Mounted my PC 7518 in the Rousseau plate in my new router table. Already
see deflection on the outside edges when I place a straight edge along the
width of the plate. Im not sure if the plate was defective before I set it
up or not. Its been mouted with the router for 24 h.
I would return this thing but I already drilled it out for my router.
Think im gonna order a benchdoh aluminum plkate ($80.00). Should of gotten
it to begin with.
Well my Rousseau is a rectangle. It has 4 edges and 4 corners. So are
you saying that on the 12" long top of the plate has a dip but the
bottom 12" side does not have a dip? Well all of that should not have
happened if your 1.5" thick tabletop is flat and you routed it a
consistent depth. Next step would be to take out your calipers and
measure the plate where it rests in the routed section.
I did not notice and crown in my plate until someone mentioned it. It
routes fine. What more can ask? Of course my Bosch 1604 does not weigh
that much. My 1611 weighs over 13 lbs so I would guess the 1604 might
weigh 10 lbs.
Oh, take a picture. I do not have any clue what you are talking about.
"stoutman" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Hey LRod,
>
>Like I said in my OP "Already see deflection on the outside edges when I
>place a straight edge along the width of the plate" Not sure how else to
>get you to understand this problem. Let me spoon feed it to ya. Picture a
>square router plate. Now place a straight edge along the TOP of the plate
>near the edge. In the center of the straight edge you could place 2-3
>playing cards underneath. This could also be explained as "sagging downward
>toward the edges". How does that defy physics? This newsgroup is only
>accessed from Earth right? What physics do you have going on in your
>workshop?
>
>Yes I am aware of the crown, which as I understand it does not include
>sagging at the edges.
>
>"The Rousseau plate just does not sag from router weight."
>
>Ok, than LIKE I SAID TWICE BEFORE, maybe it was defective when I bought it.
>
>Should I take a picture of it with the straight edge on top and post it in
>ABPW? Or will you claim that my staright edge needs to be calibrated?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>"LRod" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On Sun, 06 Mar 2005 23:48:41 GMT, "stoutman" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>Like I said, not sure if it was defective before I set it up with my
>>>router. The plat is definitely has some curvature in the midle of the
>>>plate
>>>more towards the endges of the plate. It is sagging downward at the
>>>edges.
>>>Could of been that way before I set it up. I never put a straight edge
>>>against it until after it was supporting my router.
>>
>> Sagging downward at the edges? You mean sagging upward in the middle
>> where the weight of the router is? I think that defies the laws of
>> physics.
>>
>> Are you aware that the Rousseau is built with a slight crown to ensure
>> that the router bit is at the highest point in the plate. Drives some
>> people nuts, but makes perfect sense to me.
>>
>> Anyway, the physics defying phenomenon you describe sounds like the
>> inherent crown. The Rousseau plate just does not sag from router
>> weight.
>>
>> Once again, my offer stands...
>>
>> - -
>> LRod
>>
>> Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite
>>
>> Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999
>>
>> http://www.woodbutcher.net
>
For those of us who have light wallets and are also tightwads, consider
buying a plate and making it yourself. I have a metal fab place not
far from me that stocks all manner of metal and when they cut metal
plate on their shears - they are very accurate. Won't take long to
drill the holes. Bet you could build 2 plates for less than $25.
>It almost drove me nuts. I hated that crown.
You're not kidding!! I just did some sliding dovetails and it totally
screwed everything up for me. I can't tell you how pissed off I am
about this. Wish I had started with aluminum to begin with.
I'm going to try and flatten it in the mill end at work, but if that
doesn't work it goes in the garbage and I'll get an aluminum one to
replace it.
Mike
On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 00:29:37 GMT, "Al Reid" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Take the router off and remove the plate from the table. Lay a straight
>edge across it and see if it is warped.
>
>If it is, I would take it back and try to exchange it.
See my post elsewhere describing the slight crown that Rousseau builds
into their plates to ensure that the router bit is at the highest
point in the assembly.
- -
LRod
Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite
Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999
http://www.woodbutcher.net
"stoutman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Ah, ok.
>
> Let me try again. It's sagging NEAR the edges DOWNWARD. As you move from
> left to right or right to left, the sagging deminishes.
ah, sorta kinda lika square pie pan turned upside down.
"LRod" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sun, 06 Mar 2005 23:48:41 GMT, "stoutman" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Are you aware that the Rousseau is built with a slight crown to ensure
> that the router bit is at the highest point in the plate. Drives some
> people nuts, but makes perfect sense to me.
It almost drove me nuts. I hated that crown.
Darrell
Well, the router should be removed when not in use to prevent sag.
Your router motor is a heavy one. Removing it is easy as it just
screws out. The Rousseau plate is slightly convex to compensate for
the router weight, but not for continuous suspension.
On Sun, 06 Mar 2005 21:38:18 GMT, "stoutman" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Mounted my PC 7518 in the Rousseau plate in my new router table. Already
>see deflection on the outside edges when I place a straight edge along the
>width of the plate. Im not sure if the plate was defective before I set it
>up or not. Its been mouted with the router for 24 h.
>
>I would return this thing but I already drilled it out for my router.
>
>Think im gonna order a benchdoh aluminum plkate ($80.00). Should of gotten
>it to begin with.
>
Hey LRod,
Like I said in my OP "Already see deflection on the outside edges when I
place a straight edge along the width of the plate" Not sure how else to
get you to understand this problem. Let me spoon feed it to ya. Picture a
square router plate. Now place a straight edge along the TOP of the plate
near the edge. In the center of the straight edge you could place 2-3
playing cards underneath. This could also be explained as "sagging downward
toward the edges". How does that defy physics? This newsgroup is only
accessed from Earth right? What physics do you have going on in your
workshop?
Yes I am aware of the crown, which as I understand it does not include
sagging at the edges.
"The Rousseau plate just does not sag from router weight."
Ok, than LIKE I SAID TWICE BEFORE, maybe it was defective when I bought it.
Should I take a picture of it with the straight edge on top and post it in
ABPW? Or will you claim that my staright edge needs to be calibrated?
"LRod" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sun, 06 Mar 2005 23:48:41 GMT, "stoutman" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Like I said, not sure if it was defective before I set it up with my
>>router. The plat is definitely has some curvature in the midle of the
>>plate
>>more towards the endges of the plate. It is sagging downward at the
>>edges.
>>Could of been that way before I set it up. I never put a straight edge
>>against it until after it was supporting my router.
>
> Sagging downward at the edges? You mean sagging upward in the middle
> where the weight of the router is? I think that defies the laws of
> physics.
>
> Are you aware that the Rousseau is built with a slight crown to ensure
> that the router bit is at the highest point in the plate. Drives some
> people nuts, but makes perfect sense to me.
>
> Anyway, the physics defying phenomenon you describe sounds like the
> inherent crown. The Rousseau plate just does not sag from router
> weight.
>
> Once again, my offer stands...
>
> - -
> LRod
>
> Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite
>
> Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999
>
> http://www.woodbutcher.net
"stoutman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I think thats what i wil do for now, but I might put in an order for the
>woodpecker Al plate. Its just a little pricey $80, but it comes
>predrilled.
And worth every penny. You'll love it.
Darrell
On Sun, 06 Mar 2005 23:48:41 GMT, "stoutman" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Like I said, not sure if it was defective before I set it up with my
>router. The plat is definitely has some curvature in the midle of the plate
>more towards the endges of the plate. It is sagging downward at the edges.
>Could of been that way before I set it up. I never put a straight edge
>against it until after it was supporting my router.
Sagging downward at the edges? You mean sagging upward in the middle
where the weight of the router is? I think that defies the laws of
physics.
Are you aware that the Rousseau is built with a slight crown to ensure
that the router bit is at the highest point in the plate. Drives some
people nuts, but makes perfect sense to me.
Anyway, the physics defying phenomenon you describe sounds like the
inherent crown. The Rousseau plate just does not sag from router
weight.
Once again, my offer stands...
- -
LRod
Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite
Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999
http://www.woodbutcher.net
"stoutman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Thanks, Thats actually what I meant, woodpecker not benchdog. I think
> the saw dust is effecting my synapses. :)
>
>
Why, the Benchdog is a fine plate? What is important is the size since you
already made a cut out.
LRod you need to get out more often bud.
The router plate is bending Near the edges in a downward direction.
Believe it or not. I dont give a f--k.
"LRod" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 02:41:04 GMT, "stoutman" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Like I said in my OP "Already see deflection on the outside edges when I
>>place a straight edge along the width of the plate" Not sure how else to
>>get you to understand this problem. Let me spoon feed it to ya. Picture
>>a
>>square router plate. Now place a straight edge along the TOP of the plate
>>near the edge. In the center of the straight edge you could place 2-3
>>playing cards underneath. This could also be explained as "sagging
>>downward
>>toward the edges".
>
> I'm going to type this real slow so you have a chance of understanding
> it. What does the word "sag" mean to you? To most of the English
> speaking world it means to droop or be lower than the rest of
> whatever.
>
> Now, when you say sagging downward (redundant, by the way), and the
> article in question is supported by its edges (you did mount the plate
> by the edges, didn't you?) it can only sag in the middle. It cannot
> "sag downward toward the edges."
>
>>How does that defy physics?
>
> Because the insert is mounted by the edges, they, by definition, are
> not able to move. They are "mounted." The only parts that can move
> downward (sag) are the parts away from the edges. Sag downward toward
> the edges can only mean sag upward in the middle. Are you Australian?
> Maybe that's why your insert is sagging up.
>
>>This newsgroup is only accessed from Earth right? What physics
>>do you have going on in your workshop?
>
>>Yes I am aware of the crown, which as I understand it does not include
>>sagging at the edges.
>>
>>"The Rousseau plate just does not sag from router weight."
>>
>>Ok, than LIKE I SAID TWICE BEFORE, maybe it was defective when I bought
>>it.
>
>>Should I take a picture of it with the straight edge on top and post it in
>>ABPW? Or will you claim that my staright edge needs to be calibrated?
>
> Yes, I would very much like to see a fixed object (the edges) that
> sags.
>
> I have this feeling that we're in a separate but parallel
> conversation, but I keep rereading your descriptions and I just don't
> see how.
>
> By the way, I withdraw my offer. I don't want a router plate that sags
> up.
>
>
> - -
> LRod
>
> Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite
>
> Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999
>
> http://www.woodbutcher.net
"stoutman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Yeah your right it's a rectangle not a square.
>
> I'm not sure how else to 'dumb down' the explanation for this problem.
>
> Maybe there is someone out there that knows what I'm talking about (for
> the love of GOD I hope so...) that could explain it better.
Its the comment,
This could also be explained as "sagging downward
toward the edges", that is tough to understand.
I could easily understand/picture sagging downward AWAY from the edges.
Sagging downward TOWARDS the edges sounds like it is high in the middle.
Now that I think about it, pie pan analogy is not a good one.
Posted pics on ABPW.
"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:2v%[email protected]...
>
> "stoutman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Ah, ok.
>>
>> Let me try again. It's sagging NEAR the edges DOWNWARD. As you move
>> from left to right or right to left, the sagging deminishes.
>
> ah, sorta kinda lika square pie pan turned upside down.
>
Take the router off and remove the plate from the table. Lay a straight
edge across it and see if it is warped.
If it is, I would take it back and try to exchange it.
--
Al Reid
"stoutman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Should I bring it back? Not sure they will take it back now that I
drilled
> it out.
>
>
>
> "Al Reid" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:paNWd.91416$QS5.2040@trndny06...
> > "stoutman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> >> Mounted my PC 7518 in the Rousseau plate in my new router table.
Already
> >> see deflection on the outside edges when I place a straight edge along
> >> the
> >> width of the plate. Im not sure if the plate was defective before I
set
> > it
> >> up or not. Its been mouted with the router for 24 h.
> >>
> >> I would return this thing but I already drilled it out for my router.
> >>
> >> Think im gonna order a benchdoh aluminum plkate ($80.00). Should of
> > gotten
> >> it to begin with.
> >>
> >>
> >
> > My PC 7518 has been hanging under my Rousseau for about 6 months now and
> > no
> > signs of any deflection.
> >
> > --
> > Al Reid
> >
> >
>
>
Do you remember typing this ?
LRod: "You mean sagging upward in the middle where the weight of the router
is? "
How can you tell me its redundant ? When you yourself wrote it? I felt i
needed to spell everything out for you.
LRod: "Now, when you say sagging downward (redundant, by the way), "
The router plate is bending, flexing, curving, bowing, sagging (choose your
own) in a downward direction close to the left and right side, edge, of the
router plate. O my god, it cant be? I know this is really hard for you to
believe. My objective here is not to describe fictitious events and try and
see how many people I can lure in.
"LRod" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 02:41:04 GMT, "stoutman" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Like I said in my OP "Already see deflection on the outside edges when I
>>place a straight edge along the width of the plate" Not sure how else to
>>get you to understand this problem. Let me spoon feed it to ya. Picture
>>a
>>square router plate. Now place a straight edge along the TOP of the plate
>>near the edge. In the center of the straight edge you could place 2-3
>>playing cards underneath. This could also be explained as "sagging
>>downward
>>toward the edges".
>
> I'm going to type this real slow so you have a chance of understanding
> it. What does the word "sag" mean to you? To most of the English
> speaking world it means to droop or be lower than the rest of
> whatever.
>
> Now, when you say sagging downward (redundant, by the way), and the
> article in question is supported by its edges (you did mount the plate
> by the edges, didn't you?) it can only sag in the middle. It cannot
> "sag downward toward the edges."
>
>>How does that defy physics?
>
> Because the insert is mounted by the edges, they, by definition, are
> not able to move. They are "mounted." The only parts that can move
> downward (sag) are the parts away from the edges. Sag downward toward
> the edges can only mean sag upward in the middle. Are you Australian?
> Maybe that's why your insert is sagging up.
>
>>This newsgroup is only accessed from Earth right? What physics
>>do you have going on in your workshop?
>
>>Yes I am aware of the crown, which as I understand it does not include
>>sagging at the edges.
>>
>>"The Rousseau plate just does not sag from router weight."
>>
>>Ok, than LIKE I SAID TWICE BEFORE, maybe it was defective when I bought
>>it.
>
>>Should I take a picture of it with the straight edge on top and post it in
>>ABPW? Or will you claim that my staright edge needs to be calibrated?
>
> Yes, I would very much like to see a fixed object (the edges) that
> sags.
>
> I have this feeling that we're in a separate but parallel
> conversation, but I keep rereading your descriptions and I just don't
> see how.
>
> By the way, I withdraw my offer. I don't want a router plate that sags
> up.
>
>
> - -
> LRod
>
> Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite
>
> Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999
>
> http://www.woodbutcher.net
Should I bring it back? Not sure they will take it back now that I drilled
it out.
"Al Reid" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:paNWd.91416$QS5.2040@trndny06...
> "stoutman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Mounted my PC 7518 in the Rousseau plate in my new router table. Already
>> see deflection on the outside edges when I place a straight edge along
>> the
>> width of the plate. Im not sure if the plate was defective before I set
> it
>> up or not. Its been mouted with the router for 24 h.
>>
>> I would return this thing but I already drilled it out for my router.
>>
>> Think im gonna order a benchdoh aluminum plkate ($80.00). Should of
> gotten
>> it to begin with.
>>
>>
>
> My PC 7518 has been hanging under my Rousseau for about 6 months now and
> no
> signs of any deflection.
>
> --
> Al Reid
>
>
i take that back. I looked at it again and does sag along all lengths.
Just like a pie pan upside down. Maybe this is due to the crown that is
designed into the plate. I dont think I like that. Still glad i have the
woodpecker on order.
"stoutman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Kinda, but it only does it along two of the short lenghts. No sagging
> along the longer sides of the rectangle. I really think it has nothing to
> do with the weight of the router. I think it is deffective.
>
> If this is a property of the crown that is designed into the plate (which
> i dont think it is) than I wish I never bought this POS.
>
> It doesnt really matter anymore. I ordered the woodpecker Al plate. Im
> gonna use the other one to make jigs or a coaster or something :)
>
>
> "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:2v%[email protected]...
>>
>> "stoutman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> Ah, ok.
>>>
>>> Let me try again. It's sagging NEAR the edges DOWNWARD. As you move
>>> from left to right or right to left, the sagging deminishes.
>>
>> ah, sorta kinda lika square pie pan turned upside down.
>>
>
>
I think thats what i wil do for now, but I might put in an order for the
woodpecker Al plate. Its just a little pricey $80, but it comes predrilled.
"Phisherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Well, the router should be removed when not in use to prevent sag.
> Your router motor is a heavy one. Removing it is easy as it just
> screws out. The Rousseau plate is slightly convex to compensate for
> the router weight, but not for continuous suspension.
>
> On Sun, 06 Mar 2005 21:38:18 GMT, "stoutman" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Mounted my PC 7518 in the Rousseau plate in my new router table. Already
>>see deflection on the outside edges when I place a straight edge along the
>>width of the plate. Im not sure if the plate was defective before I set
>>it
>>up or not. Its been mouted with the router for 24 h.
>>
>>I would return this thing but I already drilled it out for my router.
>>
>>Think im gonna order a benchdoh aluminum plkate ($80.00). Should of
>>gotten
>>it to begin with.
>>
>
On Sun, 06 Mar 2005 21:38:18 GMT, "stoutman" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Mounted my PC 7518 in the Rousseau plate in my new router table. Already
>see deflection on the outside edges when I place a straight edge along the
>width of the plate. Im not sure if the plate was defective before I set it
>up or not. Its been mouted with the router for 24 h.
I don't think you're seeing plate deflection. When I put my router
table in storage I left my M12V hanging on the Rousseau in the table.
There wasn't a scintilla of deflection when I took it out. So you say
the M12V is no 7518? Okay, I'll give you that. The table was in
storage for FIVE YEARS. I am unconvinced you're seeing plate
deflection in less than, what, 24 hours? 48 at the outside? Uh-uh.
>I would return this thing but I already drilled it out for my router.
My offer from before still stands:
Send it to me. I love my Rousseaus. No reason not to have another one,
even though it's been defaced, reducing its sale value to zero.
- -
LRod
Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite
Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999
http://www.woodbutcher.net
On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 02:41:04 GMT, "stoutman" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Like I said in my OP "Already see deflection on the outside edges when I
>place a straight edge along the width of the plate" Not sure how else to
>get you to understand this problem. Let me spoon feed it to ya. Picture a
>square router plate. Now place a straight edge along the TOP of the plate
>near the edge. In the center of the straight edge you could place 2-3
>playing cards underneath. This could also be explained as "sagging downward
>toward the edges".
I'm going to type this real slow so you have a chance of understanding
it. What does the word "sag" mean to you? To most of the English
speaking world it means to droop or be lower than the rest of
whatever.
Now, when you say sagging downward (redundant, by the way), and the
article in question is supported by its edges (you did mount the plate
by the edges, didn't you?) it can only sag in the middle. It cannot
"sag downward toward the edges."
>How does that defy physics?
Because the insert is mounted by the edges, they, by definition, are
not able to move. They are "mounted." The only parts that can move
downward (sag) are the parts away from the edges. Sag downward toward
the edges can only mean sag upward in the middle. Are you Australian?
Maybe that's why your insert is sagging up.
>This newsgroup is only accessed from Earth right? What physics
>do you have going on in your workshop?
>Yes I am aware of the crown, which as I understand it does not include
>sagging at the edges.
>
>"The Rousseau plate just does not sag from router weight."
>
>Ok, than LIKE I SAID TWICE BEFORE, maybe it was defective when I bought it.
>Should I take a picture of it with the straight edge on top and post it in
>ABPW? Or will you claim that my staright edge needs to be calibrated?
Yes, I would very much like to see a fixed object (the edges) that
sags.
I have this feeling that we're in a separate but parallel
conversation, but I keep rereading your descriptions and I just don't
see how.
By the way, I withdraw my offer. I don't want a router plate that sags
up.
- -
LRod
Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite
Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999
http://www.woodbutcher.net
"stoutman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Mounted my PC 7518 in the Rousseau plate in my new router table. Already
> see deflection on the outside edges when I place a straight edge along the
> width of the plate. Im not sure if the plate was defective before I set
> it up or not. Its been mouted with the router for 24 h.
>
> I would return this thing but I already drilled it out for my router.
>
> Think im gonna order a benchdoh aluminum plkate ($80.00). Should of
> gotten it to begin with.
How would have known it would warp or bow had you not hung the router on it.
Take it back.
"LRod" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Are you aware that the Rousseau is built with a slight crown to ensure
> that the router bit is at the highest point in the plate. Drives some
> people nuts, but makes perfect sense to me.
>
Seems that you would end up with stepped tennons if you had to make more
than 1 pass and moved the fence. And, if the plate bows up, how much
trouble is it to insure that when you bolt it up to the router that the bit
is perpendicular to the fence? I just replaced an old 3/8" thick Lexan
plate that a Bosch 1611 had been hanging from for about 3 years. I retired
the Big Bosch and mounted a Triton on the opposite side. 8 months later the
plate sags enough that a folded piece of 20# paper easily slides under a
straight edge. I had not noticed the sag until I started seeing stepped
tennons. How much does the Rousseau bow up?
"stoutman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Should I bring it back? Not sure they will take it back now that I
> drilled it out.
Drilling it is a requirement and you would not see a warp until the weight
is applied and used. It would be hard to test it with out mounting the
router. They should have no problem with exchanging for another one.
"stoutman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Mounted my PC 7518 in the Rousseau plate in my new router table. Already
> see deflection on the outside edges when I place a straight edge along the
> width of the plate. Im not sure if the plate was defective before I set
it
> up or not. Its been mouted with the router for 24 h.
>
> I would return this thing but I already drilled it out for my router.
>
> Think im gonna order a benchdoh aluminum plkate ($80.00). Should of
gotten
> it to begin with.
>
>
My PC 7518 has been hanging under my Rousseau for about 6 months now and no
signs of any deflection.
--
Al Reid
Kinda, but it only does it along two of the short lenghts. No sagging along
the longer sides of the rectangle. I really think it has nothing to do with
the weight of the router. I think it is deffective.
If this is a property of the crown that is designed into the plate (which i
dont think it is) than I wish I never bought this POS.
It doesnt really matter anymore. I ordered the woodpecker Al plate. Im
gonna use the other one to make jigs or a coaster or something :)
"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:2v%[email protected]...
>
> "stoutman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Ah, ok.
>>
>> Let me try again. It's sagging NEAR the edges DOWNWARD. As you move
>> from left to right or right to left, the sagging deminishes.
>
> ah, sorta kinda lika square pie pan turned upside down.
>
Thanks, Thats actually what I meant, woodpecker not benchdog. I think the
saw dust is effecting my synapses. :)
"butch" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Check out the woodpecker plate - it is 3/8" AL plate.
>
Like I said, not sure if it was defective before I set it up with my
router. The plat is definitely has some curvature in the midle of the plate
more towards the endges of the plate. It is sagging downward at the edges.
Could of been that way before I set it up. I never put a straight edge
against it until after it was supporting my router.
"LRod" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 06 Mar 2005 21:38:18 GMT, "stoutman" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Mounted my PC 7518 in the Rousseau plate in my new router table. Already
>>see deflection on the outside edges when I place a straight edge along the
>>width of the plate. Im not sure if the plate was defective before I set
>>it
>>up or not. Its been mouted with the router for 24 h.
>
> I don't think you're seeing plate deflection. When I put my router
> table in storage I left my M12V hanging on the Rousseau in the table.
> There wasn't a scintilla of deflection when I took it out. So you say
> the M12V is no 7518? Okay, I'll give you that. The table was in
> storage for FIVE YEARS. I am unconvinced you're seeing plate
> deflection in less than, what, 24 hours? 48 at the outside? Uh-uh.
>
>>I would return this thing but I already drilled it out for my router.
>
> My offer from before still stands:
>
> Send it to me. I love my Rousseaus. No reason not to have another one,
> even though it's been defaced, reducing its sale value to zero.
>
>
> - -
> LRod
>
> Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite
>
> Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999
>
> http://www.woodbutcher.net
Ah, ok.
Let me try again. It's sagging NEAR the edges DOWNWARD. As you move from
left to right or right to left, the sagging deminishes.
"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "stoutman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Yeah your right it's a rectangle not a square.
>>
>> I'm not sure how else to 'dumb down' the explanation for this problem.
>>
>> Maybe there is someone out there that knows what I'm talking about (for
>> the love of GOD I hope so...) that could explain it better.
>
>
> Its the comment,
>
> This could also be explained as "sagging downward
> toward the edges", that is tough to understand.
>
> I could easily understand/picture sagging downward AWAY from the edges.
> Sagging downward TOWARDS the edges sounds like it is high in the middle.
>
>
>
Yeah your right it's a rectangle not a square.
I'm not sure how else to 'dumb down' the explanation for this problem.
Maybe there is someone out there that knows what I'm talking about (for the
love of GOD I hope so...) that could explain it better.
I give up... I ordered the woodpecker tonight ($80 + $45 in the hole).
"Jim Behning" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Well my Rousseau is a rectangle. It has 4 edges and 4 corners. So are
> you saying that on the 12" long top of the plate has a dip but the
> bottom 12" side does not have a dip? Well all of that should not have
> happened if your 1.5" thick tabletop is flat and you routed it a
> consistent depth. Next step would be to take out your calipers and
> measure the plate where it rests in the routed section.
>
> I did not notice and crown in my plate until someone mentioned it. It
> routes fine. What more can ask? Of course my Bosch 1604 does not weigh
> that much. My 1611 weighs over 13 lbs so I would guess the 1604 might
> weigh 10 lbs.
>
> Oh, take a picture. I do not have any clue what you are talking about.
>
> "stoutman" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Hey LRod,
>>
>>Like I said in my OP "Already see deflection on the outside edges when I
>>place a straight edge along the width of the plate" Not sure how else to
>>get you to understand this problem. Let me spoon feed it to ya. Picture
>>a
>>square router plate. Now place a straight edge along the TOP of the plate
>>near the edge. In the center of the straight edge you could place 2-3
>>playing cards underneath. This could also be explained as "sagging
>>downward
>>toward the edges". How does that defy physics? This newsgroup is only
>>accessed from Earth right? What physics do you have going on in your
>>workshop?
>>
>>Yes I am aware of the crown, which as I understand it does not include
>>sagging at the edges.
>>
>>"The Rousseau plate just does not sag from router weight."
>>
>>Ok, than LIKE I SAID TWICE BEFORE, maybe it was defective when I bought
>>it.
>>
>>Should I take a picture of it with the straight edge on top and post it in
>>ABPW? Or will you claim that my staright edge needs to be calibrated?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>"LRod" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>> On Sun, 06 Mar 2005 23:48:41 GMT, "stoutman" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Like I said, not sure if it was defective before I set it up with my
>>>>router. The plat is definitely has some curvature in the midle of the
>>>>plate
>>>>more towards the endges of the plate. It is sagging downward at the
>>>>edges.
>>>>Could of been that way before I set it up. I never put a straight edge
>>>>against it until after it was supporting my router.
>>>
>>> Sagging downward at the edges? You mean sagging upward in the middle
>>> where the weight of the router is? I think that defies the laws of
>>> physics.
>>>
>>> Are you aware that the Rousseau is built with a slight crown to ensure
>>> that the router bit is at the highest point in the plate. Drives some
>>> people nuts, but makes perfect sense to me.
>>>
>>> Anyway, the physics defying phenomenon you describe sounds like the
>>> inherent crown. The Rousseau plate just does not sag from router
>>> weight.
>>>
>>> Once again, my offer stands...
>>>
>>> - -
>>> LRod
>>>
>>> Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite
>>>
>>> Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999
>>>
>>> http://www.woodbutcher.net
>>
>