Martin Eastburn <[email protected]> wrote:
>There are TV shows and large businesses doing that every day.
>
>What lake ? Superior YES.
>
>Swamps in the south - YES.
>Any lake that had barges and trains of barges have logs all over.
>They are getting fewer but there are plenty.
Shelby Stanga - swamp logger
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMbYPZXEb8I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-M1ihjpNJUE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KFPxSyTkXU
On Tuesday, May 24, 2016 at 11:19:39 PM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> I watched a documentary about how Steinway pianos are built. If you
> happened to have a gig at Carnegie Hall you could choose the instrument
> you want to play. They were all built to be identical but the musicians
> heard the differences that I could not.
FWIW, if you were watching the documentary on TV or (even worse) via the
internet, I doubt you (or anyone else) would have been able to discern
the types of subtle differences being discussed in this thread - especially
between identically built Steinways.
Don't sell yourself short. Perhaps had you been in the hall or a studio, you
too would have been able to hear the differences.
> This is on topic as they use a lot of wood in those things. Interesting
> to see the process.
On 5/26/2016 5:36 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
> When you refer to "monster cable bs" and say that the article is like
> "monster cable bs", you are pretty much admitting that the article is
> right because monster cable is BS.
Only if you've confused the syntax difference between my "monster cable
BS", versus your "monster cable _is_ BS".
The argument about how Monster cable _sounds_ is arguably the BS part
... just like with the Strad. In that regard, beauty is in the eye of
the beholder, as it always is.
And your confusion leaves out the unarguable fact that Monster cable is
(or has been) a well made product with redeeming qualities other than
it's individually, and subjectively perceived _sound_.
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On 5/23/2016 11:21 AM, notbob wrote:
> On 2016-05-23, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>> and some of the chemicals found, that are not found in wood, during
>> analysis of the wood could have been done by "aqueous" treatments.
>
> ....or merely the finish on those violins. One "stradi" freak
> explored only varnishes/finishes, fer yrs/decades, trying to find the
> "secret".
Varnishes of that period were oil/resin based; and the adjective
"aqueous" was purposely used, both in my reply to stay on topic, and in
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On 5/26/2016 9:01 AM, Jack wrote:
> Even if I did, my opinion would be irrelevant,
Finally ... you got the point.
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On 5/24/2016 6:29 PM, Jack wrote:
> On 5/24/2016 10:32 AM, Swingman wrote:
>> On 5/24/2016 8:44 AM, Jack wrote:
>>
>>> just like those that think they can differentiate the sound of a Strad
>>> vs a modern, super high end violin.
>>
>> Admit it, Jack ... your discernment is so lacking you think
>> Caitlin Jenner is beautiful.
>>
> I can barely tell a Strad from an electric organ, and it sure wasn't me
> that wasted my time doing the testing to find out all the fuss was about
> nothing. (talking about Strads, not Jenners new electric organ)
> If you would like to learn what those that do have a high level of
> "discernment" around violins, there sound and playability, I found just
> the site for you:
>
> http://phenomena.nationalgeographic.com/2014/04/07/stradivarius-violins-arent-better-than-new-ones-round-two/
Yeah, nothing like a confirmation bias, Googled link if you don't have a
clue, eh?
You're missing the point, there's musical instrument collectors, then
there are musicians.
A good musician, and particularly a world class musician, will pay
whatever he can afford to own an instrument that both sounds wonderful
to his ear when he plays it, and is a joy for him/her to play ... and
often more than he can afford.
Both elements increase the joy and satisfaction of playing music well.
An instrument could be worth $4k, or $400k to a collector.
But, if the $400k instrument did not do the above for the player, then
there is absolutely no doubt an accomplished musician will chose the $4k
instrument when it counts.
Saw this many times in the studio.
Every year there is a rush for talented, graduating music students to do
an "audition" recording to submit to prestigious schools/symphonies. It
is not unusual for a student to hire respected symphony players,
including conductors and concert masters at great expense, to attend the
session in an attempt to get the best results.
Rarely is the opportunity to play an instrument of hugely greater value
in these sessions taken advantage of, unless it results in the two
desired elements first above.
Another unique thing about bowed instruments ... it is often the bow,
not the instrument itself, which is responsible for bringing out the
tone of a particular instrument. Many bows are far more costly than the
actual instrument the musician chooses.
And another one of the reasons why it is difficult for anyone but the
player to ultimately discern the difference, and also why it is
impossible to set up an accurate test of which instruments sounds better
to the audience ... even if the audience is made up of other
accomplished musicians ... way too many variables.
That's why you don't have a clue that the link you posted is from the
exact same mindset you're decrying with regard to the "sound" of a
Monster cable.
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On 5/30/2016 6:13 AM, Fred Parrott wrote:
> FIFY ...
Don't care who you are, that there was funny.
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On Thu, 26 May 2016 11:37:29 -0500, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 5/26/2016 11:25 AM, Leon wrote:
>
>> I have a monster cable that originally was sold to me with my
>> sub-wolfer, and it plugged into the Yamaha receiver/amp.
>>
>> In our new home the Yamaha sub out is plugged into the wall, on the
>> opposite side of the room the monster cable is plugged into the wall for
>> the sub. Moot point at this stage I guess. ;~)
>
>I never bought a Monster cable for audio purposes, only took one
>listening session in the studio environment to determine that the
>expensive was not justified ... IOW, no bang for the buck.
>
>As I stated in another post, I own a Monster cable "instrument cable",
>which I use for my basses ... and often in the studio when a player
>being recorded was having problem with hum ... it is right up there with
>the best ones I've owned.
>
>In the final nut cutting, Monster cable is no different from a Festool,
>or a Stradivarius, in both perceived value to the user, and what he
>wants/needs/uses it for.
WOO HOO!!!
I have a monster cable with a green identifier ring, me gots the best
of both worlds! ;)
On 5/29/2016 4:25 PM, Markem wrote:
> On Sun, 29 May 2016 09:52:02 -0500, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Try my name, with some terms like: recording, music, violin, "heights
>> sound studio", acoustic, cantiga, etc.
>
> http://i.imgur.com/k5tVM84.jpg
>
> I will even make it easy for you Jack
FIFY ...
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In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
>
> On 5/25/2016 10:07 AM, Jack wrote:
>
> > Really, had you read the article sent to enlighten you, you would have
> > seen this was taken into account.
>
> Well before you obvioulsy did, actually ... a few years ago when it was
> published, along with the many opinionated discussions/rebuttals for
> months afterwards.
>
> As previously stated ... just like with the Monster cable BS.
>
> Old news ... you would have known that if you hadn't had to post a
> Google link to do your thinking/talking on the subject.
When you refer to "monster cable bs" and say that the article is like
"monster cable bs", you are pretty much admitting that the article is
right because monster cable is BS.
On 5/24/2016 10:53 PM, Swingman wrote:
>
> You're missing the point, there's musical instrument collectors, then
> there are musicians.
>
> A good musician, and particularly a world class musician, will pay
> whatever he can afford to own an instrument that both sounds wonderful
> to his ear when he plays it, and is a joy for him/her to play ... and
> often more than he can afford.
>
> Both elements increase the joy and satisfaction of playing music well.
>
> An instrument could be worth $4k, or $400k to a collector.
>
> But, if the $400k instrument did not do the above for the player, then
> there is absolutely no doubt an accomplished musician will chose the $4k
> instrument when it counts.
>
> Saw this many times in the studio.
>
> Every year there is a rush for talented, graduating music students to do
> an "audition" recording to submit to prestigious schools/symphonies. It
> is not unusual for a student to hire respected symphony players,
> including conductors and concert masters at great expense, to attend the
> session in an attempt to get the best results.
I watched a documentary about how Steinway pianos are built. If you
happened to have a gig at Carnegie Hall you could choose the instrument
you want to play. They were all built to be identical but the musicians
heard the differences that I could not.
This is on topic as they use a lot of wood in those things. Interesting
to see the process.
On 5/26/2016 9:01 AM, Jack wrote:
>
> You seem to think my personal lack of "discernment" with regards to
> Strads vs other quality violins, or your personal ear for this stuff
> qualifies either of us to refute what a flock of these folks have learned?
Just been pointing out that some of remark upon a subject with an
experienced based observation; while others, as you did, must rely on
Google.
You just haven't snapped that Google is both a piss poor replacement for
actual experience, and makes you look naive and foolish at the same time.
Or did you forget this?
On 5/24/2016 6:29 PM, Jack wrote:
> I can barely tell a Strad from an electric organ,
;)
Nuff said ...
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Markem <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Mon, 30 May 2016 11:52:51 -0500, "Fred Parrott" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> On 5/30/2016 9:25 AM,, Leon wrote:
>>> On 5/30/2016 7:27 AM, Markem wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 30 May 2016 06:13:40 -0500, "Fred Parrott" <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote: nothing of real substance
>>>>
>>>> So you replace the link with your own, makes one wonder as to how you
>>>> Mr. Parrot was raised?
>>>
>>> I find it more than coincidental that certain posters disappear when
>>> sock puppets appear and visa versa.
>>
>> We find it more than coincidental that both you and Karl replied
>> through Giganews from the same IP, from the same computer running
>> Windows 7 using Thunderbird 45.1.0, exactly 3 minutes apart.
>>
>> In fact, it transcends coincidental and is just downright GAY!
>> (Which one of you girls made breakfast this AM? :D)
>
> Your netcopping skills are seriously lacking, I use Win 7 Pro and use
> Forte Agent 7. Either that or you are seriously impaired with mind
> altering substances.
>
Looks like a nerve has been struck. An unhealthy infatuation or deep
desire to be what he apparently thinks about most of his time.
On Mon, 30 May 2016 11:52:51 -0500, "Fred Parrott" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On 5/30/2016 9:25 AM,, Leon wrote:
>>On 5/30/2016 7:27 AM, Markem wrote:
>>> On Mon, 30 May 2016 06:13:40 -0500, "Fred Parrott" <[email protected]>
>>> wrote: nothing of real substance
>>>
>>> So you replace the link with your own, makes one wonder as to how you
>>> Mr. Parrot was raised?
>>
>> I find it more than coincidental that certain posters disappear when
>> sock puppets appear and visa versa.
>
>We find it more than coincidental that both you and Karl replied
>through Giganews from the same IP, from the same computer running
>Windows 7 using Thunderbird 45.1.0, exactly 3 minutes apart.
>
>In fact, it transcends coincidental and is just downright GAY!
>(Which one of you girls made breakfast this AM? :D)
Your netcopping skills are seriously lacking, I use Win 7 Pro and use
Forte Agent 7. Either that or you are seriously impaired with mind
altering substances.
On 5/30/2016 12:23 PM, Markem wrote:
> Your netcopping skills are seriously lacking, I use Win 7 Pro and use
> Forte Agent 7.
Better keep his day job, if he has one. Appears our script kiddie can't
even read an nntp header.
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On 5/23/2016 7:32 PM, Markem wrote:
> On Mon, 23 May 2016 18:38:57 -0400, krw <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 23 May 2016 12:46:38 -0400, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/23/2016 12:10 PM, Swingman wrote:
>>>> On 5/23/2016 8:54 AM, Sonny wrote:
>>>
>>>> One rumor for years has been that one of the secrets to the sound of a
>>>> Stradivarius violin, and other Cremona instruments of the period, is
>>>> that the wood was submerged for months, if not years, due to the water
>>>> transport and ponding of logs during that time.
>>>>
>>>> Although a spectroscopy study done a few years ago did not prove that
>>>> was the case, it also did not disprove it, and some of the chemicals
>>>> found, that are not found in wood, during analysis of the wood could
>>>> have been done by "aqueous" treatments.
>>>
>>> I attribute it to hyperbolec acid, the main ingredient in many rare,
>>> overpriced, works of art....
>>
>> More recently used by Monster Inc. and others to make "audiophool
>> grade" video cables, power cables, and such.
>
> Actually Monster Inc. cable and such did have a measurable difference.
> Not an audible difference though!
>
I think Monster came up with a method of insulating their wires so that
the wires look 3 time larger than they actually are, inside the insulation.
On 5/23/2016 8:54 AM, Sonny wrote:
> From what I understood, the logs/stumps were huge. The one salvaged log, salvaged by San Francisco Plantation, barely fit onto a flatbed semi and cost 100K+ to salvage. James Construction didn't have a big enough dozer, on site, to move the log/stump units. Extra ordinary efforts were used to extract and move the remaining log/stumps. It wasn't just logs, alone, but the whole rootball/log unit to be dealt with.
One rumor for years has been that one of the secrets to the sound of a
Stradivarius violin, and other Cremona instruments of the period, is
that the wood was submerged for months, if not years, due to the water
transport and ponding of logs during that time.
Although a spectroscopy study done a few years ago did not prove that
was the case, it also did not disprove it, and some of the chemicals
found, that are not found in wood, during analysis of the wood could
have been done by "aqueous" treatments.
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On 5/23/2016 2:44 PM, Jack wrote:
I made the
> term up, and I'm sticking with it, I'm deaf, but think it's a winner...
fify ...
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"Electric Comet" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>anyone know if there are still logs gettting harvested from lakes
Yes... lots of it. Ax men shows it happening and there are plenty of other
operations going on.
On Mon, 23 May 2016 19:32:00 -0500, Markem <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On Mon, 23 May 2016 18:38:57 -0400, krw <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 23 May 2016 12:46:38 -0400, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>On 5/23/2016 12:10 PM, Swingman wrote:
>>>> On 5/23/2016 8:54 AM, Sonny wrote:
>>>
>>>> One rumor for years has been that one of the secrets to the sound of a
>>>> Stradivarius violin, and other Cremona instruments of the period, is
>>>> that the wood was submerged for months, if not years, due to the water
>>>> transport and ponding of logs during that time.
>>>>
>>>> Although a spectroscopy study done a few years ago did not prove that
>>>> was the case, it also did not disprove it, and some of the chemicals
>>>> found, that are not found in wood, during analysis of the wood could
>>>> have been done by "aqueous" treatments.
>>>
>>>I attribute it to hyperbolec acid, the main ingredient in many rare,
>>>overpriced, works of art....
>>
>>More recently used by Monster Inc. and others to make "audiophool
>>grade" video cables, power cables, and such.
>
>Actually Monster Inc. cable and such did have a measurable difference.
>Not an audible difference though!
Power cables? HDMI cables? If it's not audible (or visible), there
is no difference.
On 5/23/2016 9:19 PM, krw wrote:
> On Mon, 23 May 2016 19:32:00 -0500, Markem <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 23 May 2016 18:38:57 -0400, krw <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 23 May 2016 12:46:38 -0400, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 5/23/2016 12:10 PM, Swingman wrote:
>>>>> On 5/23/2016 8:54 AM, Sonny wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> One rumor for years has been that one of the secrets to the sound of a
>>>>> Stradivarius violin, and other Cremona instruments of the period, is
>>>>> that the wood was submerged for months, if not years, due to the water
>>>>> transport and ponding of logs during that time.
>>>>>
>>>>> Although a spectroscopy study done a few years ago did not prove that
>>>>> was the case, it also did not disprove it, and some of the chemicals
>>>>> found, that are not found in wood, during analysis of the wood could
>>>>> have been done by "aqueous" treatments.
>>>>
>>>> I attribute it to hyperbolec acid, the main ingredient in many rare,
>>>> overpriced, works of art....
>>>
>>> More recently used by Monster Inc. and others to make "audiophool
>>> grade" video cables, power cables, and such.
>>
>> Actually Monster Inc. cable and such did have a measurable difference.
>> Not an audible difference though!
>
> Power cables? HDMI cables? If it's not audible (or visible), there
> is no difference.
>
Depends on the cable. The ones from the stereo store are pretty much
the same, but not the one I have. About 40 years ago a crate of Monster
cables sunk in a swamp and it was recently recovered. They have a much
denser sound that anyone not needing a hearing aid can easily discern.
Sure, I paid a premium but I have a Certificate of Authenticity too.
"DerbyDad03" wrote in message
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>On Tuesday, May 24, 2016 at 9:44:17 AM UTC-4, Jack wrote:
>...snip...
>> A $3 HF clamp vs a $50 Irwin is not difficult to asses...
>...snip...
>Please don't mention "clamps" and "asses" in the same sentence.
LOL
On Sunday, May 22, 2016 at 3:23:25 PM UTC-4, Electric Comet wrote:
> On Sat, 21 May 2016 14:14:43 -0400
> "John Grossbohlin" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Yes... lots of it. Ax men shows it happening and there are plenty of
> > other operations going on.
>
> suprising the swamp stuff is any good
> would think it would rot quick and be full of bugs
Why would you think that?
On Tue, 24 May 2016 06:59:50 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Tuesday, May 24, 2016 at 9:44:17 AM UTC-4, Jack wrote:
>
>...snip...
>
>> A $3 HF clamp vs a $50 Irwin is not difficult to asses...
>
>...snip...
>
>Please don't mention "clamps" and "asses" in the same sentence.
What about clamps and balls?
On Mon, 23 May 2016 21:33:45 -0500, Markem <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On Mon, 23 May 2016 21:19:30 -0400, krw <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 23 May 2016 19:32:00 -0500, Markem <[email protected]>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 23 May 2016 18:38:57 -0400, krw <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 23 May 2016 12:46:38 -0400, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On 5/23/2016 12:10 PM, Swingman wrote:
>>>>>> On 5/23/2016 8:54 AM, Sonny wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> One rumor for years has been that one of the secrets to the sound of a
>>>>>> Stradivarius violin, and other Cremona instruments of the period, is
>>>>>> that the wood was submerged for months, if not years, due to the water
>>>>>> transport and ponding of logs during that time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Although a spectroscopy study done a few years ago did not prove that
>>>>>> was the case, it also did not disprove it, and some of the chemicals
>>>>>> found, that are not found in wood, during analysis of the wood could
>>>>>> have been done by "aqueous" treatments.
>>>>>
>>>>>I attribute it to hyperbolec acid, the main ingredient in many rare,
>>>>>overpriced, works of art....
>>>>
>>>>More recently used by Monster Inc. and others to make "audiophool
>>>>grade" video cables, power cables, and such.
>>>
>>>Actually Monster Inc. cable and such did have a measurable difference.
>>>Not an audible difference though!
>>
>>Power cables? HDMI cables? If it's not audible (or visible), there
>>is no difference.
>
>They were very careful and had "lab reports" for the speaker cables
>when they first brought them out, now .01db is measurable but not
>audible. Does not matter really I have used at least 16 ga lamp cord
>for my speakers, but I worked at Shure as tech in manufacturing and
>R&D. So the mumbo jumbo of either Monster or Bose never matter much
>cause I knew enough.
Sure, I use 16Ga "zip" cord for speaker cables, too. The point is
that *power* cables don't affect sound quality and $60 HDMI cables
don't work any better than $2 ones. Either they work or they don't.
On 5/23/2016 11:46 AM, Jack wrote:
> I attribute it to hyperbolec acid, the main ingredient in many rare,
> overpriced, works of art....
LOL
Visual art I agree, but the sound, and playability, of a particular
instrument is an apples to oranges comparison to visual art.
Recorded a Cremona (Amati) cello many times during a 25 year period.
While I can attest that much of the sound of any instrument can come
from the hands/touch of the player, this particular cello was owned by
two different individuals, played by at least four on dozens of
recordings during that time, both in my studio, and others.
Having been asked asked on numerous occasions, have never failed to
identify that particular instrument on a recording.
That is the "acid" that brings the big bucks in that type of "art" ...
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On 2016-05-21, Electric Comet <[email protected]> wrote:
> the wood is supposed to be very sought after once it has been
> seasoned via air drying
Turns out wood is almost indestructible when "waterlogged". Venice
and parts of Naw'lins are built upon whole logs driven into the
wet/submerged earth, then built upon. From what I understand, once
logs are in place, they will last almost indefinitely. It's the logs
that are exposed to air that rot. Look at rotting pilings of old
piers. They always rot away right down near the water line.
nb
On 2016-05-23, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> ....it also did not disprove it.....
So, it could be pixie dust? ;)
> and some of the chemicals found, that are not found in wood, during
> analysis of the wood could have been done by "aqueous" treatments.
....or merely the finish on those violins. One "stradi" freak
explored only varnishes/finishes, fer yrs/decades, trying to find the
"secret".
nb
On 2016-05-23, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> Varnishes of that period were oil/resin based; and the adjective
> "aqueous" was purposely used, both in my reply to stay on topic, and in
> the study to differentiate that fact.
I was using the term thusly:
a : of, relating to, or resembling water
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/aqueous
I could be wrong, but seems to me, the last time I brushed on some
varnish, it performed exactly like a substance "resembling water",
i.e. a thin liquid. ;)
nb
On Monday, May 23, 2016 at 9:15:25 AM UTC-4, Sonny wrote:
> On Monday, May 23, 2016 at 7:39:47 AM UTC-5, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>=20
> > > suprising the swamp stuff is any good
> > > would think it would rot quick and be full of bugs
> >=20
> > Why would you think that?
>=20
> Because he's not knowledgeable. Swamp water tends to be low in oxygen, =
so it preserves boi-matter, rather than promote its decay.
>=20
> Also, re: logs in the ocean: There are relative examples, i.e., sunken =
ships for one. Off shore of Alabama, in the Gulf, there's remnants of an =
ancient forest of bald cypress. I think the logs/area is protected agains=
t salvagers.
> http://blog.al.com/live/2012/09/ancient_forest_lies_10_miles_o.html
>=20
> San Francisco plantation, Garyville, La., today the site of Marathon oil =
refinery: During the expansion of the refinery, some years ago, huge old 1=
5'+ tall cypress stumps were discovered. Silt had covered the stumps, sinc=
e the trees had been cut, back in the 1800s. The San Francisco Plantation=
folks recovered one stump, as historical record of what once had been part=
of the plantation property. The stump/log is on display on the remaining=
plantation site. All the other stumps, that were discovered, were reburi=
ed off/away from the immediate construction site. I suppose it was too ex=
pensive the salvage the logs and, also, Marathon didn't allow "outsiders" t=
o enter the construction site, that way. *This info is from my nephew, wh=
o was the head Super, for James Construction doing the construction upgradi=
ng. I, personally, never went to see the salvaged log or other logs, thou=
gh I've wanted to.
>=20
> Sonny
OK, color me confused...
"All the other stumps, that were discovered, were reburied off/away from=20
the immediate construction site. I suppose it was too expensive the=20
salvage the logs..."
Weren't they basically "salvaged" so that they could be moved? Instead of=
=20
moving them and reburying them, one would think they could have put them=20
on a logging truck and taken them off-site for sale. There must have been=
=20
a cost to move/rebury them, so some of the "salvage cost" was spent anyway.
I know that there are lots of other factors that I haven't even considered,
but it just seems a shame to let all that wood go to waste.
On Monday, May 23, 2016 at 7:39:47 AM UTC-5, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> > suprising the swamp stuff is any good
> > would think it would rot quick and be full of bugs
>=20
> Why would you think that?
Because he's not knowledgeable. Swamp water tends to be low in oxygen, so=
it preserves boi-matter, rather than promote its decay.
Also, re: logs in the ocean: There are relative examples, i.e., sunken sh=
ips for one. Off shore of Alabama, in the Gulf, there's remnants of an an=
cient forest of bald cypress. I think the logs/area is protected against =
salvagers.
http://blog.al.com/live/2012/09/ancient_forest_lies_10_miles_o.html
San Francisco plantation, Garyville, La., today the site of Marathon oil re=
finery: During the expansion of the refinery, some years ago, huge old 15'=
+ tall cypress stumps were discovered. Silt had covered the stumps, since =
the trees had been cut, back in the 1800s. The San Francisco Plantation f=
olks recovered one stump, as historical record of what once had been part o=
f the plantation property. The stump/log is on display on the remaining p=
lantation site. All the other stumps, that were discovered, were reburied=
off/away from the immediate construction site. I suppose it was too expe=
nsive the salvage the logs and, also, Marathon didn't allow "outsiders" to =
enter the construction site, that way. *This info is from my nephew, who =
was the head Super, for James Construction doing the construction upgrading=
. I, personally, never went to see the salvaged log or other logs, though=
I've wanted to.
Sonny
On 24 May 2016 14:39:47 GMT, notbob <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 2016-05-24, Markem <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> So the mumbo jumbo of either Monster or Bose never matter much
>
>I can attest to the nonsense that is Bose.
>
>The only time Bose sold a fair product was when Fry's (electronics
>chain store) usta sell the 101 spkr fer $40 ea. Then Bose got greedy
>and made Fry's raise the price to the MSRP of $120. Heck, one rock
>star (iggy pop?) even warned against listening to his latest album
>release ona Bose sytem.
>
>Insanely overpriced junk.
No highs, no lows. Must be Bose.
On 2016-05-24, krw <[email protected]> wrote:
> No highs, no lows. Must be Bose.
Testify!
nb
On Tue, 24 May 2016 17:56:44 -0400, Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 5/23/2016 9:19 PM, krw wrote:
>> On Mon, 23 May 2016 19:32:00 -0500, Markem <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 23 May 2016 18:38:57 -0400, krw <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 23 May 2016 12:46:38 -0400, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 5/23/2016 12:10 PM, Swingman wrote:
>>>>>> On 5/23/2016 8:54 AM, Sonny wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> One rumor for years has been that one of the secrets to the sound of a
>>>>>> Stradivarius violin, and other Cremona instruments of the period, is
>>>>>> that the wood was submerged for months, if not years, due to the water
>>>>>> transport and ponding of logs during that time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Although a spectroscopy study done a few years ago did not prove that
>>>>>> was the case, it also did not disprove it, and some of the chemicals
>>>>>> found, that are not found in wood, during analysis of the wood could
>>>>>> have been done by "aqueous" treatments.
>>>>>
>>>>> I attribute it to hyperbolec acid, the main ingredient in many rare,
>>>>> overpriced, works of art....
>>>>
>>>> More recently used by Monster Inc. and others to make "audiophool
>>>> grade" video cables, power cables, and such.
>>>
>>> Actually Monster Inc. cable and such did have a measurable difference.
>>> Not an audible difference though!
>>
>> Power cables? HDMI cables? If it's not audible (or visible), there
>> is no difference.
>>
>
>Depends on the cable. The ones from the stereo store are pretty much
>the same, but not the one I have. About 40 years ago a crate of Monster
>cables sunk in a swamp and it was recently recovered. They have a much
>denser sound that anyone not needing a hearing aid can easily discern.
>Sure, I paid a premium but I have a Certificate of Authenticity too.
<choke> ...and here I thought it was the lacquer.
On Tue, 24 May 2016 15:28:13 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
>On 5/24/2016 9:32 AM, Swingman wrote:
>> On 5/24/2016 8:44 AM, Jack wrote:
>>
>>> just like those that think they can differentiate the sound of a Strad
>>> vs a modern, super high end violin.
>>
>> Admit it, Jack ... your discernment is so lacking you think
>> Caitlin Jenner is beautiful.
>>
>Euwwwwwwww
...in hot pants.
Now, get once you get that picture out of your head, you'll realize
that "it's a small world, after all". ;-)
On Tuesday, May 24, 2016 at 10:32:45 AM UTC-4, Swingman wrote:
> On 5/24/2016 8:44 AM, Jack wrote:
>
> > just like those that think they can differentiate the sound of a Strad
> > vs a modern, super high end violin.
>
> Admit it, Jack ... your discernment is so lacking you think
> Caitlin Jenner is beautiful.
Ask Ray Stevens. ;-)
On Monday, May 23, 2016 at 8:28:53 AM UTC-5, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>=20
> OK, color me confused...
>=20
> "All the other stumps, that were discovered, were reburied off/away from=
=20
> the immediate construction site. I suppose it was too expensive the=20
> salvage the logs..."
>=20
> Weren't they basically "salvaged" so that they could be moved? Instead of=
=20
> moving them and reburying them, one would think they could have put them=
=20
> on a logging truck and taken them off-site for sale. There must have been=
=20
> a cost to move/rebury them, so some of the "salvage cost" was spent anywa=
y.
>=20
> I know that there are lots of other factors that I haven't even considere=
d,
> but it just seems a shame to let all that wood go to waste.
From what I understood, the logs/stumps were huge. The one salvaged log, =
salvaged by San Francisco Plantation, barely fit onto a flatbed semi and co=
st 100K+ to salvage. James Construction didn't have a big enough dozer, o=
n site, to move the log/stump units. Extra ordinary efforts were used to =
extract and move the remaining log/stumps. It wasn't just logs, alone, bu=
t the whole rootball/log unit to be dealt with.
I'll ask my nephew, further, for more specific info.
Sonny
On 5/24/2016 8:44 AM, Jack wrote:
> just like those that think they can differentiate the sound of a Strad
> vs a modern, super high end violin.
Admit it, Jack ... your discernment is so lacking you think
Caitlin Jenner is beautiful.
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On Sun, 29 May 2016 09:19:03 -0400, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 5/28/2016 5:16 PM, krw wrote:
>> On Sat, 28 May 2016 10:45:21 -0400, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/27/2016 6:19 PM, krw wrote:
>>>
>>>>> I'm guessing you have no worthwhile experience in this, your thoughts on
>>>>> this as far as personal experience is likely as close to zero as mine is.
>>>>
>>>> You're calling Swing a liar? Nice.
>>>
>>> He said I look foolish using Google rather than my personal experience.
>>
>> ...and he was right. It's nuts to believe what you see on the
>> Internet over personal experience.
>
>So, you're saying Swing has personal experience evaluating a bunch of
>violins in a double blind study, and it's nuts to believe the flock of
>professionals gathered to do just that, simply because Google was used
>to locate the study reported on the National Geographic web site.
He has more personal experience than your weak Google searches can
possibly come up with, Frenchy.
>Idiot!
At least you can admit your deficiencies.
On 5/29/2016 9:54 AM, krw wrote:
> On Sun, 29 May 2016 09:19:03 -0400, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On 5/28/2016 5:16 PM, krw wrote:
>>> On Sat, 28 May 2016 10:45:21 -0400, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 5/27/2016 6:19 PM, krw wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> I'm guessing you have no worthwhile experience in this, your thoughts on
>>>>>> this as far as personal experience is likely as close to zero as mine is.
>>>>>
>>>>> You're calling Swing a liar? Nice.
>>>>
>>>> He said I look foolish using Google rather than my personal experience.
>>>
>>> ...and he was right. It's nuts to believe what you see on the
>>> Internet over personal experience.
>> So, you're saying Swing has personal experience evaluating a bunch of
>> violins in a double blind study, and it's nuts to believe the flock of
>> professionals gathered to do just that, simply because Google was used
>> to locate the study reported on the National Geographic web site.
>
> He has more personal experience than your weak Google searches can
> possibly come up with, Frenchy.
My Google searches came up with a hit at National Geographic to a world
renowned double blind study conducted through a world renowned research
university by professional researchers, violinists and others.
All I could find is Swing plays a bass guitar in apparently a country
band and works part time in a recording studio. All that says is he can
play a bass and his ears work at least well enough to hang out in a
recording studio. (IE, he can hear.)
Compared to the world renowned violin soloists and gaggle of other
professionals that participated in the double blind studies that
included 5 Stradivarius violins, any one of which is worth more that
everyone's combined income in this newsgroup, plus 7 other high end
violins, I think my Google searches are far from weak, in fact, just the
opposite, and the more you fools twist in the breeze the funnier it gets.
>> Idiot!
> At least you can admit your deficiencies.
In this case I was just stealing your thunder. Your MO is to say
nothing worthwhile followed by either "Idiot" or "Clueless". Thought
I'd beat your meaningless name calling to the punch. Now that I know
you were speaking of you personal deficiencies, you at least make some
sense.
--
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On Sat, 21 May 2016 23:31:16 -0500
Martin Eastburn <[email protected]> wrote:
> What lake ? Superior YES.
only there
thought other lakes would have them too
either natural or by man
> Swamps in the south - YES.
> Any lake that had barges and trains of barges have logs all over.
> They are getting fewer but there are plenty.
did not know they got them from swamps
wonder if there are any in the ocean
On Sun, 22 May 2016 12:57:51 +0000
Spalted Walt <[email protected]> wrote:
> Shelby Stanga - swamp logger
long way for that guy to go for one log
On Sat, 21 May 2016 14:14:43 -0400
"John Grossbohlin" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Yes... lots of it. Ax men shows it happening and there are plenty of
> other operations going on.
suprising the swamp stuff is any good
would think it would rot quick and be full of bugs
On Tuesday, May 24, 2016 at 10:18:45 AM UTC-4, Jack wrote:
> On 5/23/2016 10:41 PM, Markem wrote:
> > On Mon, 23 May 2016 20:27:54 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
> > wrote:
>
> >> I think Monster came up with a method of insulating their wires so that
> >> the wires look 3 time larger than they actually are, inside the insulation.
> >
> > And a very nice and flexible insulation it is.
>
> I bought a 25' RCA cable at cablewholesale.com in 2006 for 11.44. The
> cable has super nice heavy, flexable insulation, and is overall an
> excellent cable. A 4' monster would cost like $30. Interesting, my
> cable costs less today than when I bought it 10 years ago. I've bought a
> number of cables, including HDMI cables there, and all have been good
> quality at super prices.
>
> cablewholesale.com/products/audio-video-products/audio-video-cables/product-10r2-02125.php
>
Have you ever dealt with Monoprice?
http://www.monoprice.com/
I have dealt with them exclusively for cables, not for anything else listed
on their home page. However, while grabbing their URL today I noticed that
they have done a *major* redesign of their website. It used to be not much
more than a on-line catalog and you kind of needed to know what you were
looking for to find it.
Now I see speakers, musical instruments, etc. I hope this isn't an indication
of a change in philosophy, which used be (IMO) quality cables at great
prices.
I looked up the cable you linked to and their equivalent (?) cable is
priced at $7.33, but I did not look at shipping costs. Theirs is 22AWG vs.
26AWG.
http://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=2866
...snip...
On Mon, 23 May 2016 21:19:30 -0400, krw <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Mon, 23 May 2016 19:32:00 -0500, Markem <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 23 May 2016 18:38:57 -0400, krw <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 23 May 2016 12:46:38 -0400, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 5/23/2016 12:10 PM, Swingman wrote:
>>>>> On 5/23/2016 8:54 AM, Sonny wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> One rumor for years has been that one of the secrets to the sound of a
>>>>> Stradivarius violin, and other Cremona instruments of the period, is
>>>>> that the wood was submerged for months, if not years, due to the water
>>>>> transport and ponding of logs during that time.
>>>>>
>>>>> Although a spectroscopy study done a few years ago did not prove that
>>>>> was the case, it also did not disprove it, and some of the chemicals
>>>>> found, that are not found in wood, during analysis of the wood could
>>>>> have been done by "aqueous" treatments.
>>>>
>>>>I attribute it to hyperbolec acid, the main ingredient in many rare,
>>>>overpriced, works of art....
>>>
>>>More recently used by Monster Inc. and others to make "audiophool
>>>grade" video cables, power cables, and such.
>>
>>Actually Monster Inc. cable and such did have a measurable difference.
>>Not an audible difference though!
>
>Power cables? HDMI cables? If it's not audible (or visible), there
>is no difference.
They were very careful and had "lab reports" for the speaker cables
when they first brought them out, now .01db is measurable but not
audible. Does not matter really I have used at least 16 ga lamp cord
for my speakers, but I worked at Shure as tech in manufacturing and
R&D. So the mumbo jumbo of either Monster or Bose never matter much
cause I knew enough.
On 5/23/2016 9:33 PM, Markem wrote:
> They were very careful and had "lab reports" for the speaker cables
> when they first brought them out, now .01db is measurable but not
> audible. Does not matter really I have used at least 16 ga lamp cord
> for my speakers, but I worked at Shure as tech in manufacturing and
> R&D. So the mumbo jumbo of either Monster or Bose never matter much
> cause I knew enough.
I never heard a difference, but it's not always all about sound.
I made a good living for a long time with a set of well trained ears,
some said "Golden", and despite the obvious quality of the connectors,
and the shielding and grounding, which did cut back somewhat on RF/EM
interference/hum, especially with instrument cables plugged into amps, I
could never hear any difference in sound with Monster cable that they,
and others claim.
... and they were way too expensive for the amount of cabling we needed
in the recording studio.
That said, I have one of the first Monster instrument (Bass) cables
that, although it doesn't sound any better, has stood up better to
rigorous road than most other instrument cables I've owned the past 50
years.
And there has been noticeably less of a problem with RF/EM hum than with
cheaper cables, always a problem on stage.
Add the better build quality, the better shielding from RF/EM, and a
lifetime warranty, and I don't regret the premium $20 I paid it for over
ten years ago.
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On 2016-05-24, Markem <[email protected]> wrote:
> So the mumbo jumbo of either Monster or Bose never matter much
I can attest to the nonsense that is Bose.
The only time Bose sold a fair product was when Fry's (electronics
chain store) usta sell the 101 spkr fer $40 ea. Then Bose got greedy
and made Fry's raise the price to the MSRP of $120. Heck, one rock
star (iggy pop?) even warned against listening to his latest album
release ona Bose sytem.
Insanely overpriced junk.
nb
On Mon, 23 May 2016 20:27:54 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
>On 5/23/2016 7:32 PM, Markem wrote:
>> On Mon, 23 May 2016 18:38:57 -0400, krw <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 23 May 2016 12:46:38 -0400, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 5/23/2016 12:10 PM, Swingman wrote:
>>>>> On 5/23/2016 8:54 AM, Sonny wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> One rumor for years has been that one of the secrets to the sound of a
>>>>> Stradivarius violin, and other Cremona instruments of the period, is
>>>>> that the wood was submerged for months, if not years, due to the water
>>>>> transport and ponding of logs during that time.
>>>>>
>>>>> Although a spectroscopy study done a few years ago did not prove that
>>>>> was the case, it also did not disprove it, and some of the chemicals
>>>>> found, that are not found in wood, during analysis of the wood could
>>>>> have been done by "aqueous" treatments.
>>>>
>>>> I attribute it to hyperbolec acid, the main ingredient in many rare,
>>>> overpriced, works of art....
>>>
>>> More recently used by Monster Inc. and others to make "audiophool
>>> grade" video cables, power cables, and such.
>>
>> Actually Monster Inc. cable and such did have a measurable difference.
>> Not an audible difference though!
>>
>
>
>I think Monster came up with a method of insulating their wires so that
>the wires look 3 time larger than they actually are, inside the insulation.
And a very nice and flexible insulation it is.
But back to the Stradivarius, someone did a high power look at the
wood, a lot of the binding resins seems to have been removed. The wood
also used had grown during the Monder minimum. Treatment by soaking
the tight grain of the wood are thought to be part of the secret, the
varnish that hardens but not really that is a mystery.
On 5/23/2016 10:41 PM, Markem wrote:
> On Mon, 23 May 2016 20:27:54 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
> wrote:
>> I think Monster came up with a method of insulating their wires so that
>> the wires look 3 time larger than they actually are, inside the insulation.
>
> And a very nice and flexible insulation it is.
I bought a 25' RCA cable at cablewholesale.com in 2006 for 11.44. The
cable has super nice heavy, flexable insulation, and is overall an
excellent cable. A 4' monster would cost like $30. Interesting, my
cable costs less today than when I bought it 10 years ago. I've bought a
number of cables, including HDMI cables there, and all have been good
quality at super prices.
cablewholesale.com/products/audio-video-products/audio-video-cables/product-10r2-02125.php
> But back to the Stradivarius, someone did a high power look at the
> wood, a lot of the binding resins seems to have been removed. The wood
> also used had grown during the Monder minimum. Treatment by soaking
> the tight grain of the wood are thought to be part of the secret, the
> varnish that hardens but not really that is a mystery.
>
I think they discovered the secret is they sound about the same as any
top quality violin. Just like some people listening to a monster cable
think the sound is better when it isn't. Proving something happened as
a result of a false premise can be difficult, even though a lot of so
called "scientists" make a good living at it, and our educational system
is polluted with their efforts.
--
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Never dealt with Monoprice. They appear to have good prices as well.
Consider what you would pay for a 25' Monster cable?
This past year, I bought a new PC and my old video cable needed an hdmi
connection for the new pc. Went online and Staples had one for like
$6-7. Went to Staples, and they would have to order it. Went to Best
Buy in the same mall and they wanted like $20 or $30 for the same one.
I sprang the price match on him, and he said you can't match the price
because their cable was a BestBuy cable and no one else sells that
brand. I instinctively went off on the dude, later apologized, told him
I should have yelled at his boss, but he could pass on my opinion. Of
course BB is on my S-list for now... yes, I bought the piece of crap
cause I wanted it NOW. I hate when that happens...
--Jack
I donât need anger management. I need people to stop pissing me off!
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On 5/24/2016 11:59 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 24, 2016 at 10:18:45 AM UTC-4, Jack wrote:
>> On 5/23/2016 10:41 PM, Markem wrote:
>>> On Mon, 23 May 2016 20:27:54 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>>> wrote:
>>
>>>> I think Monster came up with a method of insulating their wires so that
>>>> the wires look 3 time larger than they actually are, inside the insulation.
>>>
>>> And a very nice and flexible insulation it is.
>>
>> I bought a 25' RCA cable at cablewholesale.com in 2006 for 11.44. The
>> cable has super nice heavy, flexable insulation, and is overall an
>> excellent cable. A 4' monster would cost like $30. Interesting, my
>> cable costs less today than when I bought it 10 years ago. I've bought a
>> number of cables, including HDMI cables there, and all have been good
>> quality at super prices.
>>
--
>> cablewholesale.com/products/audio-video-products/audio-video-cables/product-10r2-02125.php
>>
>
> Have you ever dealt with Monoprice?
>
> http://www.monoprice.com/
>
> I have dealt with them exclusively for cables, not for anything else listed
> on their home page. However, while grabbing their URL today I noticed that
> they have done a *major* redesign of their website. It used to be not much
> more than a on-line catalog and you kind of needed to know what you were
> looking for to find it.
>
> Now I see speakers, musical instruments, etc. I hope this isn't an indication
> of a change in philosophy, which used be (IMO) quality cables at great
> prices.
>
> I looked up the cable you linked to and their equivalent (?) cable is
> priced at $7.33, but I did not look at shipping costs. Theirs is 22AWG vs.
> 26AWG.
>
> http://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=2866
>
> ...snip...
>
On Sun, 22 May 2016 12:57:51 +0000
Spalted Walt <[email protected]> wrote:
> Shelby Stanga - swamp logger
he is putting holes in those future logs
those will fetch a premium later
looks like he is having fun
On 5/23/2016 8:39 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> On Sunday, May 22, 2016 at 3:23:25 PM UTC-4, Electric Comet wrote:
>> On Sat, 21 May 2016 14:14:43 -0400
>> "John Grossbohlin" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes... lots of it. Ax men shows it happening and there are plenty of
>>> other operations going on.
>>
>> suprising the swamp stuff is any good
>> would think it would rot quick and be full of bugs
>
> Why would you think that?
>
Damned Water Termites.
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On 5/23/2016 12:10 PM, Swingman wrote:
> On 5/23/2016 8:54 AM, Sonny wrote:
> One rumor for years has been that one of the secrets to the sound of a
> Stradivarius violin, and other Cremona instruments of the period, is
> that the wood was submerged for months, if not years, due to the water
> transport and ponding of logs during that time.
>
> Although a spectroscopy study done a few years ago did not prove that
> was the case, it also did not disprove it, and some of the chemicals
> found, that are not found in wood, during analysis of the wood could
> have been done by "aqueous" treatments.
I attribute it to hyperbolec acid, the main ingredient in many rare,
overpriced, works of art....
--
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Add Life to your Days not Days to your Life.
http://jbstein.com
On Thursday, May 26, 2016 at 12:37:36 PM UTC-4, Swingman wrote:
> On 5/26/2016 11:25 AM, Leon wrote:
>
> > I have a monster cable that originally was sold to me with my
> > sub-wolfer, and it plugged into the Yamaha receiver/amp.
> >
...snip...
>
> In the final nut cutting, Monster cable is no different from a Festool,
> or a Stradivarius, in both perceived value to the user, and what he
> wants/needs/uses it for.
>
Monster is currently Out Of Stock on it's Festool colored cable. I
wonder if Leon bought it all up.
https://www.monsterproducts.com/CI_Pro_14-4CAT5E_Bulk_Cable
Swingman <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
>
> Maybe ... IIRC, we had the choice of a cap, a battery, or a green
> Monster cable when we went to the Festool rodeo a couple of weeks
> back. lol
>
Can I borrow it? I'd like to put it out in shallow left field so I can hit
it over the green monster cable.
Ok, not my best... Moving on.
Puckdropper
On Fri, 27 May 2016 13:21:07 -0400, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 5/26/2016 11:56 AM, Swingman wrote:
>> On 5/26/2016 9:01 AM, Jack wrote:
>>>
>>> You seem to think my personal lack of "discernment" with regards to
>>> Strads vs other quality violins, or your personal ear for this stuff
>>> qualifies either of us to refute what a flock of these folks have
>>> learned?
>>
>> Just been pointing out that some of remark upon a subject with an
>> experienced based observation; while others, as you did, must rely on
>> Google.
>
>Sorry Swing, your experience with this is as close to zero as mine is,
>Assuming you never participated in a double blind study with millions of
>dollars worth of violins, played and evaluated by the who's who of
>violins and numerous students of the art.
>
>> You just haven't snapped that Google is both a piss poor replacement for
>> actual experience, and makes you look naive and foolish at the same time.
>
>You haven't figured out that Google is a valuable resource at your
>finger tips? Google provides access to information heretofore
>unavailable to the masses w/o much effort and expense. Sorry you only
>rely on your personal experiences. I see you wondering around
>aimlessly, trying to reinvent the wheel at every turn. Must be tough
>being you. I suggest you learn how to use Google, it's RAD, dude.
One word: Bonjour!
>I'm guessing you have no worthwhile experience in this, your thoughts on
>this as far as personal experience is likely as close to zero as mine is.
You're calling Swing a liar? Nice.
>
>Feel free to list your qualifications that would convince Claudia Fritz
>and Sorbonne University that she should listen to your thoughts rather
>that the slew of people she gathered to participate in the study. I'm
>thinking (strongly) that you are the fool, not me, not Sorbonne
>University, and not the group of top professionals gathered to fairly
>evaluate the subject.
>
>> Or did you forget this?
>>
>> On 5/24/2016 6:29 PM, Jack wrote:
>> > I can barely tell a Strad from an electric organ,
>
>No, I didn't forget it. It was meant to stop you from attacking my
>comments on someone else's study as if they were based on my personal
>experiences. People that actually do have personal experience playing
>with Strads and other top of the line violins discovered that their
>personal experience turned out to be biased, greatly effected by
>hyperbolec acid I spoke of. What's your experience?
>
>> Nuff said ...
>
>I'll say.
On Mon, 30 May 2016 13:37:29 -0500, "Fred Parrott" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On 5/30/2016 12:23 PM, Markem wrote:
>>On Mon, 30 May 2016 11:52:51 -0500, "Fred Parrott" <[email protected]>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On 5/30/2016 9:25 AM,, Leon wrote:
>>>>On 5/30/2016 7:27 AM, Markem wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 30 May 2016 06:13:40 -0500, "Fred Parrott" <[email protected]>
>>>>> wrote: nothing of real substance
>>>>>
>>>>> So you replace the link with your own, makes one wonder as to how you
>>>>> Mr. Parrot was raised?
>>>>
>>>> I find it more than coincidental that certain posters disappear when
>>>> sock puppets appear and visa versa.
>>>
>>>We find it more than coincidental that both you and Karl replied
>>>through Giganews from the same IP, from the same computer running
>>>Windows 7 using Thunderbird 45.1.0, exactly 3 minutes apart.
>>>
>>>In fact, it transcends coincidental and is just downright GAY!
>>>(Which one of you girls made breakfast this AM? :D)
>>
>> Your netcopping skills are seriously lacking, I use Win 7 Pro and use
>> Forte Agent 7. Either that or you are seriously impaired with mind
>> altering substances.
>
>Perhaps if you could actually comprehend a THREADED Usenet
>discussion you'd understand what a ignorant puddle of fuck-drippings
>you just proved yourself to be.
>
>(FREE KLUE: I was replying to Leon :D)
Should that not free glue as that seems to be what you are sniffing.
So we have now confirmed the mind altering substances!
On 5/28/2016 9:45 AM, Jack wrote:
> The very next paragraph I offered him the opportunity to state his
> qualifications.
Google is your friend ...
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On 5/26/2016 10:37 AM, Markem wrote:
> Monster cable have alway been well made, the marketing was aimed at
> the audiophools who would buy it cause of the sales pitch
Same folks that run presidential campaigns for the votingphools ...
> The Strads have a long history of players who owned them and played
> them, the history is a big part of the want of one.
To a collector ...
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On 5/26/2016 11:25 AM, Leon wrote:
> I have a monster cable that originally was sold to me with my
> sub-wolfer, and it plugged into the Yamaha receiver/amp.
>
> In our new home the Yamaha sub out is plugged into the wall, on the
> opposite side of the room the monster cable is plugged into the wall for
> the sub. Moot point at this stage I guess. ;~)
I never bought a Monster cable for audio purposes, only took one
listening session in the studio environment to determine that the
expensive was not justified ... IOW, no bang for the buck.
As I stated in another post, I own a Monster cable "instrument cable",
which I use for my basses ... and often in the studio when a player
being recorded was having problem with hum ... it is right up there with
the best ones I've owned.
In the final nut cutting, Monster cable is no different from a Festool,
or a Stradivarius, in both perceived value to the user, and what he
wants/needs/uses it for.
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On 5/26/2016 10:37 AM, Markem wrote:
> On Thu, 26 May 2016 10:00:13 -0500, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On 5/26/2016 5:36 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
>>
>>> When you refer to "monster cable bs" and say that the article is like
>>> "monster cable bs", you are pretty much admitting that the article is
>>> right because monster cable is BS.
>>
>> Only if you've confused the syntax difference between my "monster cable
>> BS", versus your "monster cable _is_ BS".
>>
>> The argument about how Monster cable _sounds_ is arguably the BS part
>> ... just like with the Strad. In that regard, beauty is in the eye of
>> the beholder, as it always is.
>>
>> And your confusion leaves out the unarguable fact that Monster cable is
>> (or has been) a well made product with redeeming qualities other than
>> it's individually, and subjectively perceived _sound_.
>
> Monster cable have alway been well made, the marketing was aimed at
> the audiophools who would buy it cause of the sales pitch. Monster
> speaker cables are a pia, the inner core (plastic fibers) make it a
> real pain to strip and tin.
>
> The Strads have a long history of players who owned them and played
> them, the history is a big part of the want of one.
>
IMHO Monster cables are probably 10 times more than you need for any
equipment sold to 98% of the people.
On 5/26/2016 10:48 AM, Swingman wrote:
> On 5/26/2016 10:44 AM, Leon wrote:
>> On 5/26/2016 10:37 AM, Markem wrote:
>
>>> Monster cable have alway been well made, the marketing was aimed at
>>> the audiophools who would buy it cause of the sales pitch. Monster
>>> speaker cables are a pia, the inner core (plastic fibers) make it a
>>> real pain to strip and tin.
>>>
>>> The Strads have a long history of players who owned them and played
>>> them, the history is a big part of the want of one.
>>>
>>
>>
>> IMHO Monster cables are probably 10 times more than you need for any
>> equipment sold to 98% of the people.
>
> Just like one of those old, expensive violins ... ;)
>
I have a monster cable that originally was sold to me with my
sub-wolfer, and it plugged into the Yamaha receiver/amp.
In our new home the Yamaha sub out is plugged into the wall, on the
opposite side of the room the monster cable is plugged into the wall for
the sub. Moot point at this stage I guess. ;~)
On 5/26/2016 1:17 PM, Swingman wrote:
> On 5/26/2016 12:37 PM, Leon wrote:
>
>> Now if you are simply saying that the Monster instrument cable is
>> better, quality wise, than what you can find anywhere else, I totally
>> understand and would have to agree.
>
> That's exactly what I been saying, over and over, cher! ;)
>
I'm not preaching, just agreeing. ;!)
On 5/26/2016 11:37 AM, Swingman wrote:
> On 5/26/2016 11:25 AM, Leon wrote:
>
>> I have a monster cable that originally was sold to me with my
>> sub-wolfer, and it plugged into the Yamaha receiver/amp.
>>
>> In our new home the Yamaha sub out is plugged into the wall, on the
>> opposite side of the room the monster cable is plugged into the wall for
>> the sub. Moot point at this stage I guess. ;~)
>
> I never bought a Monster cable for audio purposes, only took one
> listening session in the studio environment to determine that the
> expensive was not justified ... IOW, no bang for the buck.
>
> As I stated in another post, I own a Monster cable "instrument cable",
> which I use for my basses ... and often in the studio when a player
> being recorded was having problem with hum ... it is right up there with
> the best ones I've owned.
Not trying to argue with you here but in most all cases the cable,
Monster or otherwise, are a link between units. Now if you are simply
saying that the Monster instrument cable is better, quality wise, than
what you can find anywhere else, I totally understand and would have to
agree.
My issue with what I used to see was that Monster cables speaker wire
were simply wiring with insulation. It had no ends other than stripped
away insulation. As I recall the cable inside the insulation appeared
to be 1/4" thick. As it exited and was bare wire, but soldered on the
end, it looked like 14 gauge wire. I thought smoke and mirrors. No
doubt it was better than regular home stereo speaker wire but I
seriously doubt any better for the price than lamp cord, which was
probably 8~10 times heavier than speaker wire.
Waaaaaay back when I had 4 relative large home speakers. Each had 12
woofers, mid-range and tweeters and for years I was using regular
speaker wire to power them from a Techniques 85 watt per channel RMS
receiver. That was in the mid 70's to early 90's and it sounded great.
FF to mid 90's and I up graded my receiver to the Yamaha and more watts
RMS to the same wires and speakers. It also sounded great.
BUT then I decided to try out the heaver gauge lamp cord speaker wiring
and WOW that made a heck of a difference. Higher and more crisp highs
for sure.
As far as the bare ended Monster speaker wires go I think you are paying
90% for appearance and maybe 10% improved performance over standard
speaker wire.
>
> In the final nut cutting, Monster cable is no different from a Festool,
> or a Stradivarius, in both perceived value to the user, and what he
> wants/needs/uses it for.
>
On 5/26/2016 12:37 PM, Leon wrote:
> Now if you are simply saying that the Monster instrument cable is
> better, quality wise, than what you can find anywhere else, I totally
> understand and would have to agree.
That's exactly what I been saying, over and over, cher! ;)
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On 5/26/2016 12:08 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> On Thursday, May 26, 2016 at 12:37:36 PM UTC-4, Swingman wrote:
>> On 5/26/2016 11:25 AM, Leon wrote:
>>
>>> I have a monster cable that originally was sold to me with my
>>> sub-wolfer, and it plugged into the Yamaha receiver/amp.
>>>
>
> ...snip...
>
>>
>> In the final nut cutting, Monster cable is no different from a Festool,
>> or a Stradivarius, in both perceived value to the user, and what he
>> wants/needs/uses it for.
>>
>
> Monster is currently Out Of Stock on it's Festool colored cable. I
> wonder if Leon bought it all up.
Maybe ... IIRC, we had the choice of a cap, a battery, or a green
Monster cable when we went to the Festool rodeo a couple of weeks back. lol
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On 5/26/2016 12:08 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> On Thursday, May 26, 2016 at 12:37:36 PM UTC-4, Swingman wrote:
>> On 5/26/2016 11:25 AM, Leon wrote:
>>
>>> I have a monster cable that originally was sold to me with my
>>> sub-wolfer, and it plugged into the Yamaha receiver/amp.
>>>
>
> ...snip...
>
>>
>> In the final nut cutting, Monster cable is no different from a Festool,
>> or a Stradivarius, in both perceived value to the user, and what he
>> wants/needs/uses it for.
>>
>
> Monster is currently Out Of Stock on it's Festool colored cable. I
> wonder if Leon bought it all up.
>
> https://www.monsterproducts.com/CI_Pro_14-4CAT5E_Bulk_Cable
>
Ohhhhhh!
On 2016-05-28, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> Google is your friend ...
Sorry, but Google has long ago ceased being anyone's friend.
nb
On 5/26/2016 12:37 PM, Leon wrote:
> As far as the bare ended Monster speaker wires go I think fools are paying
> 90% for appearance and maybe 10% improved performance over standard
> speaker wire.
FIFY ...
As a commercial recording studio owner/recording engineer for over 20
years, with hundreds of albums/recording projects under his belt (and
yes, that is indeed "hundreds") you're preaching straight at the choir. ;)
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On 5/27/2016 6:19 PM, krw wrote:
>> I'm guessing you have no worthwhile experience in this, your thoughts on
>> this as far as personal experience is likely as close to zero as mine is.
>
> You're calling Swing a liar? Nice.
He said I look foolish using Google rather than my personal experience.
I said he has no worthwhile experience in this, same as me. The very
next paragraph I offered him the opportunity to state his
qualifications. I didn't call him a liar, ever.
Learn how to read.
"Bonjour!" yourself, idiot!
>> Feel free to list your qualifications that would convince Claudia Fritz
>> and Sorbonne University that she should listen to your thoughts rather
>> that the slew of people she gathered to participate in the study. I'm
>> thinking (strongly) that you are the fool, not me, not Sorbonne
>> University, and not the group of top professionals gathered to fairly
>> evaluate the subject.
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On Mon, 30 May 2016 12:46:33 -0500, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 5/30/2016 12:23 PM, Markem wrote:
>
>> Your netcopping skills are seriously lacking, I use Win 7 Pro and use
>> Forte Agent 7.
>
>Better keep his day job, if he has one. Appears our script kiddie can't
>even read an nntp header.
If you all were closer I think you and Leon might have redone my
kitchen by now. But southern Illinois is not even close to Houston.
On 5/26/2016 10:44 AM, Leon wrote:
> On 5/26/2016 10:37 AM, Markem wrote:
>> Monster cable have alway been well made, the marketing was aimed at
>> the audiophools who would buy it cause of the sales pitch. Monster
>> speaker cables are a pia, the inner core (plastic fibers) make it a
>> real pain to strip and tin.
>>
>> The Strads have a long history of players who owned them and played
>> them, the history is a big part of the want of one.
>>
>
>
> IMHO Monster cables are probably 10 times more than you need for any
> equipment sold to 98% of the people.
Just like one of those old, expensive violins ... ;)
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On Thu, 26 May 2016 10:00:13 -0500, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 5/26/2016 5:36 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
>
>> When you refer to "monster cable bs" and say that the article is like
>> "monster cable bs", you are pretty much admitting that the article is
>> right because monster cable is BS.
>
>Only if you've confused the syntax difference between my "monster cable
>BS", versus your "monster cable _is_ BS".
>
>The argument about how Monster cable _sounds_ is arguably the BS part
>... just like with the Strad. In that regard, beauty is in the eye of
>the beholder, as it always is.
>
>And your confusion leaves out the unarguable fact that Monster cable is
>(or has been) a well made product with redeeming qualities other than
>it's individually, and subjectively perceived _sound_.
Monster cable have alway been well made, the marketing was aimed at
the audiophools who would buy it cause of the sales pitch. Monster
speaker cables are a pia, the inner core (plastic fibers) make it a
real pain to strip and tin.
The Strads have a long history of players who owned them and played
them, the history is a big part of the want of one.
On 5/28/2016 10:03 AM, notbob wrote:
> On 2016-05-28, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Google is your friend ...
>
> Sorry, but Google has long ago ceased being anyone's friend.
Shhhh ... you don't want to hurt a French model's feelings.
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On 5/23/2016 1:18 PM, Swingman wrote:
> On 5/23/2016 11:46 AM, Jack wrote:
>
>> I attribute it to hyperbolec acid, the main ingredient in many rare,
>> overpriced, works of art....
>
> LOL
>
> Visual art I agree, but the sound, and playability, of a particular
> instrument is an apples to oranges comparison to visual art.
I was not speaking of visual art at all, other than tongue in cheek. I
was speaking specifically to the art of building fine violins, guitars,
cellos and such, although it applies to art in spades.
> Recorded a Cremona (Amati) cello many times during a 25 year period.
>
> While I can attest that much of the sound of any instrument can come
> from the hands/touch of the player, this particular cello was owned by
> two different individuals, played by at least four on dozens of
> recordings during that time, both in my studio, and others.
>
> Having been asked asked on numerous occasions, have never failed to
> identify that particular instrument on a recording.
>
> That is the "acid" that brings the big bucks in that type of "art" ...
Unfortunately, for those choosing to spend their Texas oil money on a
$45 MILLION Strad, they would be better off choosing a modern, high end
piece that costs far, far, far less because in double blind tests, top
players on earth discovered they liked the newer ones more for both
sound and playability.
Fortunately, they would be paying for hyperbole and rarity more than
anything, and that does have a price, and in this case a huge one, just
like much fine art. In the case of the Strad, I'm sticking with
hyperbolec acid, first because it's true, and more than that, I made the
term up, and I'm sticking with it, I think it's a winner...
Someone in the biz said the reason no one has been able to find out
exactly what it is that makes the Strad sound so awesome, varnish, water
soaked, piss in varnish (made that one up) is because nothing does, they
don't sound or play any better than any other top of the line piece,
even if made a few days ago. So far, tests have proven this to be true,
and actually a bit the opposite, they sound and play a bit worse.
An interesting insight I recall reading, people tend to think the Strad,
if sounding a little less than anticipated, it's the players fault as he
is not up to the task. Can't be the Strad, must be me.
Same situation with a comparable top end piece, and it is "what do you
expect, it's not like it's a Strad"
I think this syndrome might come into play a bit with power tools, but
damn, sure don't want to get anyone's panty's in bunch...
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On 2016-05-23, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> One rumor for years has been that one of the secrets to the sound of a
> Stradivarius violin, and other Cremona instruments of the period, is
> that the wood was submerged for months, if not years, due to the water
> transport and ponding of logs during that time.
Rumors are mostly a projection of the individual who started them.
They are like the leaves in fall, an attention-getting brief
entrance but they are destined to rot on the ground.
Always remember... rumors are carried by haters, spread by fools,
and accepted by idiots. Those who feed on rumors are small,
suspicious simpletons.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/01/090122141228.htm
On 5/23/2016 8:32 PM, Markem wrote:
> On Mon, 23 May 2016 18:38:57 -0400, krw <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 23 May 2016 12:46:38 -0400, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> I attribute it to hyperbolec acid, the main ingredient in many rare,
>>> overpriced, works of art....
>>
>> More recently used by Monster Inc. and others to make "audiophool
>> grade" video cables, power cables, and such.
>
> Actually Monster Inc. cable and such did have a measurable difference.
> Not an audible difference though!
>
Most likely then the result of more sophisticated measuring equipment.
The cool thing is a lot of folks will swear there is a big difference,
just like those that think they can differentiate the sound of a Strad
vs a modern, super high end violin.
On the other hand, it is easy to determine the difference between
quality and junk, at least in most things. A $3 HF clamp vs a $50 Irwin
is not difficult to asses, even in the dark:-) I own some HF clamps,
and they were worth every penny...
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On 5/24/2016 10:32 AM, Swingman wrote:
> On 5/24/2016 8:44 AM, Jack wrote:
>
>> just like those that think they can differentiate the sound of a Strad
>> vs a modern, super high end violin.
>
> Admit it, Jack ... your discernment is so lacking you think
> Caitlin Jenner is beautiful.
>
I can barely tell a Strad from an electric organ, and it sure wasn't me
that wasted my time doing the testing to find out all the fuss was about
nothing. (talking about Strads, not Jenners new electric organ)
I wouldn't give $10 for a Strad if I was not allowed to immediately sell
it. I guess I would, I could hang it on my wall like an old pair of wood
skis, or a pair of old wood golf clubs.
Caitlin is on his own.
If you would like to learn what those that do have a high level of
"discernment" around violins, there sound and playability, I found just
the site for you:
http://phenomena.nationalgeographic.com/2014/04/07/stradivarius-violins-arent-better-than-new-ones-round-two/
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On Sun, 29 May 2016 09:52:02 -0500, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>Try my name, with some terms like: recording, music, violin, "heights
>sound studio", acoustic, cantiga, etc.
https://goo.gl/Qj754t
I will even make it easy for you Jack
On 5/31/2016 12:28 PM, krw wrote:
> On Tue, 31 May 2016 11:17:45 -0400, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> He has more personal experience than your weak Google searches can
>>> possibly come up with, Frenchy.
>>
>> My Google searches came up with a hit at National Geographic to a world
>> renowned double blind study conducted through a world renowned research
>> university by professional researchers, violinists and others.
>
> If you didn't have Google, you wouldn't be able to think - no brain of
> your own.
Well, I certainly didn't run out and buy 5 Stradivarius violins, and 7
other top end violins, learn to play them as well as world famous violin
guys, evaluate them using world renowned research scientists rather than
simply read what those that did all that had to say about it. Only an
idiot would find a problem with this method of information gathering,
and suggest doing it yourself.
>> All I could find is Swing plays a bass guitar in apparently a country
>> band and works part time in a recording studio. All that says is he can
>> play a bass and his ears work at least well enough to hang out in a
>> recording studio. (IE, he can hear.)
>
> ...and your expert ice? Google searching?
Give me a minute, I'll run out and buy $50-200 million in violins, learn
to play them, and evaluate them as an idiot would suggest. No wait, I
think I'll stick to reading what others that actually have the
experience have found out... Swing isn't one of them.
> You don't read well, either. At least you still have Google, so you
> might have enough intelligence to breathe.
You my friend, as many of your signatures suggest, are Clueless!
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On Tue, 31 May 2016 11:17:45 -0400, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 5/29/2016 9:54 AM, krw wrote:
>> On Sun, 29 May 2016 09:19:03 -0400, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/28/2016 5:16 PM, krw wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 28 May 2016 10:45:21 -0400, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 5/27/2016 6:19 PM, krw wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm guessing you have no worthwhile experience in this, your thoughts on
>>>>>>> this as far as personal experience is likely as close to zero as mine is.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You're calling Swing a liar? Nice.
>>>>>
>>>>> He said I look foolish using Google rather than my personal experience.
>>>>
>>>> ...and he was right. It's nuts to believe what you see on the
>>>> Internet over personal experience.
>
>>> So, you're saying Swing has personal experience evaluating a bunch of
>>> violins in a double blind study, and it's nuts to believe the flock of
>>> professionals gathered to do just that, simply because Google was used
>>> to locate the study reported on the National Geographic web site.
>>
>> He has more personal experience than your weak Google searches can
>> possibly come up with, Frenchy.
>
>My Google searches came up with a hit at National Geographic to a world
>renowned double blind study conducted through a world renowned research
>university by professional researchers, violinists and others.
If you didn't have Google, you wouldn't be able to think - no brain of
your own.
>
>All I could find is Swing plays a bass guitar in apparently a country
>band and works part time in a recording studio. All that says is he can
>play a bass and his ears work at least well enough to hang out in a
>recording studio. (IE, he can hear.)
...and your expert ice? Google searching?
>professionals that participated in the double blind studies that
>included 5 Stradivarius violins, any one of which is worth more that
>everyone's combined income in this newsgroup, plus 7 other high end
>violins, I think my Google searches are far from weak, in fact, just the
>opposite, and the more you fools twist in the breeze the funnier it gets.
>
>>> Idiot!
>
>> At least you can admit your deficiencies.
>
>In this case I was just stealing your thunder.
Yes, you were. You said it first but you indeed are the idiot here.
>Your MO is to say
>nothing worthwhile followed by either "Idiot" or "Clueless". Thought
>I'd beat your meaningless name calling to the punch. Now that I know
>you were speaking of you personal deficiencies, you at least make some
>sense.
You don't read well, either. At least you still have Google, so you
might have enough intelligence to breathe.
On 5/29/2016 4:25 PM, Markem wrote:
> On Sun, 29 May 2016 09:52:02 -0500, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Try my name, with some terms like: recording, music, violin, "heights
>> sound studio", acoustic, cantiga, etc.
>
> https://goo.gl/Qj754t
>
> I will even make it easy for you Jack
Thanks, and this will get you a lot more. LOL
https://www.google.com/search?q=karl+caillouet+music&rlz=1C1CHFX_enUS454US454&oq=karl+caillouet+music&aqs=chrome.0.69i59j69i60l3.9140j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#q=%22karl+caillouet%22+music
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On 5/24/2016 10:53 PM, Swingman wrote:
> On 5/24/2016 6:29 PM, Jack wrote:
>> If you would like to learn what those that do have a high level of
>> "discernment" around violins, there sound and playability, I found just
>> the site for you:
>>
>> http://phenomena.nationalgeographic.com/2014/04/07/stradivarius-violins-arent-better-than-new-ones-round-two/
> Yeah, nothing like a confirmation bias, Googled link if you don't have a
> clue, eh?
If by "confirmation bias" you mean I found a world renowned study
conducted by world renowned musicians, audiophiles, and scientists that
pretty much proves what I've said, then yes, I used Google to find
exactly what I've said is correct.
> You're missing the point, there's musical instrument collectors, then
> there are musicians.
You're missing the point, that the secret people are searching for
relating to Strads is that there *is no secret*, they don't sound any
better than modern day top of the line violins. Worse, you didn't
appear to take the time to read the Googled link I found to help you
learn something.
> A good musician, and particularly a world class musician, will pay
> whatever he can afford to own an instrument that both sounds wonderful
> to his ear when he plays it, and is a joy for him/her to play ... and
> often more than he can afford.
Yes, good, the best, musicians have more often than not found they liked
the sound and playability of modern top end violins than Strads, as long
as the choices were unbiased (double blind testing)
> Both elements increase the joy and satisfaction of playing music well.
And here I was thinking musicians would choose instruments that sound
crappy and sucked to play.... duh!
> An instrument could be worth $4k, or $400k to a collector.
or $45 million, the estimate the next strad will sell for. So what?
> Another unique thing about bowed instruments ... it is often the bow,
> not the instrument itself, which is responsible for bringing out the
> tone of a particular instrument. Many bows are far more costly than the
> actual instrument the musician chooses.
Of course a flock of world renowned experts studying this issue never
thought of this, but you did? Really, had you read the article sent to
enlighten you, you would have seen this was taken into account.
> And another one of the reasons why it is difficult for anyone but the
> player to ultimately discern the difference, and also why it is
> impossible to set up an accurate test of which instruments sounds better
> to the audience ... even if the audience is made up of other
> accomplished musicians ... way too many variables.
Yeah, lots of variables, and lots were taken into account. Just getting
access to a flock of priceless violins, musicians, auditoriums and so on
is quite intriguing.
Too bad they didn't just call you for some real expert information.
Could have saved a ton of time, effort, and money.
> That's why you don't have a clue that the link you posted is from the
> exact same mindset you're decrying with regard to the "sound" of a
> Monster cable.
Someone don't have a clue, that's fer sure. As far as "mindset" goes,
the studies conducted were by people that actually are interested in
this crap. Perhaps you should send 'em an email offering your services,
so they don't make any more costly mistakes...
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On 5/30/2016 9:50 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> Let's be honest. The only reason we can't find a criminal record for
> you is because you paid this guy to remove all traces. (This is an
> actual copy/paste from the ole interweb)
>
> "Experienced hacker offering his services
> Legal or the other way Hacking and social engineering is my business
> for some decade now never had a real job so i had the time ..."
Yep, our resident sock puppet/script kiddie's resume.
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On Thursday, May 26, 2016 at 8:11:28 PM UTC-4, Swingman wrote:
> On 5/26/2016 5:50 PM, Larry Blanchard wrote:
> > Fifteen or so responses to this thread, and nary a mention of the
> > subject. Are we using Monster cables to haul up those logs?
>
> > I feel for the poor newbie who tries to figure out what the two have in
> > common,
...snip...
>
> Count your blessing, we haven't even gotten to the electrical part of
> the thread yet ...
I'm shocked that you even brought that up.
On 6/3/2016 10:34 AM, Jack wrote:
> Hell no. I like the word I invented, I'm proud as punch someone else
> used it, even if incorrectly.
My three year old grandson does that all the time also...
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On Mon, 30 May 2016 06:13:40 -0500, "Fred Parrott" <[email protected]>
wrote: nothing of real substance
So you replace the link with your own, makes one wonder as to how you
Mr. Parrot was raised?
>On 5/29/2016 4:25 PM, Markem wrote:
>> On Sun, 29 May 2016 09:52:02 -0500, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Try my name, with some terms like: recording, music, violin, "heights
>>> sound studio", acoustic, cantiga, etc.
>>
>> http://i.imgur.com/k5tVM84.jpg
>>
>> I will even make it easy for you Jack
>
> FIFY ...
>
>
> | |
> |Markem|
> |______|_ _ _ _ o ( )OO)()(()))
> / __ \ \ \ \ o OO )OoOOo)()()
>| / \-\ | | | |-----OoO))()(
>|(o | | | | | Karl O00)
>| \__/-/ / / / /------Oooo()
> \_____|__/_/_/_/ ( /
> \____\____/
>
>http://i.imgur.com/k5tVM84.jpg
>
>
>
>
On 5/29/2016 11:51 PM, OFWW wrote:
> ROTFL~ Found this in your listings,...
> "Did you know Karl Caillouet's criminal history is searchable?"
Save your money.
It'll just make you wonder how they make any money at all. LOL
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On 5/26/2016 2:33 PM, OFWW wrote:
> On Thu, 26 May 2016 12:37:00 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
> wrote:
>
>> On 5/26/2016 11:37 AM, Swingman wrote:
>>> On 5/26/2016 11:25 AM, Leon wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have a monster cable that originally was sold to me with my
>>>> sub-wolfer, and it plugged into the Yamaha receiver/amp.
>>>>
>>>> In our new home the Yamaha sub out is plugged into the wall, on the
>>>> opposite side of the room the monster cable is plugged into the wall for
>>>> the sub. Moot point at this stage I guess. ;~)
>>>
>>> I never bought a Monster cable for audio purposes, only took one
>>> listening session in the studio environment to determine that the
>>> expensive was not justified ... IOW, no bang for the buck.
>>>
>>> As I stated in another post, I own a Monster cable "instrument cable",
>>> which I use for my basses ... and often in the studio when a player
>>> being recorded was having problem with hum ... it is right up there with
>>> the best ones I've owned.
>>
>> Not trying to argue with you here but in most all cases the cable,
>> Monster or otherwise, are a link between units. Now if you are simply
>> saying that the Monster instrument cable is better, quality wise, than
>> what you can find anywhere else, I totally understand and would have to
>> agree.
>>
>> My issue with what I used to see was that Monster cables speaker wire
>> were simply wiring with insulation. It had no ends other than stripped
>> away insulation. As I recall the cable inside the insulation appeared
>> to be 1/4" thick. As it exited and was bare wire, but soldered on the
>> end, it looked like 14 gauge wire. I thought smoke and mirrors. No
>> doubt it was better than regular home stereo speaker wire but I
>> seriously doubt any better for the price than lamp cord, which was
>> probably 8~10 times heavier than speaker wire.
>>
>> Waaaaaay back when I had 4 relative large home speakers. Each had 12
>> woofers, mid-range and tweeters and for years I was using regular
>> speaker wire to power them from a Techniques 85 watt per channel RMS
>> receiver. That was in the mid 70's to early 90's and it sounded great.
>> FF to mid 90's and I up graded my receiver to the Yamaha and more watts
>> RMS to the same wires and speakers. It also sounded great.
>>
>> BUT then I decided to try out the heaver gauge lamp cord speaker wiring
>> and WOW that made a heck of a difference. Higher and more crisp highs
>> for sure.
>>
>> As far as the bare ended Monster speaker wires go I think you are paying
>> 90% for appearance and maybe 10% improved performance over standard
>> speaker wire.
>>
>
> As I recall on Monster speaker wires, they also have a higher strand
> count than lamp cord, and about the same overall copper diameter than
> 16 gauge cord.
>
> For me seeing the different colored wire through the clear HD but
> flexible insulation was worth it for the speaker wire. The only
> problem they haven't found a fix for is to puppy proof the wiring.
On to make the speaker wiring less gaudy.
On 5/26/2016 5:50 PM, Larry Blanchard wrote:
> Fifteen or so responses to this thread, and nary a mention of the
> subject. Are we using Monster cables to haul up those logs?
> I feel for the poor newbie who tries to figure out what the two have in
> common.
That perceived value is impossible to determine, even if only one sale
sets the classic definition of market value, except that the market is
constantly in flux due to opinion, false positives, negative negatives,
positive positives, vice versas, verse vice, resulting in what it's
worth today, may not be that tomorrow, subject to seasonal adjustments,
tide tables. climate change, and whatever tomorrow may bring ... to the
extent allowed by law.
Now, see how easy that was ...
Count your blessing, we haven't even gotten to the electrical part of
the thread yet ...
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On Monday, May 30, 2016 at 9:59:22 AM UTC-4, Swingman wrote:
> On 5/29/2016 11:51 PM, OFWW wrote:
>
> > ROTFL~ Found this in your listings,...
> > "Did you know Karl Caillouet's criminal history is searchable?"
>
> Save your money.
> It'll just make you wonder how they make any money at all. LOL
>
Let's be honest. The only reason we can't find a criminal record for
you is because you paid this guy to remove all traces. (This is an
actual copy/paste from the ole interweb)
"Experienced hacker offering his services
Legal or the other way Hacking and social engineering is my business
for some decade now never had a real job so i had the time
I made a good amount of money last 20 years
I have worked for other people before now im also offering my
services for everyone with enough cash here
Prices
Im not doing this to make a few bucks here and there im not
from some crappy eastern europe country and happy to scam
people for 50 euro
Im a proffessional computer expert who could earn 50 100 euro
an hour with a legal job
So stop reading if you dont have a serious problem worth spending
some cash at
Technical skills
Web HTML PHP SQL APACHE
Assembler Delphi
0day Exploits Highly personalized trojans Bots DDOS
Spear Phishing Attacks to get accounts from selected account
Alot of experience with security practices inside big corporations
What we do
We hack something technically
Causing alot of technical trouble on websites networks to
disrupt their service with DDOS and other methods.
Getting private information from other
Changing of grades. SAT university grades and so on
Defacing a website and removing bad blogs or post
We also Wire money to bank accounts
Erasing your name from government website
whatever you like
You can contact me on (email and phone was provided but snipped)"
On 2016-05-27, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> That perceived value is impossible to determine, even if only one sale
> sets the classic definition of market value, except that the market is
> constantly in flux due to opinion, false positives, negative negatives,
> positive positives, vice versas, verse vice, resulting in what it's
> worth today, may not be that tomorrow, subject to seasonal adjustments,
> tide tables. climate change, and whatever tomorrow may bring ...
OK, what's the actual abv of the snake oil yer selling? ;)
nb
On Thursday, May 26, 2016 at 3:34:01 PM UTC-4, OFWW wrote:
> On Thu, 26 May 2016 12:37:00 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
> wrote:
>
> >On 5/26/2016 11:37 AM, Swingman wrote:
> >> On 5/26/2016 11:25 AM, Leon wrote:
> >>
> >>> I have a monster cable that originally was sold to me with my
> >>> sub-wolfer, and it plugged into the Yamaha receiver/amp.
> >>>
> >>> In our new home the Yamaha sub out is plugged into the wall, on the
> >>> opposite side of the room the monster cable is plugged into the wall for
> >>> the sub. Moot point at this stage I guess. ;~)
> >>
> >> I never bought a Monster cable for audio purposes, only took one
> >> listening session in the studio environment to determine that the
> >> expensive was not justified ... IOW, no bang for the buck.
> >>
> >> As I stated in another post, I own a Monster cable "instrument cable",
> >> which I use for my basses ... and often in the studio when a player
> >> being recorded was having problem with hum ... it is right up there with
> >> the best ones I've owned.
> >
> >Not trying to argue with you here but in most all cases the cable,
> >Monster or otherwise, are a link between units. Now if you are simply
> >saying that the Monster instrument cable is better, quality wise, than
> >what you can find anywhere else, I totally understand and would have to
> >agree.
> >
> >My issue with what I used to see was that Monster cables speaker wire
> >were simply wiring with insulation. It had no ends other than stripped
> >away insulation. As I recall the cable inside the insulation appeared
> >to be 1/4" thick. As it exited and was bare wire, but soldered on the
> >end, it looked like 14 gauge wire. I thought smoke and mirrors. No
> >doubt it was better than regular home stereo speaker wire but I
> >seriously doubt any better for the price than lamp cord, which was
> >probably 8~10 times heavier than speaker wire.
> >
> >Waaaaaay back when I had 4 relative large home speakers. Each had 12
> >woofers, mid-range and tweeters and for years I was using regular
> >speaker wire to power them from a Techniques 85 watt per channel RMS
> >receiver. That was in the mid 70's to early 90's and it sounded great.
> >FF to mid 90's and I up graded my receiver to the Yamaha and more watts
> >RMS to the same wires and speakers. It also sounded great.
> >
> >BUT then I decided to try out the heaver gauge lamp cord speaker wiring
> >and WOW that made a heck of a difference. Higher and more crisp highs
> >for sure.
> >
> >As far as the bare ended Monster speaker wires go I think you are paying
> >90% for appearance and maybe 10% improved performance over standard
> >speaker wire.
> >
>
> As I recall on Monster speaker wires, they also have a higher strand
> count than lamp cord, and about the same overall copper diameter than
> 16 gauge cord.
>
> For me seeing the different colored wire through the clear HD but
> flexible insulation was worth it for the speaker wire. The only
> problem they haven't found a fix for is to puppy proof the wiring.
>
My neighbor had to wrap just about every cord and cable in his house with this
in order to cat-proof it:
http://img.alibaba.com/wsphoto/359272044/Free-Shipping-wholesale-5pcs-set-Spiral-wire-management.jpg
One of his cats will chew through any type of cable/cord. Speaker wire, coax, phone
charger, you name it. She's tripped GFCI's more times than he can count.
He tried various other wraps but they didn't work. It seems that they don't like
the hard plastic of that spiral wrap so he's good (for now).
On 5/30/2016 7:27 AM, Markem wrote:
> On Mon, 30 May 2016 06:13:40 -0500, "Fred Parrott" <[email protected]>
> wrote: nothing of real substance
>
> So you replace the link with your own, makes one wonder as to how you
> Mr. Parrot was raised?
I find it more than coincidental that certain posters disappear when
sock puppets appear and visa versa.
On Sun, 29 May 2016 16:39:58 -0500, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 5/29/2016 4:25 PM, Markem wrote:
>> On Sun, 29 May 2016 09:52:02 -0500, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Try my name, with some terms like: recording, music, violin, "heights
>>> sound studio", acoustic, cantiga, etc.
>>
>> https://goo.gl/Qj754t
>>
>> I will even make it easy for you Jack
>
>Thanks, and this will get you a lot more. LOL
>
>https://www.google.com/search?q=karl+caillouet+music&rlz=1C1CHFX_enUS454US454&oq=karl+caillouet+music&aqs=chrome.0.69i59j69i60l3.9140j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#q=%22karl+caillouet%22+music
ROTFL~ Found this in your listings,...
"Did you know Karl Caillouet's criminal history is searchable?"
On another note, quite an amazing Family, My condolences on those that
are gone from us.
On Thu, 2 Jun 2016 11:20:10 -0400, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 5/31/2016 12:28 PM, krw wrote:
>> On Tue, 31 May 2016 11:17:45 -0400, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>>> He has more personal experience than your weak Google searches can
>>>> possibly come up with, Frenchy.
>>>
>>> My Google searches came up with a hit at National Geographic to a world
>>> renowned double blind study conducted through a world renowned research
>>> university by professional researchers, violinists and others.
>>
>> If you didn't have Google, you wouldn't be able to think - no brain of
>> your own.
>
>Well, I certainly didn't run out and buy 5 Stradivarius violins, and 7
>other top end violins, learn to play them as well as world famous violin
>guys, evaluate them using world renowned research scientists rather than
>simply read what those that did all that had to say about it. Only an
>idiot would find a problem with this method of information gathering,
>and suggest doing it yourself.
>
>>> All I could find is Swing plays a bass guitar in apparently a country
>>> band and works part time in a recording studio. All that says is he can
>>> play a bass and his ears work at least well enough to hang out in a
>>> recording studio. (IE, he can hear.)
>>
>> ...and your expert ice? Google searching?
>
>Give me a minute, I'll run out and buy $50-200 million in violins, learn
>to play them, and evaluate them as an idiot would suggest. No wait, I
>think I'll stick to reading what others that actually have the
>experience have found out... Swing isn't one of them.
Nor did you rely on any evidence of your own before trashing someone
who has. Not smart but expected.
>
>> You don't read well, either. At least you still have Google, so you
>> might have enough intelligence to breathe.
>
>You my friend, as many of your signatures suggest, are Clueless!
IKYABWAI? Fits your mental age perfectly.
On 6/3/2016 9:40 AM, Jack wrote:
> If pointing this out to you fools is what you consider "trashing" then
> quoting the resident idiot: "One word: Bonjour!"
That hyperbolec acid you mentioned eating at you, Jack?
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On Thu, 26 May 2016 14:01:54 -0700, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> On Thursday, May 26, 2016 at 3:34:01 PM UTC-4, OFWW wrote:
>> On Thu, 26 May 2016 12:37:00 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>>
>> >On 5/26/2016 11:37 AM, Swingman wrote:
>> >> On 5/26/2016 11:25 AM, Leon wrote:
Fifteen or so responses to this thread, and nary a mention of the
subject. Are we using Monster cables to haul up those logs?
I feel for the poor newbie who tries to figure out what the two have in
common.
See my followup.
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On 6/2/2016 12:51 PM, krw wrote:
>>> >>...and your expert ice? Google searching?
>> >Give me a minute, I'll run out and buy $50-200 million in violins, learn
>> >to play them, and evaluate them as an idiot would suggest. No wait, I
>> >think I'll stick to reading what others that actually have the
>> >experience have found out... Swing isn't one of them.
> Nor did you rely on any evidence of your own before trashing someone
> who has. Not smart but expected.
Whelp, still no evidence that Swing has played any Strad let alone 5 of
them along with 7 other modern day equivalent violins, so his first hand
experience is the same as mine, zero. That's not "trashing" anyone.
The "trashing" started from Swing, when he said, and I quote:
"Admit it, Jack ... your discernment is so lacking you think
Caitlin Jenner is beautiful."
When I referred him to the study that explains clearly that my personal
"discernment" with regard to Strads was not the issue, he reply's with:
"Yeah, nothing like a confirmation bias, Googled link if you don't have
a clue, eh?"
That was a particularly stupid thing to say, considering the study
referred was from a world renowned research institute with world
renowned equipment, players and so on. Questioning the study is fine,
but attacking someone for citing the study is ignorant, imbecilic,
idiotic and clueless. If pointing this out to you fools is what you
consider "trashing" then quoting the resident idiot: "One word: Bonjour!"
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On 6/2/2016 6:01 PM, Markem wrote:
> On Thu, 2 Jun 2016 11:20:10 -0400, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> No wait, I
>> think I'll stick to reading what others that actually have the
>> experience have found out... Swing isn't one of them.
>
> I believe long ago in this thread Swing said he had read the study you
> found on google, probably when it was published.
Yes, he said that but his memory must have failed him because he ignored
about everything it found, including the fact that they used various
bows when conducting the study.
I must have read the study as well, as it explicitly states that the
reason the "secret" to the Strads is hard to find is there is no
"secret", it plays about the same as a modern day high end violin, and
in fact, 62% of the time, modern day high end violins were picked as
better than the Strads. And no, I did not PERSONALLY say this, I only
read about it.
The study was conducted as a double blind study at a research institute,
designed to eliminate as much hyperbolec acid as possible. What this
means is when someone is playing/hearing a multi-million dollar violin,
and *don't know it*, vs a modern day high end violin, they more often
than not, pick the modern day violin.
Very hard to find a "secret" that doesn't exist, but if you, Kevin, or
Swing have conducted personal studies that contradict this study, I
suggest you send the results to Claudia Fritz at Sorbonne University.
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On 6/3/2016 11:06 AM, Swingman wrote:
> On 6/3/2016 9:40 AM, Jack wrote:
>
>> If pointing this out to you fools is what you consider "trashing" then
>> quoting the resident idiot: "One word: Bonjour!"
>
> That hyperbolec acid you mentioned eating at you, Jack?
Hell no. I like the word I invented, I'm proud as punch someone else
used it, even if incorrectly. I'm thinking of sending it off to
Claudia, she could use it in her research:-)
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On 6/3/2016 11:48 AM, Swingman wrote:
> On 6/3/2016 10:34 AM, Jack wrote:
>
>> Hell no. I like the word I invented, I'm proud as punch someone else
>> used it, even if incorrectly.
>
> My three year old grandson does that all the time also...
>
I wouldn't expect a 3 year old to use every word correctly, all the time.
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On Thu, 26 May 2016 12:37:00 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
>On 5/26/2016 11:37 AM, Swingman wrote:
>> On 5/26/2016 11:25 AM, Leon wrote:
>>
>>> I have a monster cable that originally was sold to me with my
>>> sub-wolfer, and it plugged into the Yamaha receiver/amp.
>>>
>>> In our new home the Yamaha sub out is plugged into the wall, on the
>>> opposite side of the room the monster cable is plugged into the wall for
>>> the sub. Moot point at this stage I guess. ;~)
>>
>> I never bought a Monster cable for audio purposes, only took one
>> listening session in the studio environment to determine that the
>> expensive was not justified ... IOW, no bang for the buck.
>>
>> As I stated in another post, I own a Monster cable "instrument cable",
>> which I use for my basses ... and often in the studio when a player
>> being recorded was having problem with hum ... it is right up there with
>> the best ones I've owned.
>
>Not trying to argue with you here but in most all cases the cable,
>Monster or otherwise, are a link between units. Now if you are simply
>saying that the Monster instrument cable is better, quality wise, than
>what you can find anywhere else, I totally understand and would have to
>agree.
>
>My issue with what I used to see was that Monster cables speaker wire
>were simply wiring with insulation. It had no ends other than stripped
>away insulation. As I recall the cable inside the insulation appeared
>to be 1/4" thick. As it exited and was bare wire, but soldered on the
>end, it looked like 14 gauge wire. I thought smoke and mirrors. No
>doubt it was better than regular home stereo speaker wire but I
>seriously doubt any better for the price than lamp cord, which was
>probably 8~10 times heavier than speaker wire.
>
>Waaaaaay back when I had 4 relative large home speakers. Each had 12
>woofers, mid-range and tweeters and for years I was using regular
>speaker wire to power them from a Techniques 85 watt per channel RMS
>receiver. That was in the mid 70's to early 90's and it sounded great.
>FF to mid 90's and I up graded my receiver to the Yamaha and more watts
>RMS to the same wires and speakers. It also sounded great.
>
>BUT then I decided to try out the heaver gauge lamp cord speaker wiring
>and WOW that made a heck of a difference. Higher and more crisp highs
>for sure.
>
>As far as the bare ended Monster speaker wires go I think you are paying
>90% for appearance and maybe 10% improved performance over standard
>speaker wire.
>
As I recall on Monster speaker wires, they also have a higher strand
count than lamp cord, and about the same overall copper diameter than
16 gauge cord.
For me seeing the different colored wire through the clear HD but
flexible insulation was worth it for the speaker wire. The only
problem they haven't found a fix for is to puppy proof the wiring.
>
>
>
>
>
>>
>> In the final nut cutting, Monster cable is no different from a Festool,
>> or a Stradivarius, in both perceived value to the user, and what he
>> wants/needs/uses it for.
>>
On Thu, 2 Jun 2016 11:20:10 -0400, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
>No wait, I
>think I'll stick to reading what others that actually have the
>experience have found out... Swing isn't one of them.
I believe long ago in this thread Swing said he had read the study you
found on google, probably when it was published.
On 5/25/2016 12:03 PM, Swingman wrote:
> On 5/25/2016 10:07 AM, Jack wrote:
>
>> Really, had you read the article sent to enlighten you, you would have
>> seen this was taken into account.
>
> Well before you obvioulsy did, actually ... a few years ago when it was
> published, along with the many opinionated discussions/rebuttals for
> months afterwards.
Funny, when you mentioned the bow thing, as if they hadn't thought of
that, it made me think you hadn't read the article. Besides of course,
that your thoughts fly in the face of what a flock of top violin makers,
players, professionals, experts, audiophiles, scientists found after
taken the time and money to invest in a couple of in depth studies.
You seem to think my personal lack of "discernment" with regards to
Strads vs other quality violins, or your personal ear for this stuff
qualifies either of us to refute what a flock of these folks have learned?
> As previously stated ... just like with the Monster cable BS
> Old news ... you would have known that if you hadn't had to post a
> Google link to do your thinking/talking on the subject.
I guess you think I should assemble a flock of violin experts along with
a MILLIONS of dollars of top of the line violins, rent a symphony
auditorium etc, etc and form my own opinion on this?
Really, I have NO interest in doing this, and doing a Google search
seemed the best way to enlighten you, not me. Apparently I had read
about the study before, possibly before you did which seems important to
you. The Google search nailed it in about two seconds or less, to
confirm my thoughts.
Google is your friend.
In case you're still confused, my thoughts are really someone else's
thoughts. I have never played a Strad or heard one at a live
performance other than possibly on TV. and then it would have been only
long enough for me the change the station, unless it was about the
building of damn thing.
Even if I did, my opinion would be irrelevant, subject to the hyperbolec
acid effect, pro or con. (I Still like my new word)
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On 5/30/2016 10:56 AM, Markem wrote:
> As trolls they seem to be rather pathetic. Someone seems to have a
> problem with you and Karl from the past. To bad they are just dying,
> not living.
Price of fame, fortune ... and festool. ;)
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On 5/30/2016 12:52 PM, Fred Parrott wrote:
> On 5/30/2016 9:25 AM,, Leon wrote:
>> On 5/30/2016 7:27 AM, Markem wrote:
>>> On Mon, 30 May 2016 06:13:40 -0500, "Fred Parrott" <[email protected]>
>>> wrote: nothing of real substance
>>>
>>> So you replace the link with your own, makes one wonder as to how you
>>> Mr. Parrot was raised?
>>
>> I find it more than coincidental that certain posters disappear when
>> sock puppets appear and visa versa.
>
> We find it more than coincidental that both you and Karl replied
> through Giganews from the same IP, from the same computer running
> Windows 7 using Thunderbird 45.1.0, exactly 3 minutes apart.
>
> In fact, it transcends coincidental and is just downright GAY!
> (Which one of you girls made breakfast this AM? :D)
>
>
>
>
I find it strange that anyone cares enough to actually check that out.
On Mon, 30 May 2016 09:25:04 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
>On 5/30/2016 7:27 AM, Markem wrote:
>> On Mon, 30 May 2016 06:13:40 -0500, "Fred Parrott" <[email protected]>
>> wrote: nothing of real substance
>>
>> So you replace the link with your own, makes one wonder as to how you
>> Mr. Parrot was raised?
>
>I find it more than coincidental that certain posters disappear when
>sock puppets appear and visa versa.
As trolls they seem to be rather pathetic. Someone seems to have a
problem with you and Karl from the past. To bad they are just dying,
not living.
On 5/30/2016 10:56 AM, Markem wrote:
> On Mon, 30 May 2016 09:25:04 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
> wrote:
>
>> On 5/30/2016 7:27 AM, Markem wrote:
>>> On Mon, 30 May 2016 06:13:40 -0500, "Fred Parrott" <[email protected]>
>>> wrote: nothing of real substance
>>>
>>> So you replace the link with your own, makes one wonder as to how you
>>> Mr. Parrot was raised?
>>
>> I find it more than coincidental that certain posters disappear when
>> sock puppets appear and visa versa.
>
> As trolls they seem to be rather pathetic. Someone seems to have a
> problem with you and Karl from the past. To bad they are just dying,
> not living.
>
While their names change the personalities are the same.
On 5/30/2016 9:25 AM,, Leon wrote:
>On 5/30/2016 7:27 AM, Markem wrote:
>> On Mon, 30 May 2016 06:13:40 -0500, "Fred Parrott" <[email protected]>
>> wrote: nothing of real substance
>>
>> So you replace the link with your own, makes one wonder as to how you
>> Mr. Parrot was raised?
>
> I find it more than coincidental that certain posters disappear when
> sock puppets appear and visa versa.
We find it more than coincidental that both you and Karl replied
through Giganews from the same IP, from the same computer running
Windows 7 using Thunderbird 45.1.0, exactly 3 minutes apart.
In fact, it transcends coincidental and is just downright GAY!
(Which one of you girls made breakfast this AM? :D)
On 5/26/2016 11:56 AM, Swingman wrote:
> On 5/26/2016 9:01 AM, Jack wrote:
>>
>> You seem to think my personal lack of "discernment" with regards to
>> Strads vs other quality violins, or your personal ear for this stuff
>> qualifies either of us to refute what a flock of these folks have
>> learned?
>
> Just been pointing out that some of remark upon a subject with an
> experienced based observation; while others, as you did, must rely on
> Google.
Sorry Swing, your experience with this is as close to zero as mine is,
Assuming you never participated in a double blind study with millions of
dollars worth of violins, played and evaluated by the who's who of
violins and numerous students of the art.
> You just haven't snapped that Google is both a piss poor replacement for
> actual experience, and makes you look naive and foolish at the same time.
You haven't figured out that Google is a valuable resource at your
finger tips? Google provides access to information heretofore
unavailable to the masses w/o much effort and expense. Sorry you only
rely on your personal experiences. I see you wondering around
aimlessly, trying to reinvent the wheel at every turn. Must be tough
being you. I suggest you learn how to use Google, it's RAD, dude.
I'm guessing you have no worthwhile experience in this, your thoughts on
this as far as personal experience is likely as close to zero as mine is.
Feel free to list your qualifications that would convince Claudia Fritz
and Sorbonne University that she should listen to your thoughts rather
that the slew of people she gathered to participate in the study. I'm
thinking (strongly) that you are the fool, not me, not Sorbonne
University, and not the group of top professionals gathered to fairly
evaluate the subject.
> Or did you forget this?
>
> On 5/24/2016 6:29 PM, Jack wrote:
> > I can barely tell a Strad from an electric organ,
No, I didn't forget it. It was meant to stop you from attacking my
comments on someone else's study as if they were based on my personal
experiences. People that actually do have personal experience playing
with Strads and other top of the line violins discovered that their
personal experience turned out to be biased, greatly effected by
hyperbolec acid I spoke of. What's your experience?
> Nuff said ...
I'll say.
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On Mon, 30 May 2016 16:33:17 -0400, Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 5/30/2016 12:52 PM, Fred Parrott wrote:
>> On 5/30/2016 9:25 AM,, Leon wrote:
>>> On 5/30/2016 7:27 AM, Markem wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 30 May 2016 06:13:40 -0500, "Fred Parrott" <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote: nothing of real substance
>>>>
>>>> So you replace the link with your own, makes one wonder as to how you
>>>> Mr. Parrot was raised?
>>>
>>> I find it more than coincidental that certain posters disappear when
>>> sock puppets appear and visa versa.
>>
>> We find it more than coincidental that both you and Karl replied
>> through Giganews from the same IP, from the same computer running
>> Windows 7 using Thunderbird 45.1.0, exactly 3 minutes apart.
>>
>> In fact, it transcends coincidental and is just downright GAY!
>> (Which one of you girls made breakfast this AM? :D)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>I find it strange that anyone cares enough to actually check that out.
Or make the obvious, provable, lie.
On Fri, 3 Jun 2016 10:06:51 -0500, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 6/3/2016 9:40 AM, Jack wrote:
>
>> If pointing this out to you fools is what you consider "trashing" then
>> quoting the resident idiot: "One word: Bonjour!"
>
>That hyperbolec acid you mentioned eating at you, Jack?
I think he dropped it.
On 5/30/2016 12:23 PM, Markem wrote:
>On Mon, 30 May 2016 11:52:51 -0500, "Fred Parrott" <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>On 5/30/2016 9:25 AM,, Leon wrote:
>>>On 5/30/2016 7:27 AM, Markem wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 30 May 2016 06:13:40 -0500, "Fred Parrott" <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote: nothing of real substance
>>>>
>>>> So you replace the link with your own, makes one wonder as to how you
>>>> Mr. Parrot was raised?
>>>
>>> I find it more than coincidental that certain posters disappear when
>>> sock puppets appear and visa versa.
>>
>>We find it more than coincidental that both you and Karl replied
>>through Giganews from the same IP, from the same computer running
>>Windows 7 using Thunderbird 45.1.0, exactly 3 minutes apart.
>>
>>In fact, it transcends coincidental and is just downright GAY!
>>(Which one of you girls made breakfast this AM? :D)
>
> Your netcopping skills are seriously lacking, I use Win 7 Pro and use
> Forte Agent 7. Either that or you are seriously impaired with mind
> altering substances.
Perhaps if you could actually comprehend a THREADED Usenet
discussion you'd understand what a ignorant puddle of fuck-drippings
you just proved yourself to be.
(FREE KLUE: I was replying to Leon :D)
On Mon, 23 May 2016 12:46:38 -0400, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 5/23/2016 12:10 PM, Swingman wrote:
>> On 5/23/2016 8:54 AM, Sonny wrote:
>
>> One rumor for years has been that one of the secrets to the sound of a
>> Stradivarius violin, and other Cremona instruments of the period, is
>> that the wood was submerged for months, if not years, due to the water
>> transport and ponding of logs during that time.
>>
>> Although a spectroscopy study done a few years ago did not prove that
>> was the case, it also did not disprove it, and some of the chemicals
>> found, that are not found in wood, during analysis of the wood could
>> have been done by "aqueous" treatments.
>
>I attribute it to hyperbolec acid, the main ingredient in many rare,
>overpriced, works of art....
More recently used by Monster Inc. and others to make "audiophool
grade" video cables, power cables, and such.
On Mon, 23 May 2016 18:38:57 -0400, krw <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Mon, 23 May 2016 12:46:38 -0400, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On 5/23/2016 12:10 PM, Swingman wrote:
>>> On 5/23/2016 8:54 AM, Sonny wrote:
>>
>>> One rumor for years has been that one of the secrets to the sound of a
>>> Stradivarius violin, and other Cremona instruments of the period, is
>>> that the wood was submerged for months, if not years, due to the water
>>> transport and ponding of logs during that time.
>>>
>>> Although a spectroscopy study done a few years ago did not prove that
>>> was the case, it also did not disprove it, and some of the chemicals
>>> found, that are not found in wood, during analysis of the wood could
>>> have been done by "aqueous" treatments.
>>
>>I attribute it to hyperbolec acid, the main ingredient in many rare,
>>overpriced, works of art....
>
>More recently used by Monster Inc. and others to make "audiophool
>grade" video cables, power cables, and such.
Actually Monster Inc. cable and such did have a measurable difference.
Not an audible difference though!
On 5/31/2016 9:23 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
> You seem more interested in insulting Jack than in actually arriving at
> any kind of truth.
Is there more than one kind?
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On 5/31/2016 10:40 AM, Jack wrote:
> On 5/29/2016 10:52 AM, Swingman wrote:
>> Can we do the same with your name on the subject of evaluating the sound
>> of acoustic instruments?
>
> This isn't about me, I never did, never will and don't particularly want
> to participate in a study of multimillion dollar violins. I do use
> Google though ...
Nicely proving the point you were ignorant of the subject to begin with.
You keep stumbling on your own words, Jack.
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On 6/2/2016 10:18 AM, Jack wrote:
> Anyway, glad to see you questioning Swing, you put your ass on the line
> from him, and all those pissing in his pocket. It's sort of a click, a
> thin skinned, pompous click at that.
_clique_
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On 5/26/2016 12:30 PM, Markem wrote:
> On Thu, 26 May 2016 11:05:42 -0500, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On 5/26/2016 10:37 AM, Markem wrote:
>>
>>> Monster cable have alway been well made, the marketing was aimed at
>>> the audiophools who would buy it cause of the sales pitch
>>
>> Same folks that run presidential campaigns for the votingphools ...
>>
>>> The Strads have a long history of players who owned them and played
>>> them, the history is a big part of the want of one.
>>
>> To a collector ...
>
> Some of the artists too ....
Yep, like they say (correctly, by definition) 50%of any group falls on
the left side of the bell curve.
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In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
>
> On 5/31/2016 10:40 AM, Jack wrote:
> > On 5/29/2016 10:52 AM, Swingman wrote:
>
> >> Can we do the same with your name on the subject of evaluating the sound
> >> of acoustic instruments?
> >
> > This isn't about me, I never did, never will and don't particularly want
> > to participate in a study of multimillion dollar violins. I do use
> > Google though ...
>
> Nicely proving the point you were ignorant of the subject to begin with.
>
> You keep stumbling on your own words, Jack.
You seem more interested in insulting Jack than in actually arriving at
any kind of truth.
On Thu, 26 May 2016 11:05:42 -0500, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 5/26/2016 10:37 AM, Markem wrote:
>
>> Monster cable have alway been well made, the marketing was aimed at
>> the audiophools who would buy it cause of the sales pitch
>
>Same folks that run presidential campaigns for the votingphools ...
>
>> The Strads have a long history of players who owned them and played
>> them, the history is a big part of the want of one.
>
>To a collector ...
Some of the artists too ....
On 5/28/2016 5:16 PM, krw wrote:
> On Sat, 28 May 2016 10:45:21 -0400, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On 5/27/2016 6:19 PM, krw wrote:
>>
>>>> I'm guessing you have no worthwhile experience in this, your thoughts on
>>>> this as far as personal experience is likely as close to zero as mine is.
>>>
>>> You're calling Swing a liar? Nice.
>>
>> He said I look foolish using Google rather than my personal experience.
>
> ...and he was right. It's nuts to believe what you see on the
> Internet over personal experience.
So, you're saying Swing has personal experience evaluating a bunch of
violins in a double blind study, and it's nuts to believe the flock of
professionals gathered to do just that, simply because Google was used
to locate the study reported on the National Geographic web site.
Idiot!
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>> I said he has no worthwhile experience in this, same as me. The very
>> next paragraph I offered him the opportunity to state his
>> qualifications. I didn't call him a liar, ever.
>>
>> Learn how to read.
>
> I can read just fine.
>>
>> "Bonjour!" yourself, idiot!
>
> Clueless.
>>
>>>> Feel free to list your qualifications that would convince Claudia Fritz
>>>> and Sorbonne University that she should listen to your thoughts rather
>>>> that the slew of people she gathered to participate in the study. I'm
>>>> thinking (strongly) that you are the fool, not me, not Sorbonne
>>>> University, and not the group of top professionals gathered to fairly
>>>> evaluate the subject.
On Mon, 30 May 2016 14:25:01 -0500, "Fred Parrott" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> If you all were closer I think you and Leon and myself might have a
> hot gay threesome.
On 5/29/2016 10:52 AM, Swingman wrote:
> On 5/29/2016 8:19 AM, Jack wrote:
>
>> On 5/28/2016 5:16 PM, krw wrote:
>>> On Sat, 28 May 2016 10:45:21 -0400, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> So, you're saying Swing has personal experience evaluating a bunch of
>> violins in a double blind study,
>
> Pretty much, yes. Specifically "evaluating" the sound of acoustic
> instruments for recording was my specialty as a recording
> engineer/producer .. about 23+ years worth of exactly that.
Sorry, I didn't get where you participated in a double blind study of no
less than 5 Strads, played by world renowned violin soloists. You play
a bass guitar, (probably Texas country?), and your not tone deaf. None
of that says I should take your personal opinions over the people
involved in the studies I cited.
> And that specifically included many Cremona period instruments - cello,
> viola, viola da gamba, violin - for symphonies, Early Music, and
> Classical Music ensembles from around the world ... including the
> recording of 11 _violin_ books and audio volumes for various artist's
> published by Mel Bay publications.
I'm impressed, but I doubt any of the people involved in the study would
be bother to call you next time, sorry. Oh, since you think it's
foolish of me to use Google here is a list of some that participated in
the study I cited. You might want to contact them with your personal
experiences so they can be enlightened. My guess is you would be more
at home talking to Mr. Parrot:
Claudia Fritz, Joseph Curtin, Jacques Poitevineau and Fan Tao - was
expanded with the participation of the soloist Hugues Borsarello, the
violin dealer and player Thierry Ghasarossian, and various researchers
from LAM - Indiana Wollman, Laurent Quartier, Benoît Fabre - as well as
David Griesinger. In addition, this experiment could not have been
organised without the precious help of Philip Delacroix from Prima La
Musica who kindly lent us the auditorium and Stéphane Agasse the stage
manager; the orchestra from Sorbonne Universités (COSU), its conductor
Vincent Barthe and its managers Agnès Puissilieux and Lucie Paladino;
all the players, dealers and makers who nicely loaned us an amazing
range of new and old violins (around 25 violins in total!); the
Borsarello family and their warm hospitality in their Montgeron
'palace'; Stefan Avalos and Suzan ... and of course the soloist
participants - Olivier Charlier, Pierre Fouchenneret, Yi-Jia Susanne
Hou, Ilya Kaler, Tatsuki Narita, Marie-Annick Nicolas Elmar Oliveira,
Solenne Paidassi, Annick Roussin, Giora Schmidt, and Stéphane Tran Ngoc
- as well as the large audience (who came from around France and England).
>> simply because Google was used
>> to locate the study reported on the National Geographic web site.
>
> Well, we understand you had to do something to fill in the gaps in your
> knowledge which you admitted to in your first post, eh?
I'm certainly not dumb enough to compare my experiences as a
professional violinist and time in a recording studio to those cited
above. I've never even played a multimillion dollar Strad. The Google
searches given to me haven't turned up any with you playing or
evaluating them either.
> As long as you're going to rely solely on Google for your knowledge,
> might as well get some practice.
Well, I found the names of those that participated in the study. It
appears you think using Google is foolish, but you can DAGS on any of
them I listed, and see just how foolish one would have to be to take
your personal experience evaluating Stradivarius violins (probably zero,
right?) over all those professionals that actually did.
> Try my name, with some terms like: recording, music, violin, "heights
> sound studio", acoustic, cantiga, etc. ... and be sure you mix'em up to
> get the full effect.
I gave you a link to the studies conducted proving that Strads are
subject to fail the hyperbolec acid test as I mentioned. Once you
figure out Google is your friend, then send me the link that shows you
have personal experience playing and listening to all this expensive
wood in a double blind study, conducted by professional study types at a
world famous research university.
> Can we do the same with your name on the subject of evaluating the sound
> of acoustic instruments?
This isn't about me, I never did, never will and don't particularly want
to participate in a study of multimillion dollar violins. I do use
Google though, you should give it a try. Your library probably would
take some effort to track down the info available at your fingertips on
Google.
>> Idiot!
> Add ignorant and naive to that, you'd be looking in the mirror.
Oh, the horror, you're calling me names. I suggest you banter with the
Parrot, or Kevin, they're probably more on that level.
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On 5/31/2016 11:55 AM, Swingman wrote:
> On 5/31/2016 10:40 AM, Jack wrote:
>> On 5/29/2016 10:52 AM, Swingman wrote:
>
>>> Can we do the same with your name on the subject of evaluating the sound
>>> of acoustic instruments?
>>
>> This isn't about me, I never did, never will and don't particularly want
>> to participate in a study of multimillion dollar violins. I do use
>> Google though ...
>
> Nicely proving the point you were ignorant of the subject to begin with.
No, the point was I read credible studies on the subject conducted by
experts in the field and attempted to enlighten you by referring you to
the studies.
Your response was I look foolish using Google and the internet, you read
the studies before me, and your experience supersedes those with actual
first hand experience conducting the studies.
> You keep stumbling on your own words, Jack.
Keep thinking that Swing, but you are just twisting in your own breeze.
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On 5/31/2016 10:23 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>> Can we do the same with your name on the subject of evaluating the sound
>>>> of acoustic instruments?
>>>
>>> This isn't about me, I never did, never will and don't particularly want
>>> to participate in a study of multimillion dollar violins. I do use
>>> Google though ...
>>
>> Nicely proving the point you were ignorant of the subject to begin with.
>>
>> You keep stumbling on your own words, Jack.
>
> You seem more interested in insulting Jack than in actually arriving at
> any kind of truth.
He's trying to switch the argument from 'do Strads pass the Hyperbolec
Acid test' to 'Jack is so dumb he thinks Google has socially redeeming
value.' Both he and Kevin look particularly dumb with that nonsense.
Personally, I think he is well aware of the value and use of internet
search engines, and he's just being a bore, ie, pissy. He is a Texan
after all (just kidding, don't have much against Texans, at least not
all of them...)
Anyway, glad to see you questioning Swing, you put your ass on the line
from him, and all those pissing in his pocket. It's sort of a click, a
thin skinned, pompous click at that.
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On 6/1/2016 9:43 AM, Swingman wrote:
> On 5/31/2016 9:23 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
>
>> You seem more interested in insulting Jack than in actually arriving at
>> any kind of truth.
>
> Is there more than one kind?
Off the top of my head, there is absolute truth, and relative truth, and
probably a lot more.
Google is your friend, Here's a start:
http://www.toktalk.net/2008/11/09/three-different-types-of-truth/
You're assignment for the day is practice how Google can be your friend.
Hint, there are lots of thoughts on various kinds of truth, you don't
have to come up with them all by yourself.
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On Thu, 26 May 2016 10:44:36 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
>On 5/26/2016 10:37 AM, Markem wrote:
>> On Thu, 26 May 2016 10:00:13 -0500, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/26/2016 5:36 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>
>>>> When you refer to "monster cable bs" and say that the article is like
>>>> "monster cable bs", you are pretty much admitting that the article is
>>>> right because monster cable is BS.
>>>
>>> Only if you've confused the syntax difference between my "monster cable
>>> BS", versus your "monster cable _is_ BS".
>>>
>>> The argument about how Monster cable _sounds_ is arguably the BS part
>>> ... just like with the Strad. In that regard, beauty is in the eye of
>>> the beholder, as it always is.
>>>
>>> And your confusion leaves out the unarguable fact that Monster cable is
>>> (or has been) a well made product with redeeming qualities other than
>>> it's individually, and subjectively perceived _sound_.
>>
>> Monster cable have alway been well made, the marketing was aimed at
>> the audiophools who would buy it cause of the sales pitch. Monster
>> speaker cables are a pia, the inner core (plastic fibers) make it a
>> real pain to strip and tin.
>>
>> The Strads have a long history of players who owned them and played
>> them, the history is a big part of the want of one.
>>
>
>
>IMHO Monster cables are probably 10 times more than you need for any
>equipment sold to 98% of the people.
They are not worth the extra for the speakers. Plugging an amp to
guitar might be worth it, but I can still make a cord for an amp
cheaper and better than Monsters price point allows them.
On Sat, 28 May 2016 10:45:21 -0400, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 5/27/2016 6:19 PM, krw wrote:
>
>>> I'm guessing you have no worthwhile experience in this, your thoughts on
>>> this as far as personal experience is likely as close to zero as mine is.
>>
>> You're calling Swing a liar? Nice.
>
>He said I look foolish using Google rather than my personal experience.
...and he was right. It's nuts to believe what you see on the
Internet over personal experience.
>I said he has no worthwhile experience in this, same as me. The very
>next paragraph I offered him the opportunity to state his
>qualifications. I didn't call him a liar, ever.
>
>Learn how to read.
I can read just fine.
>
> "Bonjour!" yourself, idiot!
Clueless.
>
>>> Feel free to list your qualifications that would convince Claudia Fritz
>>> and Sorbonne University that she should listen to your thoughts rather
>>> that the slew of people she gathered to participate in the study. I'm
>>> thinking (strongly) that you are the fool, not me, not Sorbonne
>>> University, and not the group of top professionals gathered to fairly
>>> evaluate the subject.
Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 5/30/2016 5:41 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>> Fred Parrott wrote:
>>> On 5/30/2016 12:54 PM, Markem wrote:
>>>>
>>>> If you all were closer I think you and Leon and myself might have a
>>>> hot gay threesome. But southern Illinois is not even close to Houston.
>>>
>>> FIFY ...
>>>
>>> http://lemonparty.org
>>>
>>
>> You are sick - go away.
>
> Now, now, Mike ... just think of the educational opportunities.
>
> Here we thought dodo birds were extinct ... now we see irrefutable proof
> that at least one mated with an illiterate parrot within the last ten years.
>
Have you noticed the disappearance of another poster? :-)
On 5/30/2016 5:41 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> Fred Parrott wrote:
>> On 5/30/2016 12:54 PM, Markem wrote:
>>>
>>> If you all were closer I think you and Leon and myself might have a
>>> hot gay threesome. But southern Illinois is not even close to Houston.
>>
>> FIFY ...
>>
>> http://lemonparty.org
>>
>
> You are sick - go away.
Now, now, Mike ... just think of the educational opportunities.
Here we thought dodo birds were extinct ... now we see irrefutable proof
that at least one mated with an illiterate parrot within the last ten years.
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On 5/30/2016 12:54 PM, Markem wrote:
>
> If you all were closer I think you and Leon and myself might have a
> hot gay threesome. But southern Illinois is not even close to Houston.
FIFY ...
http://lemonparty.org
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Fred Parrott wrote:
> On 5/30/2016 12:54 PM, Markem wrote:
>>
>> If you all were closer I think you and Leon and myself might have a
>> hot gay threesome. But southern Illinois is not even close to Houston.
>
> FIFY ...
>
> http://lemonparty.org
>
You are sick - go away.
--
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[email protected]
Swingman wrote:
> On 5/30/2016 5:41 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>> Fred Parrott wrote:
>>> On 5/30/2016 12:54 PM, Markem wrote:
>>>>
>>>> If you all were closer I think you and Leon and myself might have a
>>>> hot gay threesome. But southern Illinois is not even close to Houston.
>>>
>>> FIFY ...
>>>
>>> http://lemonparty.org
>>>
>>
>> You are sick - go away.
>
> Now, now, Mike ... just think of the educational opportunities.
>
> Here we thought dodo birds were extinct ... now we see irrefutable proof
> that at least one mated with an illiterate parrot within the last ten
> years.
>
Indeed!
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On 5/29/2016 8:19 AM, Jack wrote:
> On 5/28/2016 5:16 PM, krw wrote:
>> On Sat, 28 May 2016 10:45:21 -0400, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
> So, you're saying Swing has personal experience evaluating a bunch of
> violins in a double blind study,
Pretty much, yes. Specifically "evaluating" the sound of acoustic
instruments for recording was my specialty as a recording
engineer/producer .. about 23+ years worth of exactly that.
And that specifically included many Cremona period instruments - cello,
viola, viola da gamba, violin - for symphonies, Early Music, and
Classical Music ensembles from around the world ... including the
recording of 11 _violin_ books and audio volumes for various artist's
published by Mel Bay publications.
> simply because Google was used
> to locate the study reported on the National Geographic web site.
Well, we understand you had to do something to fill in the gaps in your
knowledge which you admitted to in your first post, eh?
As long as you're going to rely solely on Google for your knowledge,
might as well get some practice.
Try my name, with some terms like: recording, music, violin, "heights
sound studio", acoustic, cantiga, etc. ... and be sure you mix'em up to
get the full effect.
Can we do the same with your name on the subject of evaluating the sound
of acoustic instruments?
> Idiot!
Add ignorant and naive to that, you'd be looking in the mirror.
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On 5/25/2016 10:07 AM, Jack wrote:
> Really, had you read the article sent to enlighten you, you would have
> seen this was taken into account.
Well before you obvioulsy did, actually ... a few years ago when it was
published, along with the many opinionated discussions/rebuttals for
months afterwards.
As previously stated ... just like with the Monster cable BS.
Old news ... you would have known that if you hadn't had to post a
Google link to do your thinking/talking on the subject.
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There are TV shows and large businesses doing that every day.
What lake ? Superior YES.
Swamps in the south - YES.
Any lake that had barges and trains of barges have logs all over.
They are getting fewer but there are plenty.
Martin
On 5/21/2016 1:07 PM, Electric Comet wrote:
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> anyone know if there are still logs gettting harvested from lakes
>
> was thinking that it may have all been harvested by now but i wonder
>
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> the wood is supposed to be very sought after once it has been
> seasoned via air drying
>
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