What eye safety do you use?
What lung safety do you use?
I think it is really a bigger question. I hate to admit it but I have
just never fully solved this issue. I always wear hearing protection,
usually ear muffs. I mostly ware lung protection but for years I have
just used crappy cloth dusk masks from HF or HD. I always fog up my
eye protection so it is always the first to go. Unless I have my face
in router spew, I usually just have lung and eye protection.
I probably need an actual respirator that seals better and won't fog
my safety specs. Just looking for your input.
"Keith Nuttle" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On 6/14/2010 8:58 PM, Josepi wrote:
>> Reminds me of a story my brother told.
>>
>> He was cutting up jalepeños for pickling and went for a piss.
>> Now everybody would wash their hands after going for a leak but,
>> before???
>>
>> He rturns to the cutting board to continue food prep, then runs to
>> the
>> bathroom in flames.
>>
>> Hot stuff like that doesn't really wash off once soaked into the
>> skin...
>> pretty exiting for the first 10-15 minutes...OUCH....LOL
>>
>>
>> "Edward Hennessey"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>> Another caveat from experience has to do with solvents soaked into
>> your clothing. After seeing someone having
>> a flood of gas drenching his unmentionables, you don't want to hear
>> the results of not changing yourself pronto
>> if that happens to you.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Edward Hennessey
>>
>>
>>
> Obviously you have never worked in a chemical laboratory. It is
> more important to wash going in that coming out. The chemicals will
> kill what ever is on your skin, but will corrode any skin that they
> may be inadvertently left on for a long period of time.
Ken:
I deliberately didn't put "my" in the relevant sentence written above;
sorry for any misleading.
The particular experience recollected was the most profitable of all
kinds:
indirect and another's.
And if we turn your second sentence (as you obviously meant) into
"It's more important
to wash coming out than going in", we are two heads of one mind.
Don't let some suspect it "it" get on you and you don't have to worry
what it
might do to you. How many compounds that are sold as safe today will
be banned
forever in some regrettable tomorrow? More than one.
Surprisingly, we both neglected to mention glove usage with energetic
chemicals and the makeshift but excellent idea of a fan to disperse
any troublesome
vapors when that doesn't complicate things like finishing.
A glove box is a great utility for grinding, blasting and
disassembling machines
just dying to spin off small parts or launch springs into the parallel
9th dimension.
Also, they come in handy for chemical treatment of things that might
not be
attractive doing for the operator in a yard covered with 5' of deep
sky flake.
Speaking as Josepi did of plants, Euphorbias are a rich group of
African succulents
that have members with a juice so toxic it is used for fishing over
thataway. If anyone
saw the great movie "The Gods Must Be Crazy" there was a vivid scene
where
the good guys shot up some Euphorbia trees over the enemy who
surrounded them,
giving them a dripping sap bath which caused them to dance on down the
road.
Anybody who took in the film would remember that, the Bushman with the
great face and
his click language.
Regards,
Edward Hennessey
With very little exception I wear (where?) a Trend and hearing
protection at all times. When I am using my drill press with a vacuum
hose at the source I sometimes forego the Trend but a face shield is
in its place. I have about 5 face shields and hearing protectors each
in my shop and these are presented to any guests that might show up.
I also offer them the Moldex 2200N95 dust mask (it's like an underwire
bra for your face). My wife has a Trend too which she wears when she
helps out.
I use Festool sanders with their vacuum so I sometimes forego the
Trend again with this step but I prefer using it to eliminate that
dust which does get away from the vac.
Marc
On Wed, 16 Jun 2010 22:47:25 -0400, "Josepi" <[email protected]> wrote:
>dB measurements do add linearly.
Not for ear protection they certainly do *not*.
> It is a relative logarithmic scale that
>makes calculations easy for audio and small signal people to express and
>calculate.
You discount sound leakage around the ear canal. At 30dB, you're down a
factor of 1000. Conduction through the jaw bone and through the throat
passage into the inner ear become significant, which is *not* taken into
account by the muffs or plugs. The added "protection" isn't. There is good
reason there aren't products out there that are much better than about 35dB;
can't happen.
On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 10:20:03 -0400, "Josepi" <[email protected]> wrote:
>I always wear earmuffs with my cheap sliding chop saw. They hang on the
>blade cover so I have to do something with them. The ring of the blade is so
>bad it actually hurts my ears.
None of my tools are loud enough to cause pain. I've been tempted to take a
sound pressure meter home to measure them, but so far haven't thought of it
when I was going to use the tools. It's full summer now, so the tools are
probably going to get a rest for a few months. :-(
>I already have tinnitus quite bad and you don't want to share that one.
>People think it is a joke until they lay awake at nights wondering if they
>will go crazy. Sometimes I can hear it over movies rocking the house on the
>600 watt Dolby surround sound 12" speakers and bass boom box shaking the
>floor.
I've had tinnitus on and off for a few years. It doesn't bother me all that
much and it certainly doesn't keep me awake. Little does. ;-)
>I blame most of this on small staple guns and the odd framing nailer shot
>(you know the ones that just dribble out of the end?...LOL). Every so often
>you get your head and ears between two joists and the shot deafens you.
>
>Protect your ears from long or loud exposures! Unexpected ones are hard to
>protect against.
My shop tools aren't loud enough and I certainly don't use them long enough to
matter, though the router is probably pushing it. What bothers me far more is
constant sinewave I listen to occasionally at work (testing audio equipment).
I can hear them for hours afterward (mostly 1kHz).
On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 23:05:33 -0700, "Edward Hennessey"
<[email protected]> wrote the following:
>
>"Josepi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> Reminds me of a story my brother told.
>>
>> He was cutting up jalepeños for pickling and went for a piss.
>> Now everybody would wash their hands after going for a leak but,
>> before???
>>
>> He rturns to the cutting board to continue food prep, then runs to
>> the
>> bathroom in flames.
>>
>> Hot stuff like that doesn't really wash off once soaked into the
>> skin...
>> pretty exiting for the first 10-15 minutes...OUCH....LOL
White Vinegar rules here. Lemon juice works well, too.
>If you mosey on over to www.chilipepperinstitute.org ,
>you can get some seeds or sauce made from the Jolokia chili pepper.
>A hot Habanero is about 30,000 Scoville Heat Units. The Jolokia
>rates over one million SHU. Bottled purgatory.
I used to live in Sandy Eggo county. One of the Thai restaurants
there, Spicy Thai IIRC, had two different heat charts. The first was a
1 to 10 for American chiles. The second started where our hottest
chile left off and went from 1 to 20. I used to like my food hot, but
I never dared go into the Thai Zone for chile heat. They were
probably similar to Jolokias.
Ever licked a tear from a Habañero cry and gotten your mouth burnt all
over again?? ;)
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"SonomaProducts.com" <[email protected]> wrote in news:5ed99cd9-eac6-4710-
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*snip*
> I always fog up my
> eye protection so it is always the first to go. Unless I have my face
> in router spew, I usually just have lung and eye protection.
>
*snip*
You too? I've spent more money than I'd like on safety glasses and
goggles that just fog up. Anti-fog coverings give me about 2 minutes
more before they fog up. I think the problem is simply not enough air
flow.
When I wear "normal" safety goggles, they don't fog up. Those are the
kind with an array of holes drilled in the top and bottom. Try to get
something to keep the dust out, and everything starts fogging.
What I'd do if I was designing these things is drastically up the number
of vent locations. The last new pair I bought had 1 row of vents, I'd
have 6 or 7. Open vents on the bottom. They're woodworking goggles, not
chemical splash goggles, so they need only keep the dust to a minimum.
Sorry if this is a little soap-boxy, but you've hit on a source of quite
a bit of frustration.
Puckdropper
--
Never teach your apprentice everything you know.
"SonomaProducts.com" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> What eye safety do you use?
> What lung safety do you use?
>
> I think it is really a bigger question. I hate to admit it but I have
> just never fully solved this issue. I always wear hearing protection,
> usually ear muffs. I mostly ware lung protection but for years I have
> just used crappy cloth dusk masks from HF or HD. I always fog up my
> eye protection so it is always the first to go. Unless I have my face
> in router spew, I usually just have lung and eye protection.
>
> I probably need an actual respirator that seals better and won't fog
> my safety specs. Just looking for your input.
Since I used to do a fair amount of metal work, I always went with a hard
hat with everything. So the eye, ear and lung protection had to go with a
hard hat. I went down to an industrial safety supply house and got a matched
set.
And yes, the face shield does for up. But I just keep wiping it off. I
can't tell you how many times that hard hat - face shield combo saved my
ass. Or more specifically certain portions of my face and head.
For things that are safer, that do not require a face shield, I just go with
ear muffs and a respirator of some kind.
On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 11:11:25 -0700 (PDT), "SonomaProducts.com"
<[email protected]> wrote the following:
>> usually ear muffs. I mostly ware lung protection but for years I have
>
>Ware? How the heck did I get that spelling?
How about "saftey"? Don't drink and post, eh?
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On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 11:09:53 -0700 (PDT), "SonomaProducts.com"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>What eye safety do you use?
>What lung safety do you use?
When in the shop, I wear safety glasses with bifocals. Always. I
even wear them when mowing or edging the lawn, pruning, or doing
anything with tools.
For lungs, I wear a half-face respirator with HEPA filters if I'm
doing anything that rasies a lot of dust or fine wood cuttings. I
learned my lesson working padauk, and the WORST dust I've ever
experienced: imbua.
-Zz
It's called "habituation" and it does help, according to some medical
authorities.
It can also help hyperacusis.
"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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I can assure you the 600 watt Dolby surround sound 12" speakers and bass
boom box shaking the
floor is not helping your situation
"Josepi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>I always wear earmuffs with my cheap sliding chop saw. They hang on the
> blade cover so I have to do something with them. The ring of the blade is
> so
> bad it actually hurts my ears.
>
> I already have tinnitus quite bad and you don't want to share that one.
> People think it is a joke until they lay awake at nights wondering if they
> will go crazy. Sometimes I can hear it over movies rocking the house on
> the
> 600 watt Dolby surround sound 12" speakers and bass boom box shaking the
> floor.
>
> I blame most of this on small staple guns and the odd framing nailer shot
> (you know the ones that just dribble out of the end?...LOL). Every so
> often
> you get your head and ears between two joists and the shot deafens you.
>
> Protect your ears from long or loud exposures! Unexpected ones are hard to
> protect against.
Then there was that time with the Crazy Glue.....
I don't like to talk about it anymore but,
the rest of the town does....LOL
"Keith Nuttle" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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Obviously you have never worked in a chemical laboratory. It is more
important to wash going in that coming out. The chemicals will kill
what ever is on your skin, but will corrode any skin that they may be
inadvertently left on for a long period of time.
On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 11:09:53 -0700 (PDT), "SonomaProducts.com"
<[email protected]> wrote the following:
>What eye safety do you use?
Eyeglasses 18/7. (no sleepie in glassie)
Add face shield for router work/wire brushes/angle grinding.
>What lung safety do you use?
Respirator for more than 1 cut on the tablesaur (none for a quickie or
Galoot work.)
Respirator w/ organic vapor for finishing (if doors not open, and even
sometimes with the open doors, depending on the solvents.)
Respirator with dust filters for mowing, composting, and weedeating.
Earmuffs for mowing/sawing/routing/planing/impactors/shooting.
>I think it is really a bigger question. I hate to admit it but I have
>just never fully solved this issue. I always wear hearing protection,
>usually ear muffs. I mostly ware lung protection but for years I have
>just used crappy cloth dusk masks from HF or HD. I always fog up my
>eye protection so it is always the first to go. Unless I have my face
>in router spew, I usually just have lung and eye protection.
Get a good-fitting respirator with silicone mask. They're much better
for fogging. Even the exhaust-buttoned cloth masks fog my glasses,
and even if I put extra dense foam above the nosepieces. Suckage!
>I probably need an actual respirator that seals better and won't fog
>my safety specs. Just looking for your input.
Ayup. See above.
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"Josepi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Reminds me of a story my brother told.
>
> He was cutting up jalepeños for pickling and went for a piss.
> Now everybody would wash their hands after going for a leak but,
> before???
>
> He rturns to the cutting board to continue food prep, then runs to
> the
> bathroom in flames.
>
> Hot stuff like that doesn't really wash off once soaked into the
> skin...
> pretty exiting for the first 10-15 minutes...OUCH....LOL
>
>
J:
If you mosey on over to www.chilipepperinstitute.org ,
you can get some seeds or sauce made from the Jolokia chili pepper.
A hot Habanero is about 30,000 Scoville Heat Units. The Jolokia
rates over one million SHU. Bottled purgatory.
Regards,
Edward Hennessey
"SonomaProducts.com" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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but I
> have never witnessed burning skin ....
how about foreskin?
Never washed my hands before... ;~)
dB measurements do add linearly. It is a relative logarithmic scale that
makes calculations easy for audio and small signal people to express and
calculate.
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On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 10:25:18 -0400, "Josepi" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Many of our construction workers that are hearing conscious wear ear plugs
>(30dB rated) along with the ear muffs for really noisy equipment.
>
>The 60-70dB combo should get you in a better noise level for short term
>exposures.
You're *not* going to get the sum of the two by wearing a belt and
suspenders.
>It's really about the time-weighted noise curves. You can handle high
>volumes for short term exposures without recognizable cochlear damage.
Yes, but the curve certainly isn't straight. There is a point where damage
is
pretty much instantaneous and there are levels were life isn't long enough
for
damage to occur. ;-)
<...>
"SonomaProducts.com" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> What eye safety do you use?
> What lung safety do you use?
>
> I think it is really a bigger question. I hate to admit it but I
> have
> just never fully solved this issue. I always wear hearing
> protection,
> usually ear muffs. I mostly ware lung protection but for years I
> have
> just used crappy cloth dusk masks from HF or HD. I always fog up my
> eye protection so it is always the first to go. Unless I have my
> face
> in router spew, I usually just have lung and eye protection.
>
> I probably need an actual respirator that seals better and won't fog
> my safety specs. Just looking for your input.
Sometime ago I saw a chart, perhaps in Popular Science or Mechanics,
which gave the dB output
of common power tools and appliances. The most startling recollection
was how many machines
advised the user to wear both ear plugs and ear muffs in conjunction
for maximum protection. Considering
how permanent damage done to the ears is, this seemed an adoptable
precaution.
Everybody complains how quickly face shields tend toward the opaque
with any use. Better that than
the eyes. There is a face shield for acids made which gives the wearer
the appearance of a lucite flying
nun going backwards. But for ricochets and the unanticipated, it
soars.
When a unanimous declaration names goggles that won't fog, the line
will lengthen by me. On some occasions
I use goggles that take a replaceable screen insert (intended for
loggers) over a pair of safety glasses.
The screens permit air flow; the glasses stay clear and sustain few
scratches.
Paper filter masks always imperfectly bring to mind Dumbo's feather.
What they protect is a foolhardy notion
of false economy. An MSA twin cartridge safety mask is super but
facial hair doesn't benefit any seal. People
who don't use them always open up with "Isn't that hot?" or "What
about all that uncomfortable weight on
your face?" Along that line of reasoning, shoes wouldn't appear
attractive. But with 10 minutes of actually
doing something wearing a mask, the novelty--and any discomfort
initially felt--is a forgotten memory. By the
way, there is a selection of cartridges for different airborne
compounds available from MSA to fit your circumstances.
Another caveat from experience has to do with solvents soaked into
your clothing. After seeing someone having
a flood of gas drenching his unmentionables, you don't want to hear
the results of not changing yourself pronto
if that happens to you.
Regards,
Edward Hennessey
On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 21:19:01 -0400, "Josepi" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Ear plugs have reasonable leakage factored into them. The dB noise gain
>figures are still added.
WRONG! Attenuation is only additive if the attenuators are completely in
series. In this case they are not.
>The bone conduction you mention is real but not a factor in cochlear damage
>as the frequency range conducted is not a problem and cartilage tends to not
>conduct as well.
Sound is sound. Above a certain level it *will* damage the ear.
>Any sounds conducted thourh your musculoskeletal system of that magnitude
>would give you more than just cochlear damage. We are talking airborne noise
>here and the medium density impedance change is not conducive to
>transmitting noise this way. If you are talking jack-hammer vibration then
>we have a concern. Being that is not the topic of this group the rest is
>just nonsense.
The above is nothing more than word salad.
They can't see the screen. It is assumed to be more earth packing going on
in the neighbourhood and we give the "I wonder?" look, like the rest of the
hood...LOL
I have a four pitch train whistle that goes at nights sometimes, also and we
have no tracks within 40km (US = 30 miles)
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Tell your neighbours that! ;-)
in 531239 20100616 042236 "Josepi" <[email protected]> wrote:
>It's called "habituation" and it does help, according to some medical
>authorities.
>It can also help hyperacusis.
"Josepi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Reminds me of a story my brother told.
>
> He was cutting up jalepeños for pickling and went for a piss.
> Now everybody would wash their hands after going for a leak but, before???
>
> He rturns to the cutting board to continue food prep, then runs to the
> bathroom in flames.
>
> Hot stuff like that doesn't really wash off once soaked into the skin...
> pretty exiting for the first 10-15 minutes...OUCH....LOL
I can honestly say that I have eaten and handled my fair share of jalapeño
peppers. They were hot to eat and don't get the juice in your eyes but I
have never witnessed burning skin ....
"Edward Hennessey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "SonomaProducts.com" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> What eye safety do you use?
>> What lung safety do you use?
>>
>> I think it is really a bigger question. I hate to admit it but I have
>> just never fully solved this issue. I always wear hearing protection,
>> usually ear muffs. I mostly ware lung protection but for years I have
>> just used crappy cloth dusk masks from HF or HD. I always fog up my
>> eye protection so it is always the first to go. Unless I have my face
>> in router spew, I usually just have lung and eye protection.
>>
>> I probably need an actual respirator that seals better and won't fog
>> my safety specs. Just looking for your input.
>
> Sometime ago I saw a chart, perhaps in Popular Science or Mechanics, which
> gave the dB output
> of common power tools and appliances. The most startling recollection was
> how many machines
> advised the user to wear both ear plugs and ear muffs in conjunction for
> maximum protection. Considering
> how permanent damage done to the ears is, this seemed an adoptable
> precaution.
>
I've worked around industrial planers and moulders for about 25 years,
when I worked in close proximity to the machines I would wear plugs
and muffs, both good quality, certain ranges of my hearing are gone.
I don't really know how loud these planers are but I have seen them peg a
140db meter, at some level hearing protection fails as the sound travel
through the rest of your body.
basilsik
"SonomaProducts.com" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> What eye safety do you use?
> What lung safety do you use?
>
> I think it is really a bigger question. I hate to admit it but I have
> just never fully solved this issue. I always wear hearing protection,
> usually ear muffs. I mostly ware lung protection but for years I have
> just used crappy cloth dusk masks from HF or HD. I always fog up my
> eye protection so it is always the first to go. Unless I have my face
> in router spew, I usually just have lung and eye protection.
>
> I probably need an actual respirator that seals better and won't fog
> my safety specs. Just looking for your input.
I use noise canceling head phones for the router and planer, most every
thing else is relatively quiet.
I use a dust collector for the coarse stuff and the Festool vac with HEPA
filter for the fine stuff when sanding, cutting Domino mortises and probably
the TS75 track saw.
I use prescription polycarbonate lens in my daily glasses.
I now more often use my eyes and head to protect my digits.
"Edward Hennessey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "Keith Nuttle" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On 6/14/2010 8:58 PM, Josepi wrote:
>>> Reminds me of a story my brother told.
>>>
>>> He was cutting up jalepeños for pickling and went for a piss.
>>> Now everybody would wash their hands after going for a leak but,
>>> before???
>>>
>>> He rturns to the cutting board to continue food prep, then runs to
>>> the
>>> bathroom in flames.
>>>
>>> Hot stuff like that doesn't really wash off once soaked into the
>>> skin...
>>> pretty exiting for the first 10-15 minutes...OUCH....LOL
>>>
>>>
>>> "Edward Hennessey"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>> Another caveat from experience has to do with solvents soaked into
>>> your clothing. After seeing someone having
>>> a flood of gas drenching his unmentionables, you don't want to
>>> hear
>>> the results of not changing yourself pronto
>>> if that happens to you.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Edward Hennessey
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Obviously you have never worked in a chemical laboratory. It is
>> more important to wash going in that coming out. The chemicals
>> will kill what ever is on your skin, but will corrode any skin that
>> they may be inadvertently left on for a long period of time.
>
> Ken:
Keith!!!:
Soon as I sent the preceeding post--after talking with one Ken--I
realized I pulled
a dunderhead transfer and gave you a new alias. Please have my open
apologies for the slip.
Regards,
Edward Hennessey
"Doug Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> In article <[email protected]>, "Josepi" <X-Complaints-to:
> [email protected]> wrote:
>>Reminds me of a story my brother told.
>>
>>He was cutting up jalepeños for pickling and went for a piss.
>>Now everybody would wash their hands after going for a leak but, before???
>
> Friend of mine learned that lesson a few years ago. He'd been doing yard
> work.
> Didn't know he'd been handling poison ivy.
I have an older brother that is allergic to poison ivy, I'm not.
We would fight and any time it looked like he was going to best me
poison ivy provided me safe passage. Not much good in a rock fight
though.
basilisk
I hope that
SWMBO is not "single white male best offer", in this case...LOL
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On Jun 14, 9:02 pm, [email protected] (Doug Miller) wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>, "Josepi" <X-Complaints-to:
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Reminds me of a story my brother told.
>
> >He was cutting up jalepeños for pickling and went for a piss.
> >Now everybody would wash their hands after going for a leak but,
> >before???
>
> Friend of mine learned that lesson a few years ago. He'd been doing yard
> work.
> Didn't know he'd been handling poison ivy.
My son was cleaning up the yard to make some money and got into some
poison ivy. He wasn't too bad, but just picking his clothes off the
floor and moving them 3' to the washing machine was enough to give
SWMBO a *severe* case. It was everywhere, even where women *really**
don't want it. I'm not allergic to it, but don't tempt fate either.
"SonomaProducts.com" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> usually ear muffs. I mostly ware lung protection but for years I
>> have
>
> Ware? How the heck did I get that spelling?
Because you live and breathe an awareness of safety issues?
Regards,
Edward Hennessey
We were demonstrated to, in a workplace safety meeting, the use of the
better quality paper particulate filters. Ones with the heavy duty double
elastics and proper nose pinch metal with various gaskets out the
perimeters.
Nobody could make them work, period! They leak like crazy around the edges.
It was quite amusing to see the wearer, approached with the smouldering test
stick, and watch the response as the wearer jumped back gagging and coughing
as soon as the tester even got close.
The only ones that were effective were two types with the double filters on
the sides. People with moustaches had a hard time getting a seal, at any
rate. Some had claustrophobia attacks when wearing them...LOL
"SonomaProducts.com" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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What eye safety do you use?
What lung safety do you use?
I think it is really a bigger question. I hate to admit it but I have
just never fully solved this issue. I always wear hearing protection,
usually ear muffs. I mostly ware lung protection but for years I have
just used crappy cloth dusk masks from HF or HD. I always fog up my
eye protection so it is always the first to go. Unless I have my face
in router spew, I usually just have lung and eye protection.
I probably need an actual respirator that seals better and won't fog
my safety specs. Just looking for your input.
in 531239 20100616 042236 "Josepi" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>I can assure you the 600 watt Dolby surround sound 12" speakers and bass
>boom box shaking the
>floor is not helping your situation
>It's called "habituation" and it does help, according to some medical
>authorities.
>It can also help hyperacusis.
Tell your neighbours that! ;-)
On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 10:25:18 -0400, "Josepi" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Many of our construction workers that are hearing conscious wear ear plugs
>(30dB rated) along with the ear muffs for really noisy equipment.
>
>The 60-70dB combo should get you in a better noise level for short term
>exposures.
You're *not* going to get the sum of the two by wearing a belt and suspenders.
>It's really about the time-weighted noise curves. You can handle high
>volumes for short term exposures without recognizable cochlear damage.
Yes, but the curve certainly isn't straight. There is a point where damage is
pretty much instantaneous and there are levels were life isn't long enough for
damage to occur. ;-)
<...>
On Jun 14, 7:58=A0pm, "Josepi" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Reminds me of a story my brother told.
>
> He was cutting up jalepe=F1os for pickling and went for a piss.
> Now everybody would wash their hands after going for a leak but, before??=
?
>
> He rturns to the cutting board to continue food prep, then runs to the
> bathroom in flames.
Reminds me of college. One of our shop's "grommet burns" (everyone
gets together for much Mexican food and even more beer), the new kid
runs off to the bathroom. One of the wives yells out, "wash your
hands FIRST". "Huh?" Everyone splits a side...
> Hot stuff like that doesn't really wash off once soaked into the skin...
> pretty exiting for the first 10-15 minutes...OUCH....LOL
Sure it does. Use what you'd use if you ate something that was too
"hot". Water and beer just move the pain around. Bread and milk will
quench the pain. May look funny but it'll work.
Many of our construction workers that are hearing conscious wear ear plugs
(30dB rated) along with the ear muffs for really noisy equipment.
The 60-70dB combo should get you in a better noise level for short term
exposures.
It's really about the time-weighted noise curves. You can handle high
volumes for short term exposures without recognizable cochlear damage.
"basilisk" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:f%[email protected]...
None of them better 35dB. If your planers were really 140dBA at the
operators ears, ear muffs can't work (105dB exceeds OSHA limits).
BTW, we've measured 120dBA on a football field. The plastic horns in
the World Cup raise that to 127dBA, from the reports.
Most mills put the planers in a concrete containment building that lowers
noise level to an acceptable level in the main building but makes the
levels that much higher in the containment. The operator doesn't
spend much time in the containment when the planer is running
full tilt.
basilisk
On Jun 15, 8:43=A0am, "basilisk" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Edward Hennessey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
>
>
> > "SonomaProducts.com" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
> >> What eye safety do you use?
> >> What lung safety do you use?
>
> >> I think it is really a bigger question. I hate to admit it but I have
> >> just never fully solved this issue. I always wear hearing protection,
> >> usually ear muffs. I mostly ware lung protection but for years I have
> >> just used crappy cloth dusk masks from HF or HD. I always fog up my
> >> eye protection so it is always the first to go. Unless I have my face
> >> in router spew, I usually just have lung and eye protection.
>
> >> I probably need an actual respirator that seals better and won't fog
> >> my safety specs. Just looking for your input.
>
> > Sometime ago I saw a chart, perhaps in Popular Science or Mechanics, wh=
ich
> > gave the dB output
> > of common power tools and appliances. The most startling recollection w=
as
> > how many machines
> > advised the user to wear both ear plugs and ear muffs in conjunction fo=
r
> > maximum protection. Considering
> > how permanent damage done to the ears is, this seemed an adoptable
> > precaution.
>
> I've worked around industrial planers and moulders for about 25 years,
> when I worked in close proximity to the machines I would wear plugs
> and muffs, both good quality, certain ranges of my hearing are gone.
>
> I don't really know how loud these planers are but I have seen them peg a
> 140db meter, at some level hearing protection fails as the sound travel
> through the rest of your body.
None of them better 35dB. If your planers were really 140dBA at the
operators ears, ear muffs can't work (105dB exceeds OSHA limits).
BTW, we've measured 120dBA on a football field. The plastic horns in
the World Cup raise that to 127dBA, from the reports.
<[email protected]> wrote in message
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On Jun 15, 8:43 am, "basilisk" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Edward Hennessey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
>
>
> > "SonomaProducts.com" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
> >> What eye safety do you use?
> >> What lung safety do you use?
>
> >> I think it is really a bigger question. I hate to admit it but I have
> >> just never fully solved this issue. I always wear hearing protection,
> >> usually ear muffs. I mostly ware lung protection but for years I have
> >> just used crappy cloth dusk masks from HF or HD. I always fog up my
> >> eye protection so it is always the first to go. Unless I have my face
> >> in router spew, I usually just have lung and eye protection.
>
> >> I probably need an actual respirator that seals better and won't fog
> >> my safety specs. Just looking for your input.
>
> > Sometime ago I saw a chart, perhaps in Popular Science or Mechanics,
> > which
> > gave the dB output
> > of common power tools and appliances. The most startling recollection
> > was
> > how many machines
> > advised the user to wear both ear plugs and ear muffs in conjunction for
> > maximum protection. Considering
> > how permanent damage done to the ears is, this seemed an adoptable
> > precaution.
>
> I've worked around industrial planers and moulders for about 25 years,
> when I worked in close proximity to the machines I would wear plugs
> and muffs, both good quality, certain ranges of my hearing are gone.
>
> I don't really know how loud these planers are but I have seen them peg a
> 140db meter, at some level hearing protection fails as the sound travel
> through the rest of your body.
None of them better 35dB. If your planers were really 140dBA at the
operators ears, ear muffs can't work (105dB exceeds OSHA limits).
BTW, we've measured 120dBA on a football field. The plastic horns in
the World Cup raise that to 127dBA, from the reports.
Most mills put the planers in a concrete containment building that lowers
noise level to an acceptable level in the main building but makes the
levels that much higher in the containment. The operator doesn't
spend much time in the containment when the planer is running
full tilt.
basilisk
On Jun 14, 9:02=A0pm, [email protected] (Doug Miller) wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>, "Josepi" <X-Complaints-to=
: [email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Reminds me of a story my brother told.
>
> >He was cutting up jalepe=F1os for pickling and went for a piss.
> >Now everybody would wash their hands after going for a leak but, before?=
??
>
> Friend of mine learned that lesson a few years ago. He'd been doing yard =
work.
> Didn't know he'd been handling poison ivy.
My son was cleaning up the yard to make some money and got into some
poison ivy. He wasn't too bad, but just picking his clothes off the
floor and moving them 3' to the washing machine was enough to give
SWMBO a *severe* case. It was everywhere, even where women *really**
don't want it. I'm not allergic to it, but don't tempt fate either.
"SonomaProducts.com" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> What eye safety do you use?
> What lung safety do you use?
>
> I think it is really a bigger question. I hate to admit it but I have
> just never fully solved this issue. I always wear hearing protection,
> usually ear muffs. I mostly ware lung protection but for years I have
> just used crappy cloth dusk masks from HF or HD. I always fog up my
> eye protection so it is always the first to go. Unless I have my face
> in router spew, I usually just have lung and eye protection.
>
> I probably need an actual respirator that seals better and won't fog
> my safety specs. Just looking for your input.
Lungs - the crappy paper masks and heavy duty vacuum dust control
Hearing - standard muffs
Eyes - full face shield - had a turned bowl blow up in process and a piece
clipped the shield instead of my head!
the face shield does not seem to fog as quickly as glasses with side
protection do.
That said, this is strictly hobby for me.
In article <[email protected]>, "Josepi" <X-Complaints-to: [email protected]> wrote:
>Reminds me of a story my brother told.
>
>He was cutting up jalepeños for pickling and went for a piss.
>Now everybody would wash their hands after going for a leak but, before???
Friend of mine learned that lesson a few years ago. He'd been doing yard work.
Didn't know he'd been handling poison ivy.
On 6/14/2010 8:58 PM, Josepi wrote:
> Reminds me of a story my brother told.
>
> He was cutting up jalepeños for pickling and went for a piss.
> Now everybody would wash their hands after going for a leak but, before???
>
> He rturns to the cutting board to continue food prep, then runs to the
> bathroom in flames.
>
> Hot stuff like that doesn't really wash off once soaked into the skin...
> pretty exiting for the first 10-15 minutes...OUCH....LOL
>
>
> "Edward Hennessey"<[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> Another caveat from experience has to do with solvents soaked into
> your clothing. After seeing someone having
> a flood of gas drenching his unmentionables, you don't want to hear
> the results of not changing yourself pronto
> if that happens to you.
>
> Regards,
>
> Edward Hennessey
>
>
>
Obviously you have never worked in a chemical laboratory. It is more
important to wash going in that coming out. The chemicals will kill
what ever is on your skin, but will corrode any skin that they may be
inadvertently left on for a long period of time.
"Doug Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>, "Josepi" <X-Complaints-to:
> [email protected]> wrote:
>>Reminds me of a story my brother told.
>>
>>He was cutting up jalepeños for pickling and went for a piss.
>>Now everybody would wash their hands after going for a leak but, before???
>
> Friend of mine learned that lesson a few years ago. He'd been doing yard
> work.
> Didn't know he'd been handling poison ivy.
Guy did Playboy cartoons way back in early 60s did a cartoon on who touched
whom where after the poison ivy ... Hilarious.
"Josepi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> We were demonstrated to, in a workplace safety meeting, the use of the
> better quality paper particulate filters. Ones with the heavy duty double
> elastics and proper nose pinch metal with various gaskets out the
> perimeters.
>
> Nobody could make them work, period! They leak like crazy around the
> edges.
> It was quite amusing to see the wearer, approached with the smouldering
> test
> stick, and watch the response as the wearer jumped back gagging and
> coughing
> as soon as the tester even got close.
>
> The only ones that were effective were two types with the double filters
> on
> the sides. People with moustaches had a hard time getting a seal, at any
> rate. Some had claustrophobia attacks when wearing them...LOL
I was taught basic lung safety in basic training. Tear gas and smoke. With
masks and without for at least a minute. Then there were the colored smoke
grenades dropped down the concrete pipe - blew blue, yellow and red snot for
days.
On 6/14/2010 10:15 PM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
> On 6/14/2010 8:58 PM, Josepi wrote:
>> Reminds me of a story my brother told.
>>
>> He was cutting up jalepeños for pickling and went for a piss.
>> Now everybody would wash their hands after going for a leak but,
>> before???
>>
>> He rturns to the cutting board to continue food prep, then runs to the
>> bathroom in flames.
>>
>> Hot stuff like that doesn't really wash off once soaked into the skin...
>> pretty exiting for the first 10-15 minutes...OUCH....LOL
>>
>>
>> "Edward Hennessey"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>> Another caveat from experience has to do with solvents soaked into
>> your clothing. After seeing someone having
>> a flood of gas drenching his unmentionables, you don't want to hear
>> the results of not changing yourself pronto
>> if that happens to you.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Edward Hennessey
>>
>>
>>
> Obviously you have never worked in a chemical laboratory. It is more
> important to wash going in that coming out. The chemicals will kill what
> ever is on your skin, but will corrode any skin that they may be
> inadvertently left on for a long period of time.
Old joke--the difference between a chemist and a physicist is that a
chemist washes his hands _before_ he goes to the bathroom.
On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 11:09:53 -0700, SonomaProducts.com wrote:
> What eye safety do you use?
> What lung safety do you use?
>
> I think it is really a bigger question. I hate to admit it but I have
> just never fully solved this issue. I always wear hearing protection,
> usually ear muffs. I mostly ware lung protection but for years I have
> just used crappy cloth dusk masks from HF or HD. I always fog up my eye
> protection so it is always the first to go. Unless I have my face in
> router spew, I usually just have lung and eye protection.
>
I wear safety goggles and earmuffs as the situation requires. For dust
control I use a DustBeeGone mask I bought about 20 years ago. For
noxious fumes I have what I call a gas mask :-).
And I hate wearing all of them except the earmuffs :-).
--
Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw
In article <[email protected]>, "Josepi" <X-Complaints-to: [email protected]> wrote:
[top posting fixed - please stop doing that]
>
><[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:ff84d147-772e-4c1a-8832-99b09fe7565a@w12g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
>On Jun 14, 9:02 pm, [email protected] (Doug Miller) wrote:
>> In article <[email protected]>, "Josepi" <X-Complaints-to:
>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >Reminds me of a story my brother told.
>>
>> >He was cutting up jalepeños for pickling and went for a piss.
>> >Now everybody would wash their hands after going for a leak but,
>> >before???
>>
>> Friend of mine learned that lesson a few years ago. He'd been doing yard
>> work.
>> Didn't know he'd been handling poison ivy.
>
>My son was cleaning up the yard to make some money and got into some
>poison ivy. He wasn't too bad, but just picking his clothes off the
>floor and moving them 3' to the washing machine was enough to give
>SWMBO a *severe* case. It was everywhere, even where women *really**
>don't want it. I'm not allergic to it, but don't tempt fate either.
>
>I hope that
>
>SWMBO is not "single white male best offer", in this case...LOL
>
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=swmbo
Ear plugs have reasonable leakage factored into them. The dB noise gain
figures are still added.
The bone conduction you mention is real but not a factor in cochlear damage
as the frequency range conducted is not a problem and cartilage tends to not
conduct as well.
Any sounds conducted thourh your musculoskeletal system of that magnitude
would give you more than just cochlear damage. We are talking airborne noise
here and the medium density impedance change is not conducive to
transmitting noise this way. If you are talking jack-hammer vibration then
we have a concern. Being that is not the topic of this group the rest is
just nonsense.
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
You discount sound leakage around the ear canal. At 30dB, you're down a
factor of 1000. Conduction through the jaw bone and through the throat
passage into the inner ear become significant, which is *not* taken into
account by the muffs or plugs. The added "protection" isn't. There is good
reason there aren't products out there that are much better than about 35dB;
can't happen.
On Wed, 16 Jun 2010 22:47:25 -0400, "Josepi" <[email protected]> wrote:
>dB measurements do add linearly.
Not for ear protection they certainly do *not*.
> It is a relative logarithmic scale that
>makes calculations easy for audio and small signal people to express and
>calculate.
I always wear earmuffs with my cheap sliding chop saw. They hang on the
blade cover so I have to do something with them. The ring of the blade is so
bad it actually hurts my ears.
I already have tinnitus quite bad and you don't want to share that one.
People think it is a joke until they lay awake at nights wondering if they
will go crazy. Sometimes I can hear it over movies rocking the house on the
600 watt Dolby surround sound 12" speakers and bass boom box shaking the
floor.
I blame most of this on small staple guns and the odd framing nailer shot
(you know the ones that just dribble out of the end?...LOL). Every so often
you get your head and ears between two joists and the shot deafens you.
Protect your ears from long or loud exposures! Unexpected ones are hard to
protect against.
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:eafaca7f-039b-43f3-bae1-d665aad4af49@i31g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
None of them better 35dB. If your planers were really 140dBA at the
operators ears, ear muffs can't work (105dB exceeds OSHA limits).
BTW, we've measured 120dBA on a football field. The plastic horns in
the World Cup raise that to 127dBA, from the reports.
How about just one skin?
"SonomaProducts.com" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:dcb13ece-d700-40ab-85df-
how about foreskin?
[email protected]...
but I
> have never witnessed burning skin ....
Reminds me of a story my brother told.
He was cutting up jalepeños for pickling and went for a piss.
Now everybody would wash their hands after going for a leak but, before???
He rturns to the cutting board to continue food prep, then runs to the
bathroom in flames.
Hot stuff like that doesn't really wash off once soaked into the skin...
pretty exiting for the first 10-15 minutes...OUCH....LOL
"Edward Hennessey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
Another caveat from experience has to do with solvents soaked into
your clothing. After seeing someone having
a flood of gas drenching his unmentionables, you don't want to hear
the results of not changing yourself pronto
if that happens to you.
Regards,
Edward Hennessey
After woodworking or working with any dusty materials, now, I typically will
flush my sinuses with saline solution after. Lots of black snot and the
sinus infections don't typically happen a week later.
This can be done with a cheap purchased spray injector, homemade saline
solution refill, or sucking saline solution (the best method) up through
your nose like a straw from a small glass and spitting it out in the sink.
If the water is warm and a bit salty it is completely neutral and hardly
felt. Before the weak stomached ones get all horny this is exactly what your
tears are made of when they drain into your nasal passages...LOL
http://www.google.ca/search?q=neti+pot+instructions&hl=en&rlz=1G1GGLQ_ENCA273&prmd=v&source=univ&tbs=vid:1&tbo=u&ei=KIAXTMD6FoWKlwfctaDKCw&sa=X&oi=video_result_group&ct=title&resnum=4&ved=0CDgQqwQwAw
"Lobby Dosser" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
I was taught basic lung safety in basic training. Tear gas and smoke. With
masks and without for at least a minute. Then there were the colored smoke
grenades dropped down the concrete pipe - blew blue, yellow and red snot for
days.
"Josepi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I always wear earmuffs with my cheap sliding chop saw. They hang on the
> blade cover so I have to do something with them. The ring of the blade is
> so
> bad it actually hurts my ears.
>
> I already have tinnitus quite bad and you don't want to share that one.
> People think it is a joke until they lay awake at nights wondering if they
> will go crazy. Sometimes I can hear it over movies rocking the house on
> the
> 600 watt Dolby surround sound 12" speakers and bass boom box shaking the
> floor.
>
> I blame most of this on small staple guns and the odd framing nailer shot
> (you know the ones that just dribble out of the end?...LOL). Every so
> often
> you get your head and ears between two joists and the shot deafens you.
>
> Protect your ears from long or loud exposures! Unexpected ones are hard to
> protect against.
I can assure you the 600 watt Dolby surround sound 12" speakers and bass
boom box shaking the
floor is not helping your situation