I Know we have been over this a few times, but I have a few technical
questions.
My basement is mostly finished and only space available is in the
"furnace room." What are the issues concerning the impact of dust on a
furnace and hot water heater. I alread know what happens when you get
tons of dust on the doorbell transformer..
My wife does ceramic stuff, so I figure the basement is a better place
than the garage!? She is going to want a furnace to fire the clay, and
eventually a sink possibly, and there is bathroom right next to furnace
room, and gas and electricity are available in basement.
The room is pretty small. probably 12' x 25' and has a furnace and hot
water heater, breaker panel, poured cement walls and cement floor,
bordered by metal frame wall to the living area.
I'm not a 'woodworker' but a dabbler. I already have a computer room as
thats my main hobby. In fact I tried to get rid of the table saw but
ended up buying a Miter saw instead.
Because fundamentally I am a dabbler and have many hobbies, I want to
put the shop in the basement. So im hoping for dust solutions as that
is the main problem I am seeing for a basement workshop.
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Thank you,
"Then said I, Wisdom [is] better than strength: nevertheless the poor
man's wisdom [is] despised, and his words are not heard." Ecclesiastes 9:16
>Garage vs. basement workshop
I had the same question of garage vs basement a few weeks ago - I
assume you looked at the archives? Some good responses with pros and
cons.
>So im hoping for dust solutions as that is the main problem I am seeing for a basement workshop.
You're planning to paint ceramics and do woodworking in the same
basement? Even if you have a dust collector, you can plan on at least
some dust spreading all over. An ambient air cleaner would probably
help some, but my advice is to have your shop area isolated as much as
possible from the rest of the basement, especially if your wife is
planning to do any painting, spraying finishes, etc. One thing that
was mentioned in response to my previous post was that you'll also want
to isolate yourself from the furnace air intake, as I'm sure you don't
want to be blowing sawdust all over the house.
My little shop (less than 100 sq ft) is currently in a basement, and
it's closed off from the rest of the basement (and the furnace). Chip
collection is handled by a shop vac with HEPA filter, and I have a
home-made ambient air cleaner, but a little dust still manages to get
out to the rest of the basement. Get the best (finest micron size) bag
or filter cartridge you can afford for a dust collector, and seal
yourself off from the ceramics finishing area as much as possible.
Good luck,
Andy
I do both in my basement. Different rooms, but adjacent with an open
door. Dust collection in the wood side is a must and yes it still
needs a good cleaning every other week or so depending on use. Sanding
is the biggest culprit and if I have a really big job of that I try to
move it outside. Wood dust getting on ceramic glaze is not an issue.
It burns off many hundred degrees earlier than the clay or glaze even
begine to think about fusing. The moisture can be an issue but if your
dabbling and not cabinet making it's probably not a big one. Also
depends on where you are. Here in Michigan the hot summer and frigid
winters left me with about two 3 month working seasons in an
uninsulated garage. Now I can work year round. Gas water heater and
furnace 10 feet from my shop were my biggest fear in moving down there
but really have not been an issue.
dnoyeB wrote:
> I Know we have been over this a few times, but I have a few technical
> questions.
>
> My basement is mostly finished and only space available is in the
> "furnace room." What are the issues concerning the impact of dust on a
> furnace and hot water heater. I alread know what happens when you get
> tons of dust on the doorbell transformer..
>
> My wife does ceramic stuff, so I figure the basement is a better place
> than the garage!? She is going to want a furnace to fire the clay, and
> eventually a sink possibly, and there is bathroom right next to furnace
> room, and gas and electricity are available in basement.
>
> The room is pretty small. probably 12' x 25' and has a furnace and hot
> water heater, breaker panel, poured cement walls and cement floor,
> bordered by metal frame wall to the living area.
>
> I'm not a 'woodworker' but a dabbler. I already have a computer room as
> thats my main hobby. In fact I tried to get rid of the table saw but
> ended up buying a Miter saw instead.
>
> Because fundamentally I am a dabbler and have many hobbies, I want to
> put the shop in the basement. So im hoping for dust solutions as that
> is the main problem I am seeing for a basement workshop.
>
>
> --
> Thank you,
>
>
>
> "Then said I, Wisdom [is] better than strength: nevertheless the poor
> man's wisdom [is] despised, and his words are not heard." Ecclesiastes 9:16
In article <[email protected]>, dnoyeB <[email protected]> wrote:
>I Know we have been over this a few times, but I have a few technical
>questions.
>
>My basement is mostly finished and only space available is in the
>"furnace room." What are the issues concerning the impact of dust on a
>furnace and hot water heater.
Combustible dust and any source of ignition is a bad combination. So is dust
and air handling equipment -- you don't want sawdust spread throughout the
house.
> I alread know what happens when you get
>tons of dust on the doorbell transformer..
>
>My wife does ceramic stuff, so I figure the basement is a better place
>than the garage!? She is going to want a furnace to fire the clay, and
>eventually a sink possibly, and there is bathroom right next to furnace
>room, and gas and electricity are available in basement.
I don't imagine airborne sawdust is going to do her ceramics any good.
>
>The room is pretty small. probably 12' x 25' and has a furnace and hot
>water heater, breaker panel, poured cement walls and cement floor,
>bordered by metal frame wall to the living area.
If you can erect a wall segregating the furnace and water heater from the
shop area, and still leave enough space for a decent shop, that might work.
>
>I'm not a 'woodworker' but a dabbler. I already have a computer room as
>thats my main hobby. In fact I tried to get rid of the table saw but
>ended up buying a Miter saw instead.
>
>Because fundamentally I am a dabbler and have many hobbies, I want to
>put the shop in the basement. So im hoping for dust solutions as that
>is the main problem I am seeing for a basement workshop.
Dust collection is a must. So is a separate air filter unit. (Delta and JET
both make good ones.) And keep the dust away from your furnace and water
heater.
--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)
It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.
I'm not convinced that dust is the major concern.
* Access to electrical panel. Does your garage have the
capacity? How about plumbing?
* Comfort. Can you heat/cool your garage where you can be
comfortable all year around, or will this have to be seasonal?
* Access. Can you move your machinery and material down the
stairs?
In my case the first two items were the deciding factor. It's
a major issue to move wood and metalworking machinery down
(and someday back up) the stairs. But it's a comfortable
and convenient environment, and easy to add to or reconfigure
as needed. Dust hasn't been a big issue for me.
dnoyeB wrote:
> I Know we have been over this a few times, but I have a few technical
> questions.
>
> My basement is mostly finished and only space available is in the
> "furnace room." What are the issues concerning the impact of dust on a
> furnace and hot water heater. I alread know what happens when you get
> tons of dust on the doorbell transformer..
[email protected] wrote:
> Call 1-800-445-4669 for assistance.
>
Dude, I can't just call a number. Simple advice on the ability of a
dust collector to collect enough dust to keep my house furnace and hot
water heater safe is what I am after. I probably should have asked the
question in much simpler fashion.
--
Thank you,
"Then said I, Wisdom [is] better than strength: nevertheless the poor
man's wisdom [is] despised, and his words are not heard." Ecclesiastes 9:16
On Thu, 23 Feb 2006 13:37:55 -0500, dnoyeB <[email protected]> wrote:
>I Know we have been over this a few times, but I have a few technical
>questions.
>
>My basement is mostly finished and only space available is in the
>"furnace room." What are the issues concerning the impact of dust on a
>furnace and hot water heater. I alread know what happens when you get
>tons of dust on the doorbell transformer..
>
>My wife does ceramic stuff, so I figure the basement is a better place
>than the garage!? She is going to want a furnace to fire the clay, and
>eventually a sink possibly, and there is bathroom right next to furnace
>room, and gas and electricity are available in basement.
>
>The room is pretty small. probably 12' x 25' and has a furnace and hot
>water heater, breaker panel, poured cement walls and cement floor,
>bordered by metal frame wall to the living area.
>
>I'm not a 'woodworker' but a dabbler. I already have a computer room as
>thats my main hobby. In fact I tried to get rid of the table saw but
>ended up buying a Miter saw instead.
>
>Because fundamentally I am a dabbler and have many hobbies, I want to
>put the shop in the basement. So im hoping for dust solutions as that
>is the main problem I am seeing for a basement workshop.
One of the things that the other responders have missed entirely is that
ceramics creates its own very fine dust. Sawdust pales in comparison.
Ceramic dust is not combustible but is finds it's way everywhere.
The other problem is moisture. Working with clay (yes I do have experience)
requires that the material be damp until the raw form has been completely
worked. Without going into the specific details of keeping things damp, let it
suffice to say that the moisture in the air is noticeable.
Then it is set to dry for a period before firing. Sometimes, the dry piece also
needs attention. That is done with scrapers and sometimes even sandpaper. This
makes for heavier dust that can actually be cleaned up with a dustpan and brush
before destroying a perfectly good Shop Vac.
Personally, I would never consider mixing mud and wood in the same shop space.
____________________
Bill Waller
New Eagle, PA
[email protected]