Magazines

On Thu, 8 Jan 2004 12:10:03 -0600, Rich Shepard wrote
(in message <[email protected]>):

> I've seen a few issues of Fine Woodworking and just subscribed. I have
> learned of at least two other woodworking magazines: American Woodworker and
> Woodworker's Journal.

I'll toss one more in here that while not strictly a woodworking magazine has
some nice woodworking/home improvement projects that always have me thinking
about ways to improve my house or shop. Reader's Digest publishes The Family
Handyman magazine. It's aim is towards the DIY homeowner, but they do on
occasions have a real winner project wise in the magazine...My favorite was
the cedar "shed" they built this past summer ... I have to figure out if my
homeowner's association will allow me to build this in the backyard next
summer (or whenever I can work up about 3K in building expenses). ;-)

<http://www.rd.com/familyhandyman/>

Wayne

Do A Google Search (DAGS) for "magazines":
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&group=rec.woodworking

But in a nutshell, there is a lot of cross-over as far as content (tool
reviews, how-tos, projects, etc). Some have a slant towards a certain area
(like FWW and ShopNotes), some have better tool reviews (less advertiser ass
kissing), some lean more toward the hobbyist (like Popular Woodworking), and
some distinguish themselves by just giving you more bang for the buck (like
Wood). Here are a few quick notes I tossed together (as I am in a hurry).

Fine Woodworking (http://www.finewoodworking.com/):
focuses on fine furniture building)

Woodsmith (http://www.woodsmith.com/):
no advertising, typically has one furniture project (usually with a
practical variation or two), a couple of related tips and techniques related
to the project (like details on making some of the joints used in the
project)

Workbench (http://www.workbenchmagazine.com):
workshop-oriented projects and other information

ShopNotes (http://www.shopnotes.com/):
no advertising, lots of tips and jigs for your workshop

Wood (http://www.woodmagazine.com/):
beefy mag, lots of info, projects, howtos, and ads

Popular Woodworking (http://www.popularwoodworking.com/):
more hobbyist-friendly

Woodworker's Journal (http://www.woodworkersjournal.com/):
similar to Wood but with much less content

American Woodworker (http://www.americanwoodworker.com/):
similar to Wood but with much less content


codepath




"Rich Shepard" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I've seen a few issues of Fine Woodworking and just subscribed. I have
> learned of at least two other woodworking magazines: American Woodworker
and
> Woodworker's Journal. This is not a flame-bait message asking which is
> "best". But, ... I would like to learn from your collective experience:
>
> -- What is the audience of each magazine?
> -- Which ones you have found useful, and why.
> -- What other magazines are currently being published on the subject, in
> the U.S.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rich

On Fri, 9 Jan 2004 09:17:13 -0800, Larry Blanchard
<[email protected]> wrote:


>Where ARE those Iraqi WMDs?

When George say it's there, it's there!
You can't blame him if the inspectors and soldiers can't find them.




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I like and subscribe to all three as well as Better Homes and Gardens "wood"
magazine.

The audience of all three is woodworkers.
--
Mike G.
[email protected]
Heirloom Woods
www.heirloom-woods.net
"Rich Shepard" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I've seen a few issues of Fine Woodworking and just subscribed. I have
> learned of at least two other woodworking magazines: American Woodworker
and
> Woodworker's Journal. This is not a flame-bait message asking which is
> "best". But, ... I would like to learn from your collective experience:
>
> -- What is the audience of each magazine?
> -- Which ones you have found useful, and why.
> -- What other magazines are currently being published on the subject, in
> the U.S.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rich

Rick Stein <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Rich Shepard wrote:
> Perhaps I've missed a post, but I haven't seen anyone mention "Woodwork"
> yet. For artistic inspiration, I think it's the best. Not much "how to"
> stuff, but a showcase for real talent.

Woodwork is an artists' magazine disguised as a woodworkers' magazine.
It showcases a lot of wasted talent.

Can you tell that I am a function over form kinda guy? Take a look at
the items at www.furnituresociety.org. I'm sure it took skill to
build them, but it takes a lot more skill to build a piece of
furniture that is both artistic and functional.

Dick Durbin

[email protected] (Dick Durbin) wrote:
...
> Woodwork is an artists' magazine disguised as a woodworkers' magazine.
> It showcases a lot of wasted talent.
Dick, I have almost every issue of Woodwork and while they have
a fair amount of artsy stuff, it also showcases some of the best
work from all over with good writing. They do a fair number of
step-by-step articles where the pictures demonstrate the production
and that's real nice. Doug Stowe is a frequent contributor too. ;p

That "artsy" stuff does cause a lot of consternation among
Woodworks' readers. It's definitely NOT my favorite content but
it is my favorite WW mag.

Cheers,
Gary

On Fri, 9 Jan 2004 09:17:13 -0800, Larry Blanchard
<[email protected]> brought forth from the murky depths:

>In article <TDpLb.3066$sv6.11454@attbi_s52>, [email protected]
>says...
>> Of course the economy is on the upgrade, aren't we re-electing a President?
>>
>Not if I can help it! I plan on voting early and often :-).

Ditto here, and never again for a Republican or Democrat.


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"David Babcock" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<TDpLb.3066$sv6.11454@attbi_s52>...
> Of course the economy is on the upgrade, aren't we re-electing a President?
>

If we have any sense - YES.

Dave Hall

On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 09:31:32 -0800, Larry Blanchard
<[email protected]> brought forth from the murky depths:

>I tried that too, but reluctantly came to the conclusion, often stated,
>that I was throwing away my vote. Now I just try to determine the lesser
>evil.

Sure, both the Reps and Dems want you to believe that. As
soon as you fail to believe it, they're all jobless and
out on their sorry don't-know-how-to-earn-a-living arses.

A vote is a vote and is never thrown away unless you FAIL
to vote it. As soon as you pantywaists grow enough balls
to toss out the idiots in power now, you (and we) will all
get the same crap they've been giving us. I mean that for
you ladies out there, too. (Tough love & equality.)

The 25% of us who voted for Perot in 1992 proved that these
*ssh*les really -can- be shaken up. Why do you suppose they
threatened him and made him look crazy(-ier than he really
was)?

Only when you get up the nerve to vote independent with us
will the United States of America have a chance to regain
its integrity. I pray (non-religiously) that happens in
November of this year!


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In article <[email protected]>, Larry Jaques
<novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> says...
> On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 09:31:32 -0800, Larry Blanchard
> <[email protected]> brought forth from the murky depths:
>
> >I tried that too, but reluctantly came to the conclusion, often stated,
> >that I was throwing away my vote. Now I just try to determine the lesser
> >evil.
>
> Sure, both the Reps and Dems want you to believe that. As
> soon as you fail to believe it, they're all jobless and
> out on their sorry don't-know-how-to-earn-a-living arses.
>
> A vote is a vote and is never thrown away unless you FAIL
> to vote it. As soon as you pantywaists grow enough balls
> to toss out the idiots in power now, you (and we) will all
> get the same crap they've been giving us. I mean that for
> you ladies out there, too. (Tough love & equality.)
>
> The 25% of us who voted for Perot in 1992 proved that these
> *ssh*les really -can- be shaken up. Why do you suppose they
> threatened him and made him look crazy(-ier than he really
> was)?
>

Yeah, assuring Clinton's victory was a really clear message.

Woodsmith and its sister mags, Shop Notes and Workbench are also quite
popular. Good projects and ideas for newbies and vets alike.

Woodsmith and Shop Notes have no ads _at all_!

Woodworkers Journal, now published by Rockler or at least affiliated with
them somehow, is good too.

I subscribe to all and now must leave to wait for the postman...The new
Woodsmith should be along soon.

DexAZ

"Rich Shepard" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I've seen a few issues of Fine Woodworking and just subscribed. I have
> learned of at least two other woodworking magazines: American Woodworker
and
> Woodworker's Journal. This is not a flame-bait message asking which is
> "best". But, ... I would like to learn from your collective experience:
>
> -- What is the audience of each magazine?
> -- Which ones you have found useful, and why.
> -- What other magazines are currently being published on the subject, in
> the U.S.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rich

Rich Shepard wrote:
> On 2004-01-08, codepath <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>Here are a few quick notes I tossed together (as I am in a hurry).
>
>
> Thank you very much! This is exactly the sort of insight I was seeking. I
> very much appreciate your time.
>
> I did find a google's worth of magazines, but have no way of knowing them
> nor the time to try to find out myself.
>
> Rich

Perhaps I've missed a post, but I haven't seen anyone mention "Woodwork"
yet. For artistic inspiration, I think it's the best. Not much "how to"
stuff, but a showcase for real talent.

Rick

If only he would drop that absurd amnesty bill he is pushing. When Bush was
talking I had Clintonesque flashbacks. I remember Bill saying, "It all
depends on what your definition of 'is' is." Bush basically did the same
thing with the definition of amnesty. I wish there was a "real Republican"
running, but he's it. He's better than any of the dwarfs from the
Democratic side. What I have to do is contact as many of my friends as I
can to contact representatives and senators and ask them to fight and defeat
this bill.

Glen


"David Hall" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "David Babcock" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:<TDpLb.3066$sv6.11454@attbi_s52>...
> > Of course the economy is on the upgrade, aren't we re-electing a
President?
> >
>
> If we have any sense - YES.
>
> Dave Hall

Boy, I wish!!! I'm a not intentionally retired, a down-sized cellular field
engineer. Now I can afford the mags but not the wood & tools. Oh well, the
economy is turning around...CNN just said so. (If I hear THAT one more
time)

In the meantime, if you know of anyone needing a few SC-4812 BTS units
installed & optimized or needing carrier adds etc, I'm your man.

For now, I'll read a few woodworking mags and dream about better times. And
then surf Monster.com et al to see what's shaking.

DexAZ


"Rich Shepard" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 2004-01-08, DexAZ <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Woodsmith and Shop Notes have no ads _at all_!
>
> Sometimes that's a drawback. I've found special interest magazine ads
> valuable for finding sources.
>
> > I subscribe to all and now must leave to wait for the postman...The new
> > Woodsmith should be along soon.
>
> Do I sense a retired man here? :-)
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rich

Of course the economy is on the upgrade, aren't we re-electing a President?

"DexAZ" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Boy, I wish!!! I'm a not intentionally retired, a down-sized cellular
field
> engineer. Now I can afford the mags but not the wood & tools. Oh well,
the
> economy is turning around...CNN just said so. (If I hear THAT one more
> time)
>
> In the meantime, if you know of anyone needing a few SC-4812 BTS units
> installed & optimized or needing carrier adds etc, I'm your man.
>
> For now, I'll read a few woodworking mags and dream about better times.
And
> then surf Monster.com et al to see what's shaking.
>
> DexAZ
>
>
> "Rich Shepard" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > On 2004-01-08, DexAZ <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > Woodsmith and Shop Notes have no ads _at all_!
> >
> > Sometimes that's a drawback. I've found special interest magazine ads
> > valuable for finding sources.
> >
> > > I subscribe to all and now must leave to wait for the postman...The
new
> > > Woodsmith should be along soon.
> >
> > Do I sense a retired man here? :-)
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Rich
>
>

God, I hope not.

--
If at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving

"David Babcock" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:TDpLb.3066$sv6.11454@attbi_s52...
> Of course the economy is on the upgrade, aren't we re-electing a
President?
>
> "DexAZ" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Boy, I wish!!! I'm a not intentionally retired, a down-sized cellular
> field
> > engineer. Now I can afford the mags but not the wood & tools. Oh well,
> the
> > economy is turning around...CNN just said so. (If I hear THAT one more
> > time)
> >
> > In the meantime, if you know of anyone needing a few SC-4812 BTS units
> > installed & optimized or needing carrier adds etc, I'm your man.
> >
> > For now, I'll read a few woodworking mags and dream about better times.
> And
> > then surf Monster.com et al to see what's shaking.
> >
> > DexAZ
> >
> >
> > "Rich Shepard" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > On 2004-01-08, DexAZ <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Woodsmith and Shop Notes have no ads _at all_!
> > >
> > > Sometimes that's a drawback. I've found special interest magazine
ads
> > > valuable for finding sources.
> > >
> > > > I subscribe to all and now must leave to wait for the postman...The
> new
> > > > Woodsmith should be along soon.
> > >
> > > Do I sense a retired man here? :-)
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Rich
> >
> >
>
>

On 8 Jan 2004 18:10:03 GMT, Rich Shepard
<[email protected]> wrote:

> I've seen a few issues of Fine Woodworking and just subscribed. I have
>learned of at least two other woodworking magazines: American Woodworker and
>Woodworker's Journal. This is not a flame-bait message asking which is
>"best". But, ... I would like to learn from your collective experience:
>
> -- What is the audience of each magazine?
> -- Which ones you have found useful, and why.
> -- What other magazines are currently being published on the subject, in
>the U.S.


I still get FWW because I have bought it since it came out. It was
better when it was still in black and white.

It used to contain examples of work that a man could aspire to.

I'm not so sanguine as to it's merits in that regard, these days.

I have little in the way of counsel as regards secondary wooddorking
sources, except to say, "love wooddorking and do as you will."

tom - who will prolly puke if he has to read one more butchered how-to
article by some dude who don't know dick - regardless of the venue.


thomas J. Watson - Cabinetmaker (ret.)
(Real Email is tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet)
http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/

In article <TDpLb.3066$sv6.11454@attbi_s52>, [email protected]
says...
> Of course the economy is on the upgrade, aren't we re-electing a President?
>
Not if I can help it! I plan on voting early and often :-).

--
Where ARE those Iraqi WMDs?

Dick Durbin <[email protected]> wrote:
: Rick Stein <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
:> Rich Shepard wrote:
:> Perhaps I've missed a post, but I haven't seen anyone mention "Woodwork"
:> yet. For artistic inspiration, I think it's the best. Not much "how to"
:> stuff, but a showcase for real talent.

: Woodwork is an artists' magazine disguised as a woodworkers' magazine.
: It showcases a lot of wasted talent.

Well, there are some items and articles that are artsy furniture, but most
of the magazine -- and i've been a subscriber for years -- has functional,
gorgeous stuff. I view the artsy stuff as a necessary evil, like the
every-three-years articles on how to tune a plane, align a tablesaw, build
a cutting board, etc. in other mags.

Another magazine well worth reading is Furniture and Cabinet Making, from
England.

-- Andy Barss

In article <[email protected]>, Larry Jaques
<novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> says...
> On Fri, 9 Jan 2004 09:17:13 -0800, Larry Blanchard
> <[email protected]> brought forth from the murky depths:
>
> >Not if I can help it! I plan on voting early and often :-).
>
> Ditto here, and never again for a Republican or Democrat.
>
I tried that too, but reluctantly came to the conclusion, often stated,
that I was throwing away my vote. Now I just try to determine the lesser
evil.

--
Where ARE those Iraqi WMDs?

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
>
>
> Yeah, assuring Clinton's victory was a really clear message.
>
And Nader gave those of the opposite leaning the opportunity of putting
up with Bush :-).

BTW, what I actually did in the last election was to participate in one
of those vote-swapping groups. That way the "message" is sent in those
states where it can't affect the outcome.

--
Where ARE those Iraqi WMDs?

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> Dick Durbin <[email protected]> wrote:
> : Rick Stein <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> :> Rich Shepard wrote:
> :> Perhaps I've missed a post, but I haven't seen anyone mention "Woodwork"
> :> yet. For artistic inspiration, I think it's the best. Not much "how to"
> :> stuff, but a showcase for real talent.
>
> : Woodwork is an artists' magazine disguised as a woodworkers' magazine.
> : It showcases a lot of wasted talent.
>
> Well, there are some items and articles that are artsy furniture, but most
> of the magazine -- and i've been a subscriber for years -- has functional,
> gorgeous stuff. I view the artsy stuff as a necessary evil, like the
> every-three-years articles on how to tune a plane, align a tablesaw, build
> a cutting board, etc. in other mags.
>
> Another magazine well worth reading is Furniture and Cabinet Making, from
> England.
>
> -- Andy Barss
>

Andy,

I've been considering subscribing to Woodwork but have been
somewhat reluctant because of the way-out stuff I've seen in some of the
copies I've bought. So, from what you've been seeing, that is not
really the norm?

"Rich Shepard" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I've seen a few issues of Fine Woodworking and just subscribed. I have
> learned of at least two other woodworking magazines: American Woodworker
and
> Woodworker's Journal. This is not a flame-bait message asking which is
> "best". But, ... I would like to learn from your collective experience:
>
> -- What is the audience of each magazine?
> -- Which ones you have found useful, and why.
> -- What other magazines are currently being published on the subject, in
> the U.S.

Other magazines would include "Wood". That is the one I subscribe to. I
find it very descriptive in a newbie type way - which is about my level.

In article <[email protected]>, codepath <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>But in a nutshell, there is a lot of cross-over as far as content (tool
>reviews, how-tos, projects, etc). Some have a slant towards a certain area
>(like FWW and ShopNotes), some have better tool reviews (less advertiser ass
>kissing), some lean more toward the hobbyist (like Popular Woodworking), and
>some distinguish themselves by just giving you more bang for the buck (like
>Wood). Here are a few quick notes I tossed together (as I am in a hurry).

Good synopsis. I'll intersperse my personal opinion.

>
>Fine Woodworking (http://www.finewoodworking.com/):
>focuses on fine furniture building)
>

I've been a subscriber for years and it seems to run hot and cold these
days. One issue will show a top notch veneering job and the next will
have a guy building a basic bookcase with biscuits. They seem to have
lost their focus.

>Woodsmith (http://www.woodsmith.com/):
>no advertising, typically has one furniture project (usually with a
>practical variation or two), a couple of related tips and techniques related
>to the project (like details on making some of the joints used in the
>project)

This was my favorite for years as I climbed up the learning curve.
Completely project oriented and generally using proper joinery - not
biscuits and pocket screws.

>ShopNotes (http://www.shopnotes.com/):
>no advertising, lots of tips and jigs for your workshop

I subscribed for a year then dropped it. There are a few basic jigs
that every shop needs (resaw fence, tablesaw sled, etc) but beyond that
it's building jigs for the sake of building jigs. You can get all the
jig making advice you really need from any of the mainstream
"generalized" magazines.

>
>Wood (http://www.woodmagazine.com/):
>beefy mag, lots of info, projects, howtos, and ads
>

The last time I really read Wood was about 10 years ago and it was
pretty basic stuff. Pukey ducks cut on a scrollsaw and screwed together
children's furniture. I've skimmed it at the newstand occasionally
since and it looks like it has improved.

>Popular Woodworking (http://www.popularwoodworking.com/):
>more hobbyist-friendly
>

This is my new favorite. For me it's the proper mix of hand and power
tool usage. The project articles are in the middle ground - not low end
Walmart quality screwed together stuff but not Philadelphia highboys
either. The three or four issues I've read so far have had some
original content - unlike most these days.

>
>American Woodworker (http://www.americanwoodworker.com/):
>similar to Wood but with much less content
>

This used to be a great magazine until a few years ago when Reader's
Digest took them over and dumbed it down. It used to occupy the
niche that Popular Woodworking now has. After the takeover they changed
their focus to building the kind of junk you can get at Walmart and
their tool reviews got incredibly shallow.

Right now I subscribe to Fine Woodworking and Popular Woodworking. If I
had to drop one it would be FWW. I have most of the FWW back issues,
which are a great reference but I'm not seeing much original
content anymore.

I just recently let Woodsmith lapse because I feel I've progressed
enough to design my own furniture and have gotten competent at all the
basic joinery. It's still the magazine I would recommend first to
someone with only a few years of woodworking under their belt.

--
Scott Post [email protected] http://home.insightbb.com/~sepost/

On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 08:24:07 -0700, gego <[email protected]> wrote:

>On Fri, 9 Jan 2004 09:17:13 -0800, Larry Blanchard
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>Where ARE those Iraqi WMDs?
>

There's an excellent article in the current "Atlantic Monthly", which
is not exactly a conservative mouthpiece, that explains why Saddam was
thought to have so much WMD capability.

It's a very well written article, worth the cover price of the
magazine by itself.

Barry

On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 13:57:38 GMT, "Bob G" <[email protected]>
wrote:


>I am retired and with all those issues of Woodsmith in the shop I will never
>be without a project...However I very very rarely build a project the way
>they do...I find some of
>their construction methods rather complicated and only marginally (if at
>all ) better then other methods...It is fun to play around with some of
>their methods, you learn a lot,

But al lot of their stuff is so, _ugly_. <G>

Barry

> I subscribe to all and now must leave to wait for the postman...The new
> > Woodsmith should be along soon.
>
> Do I sense a retired man here? :-)
>
=====================================
I started subscribing to both Woodsmith and Shopnotes from Issue number ONE
of each... I have every single issure of both "On File" in my shop. I
rate Woodsmith a 9.5 and Shopnotes a 3.5 on a scale of 10 for USEFULLNESS
in my shop....

I am retired and with all those issues of Woodsmith in the shop I will never
be without a project...However I very very rarely build a project the way
they do...I find some of
their construction methods rather complicated and only marginally (if at
all ) better then other methods...It is fun to play around with some of
their methods, you learn a lot,
but the shear number of projects I have "plans" ..lol... for just from this
one source is more then enouth to carry me thru my retirement... Which I
started 5 years ago...my HUGE supply of lumber that I stored for my
retirement is almost gone and I have had to putrchase more BUT I am not at a
loss for a project to build...

Bob Giffiths

"Rich Shepard" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
> I've seen a few issues of Fine Woodworking and just subscribed. I have

I'll agree with what the others's have said. Personally I do Fine
Woodworking (to see others build things I could never do) and Wood (to do
projects on my skill level).

I won't subscribe to any others - but will page thru them at the bookstore
and buy the occasional issue.

Some closing comments:
ShopNotes, as others have said, is entertaining for about a year, but then
wears thin. I don't really think I'll ever build my own lathe.

Workbench, has improved greatly in content, with the last few issues. I
won't continue the subscription but will peruse it in the future.

American Router - a new entry - I found to be very disappointing. Won't be
buying another issue.

"mttt" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Rich Shepard" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> >
>
> American Router - a new entry - I found to be very disappointing. Won't be
> buying another issue.
>
>
I agree on American Router. Very poorly written magazine. Very little
depth. One project called for some special hardware and they don't mention
where to get it.

Woodpecker

On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 09:31:32 -0800, Larry Blanchard
<[email protected]> wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>, Larry Jaques
><novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> says...
>> On Fri, 9 Jan 2004 09:17:13 -0800, Larry Blanchard
>> <[email protected]> brought forth from the murky depths:
>>
>> >Not if I can help it! I plan on voting early and often :-).
>>
>> Ditto here, and never again for a Republican or Democrat.
>>
>I tried that too, but reluctantly came to the conclusion, often stated,
>that I was throwing away my vote. Now I just try to determine the lesser
>evil.

It really is not throwing away your vote. If you feel that both
candidates are unfit, then voting for a third party candidate does
"send a message". If only a few do that, the message will not matter
much, but that is also true if you vote for one of the major parties.

A vote is a vote. If everyone who is dissatisfied with the major
parties voted for a third party, the major parties would respond.
Giving up and voting for a major party candidate is what they want you
to do and THAT is throwing away your vote, because it's not a vote for
what YOU want.



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On 2004-01-08, codepath <[email protected]> wrote:

> Here are a few quick notes I tossed together (as I am in a hurry).

Thank you very much! This is exactly the sort of insight I was seeking. I
very much appreciate your time.

I did find a google's worth of magazines, but have no way of knowing them
nor the time to try to find out myself.

Rich

On 2004-01-09, mttt <[email protected]> wrote:

> I'll agree with what the others's have said. Personally I do Fine
> Woodworking (to see others build things I could never do) and Wood (to do
> projects on my skill level).

Ah, more quality insight!

Many thanks,

Rich

On 2004-01-08, DexAZ <[email protected]> wrote:

> Woodsmith and Shop Notes have no ads _at all_!

Sometimes that's a drawback. I've found special interest magazine ads
valuable for finding sources.

> I subscribe to all and now must leave to wait for the postman...The new
> Woodsmith should be along soon.

Do I sense a retired man here? :-)

Thanks,

Rich

"David Babcock" wrote in message
> Of course the economy is on the upgrade, aren't we re-electing a
President?

http://www.newspeakdictionary.com/

You are being facetious, of course. From someone who is being run by three
businesses these days, this is _still_ the worst ecomonic climate I've seen
since the early 80's. The money is shiftng ever higher and to fewer and
fewer. I was talking to an insurance executive last week who was decrying
the proliferation of twenty somethings under her making "high six figures"
on commissions last year for "placing health insurance" ... "money that
should be staying in the system for health care costs" ... her words.

They can paint all the rosy pictures they want, but nothing good will come
from this topsy turvy nonsense ... Old George O hit the nail on the head
when he coined the concept of "newspeak".

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"David Babcock" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:TDpLb.3066$sv6.11454@attbi_s52...
> Of course the economy is on the upgrade, aren't we re-electing a
President?
>
> "DexAZ" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Boy, I wish!!! I'm a not intentionally retired, a down-sized cellular
> field
> > engineer. Now I can afford the mags but not the wood & tools. Oh well,
> the
> > economy is turning around...CNN just said so. (If I hear THAT one more
> > time)
> >
> > In the meantime, if you know of anyone needing a few SC-4812 BTS units
> > installed & optimized or needing carrier adds etc, I'm your man.
> >
> > For now, I'll read a few woodworking mags and dream about better times.
> And
> > then surf Monster.com et al to see what's shaking.
> >
> > DexAZ
> >
> >
> > "Rich Shepard" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > On 2004-01-08, DexAZ <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Woodsmith and Shop Notes have no ads _at all_!
> > >
> > > Sometimes that's a drawback. I've found special interest magazine
ads
> > > valuable for finding sources.
> > >
> > > > I subscribe to all and now must leave to wait for the postman...The
> new
> > > > Woodsmith should be along soon.
> > >
> > > Do I sense a retired man here? :-)
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Rich
> >
> >
>
>

Handyman Club of America's magazine "Handy" has construction articles too.
Joe kb8qlr

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