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Cap'n 321

26/04/2006 7:21 PM

Ipae vs rough sawn cedar

I'm planning on building a few adirondack chairs and assorted other
outdoor stuff. Have yet to work with either cedar or ipae. The cedar
is 7/8 S2S and the rough side is pretty rough. I don't have a planer.
The ipae is S4S at nominal 1 inch. Any thoughts about which to choose?

TIA

Cap'n 321


This topic has 12 replies

j

in reply to Cap'n 321 on 26/04/2006 7:21 PM

26/04/2006 12:51 PM

I bought Ipe recently for the same purpose then I realized they were
going to be heavy monsters to move around. The chairs I have built
from SG douglas fir weigh around 25-30lbs I think figured the IPE would
be atleast twice. I will use the IPE for outdoor chaise loungers that
will have wheels on one end

This may not be a consideration in your case

re

"rile"

in reply to Cap'n 321 on 26/04/2006 7:21 PM

27/04/2006 9:20 AM


Cap'n 321 wrote:
> I'm planning on building a few adirondack chairs and assorted other
> outdoor stuff. Have yet to work with either cedar or ipae. The cedar
> is 7/8 S2S and the rough side is pretty rough. I don't have a planer.
> The ipae is S4S at nominal 1 inch. Any thoughts about which to choose?
>
> TIA
>
> Cap'n 321

I've made four Jake chairs out of the type of cedar you described. I
don't have a planer either. I use a belt sander and it does an
adequate job for me. I try to keep the sanded rough sides where they
aren't seen. By the way, check Jake chairs on the web. Some may not
agree but I find them easy to build and very comfortable. I made one
out of pine first to see if I liked them, took it apart, traced the
curved parts on particle board so I'd have templates and then rebuilt
the chair. It sure makes successive builds alot easier.

re

"rile"

in reply to Cap'n 321 on 26/04/2006 7:21 PM

27/04/2006 2:25 PM

That's not bad at all for the chair and footstool with both sides
surfaced. I'm starting another Jake's chair tonight and have maybe
five more after it. Enjoy the work.

Cl

Cap'n 321

in reply to Cap'n 321 on 26/04/2006 7:21 PM

26/04/2006 9:46 PM

I've just bought the Delta hybrid TS and a new bandsaw. SWMBO wants to
see some action before I can sneak another tool into the house.

> The rough saw will be a PITA after while. Ipe will be very heavy. Consider
> some other material such as cypress or Spanish cedar. Or, better yet, buy
> that planer !
>
>

PB

Pat Barber

in reply to Cap'n 321 on 26/04/2006 7:21 PM

26/04/2006 7:33 PM

It's correct name is Ipe and it VERY hard and rough on
all cutting edges.

It would outlast cedar by many years.


Cap'n 321 wrote:

> I'm planning on building a few adirondack chairs and assorted other
> outdoor stuff. Have yet to work with either cedar or ipae. The cedar
> is 7/8 S2S and the rough side is pretty rough. I don't have a planer.
> The ipae is S4S at nominal 1 inch. Any thoughts about which to choose?
>
> TIA
>
> Cap'n 321

EP

"Edwin Pawlowski"

in reply to Cap'n 321 on 26/04/2006 7:21 PM

27/04/2006 2:58 AM


"Cap'n 321" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> I've just bought the Delta hybrid TS and a new bandsaw. SWMBO wants to
> see some action before I can sneak another tool into the house.
>

I give my wife enough action that she is happy to see me go to the shop.

Oh, you meant to make something. Buy some 6" pine boards at the local
lumber yard. No planing, easy to finish, cheap to practice on. Once she
sees what you can do, she will beg you to buy the planer for the cedar
version.

EP

"Edwin Pawlowski"

in reply to Cap'n 321 on 26/04/2006 7:21 PM

26/04/2006 8:39 PM


"Cap'n 321" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I'm planning on building a few adirondack chairs and assorted other
> outdoor stuff. Have yet to work with either cedar or ipae. The cedar is
> 7/8 S2S and the rough side is pretty rough. I don't have a planer. The
> ipae is S4S at nominal 1 inch. Any thoughts about which to choose?

The rough saw will be a PITA after while. Ipe will be very heavy. Consider
some other material such as cypress or Spanish cedar. Or, better yet, buy
that planer !

Cl

Cap'n 321

in reply to Cap'n 321 on 26/04/2006 7:21 PM

27/04/2006 5:40 PM

I guess I'm now going to go with the cedar. Found a yard that has 1x12
at $2.04 a linear foot. They're willing to surface the rough side for
another 20 cents per lf. Looks like about $100 for wood for one Jake's
chair and footstool.

rile wrote:
> Cap'n 321 wrote:
>
>>I'm planning on building a few adirondack chairs and assorted other
>>outdoor stuff. Have yet to work with either cedar or ipae. The cedar
>>is 7/8 S2S and the rough side is pretty rough. I don't have a planer.
>>The ipae is S4S at nominal 1 inch. Any thoughts about which to choose?
>>
>>TIA
>>
>>Cap'n 321
>
>
> I've made four Jake chairs out of the type of cedar you described. I
> don't have a planer either. I use a belt sander and it does an
> adequate job for me. I try to keep the sanded rough sides where they
> aren't seen. By the way, check Jake chairs on the web. Some may not
> agree but I find them easy to build and very comfortable. I made one
> out of pine first to see if I liked them, took it apart, traced the
> curved parts on particle board so I'd have templates and then rebuilt
> the chair. It sure makes successive builds alot easier.
>

g

in reply to Cap'n 321 on 26/04/2006 7:21 PM

27/04/2006 12:24 AM

On Wed, 26 Apr 2006 19:21:51 GMT, Cap'n 321
<[email protected]> wrote:

>I'm planning on building a few adirondack chairs and assorted other
>outdoor stuff. Have yet to work with either cedar or ipae. The cedar
>is 7/8 S2S and the rough side is pretty rough. I don't have a planer.
>The ipae is S4S at nominal 1 inch. Any thoughts about which to choose?
>
>TIA
>
>Cap'n 321

I got a bunch of 2x12 rough WR cedar for free and I don't have a
planer. I did a passible job with my belt sander. Start with 80 and
work it down to the finer grits. They finish up very pretty with a top
coat

TT

"Tim Taylor"

in reply to Cap'n 321 on 26/04/2006 7:21 PM

27/04/2006 7:54 PM


"Cap'n 321" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I guess I'm now going to go with the cedar. Found a yard that has 1x12 at
>$2.04 a linear foot. They're willing to surface the rough side for another
>20 cents per lf. Looks like about $100 for wood for one Jake's chair and
>footstool.
>
> rile wrote:
>> Cap'n 321 wrote:
>>
>>>I'm planning on building a few adirondack chairs and assorted other
>>>outdoor stuff. Have yet to work with either cedar or ipae. The cedar
>>>is 7/8 S2S and the rough side is pretty rough. I don't have a planer.
>>>The ipae is S4S at nominal 1 inch. Any thoughts about which to choose?
>>>
>>>TIA
>>>
>>>Cap'n 321
>>

Whew, where abouts in the world you hail from?
>>
>> I've made four Jake chairs out of the type of cedar you described. I
>> don't have a planer either. I use a belt sander and it does an
>> adequate job for me. I try to keep the sanded rough sides where they
>> aren't seen. By the way, check Jake chairs on the web. Some may not
>> agree but I find them easy to build and very comfortable. I made one
>> out of pine first to see if I liked them, took it apart, traced the
>> curved parts on particle board so I'd have templates and then rebuilt
>> the chair. It sure makes successive builds alot easier.
>>

DH

Dave Hall

in reply to Cap'n 321 on 26/04/2006 7:21 PM

28/04/2006 2:08 PM

About 15 or 16 years ago my dad built some adirondacks out of white
oak. Last year I refinished them for the second time since they were
built. A little washing, some scuff sanding and a couple of coats of
spar urathane. These have been outside their entire lives, but they
sit under a deck and are a little sheilded from the snows. They do get
wet whenever it rains. They look so much better than most such chairs
I see, but are heavier than the PT chairs my BIL built at the same
time.

Dave Hall

On Wed, 26 Apr 2006 20:39:38 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
>"Cap'n 321" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> I'm planning on building a few adirondack chairs and assorted other
>> outdoor stuff. Have yet to work with either cedar or ipae. The cedar is
>> 7/8 S2S and the rough side is pretty rough. I don't have a planer. The
>> ipae is S4S at nominal 1 inch. Any thoughts about which to choose?
>
>The rough saw will be a PITA after while. Ipe will be very heavy. Consider
>some other material such as cypress or Spanish cedar. Or, better yet, buy
>that planer !
>

Cn

"Clint"

in reply to Cap'n 321 on 26/04/2006 7:21 PM

26/04/2006 9:36 PM

Don't know what the cedar's like around your place, but around here, some of
it's dripping wet (literally). So leaving it sit out in a dry area for a
while is necessary, but it dries fast. It also planes very easily with hand
planes, and smells nice doing it. :) So the rough side shouldn't be too
much of a problem.

I built my Adirondack chairs from a Wood Magazine plan (the one with the
ever-green cutout between the middle two back supports). It turned out
pretty good; good enough that my wife brought it inside when we needed some
more chairs this winter, and it hasn't gone back out yet. :) It was built
entirely from 2x6 and 1x6 (or 5?) boards. Standard issue borg stock, which
was nice. It's also nice because it's light, but the cedar dents and
scratches easily. Especially around a 5 year old boy who's bored and has
something metal in his hands. DAMHIKT. Of course, he got a dresser my dad
built for me many years ago that has my name and other catchy phrases carved
in it, so I can't complain too much. :)


Clint

"Cap'n 321" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I'm planning on building a few adirondack chairs and assorted other
> outdoor stuff. Have yet to work with either cedar or ipae. The cedar is
> 7/8 S2S and the rough side is pretty rough. I don't have a planer. The
> ipae is S4S at nominal 1 inch. Any thoughts about which to choose?
>
> TIA
>
> Cap'n 321


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