bugs
> >>=20
> >> not sure i have ever used shellac but that was a surprise to learn
> >>=20
> >> so now i can diy shellac by raising bugs
> >>=20
> >> now i wonder if i can alter the final color by feeding the bugs flowers
> >> or something
> >>=20
> >> the lacquer used by many japanese artisans is from trees=20
> >>=20
> >> that black they use is about the only finish that actually looks better t=
> >han
> >> the wood itself
> >
> >Yeah! i was surprised to; about that Shellac/ bug connection . It seems d=
> >ifferent beetles make different colors. So If you are a purist and get She=
> >llac flakes, You can get at least 5 distinct varieties in shades , then com=
> >es waxed and un-waxed, I haven=E2=80=99t done my research but =E2=80=9CWax=
> >ed=E2=80=9D is: they all have wax added to the Shellac ,who Knows what Bees=
> >, Carnauba What have You.
> >Then The alcohol Hoo-Do there is , Popular Methanol a Prohibition Fav. Cau=
> >se it's Poison, then Ethanol which is more like Booze and You may live thru=
> > that one.
> >Pure Grain Alcohol or the strongest proof like Everclear. Booze You will f=
> >ind is ironically some of the best cuts for shellac Flakes.
> >Drink up fellow Woodies and don=E2=80=99t forget to add the Bugs
> >R! Bo.
>
>
> Personally, I use optical grade Isopropyl Alcohol to dissolve my shellac.
>
> (I got a surplus 10gal drum from a former employer)
I must admit You scored big on 10 gal.'s of opyical grade Isopropyl
I have used Heat Isopropyl alchohol Automotive de-icer.
It works quite well For thinning, also I have used it to rejuvinate old shellac finishes
to break it down a bit and fill the scratches before French Polising
I also have used BEHLEN BEHKOL a great product but a bit pricey
but so are the flakes. So You get what You pay for.
Parks used to make a denatured alchohol that was mostly ethanol, like Behlen.
Cleanstrip and the other popular products are mostly metanol Poison stuff.
It gets into your pores,lungs and burns Your eyes just being around it.
If You look up de-natured You will find it was a product of the prohibition era.
Designed so people woukdn't make booze from ethanol which You can survive from when cut to 100 proof.
So a lot of folks died drinking it by ignorance and by our Government.
No mater how much You cut anything with metanol if You drink it You either go blind or die and painfully at that.
I had a friend who explained Japanese laquerware an ornate inayed black finish.
It seems like that stuff was also made from bugs.
Maybe we could put up bug zappers in the right locations and make our own new finishes.
Theyre's lot's of Bugs to experiment with, I hardly think they tried all of them yet.
rick B.
Electric Comet <[email protected]> on Thu, 10 May 2018
10:54:38 -0700 typed in rec.woodworking the following:
>
>did not know shellac is made from bugs
>
>not sure i have ever used shellac but that was a surprise to learn
>
>so now i can diy shellac by raising bugs
You have to raise the correct bugs, though.
>
>now i wonder if i can alter the final color by feeding the bugs flowers
>or something
>
>the lacquer used by many japanese artisans is from trees
Yep.
>
>that black they use is about the only finish that actually looks better than
>the wood itself
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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On Thursday, May 10, 2018 at 1:54:42 PM UTC-4, Electric Comet wrote:
> did not know shellac is made from bugs
>=20
> not sure i have ever used shellac but that was a surprise to learn
>=20
> so now i can diy shellac by raising bugs
>=20
> now i wonder if i can alter the final color by feeding the bugs flowers
> or something
>=20
> the lacquer used by many japanese artisans is from trees=20
>=20
> that black they use is about the only finish that actually looks better t=
han
> the wood itself
Yeah! i was surprised to; about that Shellac/ bug connection . It seems d=
ifferent beetles make different colors. So If you are a purist and get She=
llac flakes, You can get at least 5 distinct varieties in shades , then com=
es waxed and un-waxed, I haven=E2=80=99t done my research but =E2=80=9CWax=
ed=E2=80=9D is: they all have wax added to the Shellac ,who Knows what Bees=
, Carnauba What have You.
Then The alcohol Hoo-Do there is , Popular Methanol a Prohibition Fav. Cau=
se it's Poison, then Ethanol which is more like Booze and You may live thru=
that one.
Pure Grain Alcohol or the strongest proof like Everclear. Booze You will f=
ind is ironically some of the best cuts for shellac Flakes.
Drink up fellow Woodies and don=E2=80=99t forget to add the Bugs
R! Bo.
shiggins1 <[email protected]> on Sat, 19 May 2018 18:06:37 -0500 typed
in rec.woodworking the following:
>On 5/19/2018 11:40 AM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
>> Electric Comet <[email protected]> on Tue, 15 May 2018
>> 10:59:25 -0700 typed in rec.woodworking the following:
>>> On Thu, 10 May 2018 11:09:00 -0700
>>> pyotr filipivich <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> You have to raise the correct bugs, though.
>>>
>>> crazy
>>> now bugs even have to be correct
>>
>> Of course, incorrect bugs are not a feature, either.
>>>
>>>
>>> if i had to guess it would require many bugs and managing many bugs
>>> would be an entire operation to create the environment and all the
>>> other details
>>
>> Bug wrangling is not for the faint of heart. Nothing worse than a
>> bug stampede in the middle of the night.
>> Okay, maybe the bugboys playing harmonica all night while they
>> ride the night watch.
>>
>> tschus
>> pyotr
>>
>I woke one night from sleeping and looked up on the wall.
>The cooties and the bedbugs were playing baseball.
>The score stood 3-0. The cooties were ahead.
>The bedbugs hit a homerun and knocked me out of bed.
>I got the heebie jeebie blues. The heebie jeebie blues.
>I got the heebie jeebie heebie jeebie heebie jeebie blues.
>
>Sorry. A song from childhood.
Some times, that is the best kind.
--
pyotr filipivich
Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing?
>>>
>>> did not know shellac is made from bugs
>>>
>>
>> It's considered a food-safe coating, and is used as a
>> confectioners glaze (e.g. for Junior Mints).
>> And technically, it's made from bug secretions scraped from
>> a tree, not from the bugs themselves. c.f. silk worm.
>>
>
>What? Now you tell me. I have a pot cooking now of ants, mosquitoes and
>cock roaches. Thought it would boil and turn into shellac.
Black-fly season is here ... the finish would need to be -
reddish black
< my > blood + insect
John T.
On Friday, May 11, 2018 at 12:25:35 PM UTC-4, Rick the antique guy wrote:
> On Thursday, May 10, 2018 at 10:55:42 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
> > On Thu, 10 May 2018 21:11:14 -0400, Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > >On 5/10/2018 2:24 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> > >> Electric Comet <[email protected]> tried (and failed) to coherently state:
> > >>>
> > >>> did not know shellac is made from bugs
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >> It's considered a food-safe coating, and is used as a
> > >> confectioners glaze (e.g. for Junior Mints).
> > >>
> > >> And technically, it's made from bug secretions scraped from
> > >> a tree, not from the bugs themselves. c.f. silk worm.
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >What? Now you tell me. I have a pot cooking now of ants, mosquitoes and
> > >cock roaches. Thought it would boil and turn into shellac.
> >
> > No, but that's what they use to glaze Hostess CupCakes. ;-)
>
> Wow that's something once the Alchohol Evaporates it' no longer poison
> I heard the coat jelly beans too for the Shine. I wonder what ele the F.D.A. has approved for this stuff.
> rick B.
Here's the link about denatured Alchol and Prohibition
http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_examiner/2010/02/the_chemists_war.html
rick B.
On Thursday, May 10, 2018 at 10:55:42 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
> On Thu, 10 May 2018 21:11:14 -0400, Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >On 5/10/2018 2:24 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> >> Electric Comet <[email protected]> tried (and failed) to coherently state:
> >>>
> >>> did not know shellac is made from bugs
> >>>
> >>
> >> It's considered a food-safe coating, and is used as a
> >> confectioners glaze (e.g. for Junior Mints).
> >>
> >> And technically, it's made from bug secretions scraped from
> >> a tree, not from the bugs themselves. c.f. silk worm.
> >>
> >
> >
> >What? Now you tell me. I have a pot cooking now of ants, mosquitoes and
> >cock roaches. Thought it would boil and turn into shellac.
>
> No, but that's what they use to glaze Hostess CupCakes. ;-)
Wow that's something once the Alchohol Evaporates it' no longer poison
I heard the coat jelly beans too for the Shine. I wonder what ele the F.D.A. has approved for this stuff.
rick B.
On Saturday, May 19, 2018 at 7:06:40 PM UTC-4, shiggins1 wrote:
> On 5/19/2018 11:40 AM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
> > Electric Comet <[email protected]> on Tue, 15 May 2018
> > 10:59:25 -0700 typed in rec.woodworking the following:
> >> On Thu, 10 May 2018 11:09:00 -0700
> >> pyotr filipivich <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >>> You have to raise the correct bugs, though.
> >>
> >> crazy
> >> now bugs even have to be correct
> >
> > Of course, incorrect bugs are not a feature, either.
> >>
> >>
> >> if i had to guess it would require many bugs and managing many bugs
> >> would be an entire operation to create the environment and all the
> >> other details
> >
> > Bug wrangling is not for the faint of heart. Nothing worse than a
> > bug stampede in the middle of the night.
> > Okay, maybe the bugboys playing harmonica all night while they
> > ride the night watch.
> >
> > tschus
> > pyotr
> >
> I woke one night from sleeping and looked up on the wall.
> The cooties and the bedbugs were playing baseball.
> The score stood 3-0. The cooties were ahead.
> The bedbugs hit a homerun and knocked me out of bed.
> I got the heebie jeebie blues. The heebie jeebie blues.
> I got the heebie jeebie heebie jeebie heebie jeebie blues.
>
> Sorry. A song from childhood.
We sang this with my Dad while growing up and my kids grew up singing it
with me.
(Sung with an Irish melody)
Oh, McCarthy is dead and his brother don't know it,
His brother is dead and McCarthy don't know it.
The both of them dead in the very same bed,
And neither one knows that the other is dead.
Electric Comet <[email protected]> tried (and failed) to coherently state:
>
>did not know shellac is made from bugs
>
It's considered a food-safe coating, and is used as a
confectioners glaze (e.g. for Junior Mints).
And technically, it's made from bug secretions scraped from
a tree, not from the bugs themselves. c.f. silk worm.
Mark H <[email protected]> writes:
>I read a long time back that shellac was originally used to make M&Ms melt in your mouth not in your hand.
Urban legend. However, other candies did use shellac. See the straight dope
article.
On 5/10/2018 2:24 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> Electric Comet <[email protected]> tried (and failed) to coherently state:
>>
>> did not know shellac is made from bugs
>>
>
> It's considered a food-safe coating, and is used as a
> confectioners glaze (e.g. for Junior Mints).
>
> And technically, it's made from bug secretions scraped from
> a tree, not from the bugs themselves. c.f. silk worm.
>
What? Now you tell me. I have a pot cooking now of ants, mosquitoes and
cock roaches. Thought it would boil and turn into shellac.
On 5/11/2018 12:25 PM, Rick the antique guy wrote:
>>>> And technically, it's made from bug secretions scraped from
>>>> a tree, not from the bugs themselves. c.f. silk worm.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What? Now you tell me. I have a pot cooking now of ants, mosquitoes and
>>> cock roaches. Thought it would boil and turn into shellac.
>>
>> No, but that's what they use to glaze Hostess CupCakes. ;-)
>
> Wow that's something once the Alchohol Evaporates it' no longer poison
> I heard the coat jelly beans too for the Shine. I wonder what ele the F.D.A. has approved for this stuff.
> rick B.
>
Pills. Helps them slide down easier.
On Thu, 10 May 2018 21:11:14 -0400, Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 5/10/2018 2:24 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>> Electric Comet <[email protected]> tried (and failed) to coherently state:
>>>
>>> did not know shellac is made from bugs
>>>
>>
>> It's considered a food-safe coating, and is used as a
>> confectioners glaze (e.g. for Junior Mints).
>>
>> And technically, it's made from bug secretions scraped from
>> a tree, not from the bugs themselves. c.f. silk worm.
>>
>
>
>What? Now you tell me. I have a pot cooking now of ants, mosquitoes and
>cock roaches. Thought it would boil and turn into shellac.
No, but that's what they use to glaze Hostess CupCakes. ;-)
On Friday, May 11, 2018 at 9:25:47 AM UTC-4, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> Rick the antique guy <[email protected]> writes:
> >On Thursday, May 10, 2018 at 1:54:42 PM UTC-4, Electric Comet wrote:
> >> did not know shellac is made from bugs
> >>=20
> >> not sure i have ever used shellac but that was a surprise to learn
> >>=20
> >> so now i can diy shellac by raising bugs
> >>=20
> >> now i wonder if i can alter the final color by feeding the bugs flowers
> >> or something
> >>=20
> >> the lacquer used by many japanese artisans is from trees=20
> >>=20
> >> that black they use is about the only finish that actually looks better t=
> >han
> >> the wood itself
> >
> >Yeah! i was surprised to; about that Shellac/ bug connection . It seems d=
> >ifferent beetles make different colors. So If you are a purist and get She=
> >llac flakes, You can get at least 5 distinct varieties in shades , then com=
> >es waxed and un-waxed, I haven=E2=80=99t done my research but =E2=80=9CWax=
> >ed=E2=80=9D is: they all have wax added to the Shellac ,who Knows what Bees=
> >, Carnauba What have You.
> >Then The alcohol Hoo-Do there is , Popular Methanol a Prohibition Fav. Cau=
> >se it's Poison, then Ethanol which is more like Booze and You may live thru=
> > that one.
> >Pure Grain Alcohol or the strongest proof like Everclear. Booze You will f=
> >ind is ironically some of the best cuts for shellac Flakes.
> >Drink up fellow Woodies and don=E2=80=99t forget to add the Bugs
> >R! Bo.
>
>
> Personally, I use optical grade Isopropyl Alcohol to dissolve my shellac.
>
> (I got a surplus 10gal drum from a former employer)
I have used Heat isopropyl alchohol Automotive de-icer.
It works quite well and also I have used it to rejuvinate old shellac finishes to break it down a bit and fill the scratches before French Polising
I also have used BEHLEN BEHKOL a great product but a bit pricey
But so are the flakes so You get what You pay for.Parks used to make a denatured alchohol that was mostly ethanol, like Behlen.
Cleanstrip and the other popular products are mostly metanol Poison stuff.
It gets into your pores lungs and burns Your eyes just being around it.
If You look up de-natured You will find it was a product of the prohibition era. Designed so people woukdn't make booze from ethanol which You can survive from when cut to 100 proof. So a lot of folks died drinking it by ignorance and by our Government.
No mater how much You cut anything with metanol if You drink it You either go blind or die. and painfully at that.
I must admit You scored big on 100 gal.'s of opyical grade Isopropyl
I had a friend who explained Japanese laquerware an ornate inayed black finish. It seems like that stuff was also made from bugs.
Maybe we could put up bug zappers in the right locations and make our own.
Theyre's lot's of Bugs to experiment with, I dont think they tried all of them yet.
rick B.
On Fri, 11 May 2018 11:23:44 -0500, -MIKE- <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On 5/11/18 11:20 AM, Rick the antique guy wrote:
>> If You look up de-natured You will find it was a product of the prohibition era.
>> Designed so people woukdn't make booze from ethanol which You can survive from when cut to 100 proof.
>> So a lot of folks died drinking it by ignorance and by our Government.
>> No mater how much You cut anything with metanol if You drink it You either go blind or die and painfully at that.
>>
>>
>> rick B.
>>
>
>My car can run on E-85 ethanol.
>Do you know why it's called E-85?
>Because it's only 85% ethanol.
>The other 15% is gasoline.
>Do you know why 15%?
>Because at 10%, people would still drink it. :-)
You don't have to denature alcohol by adding poison, just something
that'll make you really sick. ...like alcohol of epicac. ;-)
On 5/11/18 11:20 AM, Rick the antique guy wrote:
> If You look up de-natured You will find it was a product of the prohibition era.
> Designed so people woukdn't make booze from ethanol which You can survive from when cut to 100 proof.
> So a lot of folks died drinking it by ignorance and by our Government.
> No mater how much You cut anything with metanol if You drink it You either go blind or die and painfully at that.
>
>
> rick B.
>
My car can run on E-85 ethanol.
Do you know why it's called E-85?
Because it's only 85% ethanol.
The other 15% is gasoline.
Do you know why 15%?
Because at 10%, people would still drink it. :-)
--
-MIKE-
"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
www.mikedrums.com
On Thu, 10 May 2018 11:09:00 -0700
pyotr filipivich <[email protected]> wrote:
> You have to raise the correct bugs, though.
crazy
now bugs even have to be correct
if i had to guess it would require many bugs and managing many bugs
would be an entire operation to create the environment and all the
other details
will just buy poly for now as it comes in can
and it has predictable properties
On 5/19/2018 11:40 AM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
> Electric Comet <[email protected]> on Tue, 15 May 2018
> 10:59:25 -0700 typed in rec.woodworking the following:
>> On Thu, 10 May 2018 11:09:00 -0700
>> pyotr filipivich <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> You have to raise the correct bugs, though.
>>
>> crazy
>> now bugs even have to be correct
>
> Of course, incorrect bugs are not a feature, either.
>>
>>
>> if i had to guess it would require many bugs and managing many bugs
>> would be an entire operation to create the environment and all the
>> other details
>
> Bug wrangling is not for the faint of heart. Nothing worse than a
> bug stampede in the middle of the night.
> Okay, maybe the bugboys playing harmonica all night while they
> ride the night watch.
>
> tschus
> pyotr
>
I woke one night from sleeping and looked up on the wall.
The cooties and the bedbugs were playing baseball.
The score stood 3-0. The cooties were ahead.
The bedbugs hit a homerun and knocked me out of bed.
I got the heebie jeebie blues. The heebie jeebie blues.
I got the heebie jeebie heebie jeebie heebie jeebie blues.
Sorry. A song from childhood.
Electric Comet <[email protected]> wrote in news:pdf75t$la1$1
@dont-email.me:
> On Thu, 10 May 2018 11:09:00 -0700
> pyotr filipivich <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> You have to raise the correct bugs, though.
>
> crazy
> now bugs even have to be correct
>
>
> if i had to guess it would require many bugs and managing many bugs
> would be an entire operation to create the environment and all the
> other details
>
>
> will just buy poly for now as it comes in can
> and it has predictable properties
Shellac in a can has predictable properties as well. Zinsser has two
varities available everywhere: Shellac and Seal Coat. The Seal Coat is
dewaxed shellac.
Puckdropper
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Rick the antique guy <[email protected]> writes:
>On Thursday, May 10, 2018 at 1:54:42 PM UTC-4, Electric Comet wrote:
>> did not know shellac is made from bugs
>>=20
>> not sure i have ever used shellac but that was a surprise to learn
>>=20
>> so now i can diy shellac by raising bugs
>>=20
>> now i wonder if i can alter the final color by feeding the bugs flowers
>> or something
>>=20
>> the lacquer used by many japanese artisans is from trees=20
>>=20
>> that black they use is about the only finish that actually looks better t=
>han
>> the wood itself
>
>Yeah! i was surprised to; about that Shellac/ bug connection . It seems d=
>ifferent beetles make different colors. So If you are a purist and get She=
>llac flakes, You can get at least 5 distinct varieties in shades , then com=
>es waxed and un-waxed, I haven=E2=80=99t done my research but =E2=80=9CWax=
>ed=E2=80=9D is: they all have wax added to the Shellac ,who Knows what Bees=
>, Carnauba What have You.
>Then The alcohol Hoo-Do there is , Popular Methanol a Prohibition Fav. Cau=
>se it's Poison, then Ethanol which is more like Booze and You may live thru=
> that one.
>Pure Grain Alcohol or the strongest proof like Everclear. Booze You will f=
>ind is ironically some of the best cuts for shellac Flakes.
>Drink up fellow Woodies and don=E2=80=99t forget to add the Bugs
>R! Bo.
Personally, I use optical grade Isopropyl Alcohol to dissolve my shellac.
(I got a surplus 10gal drum from a former employer)
Electric Comet <[email protected]> on Tue, 15 May 2018
10:59:25 -0700 typed in rec.woodworking the following:
>On Thu, 10 May 2018 11:09:00 -0700
>pyotr filipivich <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> You have to raise the correct bugs, though.
>
>crazy
>now bugs even have to be correct
Of course, incorrect bugs are not a feature, either.
>
>
>if i had to guess it would require many bugs and managing many bugs
>would be an entire operation to create the environment and all the
>other details
Bug wrangling is not for the faint of heart. Nothing worse than a
bug stampede in the middle of the night.
Okay, maybe the bugboys playing harmonica all night while they
ride the night watch.
tschus
pyotr
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