Folks,
Over the last couple of years I've come to regard my Toyota Tacoma as my
most essential tool. I've hauled dozens of sheets of plywood, hundreds of
2x4s, and probably close to 700 board feet of hardwood. Unfortunately, the
Nor'easter here in MA this last Friday had me skidding of the road into a
ditch, wrecking my Tacoma. No other cars involved and I was only going about
35 mph at the time. If the shoulder had been level with the road my truck
might have escaped unharmed.
Anyway, the good news, as many of you have already figured out, is that
I get to buy a new pickup. HOTDAMN! So this time I'm going for a full size
pickup and I'm thinking of an new F-150. Anybody have any opinions on the
F-150, or any other full size pickup for that matter? Suggestions?
Regards,
K.
> Anyway, the good news, as many of you have already figured out, is that
> I get to buy a new pickup. HOTDAMN! So this time I'm going for a full size
> pickup and I'm thinking of an new F-150. Anybody have any opinions on the
> F-150, or any other full size pickup for that matter? Suggestions?
Ford??? You've had a Toyota and you're considering a FORD?!?
Sheesh. In my opinion, that's like wrecking a nice Powermatic table
saw, and then seizing the opportunity to get the nice new cabinet saw
from Harbor Freight. Just because it's shiny and new and looks good
on paper won't make it a better saw. Stick with what works. Toyotas
are just as "American" as anything else now.
Andy
(Remember - opinions are like butts - everyone has one, and most of
them stink...)
"Kevin B" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Folks,
> Over the last couple of years I've come to regard my Toyota Tacoma as
my
> most essential tool. I've hauled dozens of sheets of plywood, hundreds of
> 2x4s, and probably close to 700 board feet of hardwood. Unfortunately, the
> Nor'easter here in MA this last Friday had me skidding of the road into a
> ditch, wrecking my Tacoma. No other cars involved and I was only going
about
> 35 mph at the time. If the shoulder had been level with the road my truck
> might have escaped unharmed.
> Anyway, the good news, as many of you have already figured out, is
that
> I get to buy a new pickup. HOTDAMN! So this time I'm going for a full size
> pickup and I'm thinking of an new F-150. Anybody have any opinions on the
> F-150, or any other full size pickup for that matter? Suggestions?
>
> Regards,
>
> K.
>
>
>
My opinion is buy used. Several reasons for this are it is cheaper. If you
can get by without the new car smell, and are flexible about options and
colors, you get a whole lot more bang for the buck.
If you buy a new one you got a serious depreciation in the first few years,
and that is paid for with borrowed money, even if you borrow from yourself,
the money you spend is not available to buy tools or continue to grow for
your investments.
BTW dodge makes a nice diesel lots of power and great fuel economy. Cummins
engine is better then the Toyota, Ford or Chevy.
--
Roger Shoaf
About the time I had mastered getting the toothpaste back in the tube, then
they come up with this striped stuff.
"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Roger Shoaf wrote:
>
> > BTW dodge makes a nice diesel lots of power and great fuel economy.
> Cummins
> > engine is better then the Toyota, Ford or Chevy.
>
> THe engine in the Dodge comes from a joint venture in Rocky Mount.
>
> It is a whole different animal than a Cummins from Columbus.
>
Perhaps, but the power plant has a good track record.
--
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If you are not part of the solution, you are not dissolved in the solvent.
On Mar 18, 8:43 pm, Lobby Dosser <[email protected]>
wrote:
> "Kevin B" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > So this time I'm going for a full size
> > pickup and I'm thinking of an new F-150. Anybody have any opinions on
> > the F-150, or any other full size pickup for that matter? Suggestions?
>
> Isn't the Toyota Tundra full sized?
Yes. My nephew is a service avisor at one of the biggie Toyota
dealerships in Kansas and races a Tundra..with a factory approved
supercharger. He gets better mileage than an off-the-shelf F 150 Ford
with waaaay more power available at his wish.
That truck is some tough. Looks great too.
I am in the market for a couple of Dodge Sprinters, in a couple of
years we'll find them used. When reasonably maintained they're a
500.000 km van. (All Mercedes parts)
In fact, you can buy, for around $ 250.00 US a grille and some hubcap
plugs which are Mercedes and fit perfectly. The Sprinter IS a MB. 5
cyl turbo diesel.
> That used to make sense if you can pay cash. Typically, financed used
> vehicles have interest rates that are 50% higher than those of new vehicles.
> In the last 3 to 4 years it has been a new car buyers market in Houston.
Probably true, unless you can get a "new car loan" on a recent-model
used car - I managed that on my last vehicle, a 3-yr old Pontiac Vibe
(made by Toyota, btw). When I bought it, the bank said their "new
car" rates would apply to 2003 and newer models - perfect. New car
loan rate for a reasonably-priced used car, all from my local credit
union - can't beat that! Might be worth looking into, anyway.
Andy
Leon wrote:
> "Frank Boettcher" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>> Interesting. I asked if I could order one back in January and was
>> told that I could only get an in stock unit, it was out of production
>> since novemeber. I checked local dealer(s) stock for a month or so
>> and there were no new arrivals.
>>
>> I used the web site to configure, but was told ordering was impossible
>> on the classics.
>
>
> And the car companies wonder why they are loosing out to the Japanese.
>
Yeah ... it's really confusing how that could be. Other than totally
misreading the market (hey guys ... high gas prices are here to STAY),
and off-shoring the lions share of their production, they seem to be
doing everything right.
Bah humbug ... I shop the international market just like they do. Last
new car I had that was anything to write home about was my Geo Metro.
Still have it in the garage.
Bill
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Sun, Mar 18, 2007, 7:01pm From: [email protected] (Kevin=A0B)
<snip> Anybody have any opinions on the F-150, or any other full size
pickup for that matter? Suggestions?
Yep. '49 to '56 Ford pickup, 500 Cadillac engine for preference,
or a 460 Ford engine. Learn to drive winter roads.
JOAT
Custom philosophizing done. No job too small; must be indoor work, with
no heavy lifting.
you folks can talk down the Ford all you want.
but i've been driving them since 1979 bought my first new one, bought
another new in 86 and 90 , put in excess of 200,000 on each one of them
with no major troubles. bought my last one used with 140,000 on it 1994
model purchased in 2003 paid $3000. and still driving it today, now has
224,000 miles on it and running fine, starting to show a little rust at
the rocker panels. all these trucks have been 4x4
and well used as such as i've been a logger and log buyer here in the
northland, so my trucks have seen alot of off road use not just highway
miles. buy american trucks and sell logs to the Japs. keeps the trade
deficit down.
ross
www.highislandexport.com
"Rick Samuel" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> Why is it Ford & Chevy are closing plants, and Toyota is
> opening them, Jan. saw an assembly open in S.A. Tx. Then Two week
> ago, starting another in Miss. I too have a Tacoma, 8 yo, 235000 mi.
> NO PROBLEMS AT ALL.
> I think you should buy that "Find On Road Dead".
*snip and trim*
Ford and Chevy are still selling power. AFAIK, they have nothing to
compare to Toyota's offerings of gas mileage and design. IMO, the
Prius's competition is the Yarus. Ok, so you can't get plywood in
either...
Another interesting thing I noticed was that all the minivans on
fueleconomy.gov were rated for just about the same 20 mpg.
Puckdropper
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Don Fearn <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
*snip*
>
> Come to Rochester MN and I'll introduce you to Arlyn Ness of Rochester
> Toyota, one of the best salesmen on the Toyota sales force. A new
> vehicle salesman that I *like* -- a FIRST for me . . . .
>
> -Don
>
It seems to me that Toyota salesmen are some of the best. They've been
happy to talk with me, and have taken the time to answer questions and
just be conversational. There's been no "Oh, you're not buying today,
I'm [you're] wasting your [my] time then."
Puckdropper
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Sun, Mar 18, 2007, 10:22pm (EDT-1) .@. (Stoutman) wisely sayeth:
I would get a small truck and buy a trailer that you can tow whenever
you need to make a lumber pick up. =A0 That's the route I went. Very
happy!
You betcha. You've gotta be a city boy if you've gotta ask what
pickup to buy. My daily driver is a '78 El Camino, no way it'll hold a
full sheet of plywood. No prob, when I buy plywood I have it sliced -
if I need a full sheet, I'll either cock it in the bed, have one of my
sons haul it, or have it delivered if need be. If I had to carry full
sheets on a regular basis, I'd definitely get a trailer, 'cause there's
no way the Elky is going. Ah, driving with the window down, Celtic
music CD playing - but not so loud I can't hear that great exhaust
sound, and an ice cream cone from the local Dairy Queen. Life cne be
very good.
JOAT
Custom philosophizing done. No job too small; must be indoor work, with
no heavy lifting.
"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message
> With that kind of a track record, about the only decision you need to
> make is what color Toyota do you want?
Yeah, buddy! My next truck, when the current Dodge RAM loses favor, will be
a used 2 or 3 year old Toyota Tundra, if I can find one ... I can guarantee
that.
The Dodge has been OK, but it won't pass up a gas station.
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On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 19:01:39 -0400, "Kevin B" <[email protected]>
wrote:
... snip
> Anyway, the good news, as many of you have already figured out, is that
>I get to buy a new pickup. HOTDAMN! So this time I'm going for a full size
>pickup and I'm thinking of an new F-150. Anybody have any opinions on the
>F-150, or any other full size pickup for that matter? Suggestions?
>
I've been pretty satisfied with my 97 F-150 (I've got 93k miles on it now
and have had no major problems).
That said, I'm going to be looking at Toyota Tundra next time (hopefully
that's still about 10 more years away). While I haven't had any major
problems with the Ford, I haven't been impressed with the newer models.
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"Frank Boettcher" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
> My local chevy dealer said that the "classics" stopped production in
> November. Don't know if that is true, your son could probably confirm.
> I checked regional inventory a month or so ago and most dealers were
> down to just a couple with no more coming in.
You never know. I thought the old style was done also but my son receives
the vehicle inventory by computer and told me that the Classics were still
being built.
Chevrolet still shows the Classic being available on their web site with the
ability to build and price on online.
http://www.chevrolet.com/silverado/
Scroll down a little to get to the 2007 Classic.
GMC still offers the Sierra Classic also.
>
> I guess their inventory position was too high to write off the
> "classic" parts inventory, or maybe they did not think they could fill
> the pipeline with the new model fast enough.
Well they have to offer the parts for 10 years after the model is
discontinued.
It was confusing when I
> tried to evaluate trucks.
>
> I was after fuel economy with reasonable tow and carry capacity and
> the Tacoma, configured as I bought it, hit that button perfectly. And
> based on early results, I'm getting better than expected fuel economy.
> But I think the new GM is a clear winner in the full size category.
>
> Frank
My next truck will be probably be a Toyota if my son is not still working
for the Chevrolet dealer when I buy again. Although I have a GM credit card
and I accrue $3500 off my best deal with the dealer every 7 years. I bought
my current truck that way. It's nice to make your best deal and then have
them take $3500 off of that.
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> Anybody have any opinions on the
> F-150, or any other full size pickup for that matter? Suggestions?
>
> Regards,
>
> K.
No opinions on cars or pickups. I have, however an opinion on decks.
The deck, extending through the tailboard, needs to be wider than 4';
preferably 4'2" or 4'4". Makes transporting sheets soooooo much easier.
I guess your 'full sized pickups' would probably meet that ...
-P.
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"Kevin B" <[email protected]> wrote:
> So this time I'm going for a full size
> pickup and I'm thinking of an new F-150. Anybody have any opinions on
> the F-150, or any other full size pickup for that matter? Suggestions?
>
>
Isn't the Toyota Tundra full sized?
"B A R R Y" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Mon, 19 Mar 2007 21:41:45 GMT, "Leon"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> I always thought so too, until I needed it on my Subaru and Jeeps. <G>
If it is a legitimate complaint and not just an inherent trait the dealer
gladly will go for warranty repairs. If the problem that you complain about
is a design problem that is not really a problem other than something you
don't like then you are pretty much stuck with the problem.
Way back in the early 80's the Oldsmobile Cutlass G body had a wide AC
register that was on the passenger side of the dash. Regardless of what fan
speed the motor was set to you were not going to get more than a slight
breeze out of it. We had tons of complaints and there was no fix other than
a complete dash and air duct redesign.
"PH Thorsted" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 19:01:39 -0400, Kevin B wrote:
K.
>
>
> I agree with buy used. The depreciation on a new vehicle is so great it
> is a crime. You lose several thousand dollars as soon as you drive it off
> the lot.
That used to make sense if you can pay cash. Typically, financed used
vehicles have interest rates that are 50% higher than those of new vehicles.
In the last 3 to 4 years it has been a new car buyers market in Houston.
"Frank Boettcher" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> I researched every truck available before I bought mine (four weeks
> ago)
>
> My criteria pushed me to a Toyota Tacoma DC prerunner. However, the
> full size truck I really liked was the new (not classic) Chevrolet or
> GMC extended cab, 5.3L iron block version. Great features, great
> warranty, great (comparitively speaking) fuel economy and plenty of
> tow and carrying capacity.
Agreed, I think most of the new trucks today are trying to appeal to the guy
that wants to look macho. Chevrolet and GMC still have a relatively low
tailgate, bed and bed sides. I went to the auto show in Houston in January
and was turned off by many of the new full sized pick ups because they set
so high that lifting anything over the side of the bed is almost out of the
question and I am 6' tall.
>
> Now that the classics have been mostly cleared out, deals can be made
> on the new version.
Maybe, my son works for a Chevrolet dealer in Houston and is still receiving
and putting into inventory the Old Style "2007" pick ups. I don't get it
personally. Both new and old style are being manufactured as 07 models.
The latest body style does not use the same front end suspension as what GM
has used for decades. The latest having an automobile style McPherson Strut
hopefully will hold up.
B A R R Y <[email protected]> wrote:
> On the flip side, my 1999 Jeep Wrangler (TJ) had the identical rear
> brake slave cylinder issues as my 1989 Wrangler (YJ)! <G>
>
>
Bought a 68 Wagoneer from the factory in 70. 4WD, every option known to man
and driven by one of the managers. Last Jeep I ever bought. If it had Only
nickled and dimed me to death, I might have kept it longer.
"Kevin B" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Folks,
> Over the last couple of years I've come to regard my Toyota Tacoma as
> my most essential tool. I've hauled dozens of sheets of plywood, hundreds
> of 2x4s, and probably close to 700 board feet of hardwood. Unfortunately,
> the Nor'easter here in MA this last Friday had me skidding of the road
> into a ditch, wrecking my Tacoma. No other cars involved and I was only
> going about 35 mph at the time. If the shoulder had been level with the
> road my truck might have escaped unharmed.
> Anyway, the good news, as many of you have already figured out, is that
> I get to buy a new pickup. HOTDAMN! So this time I'm going for a full size
> pickup and I'm thinking of an new F-150. Anybody have any opinions on the
> F-150, or any other full size pickup for that matter? Suggestions?
>
> Regards,
I do know that I watched a new F150 going down the street a couple of months
back and the quarter panel flexed in and out rapidly with each and every
slight bump in the road. A few weeks later a new F150 and an S10 pickup
were both in a head on crash at an intersection. The speed limit is 35 mph.
The S10 hardly looked damaged, the F150 had the right side if its front
suspension torn out. The front wheel was gone.
Most tests put the F150 in almost to completely dead last when compared to
Chev, GMC, Toyota, and Nissan. Some times the Dodge Ram is in dead last
position. The F150 typically gets the worst gas mileage and has the worst
performance.
All that said, I think the F150 is probably the best looking new model
truck.
Food for thought.
Kevin B wrote:
> Folks,
> Over the last couple of years I've come to regard my Toyota Tacoma as my
> most essential tool. I've hauled dozens of sheets of plywood, hundreds of
> 2x4s, and probably close to 700 board feet of hardwood. Unfortunately, the
> Nor'easter here in MA this last Friday had me skidding of the road into a
> ditch, wrecking my Tacoma. No other cars involved and I was only going about
> 35 mph at the time. If the shoulder had been level with the road my truck
> might have escaped unharmed.
> Anyway, the good news, as many of you have already figured out, is that
> I get to buy a new pickup. HOTDAMN! So this time I'm going for a full size
> pickup and I'm thinking of an new F-150. Anybody have any opinions on the
> F-150, or any other full size pickup for that matter? Suggestions?
You need to get your fluids checked, you are at least a quart low.
I have dealt with the American automotive industry almost all of my
adult life.
As a result, drove American made vehicles and suffered what was the
expected maintenance and repair problems.
Bought a Tacoma in 1999, now has 115,000 miles on it.
Changed the oil and filters every 3,000 miles, got a tune up at 90,000,
bought maybe 6 tires, nothing else.
My understanding that is very common performance for Toyota products.
With that kind of a track record, about the only decision you need to
make is what color Toyota do you want?
Lew
On Mon, 19 Mar 2007 21:41:45 GMT, "Leon"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"B A R R Y" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>
>> Never did I do anything more than ask about the problem! No bitching,
>> no threatening to call "corporate", and no hard feelings.
>
>Since this is easy money for the Dealer, most dealers jump at the chance of
>selling warranty work to the manufacturer.
I always thought so too, until I needed it on my Subaru and Jeeps. <G>
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In article <[email protected]>,
Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
<...snipped...>
>I am in the market for a couple of Dodge Sprinters, in a couple of
>years we'll find them used. When reasonably maintained they're a
>500.000 km van. (All Mercedes parts)
>In fact, you can buy, for around $ 250.00 US a grille and some hubcap
>plugs which are Mercedes and fit perfectly. The Sprinter IS a MB. 5
>cyl turbo diesel.
>
Just FYI, the Sprinter is also available through Freightliner, another
US company that Daimler bought a few years ago. In fact, it was available
as a Freightliner a year or 2 before Dodge started selling them. The
only differences are a few cosmetic items.
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"Andy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>> That used to make sense if you can pay cash. Typically, financed used
>> vehicles have interest rates that are 50% higher than those of new
>> vehicles.
>> In the last 3 to 4 years it has been a new car buyers market in Houston.
>
> Probably true, unless you can get a "new car loan" on a recent-model
> used car - I managed that on my last vehicle, a 3-yr old Pontiac Vibe
> (made by Toyota, btw). When I bought it, the bank said their "new
> car" rates would apply to 2003 and newer models - perfect. New car
> loan rate for a reasonably-priced used car, all from my local credit
> union - can't beat that! Might be worth looking into, anyway.
> Andy
>
Typically used vehicle is a bigger risk for the lender. It's kinda
surprising that you got a good rate from you credit union, but then again
maybe not. I would imagine the typical bank would not be so good.
On Mon, 19 Mar 2007 00:43:25 GMT, Lobby Dosser
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>Isn't the Toyota Tundra full sized?
The '07 is so full-sized that Toyota dealers were required to get at
least one new lift in the service bays before they could have any to
sell. Seriously! <G>
I've loved my Tacomas, which were built in Fremont, CA in a former GM
plant that also builds the Pontiac Vibe:
<http://www.nummi.com/>
I think I'd give the new Tundra a year for beta testing, but I'll
offer an anecdotal side story about why Toyota seems to be gaining
market share:
I bought an early 2005 Tacoma, three months into the redesigned
model's production. The early production '05's had three notable
defects, a cowl water leak, cab mounts that are too short, and noisy
rear springs. Mine was late enough to miss the leak, but it had the
cab mounts and noisy springs. The cab mounts created a condition
where it sounded like someone was kicking the floor of the cab when I
went over potholed roads.
I brought it it for the "kick noise"... This was actually a pretty
minor noise that lots of people might say, "It's a pickup, turn up the
radio", etc... What did I get? No games, no "they all do it"
(which they did! <G>), just an appointment to fix it _right_. The
repair, a 4-6 hour procedure, involved jacking the cab off the frame
to replace all six cab mounts. When I picked it up, I mentioned the
squeaky rear springs in passing. The service manager himself walked
outside, sprayed some aerosol lube on them, walked me back into the
dealership, and ordered the replacement springs. In about 4 days, the
springs arrived and I had a repair appointment.
Never did I do anything more than ask about the problem! No bitching,
no threatening to call "corporate", and no hard feelings. Both times
I got service surveys from Toyota, and I couldn't give them enough
praise. This was the first time I'd ever dealt with the dealership,
who also sold it to me for a very fair price with no games or BS. All
three of the issues were fixed on future trucks with running
engineering changes on the line. The affected serial numbers and
build dates are clearly noted on the pay-access Toyota technical web
site. Every body screws up sometime. Reputable operations put the
rubber to the road when they have to. I have no doubt that this is a
manufacturer that clearly WANTS to be #1, and not just with a silly
"mission statement"!
I HATE spending big bucks on cars, but two years later, I don't think
I've ever enjoyed a more satisfying, perfect vehicle than this Tacoma.
I can see me driving it even longer than the '85 that I put 305,000
miles on.
On the flip side, my 1999 Jeep Wrangler (TJ) had the identical rear
brake slave cylinder issues as my 1989 Wrangler (YJ)! <G>
If anyone wants the Connecticut dealership's name, email me. I don't
want to be accused of shilling. <G>
On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 19:01:39 -0400, "Kevin B"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Folks,
> Over the last couple of years I've come to regard my Toyota Tacoma as my
>most essential tool. I've hauled dozens of sheets of plywood, hundreds of
>2x4s, and probably close to 700 board feet of hardwood. Unfortunately, the
>Nor'easter here in MA this last Friday had me skidding of the road into a
>ditch, wrecking my Tacoma. No other cars involved and I was only going about
>35 mph at the time. If the shoulder had been level with the road my truck
>might have escaped unharmed.
> Anyway, the good news, as many of you have already figured out, is that
>I get to buy a new pickup. HOTDAMN! So this time I'm going for a full size
>pickup and I'm thinking of an new F-150. Anybody have any opinions on the
>F-150, or any other full size pickup for that matter? Suggestions?
>
>Regards,
>
>K.
>
>
I researched every truck available before I bought mine (four weeks
ago)
My criteria pushed me to a Toyota Tacoma DC prerunner. However, the
full size truck I really liked was the new (not classic) Chevrolet or
GMC extended cab, 5.3L iron block version. Great features, great
warranty, great (comparitively speaking) fuel economy and plenty of
tow and carrying capacity.
Now that the classics have been mostly cleared out, deals can be made
on the new version.
Frank
On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 03:24:29 GMT, "Leon"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"B A R R Y" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On Mon, 19 Mar 2007 21:41:45 GMT, "Leon"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>> I always thought so too, until I needed it on my Subaru and Jeeps. <G>
>
>If it is a legitimate complaint and not just an inherent trait the dealer
>gladly will go for warranty repairs.
My Subie, which is normally a reliable brand, had clutch issues from
day one (literally). I sold the car @ 39,000 with no satisfaction
from the warranty. Two dealers refused to disassemble the clutch
unless I agreed to pay if Subaru denied the warranty claim.
On Mon, 19 Mar 2007 23:22:24 GMT, "Leon"
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Both new and old style are being manufactured as 07 models.
Remember the 2003 (or was it '04? <G>) F150?
"Ross Hebeisen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> you folks can talk down the Ford all you want.
> but i've been driving them since 1979 bought my first new one, bought
> another new in 86 and 90 , put in excess of 200,000 on each one of them
> with no major troubles. bought my last one used with 140,000 on it 1994
> model purchased in 2003 paid $3000. and still driving it today, now has
> 224,000 miles on it and running fine, starting to show a little rust at
> the rocker panels. all these trucks have been 4x4
> and well used as such as i've been a logger and log buyer here in the
> northland, so my trucks have seen alot of off road use not just highway
> miles. buy american trucks and sell logs to the Japs. keeps the trade
> deficit down.
> ross
> www.highislandexport.com
>
Obviously many people like Ford trucks. There are simply better choices out
there these days.
As for the trade deficit, in recent history the only time that the US had a
trade surplus was when the US was in the middle of the great depression.
Many economists agree, it is better to owe than to be owed.
On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 19:01:39 -0400, Kevin B wrote:
> Folks,
> Over the last couple of years I've come to regard my Toyota Tacoma as my
> most essential tool. I've hauled dozens of sheets of plywood, hundreds of
> 2x4s, and probably close to 700 board feet of hardwood. Unfortunately, the
> Nor'easter here in MA this last Friday had me skidding of the road into a
> ditch, wrecking my Tacoma. No other cars involved and I was only going about
> 35 mph at the time. If the shoulder had been level with the road my truck
> might have escaped unharmed.
> Anyway, the good news, as many of you have already figured out, is that
> I get to buy a new pickup. HOTDAMN! So this time I'm going for a full size
> pickup and I'm thinking of an new F-150. Anybody have any opinions on the
> F-150, or any other full size pickup for that matter? Suggestions?
>
> Regards,
>
> K.
I agree with buy used. The depreciation on a new vehicle is so great it
is a crime. You lose several thousand dollars as soon as you drive it off
the lot. A diesel makes a lot of sense with todays fuel costs. You will
not believe the fuel economy you get with diesel compared with gas, if you
haven't had one before. I also agree with the Dodge Diesel. Everyone that
I have known or talked to that has had a Cummins diesel has raved about it
and loved it.
P.T.
http://www.USENETHOST.com 100% Uncensored , 100% Anonymous, 5$/month Only!
On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 21:18:35 GMT, "Leon"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"Frank Boettcher" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>
>>
>> My local chevy dealer said that the "classics" stopped production in
>> November. Don't know if that is true, your son could probably confirm.
>> I checked regional inventory a month or so ago and most dealers were
>> down to just a couple with no more coming in.
>
>You never know. I thought the old style was done also but my son receives
>the vehicle inventory by computer and told me that the Classics were still
>being built.
>Chevrolet still shows the Classic being available on their web site with the
>ability to build and price on online.
>http://www.chevrolet.com/silverado/
>Scroll down a little to get to the 2007 Classic.
>
>GMC still offers the Sierra Classic also.
>
Interesting. I asked if I could order one back in January and was
told that I could only get an in stock unit, it was out of production
since novemeber. I checked local dealer(s) stock for a month or so
and there were no new arrivals.
I used the web site to configure, but was told ordering was impossible
on the classics.
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
"Kevin B" <[email protected]> opin'd thus:
>Folks,
> Over the last couple of years I've come to regard my Toyota Tacoma as my
>most essential tool. I've hauled dozens of sheets of plywood, hundreds of
>2x4s, and probably close to 700 board feet of hardwood. Unfortunately, the
>Nor'easter here in MA this last Friday had me skidding of the road into a
>ditch, wrecking my Tacoma. No other cars involved and I was only going about
>35 mph at the time. If the shoulder had been level with the road my truck
>might have escaped unharmed.
> Anyway, the good news, as many of you have already figured out, is that
>I get to buy a new pickup. HOTDAMN! So this time I'm going for a full size
>pickup and I'm thinking of an new F-150. Anybody have any opinions on the
>F-150, or any other full size pickup for that matter? Suggestions?
Ewwwwww; a FORD??
Toyota Tundra.
No ifs, ands, or buts about it.
The second-generation Tundra is a FULL-sized pickup and every bit as
American-built as Ford.
Come to Rochester MN and I'll introduce you to Arlyn Ness of Rochester
Toyota, one of the best salesmen on the Toyota sales force. A new
vehicle salesman that I *like* -- a FIRST for me . . . .
-Don
--
Light travels faster than sound; this is why some people appear bright
until you hear them speak
"B A R R Y" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Never did I do anything more than ask about the problem! No bitching,
> no threatening to call "corporate", and no hard feelings.
Since this is easy money for the Dealer, most dealers jump at the chance of
selling warranty work to the manufacturer.
On Mon, 19 Mar 2007 23:22:24 GMT, "Leon"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"Frank Boettcher" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>
>> I researched every truck available before I bought mine (four weeks
>> ago)
>>
>> My criteria pushed me to a Toyota Tacoma DC prerunner. However, the
>> full size truck I really liked was the new (not classic) Chevrolet or
>> GMC extended cab, 5.3L iron block version. Great features, great
>> warranty, great (comparitively speaking) fuel economy and plenty of
>> tow and carrying capacity.
>
>Agreed, I think most of the new trucks today are trying to appeal to the guy
>that wants to look macho. Chevrolet and GMC still have a relatively low
>tailgate, bed and bed sides. I went to the auto show in Houston in January
>and was turned off by many of the new full sized pick ups because they set
>so high that lifting anything over the side of the bed is almost out of the
>question and I am 6' tall.
>
>>
>> Now that the classics have been mostly cleared out, deals can be made
>> on the new version.
>
>Maybe, my son works for a Chevrolet dealer in Houston and is still receiving
>and putting into inventory the Old Style "2007" pick ups. I don't get it
>personally. Both new and old style are being manufactured as 07 models.
>The latest body style does not use the same front end suspension as what GM
>has used for decades. The latest having an automobile style McPherson Strut
>hopefully will hold up.
>
My local chevy dealer said that the "classics" stopped production in
November. Don't know if that is true, your son could probably confirm.
I checked regional inventory a month or so ago and most dealers were
down to just a couple with no more coming in.
I guess their inventory position was too high to write off the
"classic" parts inventory, or maybe they did not think they could fill
the pipeline with the new model fast enough. It was confusing when I
tried to evaluate trucks.
I was after fuel economy with reasonable tow and carry capacity and
the Tacoma, configured as I bought it, hit that button perfectly. And
based on early results, I'm getting better than expected fuel economy.
But I think the new GM is a clear winner in the full size category.
Frank
"Frank Boettcher" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>>
> Interesting. I asked if I could order one back in January and was
> told that I could only get an in stock unit, it was out of production
> since novemeber. I checked local dealer(s) stock for a month or so
> and there were no new arrivals.
>
> I used the web site to configure, but was told ordering was impossible
> on the classics.
And the car companies wonder why they are loosing out to the Japanese.