I was at Home Depot the other day and I saw this red Freud Diablo saw blade
that said "thin line rip" for $27. I thought, gee that's cheaper than what I
see on the internet and I could use a blade like that. The number on the
blade is D1024X.
The blade on the internet is a different model number and more expensive.
Freud has a confusing line of saw blades. What does Diablo stand for?
I have a Powermatic 66 table saw. I buy my oak and cherry planed to
thickness because I don't have a planer or jointer. I use my table saw
mostly for ripping. I want a saw blade that will give me a good glue line.
I use a radial arm saw and miter saw for other operations.
Should I take this blade back and buy something else?
Regards
On Thu, 1 Jul 2004 08:55:18 -0700, altoonaPillarRock
<[email protected]> wrote:
> I was at Home Depot the other day and I saw this red Freud Diablo saw blade
> that said "thin line rip" for $27. I thought, gee that's cheaper than what I
> see on the internet and I could use a blade like that. The number on the
> blade is D1024X.
>
> The blade on the internet is a different model number and more expensive.
> Freud has a confusing line of saw blades. What does Diablo stand for?
>
> I have a Powermatic 66 table saw. I buy my oak and cherry planed to
> thickness because I don't have a planer or jointer. I use my table saw
> mostly for ripping. I want a saw blade that will give me a good glue line.
>
> I use a radial arm saw and miter saw for other operations.
>
> Should I take this blade back and buy something else?
>
Try it. I might work on your setup. It's a cheap mistake. At worse,
you have a decent blade for rough work.
Diablo blades are "Thin-kerf Contractor" grade. Carbide is a good bit
thinner than on their Freud labeled blades. Thinner carbide means fewer
resharpenings, but it's often cheaper to replace cheap blades than to
resharpen them.
Thin kerf blades are nice on lower-powered saws, but they aren't as
stable as standard kerf blades, so they USUALLY cut rougher.
Your PM saw will probably spin a full-kerf blade. IIRC, Forrest WWI is
a dedicated rip blade. Freud also sells full-kerf "Glue line Rip" in
their more expensive line.
I have a Diablo blade in my CMS most of the time, as it's mostly used
for construction-grade work on green or PT wood.
OK, the Freud is going back to HD. The Forrest sounds like a good idea. I
guess I knew there was something wrong with $2000 for the table saw and $27
for the blade.
Thanks everyone!
"U-CDK_CHARLES\Charles" <"Charles Krug"@cdksystems.com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Thu, 1 Jul 2004 08:55:18 -0700, altoonaPillarRock
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> > I was at Home Depot the other day and I saw this red Freud Diablo saw
blade
> > that said "thin line rip" for $27. I thought, gee that's cheaper than
what I
> > see on the internet and I could use a blade like that. The number on the
> > blade is D1024X.
> >
> > The blade on the internet is a different model number and more
expensive.
> > Freud has a confusing line of saw blades. What does Diablo stand for?
> >
> > I have a Powermatic 66 table saw. I buy my oak and cherry planed to
> > thickness because I don't have a planer or jointer. I use my table saw
> > mostly for ripping. I want a saw blade that will give me a good glue
line.
> >
> > I use a radial arm saw and miter saw for other operations.
> >
> > Should I take this blade back and buy something else?
> >
>
> Try it. I might work on your setup. It's a cheap mistake. At worse,
> you have a decent blade for rough work.
>
> Diablo blades are "Thin-kerf Contractor" grade. Carbide is a good bit
> thinner than on their Freud labeled blades. Thinner carbide means fewer
> resharpenings, but it's often cheaper to replace cheap blades than to
> resharpen them.
>
> Thin kerf blades are nice on lower-powered saws, but they aren't as
> stable as standard kerf blades, so they USUALLY cut rougher.
>
> Your PM saw will probably spin a full-kerf blade. IIRC, Forrest WWI is
> a dedicated rip blade. Freud also sells full-kerf "Glue line Rip" in
> their more expensive line.
>
> I have a Diablo blade in my CMS most of the time, as it's mostly used
> for construction-grade work on green or PT wood.
>
>
"altoonaPillarRock" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> I was at Home Depot the other day and I saw this red Freud Diablo saw blade
> that said "thin line rip" for $27. I thought, gee that's cheaper than what I
> see on the internet and I could use a blade like that. The number on the
> blade is D1024X.
>
> The blade on the internet is a different model number and more expensive.
> Freud has a confusing line of saw blades. What does Diablo stand for?
>
> I have a Powermatic 66 table saw. I buy my oak and cherry planed to
> thickness because I don't have a planer or jointer. I use my table saw
> mostly for ripping. I want a saw blade that will give me a good glue line.
>
> I use a radial arm saw and miter saw for other operations.
>
> Should I take this blade back and buy something else?
>
> Regards
I use the TK306 in my saw. Great blade for a great price. Buy a
couple, when they go dull, have Forrest resharpen them. Or, they are
cheap enough to use as throwaways.
"Hitch" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Besides imposing less strain on the saw motor, thin-kerf blades waste less
> wood. If you are cutting big pieces of inexpensive material, thick kerfs
> are not a problem. However, if you are ripping 1/2"-wide strips (which I
> do sometimes),
So umm, for every 16 rips you gain another piece providing you end up with a
full 1/2" piece that is usable.
>a 1/8" kerf is wasting 20% of your wood!
And assuming you are talking about the waste between 1/2" strips with a
regular kerf blade, a thin kerf will waste 15% of your wood. The difference
is 5%. I'll take the extre 5% extra waste any time to not have to deal with
a thin kerf blade. Saving 1/32" on every cut does add up but normally it it
does not factor in.
Besides imposing less strain on the saw motor, thin-kerf blades waste less
wood. If you are cutting big pieces of inexpensive material, thick kerfs
are not a problem. However, if you are ripping 1/2"-wide strips (which I
do sometimes), a 1/8" kerf is wasting 20% of your wood! At $4/bf +/- for
hard maple, that makes me pay attention!
I don't know about the Diablo blade, but you noticed that the model numbers
were different between Home Despot and the web. It's not uncommon for
manufacturers to make a "special" model for clients who buy a lot of their
product, thus you might find an item at Home Despot which is apparently
identical to one at Lowe's, but they different model numbers. I believe
this is to reduce price-guarantee claims. You might go to Home Despot and
say "I saw the same one at Lowe's for less!", but HD would say, "Diff'rent
model numbers, different items. No Deal".
--
John Snow
"If I knew what I was doing, I wouldn't be here"
"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
>
> "Hitch" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Besides imposing less strain on the saw motor, thin-kerf blades waste
>> less wood. If you are cutting big pieces of inexpensive material,
>> thick kerfs are not a problem. However, if you are ripping 1/2"-wide
>> strips (which I do sometimes),
>
> So umm, for every 16 rips you gain another piece providing you end up
> with a full 1/2" piece that is usable.
>
>>a 1/8" kerf is wasting 20% of your wood!
>
> And assuming you are talking about the waste between 1/2" strips with
> a regular kerf blade, a thin kerf will waste 15% of your wood. The
> difference is 5%. I'll take the extre 5% extra waste any time to not
> have to deal with a thin kerf blade. Saving 1/32" on every cut does
> add up but normally it it does not factor in.
>
>
>
Maybe it doesn't matter toooo much, but sometimes when I'm resawing I waste
a lot of wood (thin sections, but tall cuts). Maybe I'm just cheap.
--
John Snow
"If I knew what I was doing, I wouldn't be here"
On Thu, 1 Jul 2004 21:25:13 -0700, "altoonaPillarRock"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>OK, the Freud is going back to HD. The Forrest sounds like a good idea. I
>guess I knew there was something wrong with $2000 for the table saw and $27
>for the blade.
>
>Thanks everyone!
there's nothing wrong with putting a $27 blade on a $2000 saw.
Don't expect it to cut like a $100 blade. OTOH, if you're cuting some
questionable material (hey, we all do it from time to time...) risking
a $27 blade is better than risking a $100 blade....
A good quality yet inexpensive dedicated rip blade is a good thing to have but
the combo blade is probably going to spend the most time in the TS so spend the
serious dough on the combo. Diablos are good enough blades and serve the
purpose but the rip won't be of much use on the RAS or miter saw.
I use Diablos and have no problems with them. The advantage of a thin kerf
blade is to extend the motor life of an under powered saw, which is not an issue
with a 66.
David
In article <[email protected]>, altoonaPillarRock says...
>
>I was at Home Depot the other day and I saw this red Freud Diablo saw blade
>that said "thin line rip" for $27. I thought, gee that's cheaper than what I
>see on the internet and I could use a blade like that. The number on the
>blade is D1024X.
>
>The blade on the internet is a different model number and more expensive.
>Freud has a confusing line of saw blades. What does Diablo stand for?
>
>I have a Powermatic 66 table saw. I buy my oak and cherry planed to
>thickness because I don't have a planer or jointer. I use my table saw
>mostly for ripping. I want a saw blade that will give me a good glue line.
>
>I use a radial arm saw and miter saw for other operations.
>
>Should I take this blade back and buy something else?
>
>Regards
>
>
Lawrence Wasserman wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Hitch <[email protected]> wrote:
>>Besides imposing less strain on the saw motor, thin-kerf blades waste less
>>wood. If you are cutting big pieces of inexpensive material, thick kerfs
>>are not a problem. However, if you are ripping 1/2"-wide strips (which I
>>do sometimes), a 1/8" kerf is wasting 20% of your wood! At $4/bf +/- for
>>hard maple, that makes me pay attention!
> <...snipped...>
>
> And a 3/32" thin kerf blade, using the same math, would be wasting
> 18.75%.
I get 15.78 for the 3/32. You have to add the kerf-width to the dimension
of the piece. 16 cents a board foot difference at $4.
--
--John
Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
On Thu, 01 Jul 2004 21:00:37 GMT, "Leon"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"Hitch" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> Besides imposing less strain on the saw motor, thin-kerf blades waste less
>> wood.
Is this a troll?
I was going to post the same "feature" as a joke! <G>
Barry
In article <[email protected]>,
Hitch <[email protected]> wrote:
>Besides imposing less strain on the saw motor, thin-kerf blades waste less
>wood. If you are cutting big pieces of inexpensive material, thick kerfs
>are not a problem. However, if you are ripping 1/2"-wide strips (which I
>do sometimes), a 1/8" kerf is wasting 20% of your wood! At $4/bf +/- for
>hard maple, that makes me pay attention!
<...snipped...>
And a 3/32" thin kerf blade, using the same math, would be wasting
18.75%.
--
Larry Wasserman Baltimore, Maryland
[email protected]