"Pins and Loads" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:GI4le.5$zb.3@trndny02...
> > Cue indignant response from spammer in 3...2...1...
>
> I did apologize, as I was not aware of this group's "rules". Now
> that I know, I will respect those rules and not make a post like that
again.
> I certainly do not want my company to be confused with those companys who
> unscrupulously spam and bombard people with ads, viruses, spyware, etc.
> Maybe I erred in judgment, but I didn't realize that by making a post in a
> newsgroup, I would be put in the same group as those that repeatedly abuse
> the system.
> -Len Schlegel
> www.pinsandloads.com
Apology accepted by this subscriber. If you're new to usenet, you might find
the first three links at http://www.iedu.com/c/ of some help.
Actually, these products may eventually lead to a whole new definition of
"big iron" ;-)
--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/
Thank you, sir, for not rushing to judgment.
"Patrick Conroy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Lenny Schlegel" <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:W4Lke.182$gk3.131@trndny07:
>
>>
>> one post in topical newsgroups is spamming
>
> FWIW - I don't consider your post SPAM at all.
> I have zero need for one of your tools, but felt obliged to let *you* know
> I didn't object to your post.
>
> I'll even consider your target newsgroup "topical". (I assume you posted
> in alt.home.repair.)
>
Lenny Schlegel wrote:
> Dave,
>
> Grainger is a great company, who we regularly do business with. I'm sorry
> you feel that one post in topical newsgroups is spamming, and hope that if
> there's ever a problem with Grainger, you'd give us a try. I'm sure you'll
> be more than satisfied.
>
> -Len Schlegel
> Pinsandloads.com
>
Topical? I've used a lot of powder actuated loads in my life, but never
one in my woodshop.
Dave Hinz wrote:
> On Wed, 25 May 2005 19:53:10 GMT, Pins and Loads <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> Cue indignant response from spammer in 3...2...1...
> >
> > I did apologize, as I was not aware of this group's "rules". Now
> > that I know, I will respect those rules and not make a post like that again.
> > I certainly do not want my company to be confused with those companys who
> > unscrupulously spam and bombard people with ads, viruses, spyware, etc.
> > Maybe I erred in judgment, but I didn't realize that by making a post in a
> > newsgroup, I would be put in the same group as those that repeatedly abuse
> > the system.
>
> Something to be said about learning what you're doing before you do it
> wrong...
Ok come on. The guy isn't flooding the group and bailing. He even had
the decency to reply.
A lot of you guys sure have a bunch of double standards. Nobody seems
to mind when Robin Lee tell about the latest sale, or when someone is
trying to sell hand planes, or Table Saw Aligner JR (all of which are
great products).
Who cares?
[email protected] wrote:
> > When is the last time you used a powder actuated fastener in a
> >woodworking project?
>
>
> ramset studs can be used for a lot of things, but attaching wood to
> concrete is one of the more common ones.
And this has to do with woodshops how? I don't attach projects to
concrete walls or floors.
I know what powder actuated tools are used for; I've used them; I've
even rearranged some woodworkinga areas with them; they're about as
commonly useful in a woodworking shop as is a MIG welder, maybe a
little less.
[email protected] wrote:
> On 26 May 2005 01:24:02 -0700, "Charlie Self" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >[email protected] wrote:
> >> > When is the last time you used a powder actuated fastener in a
> >> >woodworking project?
> >>
> >>
> >> ramset studs can be used for a lot of things, but attaching wood to
> >> concrete is one of the more common ones.
> >
> >And this has to do with woodshops how?
>
> what woodshops have to do with powder actuated tools is irrelevant to
> this conversation.
>
>
> > I don't attach projects to
> >concrete walls or floors.
>
> your choice of attachment surfaces is irrelevant to this conversation.
>
>
>
>
> >
> >I know what powder actuated tools are used for; I've used them;
> do you or don't you?
Say what? You might try making sense here.
>
> > I've even rearranged some woodworkinga areas with them;
>
> so they do have relevance in even your woodshop.
>
Actually, no, they don't. I've never used one in my own shop, which is
a wood building with a wood floor.
>
> > they're about as
> >commonly useful in a woodworking shop as is a MIG welder, maybe a
> >little less.
>
> welding is a great process to have in a wood shop. I use it to make
> and repair tools, sometimes make hardware, that kind of thing.
>
Great way to burn a shop down, too.
>
>
> so basically I know what you're getting at; that discussion of ramset
> stuff is off topic for the wreck. That's bullshit, though. if this was
> rec.cabinetmaking or rec.furniturebuilding I could see it, but this is
> rec.woodworking. topics vary all over the place here and OT stuff is
> tolerated widely. the discussion of tools used to attach wood to
> concrete is just as on topis as a discussion of predatory billing
> practices on the part of woodworking magazines, but I haven't seen you
> complaining about that.
As bullshit flows, yours just plops. Discussion makes sense to me.
Advertising does not. You don't like my definition of spam? Tough shit,
added to your bullshit.
What predatory marketing practices of woodworking magazines are you
writing about? The dozens that have not cropped up here? Because that's
what the original discussion was about, spam, and there have been NO
spam from any magazine that I know of to date. OT is widely tolerated
and should be. Your intransigence is a bit weird, particularly inasmuch
as the OP has backed off, and is willing to go along with the overall
group attitude.
[ posted and e-mailed ]
In article <GI4le.5$zb.3@trndny02>,
Pins and Loads <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Cue indignant response from spammer in 3...2...1...
>
>I did apologize, as I was not aware of this group's "rules". Now
>that I know, I will respect those rules and not make a post like that again.
>I certainly do not want my company to be confused with those companys who
>unscrupulously spam and bombard people with ads, viruses, spyware, etc.
>Maybe I erred in judgment, but I didn't realize that by making a post in a
>newsgroup, I would be put in the same group as those that repeatedly abuse
>the system.
>-Len Schlegel
>www.pinsandloads.com
Some serious questions:
Did you read the regular postings in the newsgroup "news.announce.newusers"?
Did you do _any_ of the things that are recommended in those advisories?
Were you aware that most newsgroups have a 'charter' -- a document that
describes what is 'acceptable behavior' in that particular newsgroup?
Did you make any attempt to locate such a document covering 'rec.woodworking'
before posting a commercial solicitation to that newsgroup?
Can you state what _possible_ relevance you thought your tools have to
people engaged in "RECREATIONAL woodworking" -- cabinet-making, fine
furniture, wood-carving, 'turning', and occasionally _finish_ carpentry --
as separate and distinct from "rough" carpentry?
Do _you_ know *anything* about woodworking? *CAN* you contribute anything
constructive to any =woodworking= discussions _not_ involving explosives?
Now, for some 'really dirty' questions --
Do you "pay attention" to your prospective audience when you _buy_
advertising space?
Or do you take out ads "just anywhere" that there is a remote possibility
that someone who does carpentry might see it?
Or did you just "not bother" with any attempt to 'qualify' the target
audience, because _this_ ad was "free" ? ("free" meaning that _other_
_people_ are paying all the expenses for it -- the costs for the lines
to move the articles from server to server, the costs of those servers,
etc.)
Did you bother to _ask_ the people who pay for the rest of the system if
it was alright with *them* if you spent _their_ money advertising *your*
business?
Or did you feel it was O.K, because you were only taking 'a little bit'
of their money and resources for your personal gain?
On Tue, 24 May 2005 15:33:08 GMT, Lenny Schlegel <[email protected]> wrote:
> For all of your powder actuated fastening needs, pay a visit to
How many more groups have you spammed? New to e-commerce, I bet. I'll
keep buying from Grainger, who doesn't spam.
On Wed, 25 May 2005 01:50:29 GMT, Edwin Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> "Lenny Schlegel" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
>> I'm sorry you feel that one post in topical newsgroups is spamming,
>> -Len Schlegel
>
> What have you contributed to the group?
He hasn't, of course. Contrast this to some of our regular contributors
who also happen to sell tools, and how their posts are welcomed.
> If I was to hang an advertisement on your car or truck, would it be OK since
> it was a one time thing? If WalMart posted a billboard on your front door
> would it be OK if it was a one time thing?
> As you can see, you've not made many friends today. If you were a regular
> contributor and had your web site in the sig line, we'd soon know what you
> sell and if you are worthy of our business. You used the wrong approach
> here.
Cue indignant response from spammer in 3...2...1...
On 25 May 2005 11:14:34 -0700, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> Lenny Schlegel wrote:
>> For all of your powder actuated fastening needs, pay a visit to
> Good info.
It's people like you, who patronize spammers, that are partly
responsible for the festering pile of crap in everyone else's inboxes.
Thanks alot.
On Wed, 25 May 2005 14:41:01 -0400, Lee Michaels <leemichaels*nadaspam*@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> "Dave Hinz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> It's people like you, who patronize spammers, that are partly
>> responsible for the festering pile of crap in everyone else's inboxes.
>> Thanks alot.
>>
> Seen this?
> http://www.techworld.com/applications/news/index.cfm?NewsID=3735
I have now, thanks for the link!
>
> The FTC is trying to do something about spam. I wonder if it will work. It
> is part of "Operation Spam Zombies". Sounds like a plot for a bad movie.
It's unfortunate that ISPs need government pressure to disconnect
infected systems, but at least someone is doing it. Many ISPs are
already doing that without being told to, but whatever it takes.
On Wed, 25 May 2005 19:53:10 GMT, Pins and Loads <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Cue indignant response from spammer in 3...2...1...
>
> I did apologize, as I was not aware of this group's "rules". Now
> that I know, I will respect those rules and not make a post like that again.
> I certainly do not want my company to be confused with those companys who
> unscrupulously spam and bombard people with ads, viruses, spyware, etc.
> Maybe I erred in judgment, but I didn't realize that by making a post in a
> newsgroup, I would be put in the same group as those that repeatedly abuse
> the system.
Something to be said about learning what you're doing before you do it
wrong...
On 25 May 2005 13:05:15 -0700, Larry Bud <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> Dave Hinz wrote:
>> On Wed, 25 May 2005 19:53:10 GMT, Pins and Loads <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> Cue indignant response from spammer in 3...2...1...
>> >
>> > I did apologize, as I was not aware of this group's "rules". Now
>> > that I know, I will respect those rules and not make a post like that again.
>> > I certainly do not want my company to be confused with those companys who
>> > unscrupulously spam and bombard people with ads, viruses, spyware, etc.
>> > Maybe I erred in judgment, but I didn't realize that by making a post in a
>> > newsgroup, I would be put in the same group as those that repeatedly abuse
>> > the system.
>>
>> Something to be said about learning what you're doing before you do it
>> wrong...
>
> Ok come on. The guy isn't flooding the group and bailing. He even had
> the decency to reply.
Sure he did. First it was the standard "It's no big deal" response,
then he actually seemed to get a clue. I acknowledged that just now,
right there above.
> A lot of you guys sure have a bunch of double standards. Nobody seems
> to mind when Robin Lee tell about the latest sale, or when someone is
> trying to sell hand planes, or Table Saw Aligner JR (all of which are
> great products).
And the critical difference is that all of those are cases of a person
who actively participates and adds value to the group on a regular
basis, and then mentions the products they sell. There's a huge
difference between that, and someone coming here only to exploit the
group for free advertising, while providing nothing of value.
> Who cares?
Have you seen groups awash in spam, Larry? It's not pretty. They end
up dead and abandoned to the spammers.
On 25 May 2005 21:23:41 -0700, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:
> The orginal advertiser posted interesting information. If you think he
> is a spammer causing the festering trash in your mail box, then you are
> nuts. Leave your crap at home.
People who reward spammers by giving them money, cause spammers to
spam more, and cause more people to spam.
If you refuse to see that, well, I guess I know where you buy your meds.
On Thu, 26 May 2005 20:14:32 GMT, Pins and Loads <[email protected]> wrote:
> Mr. Hinz, if pinsandloads.com has somehow infringed on your duty to
> police this group.
Apparently you have become confused by the name of the service I pay to
filter my incoming email?
> I find it ironic that the very people who claim to
> preserve the integrity of the group have attacked almost any comment in
> defense, or in acceptance of my apology.
Actually, I acknowledged your apology. I may have questioned it's
sincerity, but I did see and respond to it.
> In actuality, aside from the
> namecalling, this thread has led to some meaningful discussion of powder
> tools, user certification, and applications.
Calling something what it is, isn't "namecalling".
On Thu, 26 May 2005 22:45:31 -0000, Robert Bonomi <[email protected]> wrote:
> Or did you just "not bother" with any attempt to 'qualify' the target
> audience, because _this_ ad was "free" ? ("free" meaning that _other_
> _people_ are paying all the expenses for it -- the costs for the lines
> to move the articles from server to server, the costs of those servers,
> etc.)
That's my guess.
On Sat, 28 May 2005 09:13:08 -0400, Mike Marlow <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> "Dave Hinz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On Thu, 26 May 2005 22:45:31 -0000, Robert Bonomi
><[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> > Or did you just "not bother" with any attempt to 'qualify' the target
>> > audience, because _this_ ad was "free" ? ("free" meaning that
> _other_
>> > _people_ are paying all the expenses for it -- the costs for the
> lines
>> > to move the articles from server to server, the costs of those
> servers,
>> > etc.)
>>
>> That's my guess.
>>
>
> So... in what way is the OP any different from you, me and the rest of the
> users on the internet?
Well, I'm participating in discussions about the topic, rather than
crashing the party to try to sell my stuff there.
> How are we somehow different from Rob's claim up
> above, about using a service for free that other people are paying for?
Because we're using it for it's intended purpose, where he and the other
spammers are taking from it without contributing value.
> Rob's point is pure BS simply because he's trying to make an argument based
> on the very design nature of the internet.
Pretty sure Robert was _there_...
"Robert Bonomi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> [ posted and e-mailed ]
>
> In article <GI4le.5$zb.3@trndny02>,
> Pins and Loads <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> Cue indignant response from spammer in 3...2...1...
> >
> >I did apologize, as I was not aware of this group's "rules". Now
> >that I know, I will respect those rules and not make a post like that
again.
> >I certainly do not want my company to be confused with those companys who
> >unscrupulously spam and bombard people with ads, viruses, spyware, etc.
> >Maybe I erred in judgment, but I didn't realize that by making a post in
a
> >newsgroup, I would be put in the same group as those that repeatedly
abuse
> >the system.
> >-Len Schlegel
> >www.pinsandloads.com
>
> Some serious questions:
>
> Did you read the regular postings in the newsgroup
"news.announce.newusers"?
>
> Did you do _any_ of the things that are recommended in those advisories?
>
> Were you aware that most newsgroups have a 'charter' -- a document that
> describes what is 'acceptable behavior' in that particular newsgroup?
>
> Did you make any attempt to locate such a document covering
'rec.woodworking'
> before posting a commercial solicitation to that newsgroup?
>
> Can you state what _possible_ relevance you thought your tools have to
> people engaged in "RECREATIONAL woodworking" -- cabinet-making, fine
> furniture, wood-carving, 'turning', and occasionally _finish_
carpentry --
> as separate and distinct from "rough" carpentry?
>
> Do _you_ know *anything* about woodworking? *CAN* you contribute
anything
> constructive to any =woodworking= discussions _not_ involving
explosives?
>
> Now, for some 'really dirty' questions --
> Do you "pay attention" to your prospective audience when you _buy_
> advertising space?
> Or do you take out ads "just anywhere" that there is a remote
possibility
> that someone who does carpentry might see it?
> Or did you just "not bother" with any attempt to 'qualify' the target
> audience, because _this_ ad was "free" ? ("free" meaning that _other_
> _people_ are paying all the expenses for it -- the costs for the lines
> to move the articles from server to server, the costs of those
servers,
> etc.)
> Did you bother to _ask_ the people who pay for the rest of the system if
> it was alright with *them* if you spent _their_ money advertising
*your*
> business?
> Or did you feel it was O.K, because you were only taking 'a little bit'
> of their money and resources for your personal gain?
>
>
>
Geezus - I've seen some lame justifications and contrivances before, but
this takes the cake.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
"Dave Hinz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Thu, 26 May 2005 22:45:31 -0000, Robert Bonomi
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Or did you just "not bother" with any attempt to 'qualify' the target
> > audience, because _this_ ad was "free" ? ("free" meaning that
_other_
> > _people_ are paying all the expenses for it -- the costs for the
lines
> > to move the articles from server to server, the costs of those
servers,
> > etc.)
>
> That's my guess.
>
So... in what way is the OP any different from you, me and the rest of the
users on the internet? How are we somehow different from Rob's claim up
above, about using a service for free that other people are paying for?
Rob's point is pure BS simply because he's trying to make an argument based
on the very design nature of the internet.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
"LRod" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Wed, 25 May 2005 18:29:43 -0400, "no(SPAM)vasys"
> <"no(SPAM)vasys"@adelphia.net> wrote:
>
>>It also help when the product being discussed is relevant to the group.
>> When is the last time you used a powder actuated fastener in a
>>woodworking project?
>
> Uh, I used mine just a few weeks ago (again). Of course my
> "woodworking project" is currently a house remodel, but I was nailing
> wood (albeit to concrete).
>
Today.
Only I didn't use a Hilti, but I did use a hammer drill with some Tapcons.
(Tapcons are pricey, but so are concrete nails) I had to fasten some
furring strips to a concrete Granted, that hammer drill isn't as fast as a
Hilti (powder actuated hammer tool, or whatever they're called these days),
but it's not annoyingly slow either, especially considering the time it
takes to load a new nail, and set the cartridge in a powder driven nailer.
Side note: Powder actuators are made for concrete. It would shatter brick,
likely as not.
Just thinking about it, and completely unscientifically, I'd guess that in
the trades, it's the framing crews that carry use the most powder driven
hammers. They're usually nailing to a flat concrete floor. The rest of the
trades, especially plumbers and electricians tend to use hammer drills;
better control on vertical concrete walls. Besides, they usually have a
couple of hammer drills for drill through concrete.
I don't have a powder actuator, but I've used them and my BIL has a
Remington. (I think he like the noise.)
Can you say "deaf" for several hours?? Those suckers are loud.
Just chatting...not preaching
James...
"Lenny Schlegel" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> I'm sorry you feel that one post in topical newsgroups is spamming,
> -Len Schlegel
What have you contributed to the group?
If I was to hang an advertisement on your car or truck, would it be OK since
it was a one time thing? If WalMart posted a billboard on your front door
would it be OK if it was a one time thing?
As you can see, you've not made many friends today. If you were a regular
contributor and had your web site in the sig line, we'd soon know what you
sell and if you are worthy of our business. You used the wrong approach
here.
--
Ed
http://pages.cthome.net/edhome/
> Cue indignant response from spammer in 3...2...1...
I did apologize, as I was not aware of this group's "rules". Now
that I know, I will respect those rules and not make a post like that again.
I certainly do not want my company to be confused with those companys who
unscrupulously spam and bombard people with ads, viruses, spyware, etc.
Maybe I erred in judgment, but I didn't realize that by making a post in a
newsgroup, I would be put in the same group as those that repeatedly abuse
the system.
-Len Schlegel
www.pinsandloads.com
Without trying to make any more trouble, it seems as there are more people
who have replied in this group who weren't offended or weren't upset at my
attempt of letting this group know about the services my website provides.
What I'm failing to understand is if this newsgroup is public and
non-moderated, shouldn't the option to open the thread or not depend on the
reader's preference? For all of the talk about spamming and bandwidth, it
seems that more bandwith was wasted on flaming me to bits repeatedly. I'm
sorry, Mr. Hinz, if pinsandloads.com has somehow infringed on your duty to
police this group. I find it ironic that the very people who claim to
preserve the integrity of the group have attacked almost any comment in
defense, or in acceptance of my apology. In actuality, aside from the
namecalling, this thread has led to some meaningful discussion of powder
tools, user certification, and applications.
"Charlie Self" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
> [email protected] wrote:
>> On 26 May 2005 01:24:02 -0700, "Charlie Self" <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >[email protected] wrote:
>> >> > When is the last time you used a powder actuated fastener in a
>> >> >woodworking project?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ramset studs can be used for a lot of things, but attaching wood to
>> >> concrete is one of the more common ones.
>> >
>> >And this has to do with woodshops how?
>>
>> what woodshops have to do with powder actuated tools is irrelevant to
>> this conversation.
>>
>>
>> > I don't attach projects to
>> >concrete walls or floors.
>>
>> your choice of attachment surfaces is irrelevant to this conversation.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >
>> >I know what powder actuated tools are used for; I've used them;
>> do you or don't you?
>
> Say what? You might try making sense here.
>
>
>>
>> > I've even rearranged some woodworkinga areas with them;
>>
>> so they do have relevance in even your woodshop.
>>
>
> Actually, no, they don't. I've never used one in my own shop, which is
> a wood building with a wood floor.
>
>>
>> > they're about as
>> >commonly useful in a woodworking shop as is a MIG welder, maybe a
>> >little less.
>>
>> welding is a great process to have in a wood shop. I use it to make
>> and repair tools, sometimes make hardware, that kind of thing.
>>
>
> Great way to burn a shop down, too.
>
>>
>>
>> so basically I know what you're getting at; that discussion of ramset
>> stuff is off topic for the wreck. That's bullshit, though. if this was
>> rec.cabinetmaking or rec.furniturebuilding I could see it, but this is
>> rec.woodworking. topics vary all over the place here and OT stuff is
>> tolerated widely. the discussion of tools used to attach wood to
>> concrete is just as on topis as a discussion of predatory billing
>> practices on the part of woodworking magazines, but I haven't seen you
>> complaining about that.
>
> As bullshit flows, yours just plops. Discussion makes sense to me.
> Advertising does not. You don't like my definition of spam? Tough shit,
> added to your bullshit.
>
> What predatory marketing practices of woodworking magazines are you
> writing about? The dozens that have not cropped up here? Because that's
> what the original discussion was about, spam, and there have been NO
> spam from any magazine that I know of to date. OT is widely tolerated
> and should be. Your intransigence is a bit weird, particularly inasmuch
> as the OP has backed off, and is willing to go along with the overall
> group attitude.
>
"Charlie Self" wrote
>
>
> Lenny Schlegel wrote:
>> Dave,
>>
>> Grainger is a great company, who we regularly do business with. I'm
>> sorry
>> you feel that one post in topical newsgroups is spamming, and hope that
>> if
>> there's ever a problem with Grainger, you'd give us a try. I'm sure
>> you'll
>> be more than satisfied.
>>
>> -Len Schlegel
>> Pinsandloads.com
>>
>
> Topical? I've used a lot of powder actuated loads in my life, but never
> one in my woodshop.
>
I think it is a self defense thing. Against those "wild" exotic hardwoods.
Ya know, the ones with the grain patern that always looks like it is moving.
So if it starts to move on you, you pull out the powder actuated tool
(otherwise known as a gun) and shoot it before it gets you.
Ideal for folks who are paranoid and use drugs.
See Lenny, I should write your ad copy!
Dave,
Grainger is a great company, who we regularly do business with. I'm sorry
you feel that one post in topical newsgroups is spamming, and hope that if
there's ever a problem with Grainger, you'd give us a try. I'm sure you'll
be more than satisfied.
-Len Schlegel
Pinsandloads.com
"Dave Hinz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Tue, 24 May 2005 15:33:08 GMT, Lenny Schlegel
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> For all of your powder actuated fastening needs, pay a visit to
>
> How many more groups have you spammed? New to e-commerce, I bet. I'll
> keep buying from Grainger, who doesn't spam.
>
"Dave Hinz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 25 May 2005 11:14:34 -0700, [email protected]
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Lenny Schlegel wrote:
>>> For all of your powder actuated fastening needs, pay a visit to
>
>> Good info.
>
> It's people like you, who patronize spammers, that are partly
> responsible for the festering pile of crap in everyone else's inboxes.
> Thanks alot.
>
Seen this?
http://www.techworld.com/applications/news/index.cfm?NewsID=3735
The FTC is trying to do something about spam. I wonder if it will work. It
is part of "Operation Spam Zombies". Sounds like a plot for a bad movie.
LRod,
I'd be glad to help answer any questions anyone may have on powder actuated
fastening. I know I'm risking getting flamed here, but there's also a forum
on our website with an "Ask Dr. P.A.T" category, where our resident powder
actuated tool expert will answer any questions on fastening, applications,
repair, cleaning, etc. I won't post a link, because once again, I'm not
trying to offend. To answer your question on certification, LRod, from what
I understand if the tool is to be used for personal use, no certification is
required. Of course, we'd encourage ANYONE using a powder tool to take the
brief training course. It never hurts to learn the safety precautions for
using a new tool. For contractors or professional use, OSHA requires each
user to have certification. Any tool operator not certified is subject to
OSHA fines.
-Len Schlegel
www.pinsandloads.com
"LRod" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 25 May 2005 18:29:43 -0400, "no(SPAM)vasys"
> <"no(SPAM)vasys"@adelphia.net> wrote:
>
> For example I'd like to know how seriously certification is taken,
> particularly since the big boxes sell their Remingtons (and Hilti's)
> to the general public without question. Robatoy can testify for us
> that certification is certainly a different story in solid surfacing.
> I wonder if there's any parallel.
>
> --
> LRod
>
> Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite
>
> Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999
>
> http://www.woodbutcher.net
>
> Proud participant of rec.woodworking since February, 1997
Dave Hinz wrote:
> On 25 May 2005 13:05:15 -0700, Larry Bud <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>A lot of you guys sure have a bunch of double standards. Nobody seems
>>to mind when Robin Lee tell about the latest sale, or when someone is
>>trying to sell hand planes, or Table Saw Aligner JR (all of which are
>>great products).
>
>
> And the critical difference is that all of those are cases of a person
> who actively participates and adds value to the group on a regular
> basis, and then mentions the products they sell. There's a huge
> difference between that, and someone coming here only to exploit the
> group for free advertising, while providing nothing of value.
>
It also help when the product being discussed is relevant to the group.
When is the last time you used a powder actuated fastener in a
woodworking project?
--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA
[email protected]
(Remove -SPAM- to send email)
On Wed, 25 May 2005 18:29:43 -0400, "no(SPAM)vasys"
<"no(SPAM)vasys"@adelphia.net> wrote:
>It also help when the product being discussed is relevant to the group.
> When is the last time you used a powder actuated fastener in a
>woodworking project?
Uh, I used mine just a few weeks ago (again). Of course my
"woodworking project" is currently a house remodel, but I was nailing
wood (albeit to concrete).
I'm a fairly regular poster here and now that the air seems clear
about the sequence (substantive posts first, and then "oh, by the way"
marketing posts after you've become a little more known--check with
the cabal; if there is one...) and frequency (never very often), I for
one hope he sticks around and adds something.
For example I'd like to know how seriously certification is taken,
particularly since the big boxes sell their Remingtons (and Hilti's)
to the general public without question. Robatoy can testify for us
that certification is certainly a different story in solid surfacing.
I wonder if there's any parallel.
--
LRod
Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite
Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999
http://www.woodbutcher.net
Proud participant of rec.woodworking since February, 1997
"Larry Bud" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> Ok come on. The guy isn't flooding the group and bailing. He even had
> the decency to reply.
>
> A lot of you guys sure have a bunch of double standards. Nobody seems
> to mind when Robin Lee tell about the latest sale, or when someone is
> trying to sell hand planes, or Table Saw Aligner JR (all of which are
> great products).
>
> Who cares?
I care.
Yes, he gets a lot of points for having the balls to make an apology. I
have to give him credit for that. The big difference it that others
participate and add to the value of the group. Rob Lee is a perfect example
of giving his time to answer specific questions about his products as well
as general questions. Same with Jim from McFeelys, Steve Knight and a few
others. If Len is interested in woodworking and participates in
discussions, he will soon be know for his generosity and I'm sure many of us
would like to reciprocate by doing business with him.
Where do you draw the line? How about Ron Popiel posting weekly specials?
If no one ever complains or comments, we will be over run with advertising.
Yes, perhaps I'm a bit of a newsgroup cop, but it is to maintain a good
group for all of us.
--
Ed
http://pages.cthome.net/edhome/
"Lenny Schlegel" spammed some more
> Dave,
>
> Grainger is a great company, who we regularly do business with. I'm sorry
> you feel that one post in topical newsgroups is spamming, and hope that if
> there's ever a problem with Grainger, you'd give us a try. I'm sure
> you'll be more than satisfied.
>
You don't get it.
Your spamming was not appreciated.
Neither was your top posting.
And as your your moronic "one post in topical newsgroup" criteria, that is
the very essense of spamming. Newsgroups are places where people go to talk
and learn. Not to be hustled. If you had been coming here awhile and making
an active contribution, we probably wouldn't mind a plug for your biz.
Because we would know that you have contributed.
But when the only thing you provide is spam, it is just as unwelcome
wherever else we encounter it. You want to know what would really satisfy
us? If you didn't come around any more. See how simple that was?
On 26 May 2005 01:24:02 -0700, "Charlie Self" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>
>[email protected] wrote:
>> > When is the last time you used a powder actuated fastener in a
>> >woodworking project?
>>
>>
>> ramset studs can be used for a lot of things, but attaching wood to
>> concrete is one of the more common ones.
>
>And this has to do with woodshops how?
what woodshops have to do with powder actuated tools is irrelevant to
this conversation.
> I don't attach projects to
>concrete walls or floors.
your choice of attachment surfaces is irrelevant to this conversation.
>
>I know what powder actuated tools are used for; I've used them;
do you or don't you?
> I've even rearranged some woodworkinga areas with them;
so they do have relevance in even your woodshop.
> they're about as
>commonly useful in a woodworking shop as is a MIG welder, maybe a
>little less.
welding is a great process to have in a wood shop. I use it to make
and repair tools, sometimes make hardware, that kind of thing.
so basically I know what you're getting at; that discussion of ramset
stuff is off topic for the wreck. That's bullshit, though. if this was
rec.cabinetmaking or rec.furniturebuilding I could see it, but this is
rec.woodworking. topics vary all over the place here and OT stuff is
tolerated widely. the discussion of tools used to attach wood to
concrete is just as on topis as a discussion of predatory billing
practices on the part of woodworking magazines, but I haven't seen you
complaining about that.
On Tue, 24 May 2005 15:33:08 GMT, "Lenny Schlegel"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>For all of your powder actuated fastening needs, pay a visit to
>www.pinsandloads.com Pins and Loads.com specializes in tools, pins and
>loads from ITW Ramset. We also have a tool cleaning and repair service, as
>well as powder actuated tool user certification.
>
For gawd's sake, don't let Nahm see this.
Tom Watson - WoodDorker
tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet (email)
http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/ (website)
"Lenny Schlegel" <[email protected]> wrote in
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>
> one post in topical newsgroups is spamming
FWIW - I don't consider your post SPAM at all.
I have zero need for one of your tools, but felt obliged to let *you* know
I didn't object to your post.
I'll even consider your target newsgroup "topical". (I assume you posted
in alt.home.repair.)
On Thu, 26 May 2005 15:44:37 GMT, "J&KCopeland" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Side note: Powder actuators are made for concrete.
And steel...
>I don't have a powder actuator, but I've used them and my BIL has a
>Remington. (I think he like the noise.)
And the smell. Ah, I love the smell of cordite in the morning. Smells
like...victory! (paraphrased)
>Can you say "deaf" for several hours?? Those suckers are loud.
Suffering with tinnitus and constant ringing these last 45 years from
youthful indiscretion (i.e. no hearing protection while shooting), I'm
VERY aggressive these days with the application of my David Clarks.
Including (especially) when using my Remington.
--
LRod
Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite
Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999
http://www.woodbutcher.net
Proud participant of rec.woodworking since February, 1997