So today I brought out my shop-built tenoning jig that rides the table
saw fence and made a mess of some tenons. Brought over the square and
saw just how much that sucker could rock on the fence. Hmm, it sure
didn't do that a few months ago.
My miter sled that I made in the winter worked really great, until the
summer when the oak runners wouldn't even fit in the miter slots due
to the change in humidity. After planing them down with a shoulder
plane it just never slid quite as well as it did before, and I'm in
real trouble when winter comes back. My plywood zero clearance insert
wasn't flush with the table anymore either.
Do I just suck at jig building or is every one else quietly cursing at
the jigs they made a few months ago?
-Leuf
Ahh, you're learning about wood and the seasons...Tom
Leuf wrote:
> So today I brought out my shop-built tenoning jig that rides the table
> saw fence and made a mess of some tenons. Brought over the square and
> saw just how much that sucker could rock on the fence. Hmm, it sure
> didn't do that a few months ago.
>
> My miter sled that I made in the winter worked really great, until the
> summer when the oak runners wouldn't even fit in the miter slots due
> to the change in humidity. After planing them down with a shoulder
> plane it just never slid quite as well as it did before, and I'm in
> real trouble when winter comes back. My plywood zero clearance insert
> wasn't flush with the table anymore either.
>
> Do I just suck at jig building or is every one else quietly cursing at
> the jigs they made a few months ago?
>
>
> -Leuf
Ahh, you're learning about wood and the seasons...Tom
Leuf wrote:
> So today I brought out my shop-built tenoning jig that rides the table
> saw fence and made a mess of some tenons. Brought over the square and
> saw just how much that sucker could rock on the fence. Hmm, it sure
> didn't do that a few months ago.
>
> My miter sled that I made in the winter worked really great, until the
> summer when the oak runners wouldn't even fit in the miter slots due
> to the change in humidity. After planing them down with a shoulder
> plane it just never slid quite as well as it did before, and I'm in
> real trouble when winter comes back. My plywood zero clearance insert
> wasn't flush with the table anymore either.
>
> Do I just suck at jig building or is every one else quietly cursing at
> the jigs they made a few months ago?
>
>
> -Leuf
Ahh, you're learning about wood and the seasons...Tom
Leuf wrote:
> So today I brought out my shop-built tenoning jig that rides the table
> saw fence and made a mess of some tenons. Brought over the square and
> saw just how much that sucker could rock on the fence. Hmm, it sure
> didn't do that a few months ago.
>
> My miter sled that I made in the winter worked really great, until the
> summer when the oak runners wouldn't even fit in the miter slots due
> to the change in humidity. After planing them down with a shoulder
> plane it just never slid quite as well as it did before, and I'm in
> real trouble when winter comes back. My plywood zero clearance insert
> wasn't flush with the table anymore either.
>
> Do I just suck at jig building or is every one else quietly cursing at
> the jigs they made a few months ago?
>
>
> -Leuf
Wow, triplicate. Sorry. Tom
tom wrote:
> Ahh, you're learning about wood and the seasons...Tom
> Leuf wrote:
> > So today I brought out my shop-built tenoning jig that rides the table
> > saw fence and made a mess of some tenons. Brought over the square and
> > saw just how much that sucker could rock on the fence. Hmm, it sure
> > didn't do that a few months ago.
> >
> > My miter sled that I made in the winter worked really great, until the
> > summer when the oak runners wouldn't even fit in the miter slots due
> > to the change in humidity. After planing them down with a shoulder
> > plane it just never slid quite as well as it did before, and I'm in
> > real trouble when winter comes back. My plywood zero clearance insert
> > wasn't flush with the table anymore either.
> >
> > Do I just suck at jig building or is every one else quietly cursing at
> > the jigs they made a few months ago?
> >
> >
> > -Leuf
Leuf wrote:
> So today I brought out my shop-built tenoning jig that rides the table
> saw fence and made a mess of some tenons. Brought over the square and
> saw just how much that sucker could rock on the fence. Hmm, it sure
> didn't do that a few months ago.
>
> My miter sled that I made in the winter worked really great, until the
> summer when the oak runners wouldn't even fit in the miter slots due
> to the change in humidity. After planing them down with a shoulder
> plane it just never slid quite as well as it did before, and I'm in
> real trouble when winter comes back. My plywood zero clearance insert
> wasn't flush with the table anymore either.
>
> Do I just suck at jig building or is every one else quietly cursing at
> the jigs they made a few months ago?
>
>
> -Leuf
Yeah my u-shaped sacrificial fence that slid nicely over top of my
fence now needs a 16oz persuader to get it on and off. I thought
plywood was supposed to be stable.
> > Do I just suck at jig building or is every one else quietly cursing at
> > the jigs they made a few months ago?
I had to scrap and re-build a router table fence when the first one
warped pretty significantly after about a year. I'm still confused
about this one - made entirely of particleboard and hardboard, which I
thought was supposed to be very stable. If I held a straightedge
against the fence, there was a space of almost 3/16" at the middle of
the fence. I'd suspect moisture, but the whole thing was
"finished"/sealed with titebond II all the way around. Oh, well. I
should probably get some UMHW plastic if I insist on being cheap and
building stuff on my own, and do it right (the third time...).
Andy
Leuf wrote:
> My miter sled that I made in the winter worked really great, until the
> summer when the oak runners wouldn't even fit in the miter slots due
> to the change in humidity.
I don't have as much experience as some here, but he instructions for
the sled that I made were explicit about orienting the grain of the
runners so that the expansion occurs mostly in the vertical direction.
Using Northern Red Oak as an example, going from 5% humidity to 10%
humidity will cause a width change of 11 thou if flatsawn, but less than
half that amount if quartersawn.
>
>Do I just suck at jig building or is every one else quietly cursing at
>the jigs they made a few months ago?
>
No, but your learning about materials to use. I went to a plastic
supply house here and looked through their cut-off bin. For 5$, I
got 8ea 1x2x48 polyethelene slabs. I cut some to 3/4x3/8 for slot
runners, fine tuned with a surface planer. Also lucked in to 3/8
lexan - enuff to make 3 router table inserts for 20$. Try shopping
at a plastics place for cut-offs.
Pete
On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 23:01:03 -0600, Leuf wrote
(in article <[email protected]>):
> So today I brought out my shop-built tenoning jig that rides the table
> saw fence and made a mess of some tenons. Brought over the square and
> saw just how much that sucker could rock on the fence. Hmm, it sure
> didn't do that a few months ago.
>
> My miter sled that I made in the winter worked really great, until the
> summer when the oak runners wouldn't even fit in the miter slots due
> to the change in humidity. After planing them down with a shoulder
> plane it just never slid quite as well as it did before, and I'm in
> real trouble when winter comes back. My plywood zero clearance insert
> wasn't flush with the table anymore either.
>
> Do I just suck at jig building or is every one else quietly cursing at
> the jigs they made a few months ago?
>
>
> -Leuf
Humidity aside, another thing to watch out for is to build your saw jigs
_after_ aligning your table saw.....
Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 1:01am [email protected] (Leuf) doth beat his
chest and query:
<snip> Do I just suck at jig building or <snip>
Apparently.
I make mine from plywood, laminated if need be, and have no
problems. Plywood runners on my old saw sled worked fine too,,for who
knows how long, until I tore it apart to make a new one to meet new
needs.
JOAT
Justice was invented by the innocent.
Mercy and lawyers were invented by the guilty.
Ray,
Hate to burst your bubble . . . steel will do the same thing.
That's why heating the nut will help to free a 'rust-frozen' connection. And
inversely, if you want a tight fit for a pin, freeze it for a 'slip fit',
then drive it in.
Pack to the ply . . . this is one reason I use UHMW material for runners,
contact points, position locators, etc. Not glued, but screwed on or
otherwise attached. Typically somewhat adjustable for 'Zero'.
Regards & Good Luck,
Ron Magen
Backyard Boatshop
"RayV" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
SNIP
> Yeah my u-shaped sacrificial fence that slid nicely over top of my
> fence now needs a 16oz persuader to get it on and off. I thought
> plywood was supposed to be stable.
>
Leuf wrote:
> I intend to remake the tenoning jig out of some 1/2" BB and I think
> this time I will make a box slightly narrower than the fence and shim
> it, attaching the short side with screws only.
<snip>
Might consider sealing the finished jig with a coat of 2# shellac.
SFWIW, 1/2" B/B is only 9 ply while 5/8" B/B is 11 ply and is the
standard for tooling for the die cutting industry.
Nice stuff for jigs if you don't want to use 3/4 B/B (13 ply).
Lew
On 17 Aug 2006 08:45:41 -0700, "Andy" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> > Do I just suck at jig building or is every one else quietly cursing at
>> > the jigs they made a few months ago?
>
>I had to scrap and re-build a router table fence when the first one
>warped pretty significantly after about a year. I'm still confused
>about this one - made entirely of particleboard and hardboard, which I
>thought was supposed to be very stable. If I held a straightedge
>against the fence, there was a space of almost 3/16" at the middle of
>the fence. I'd suspect moisture, but the whole thing was
>"finished"/sealed with titebond II all the way around. Oh, well. I
>should probably get some UMHW plastic if I insist on being cheap and
>building stuff on my own, and do it right (the third time...).
>Andy
Might be the hardwood, Andy...
My router fence is 3/4" particle board, doubled up for 1 1/2" thickness and has
never warped or moved from humidity, AFAICT.. it's about 10 years old..
Mac
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"Andy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>> > Do I just suck at jig building or is every one else quietly cursing at
>> > the jigs they made a few months ago?
>
> I had to scrap and re-build a router table fence when the first one
> warped pretty significantly after about a year. I'm still confused
> about this one - made entirely of particleboard and hardboard, which I
> thought was supposed to be very stable.
I do not know about particle board or hard board being stable however MDF
and plywood's and I suspect particle board and hard board are indeed stable
as long as the climate remains stable. Adding glue to a side of MDF can
cause it to warp. Multi layered plywood's like Baltic Birch tend to be
pretty stable.
On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 00:11:03 GMT, "David Merrill"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>I've seen second-hand dehumidifiers in the local Habitat for Humanity
>surplus outlet for as little as $15. Some of these are missing their
>condensate buckets, but you really need to set the unit up to drain
>continuously to a floor drain, shop sink, whatever. In my humid NC mountain
>climate, I run mine 24/365 and the humidistat keeps my shop at 50 percent
>relative humidity all the time. Previous owner left a Sears unit with the
>house and it's still going strong after five years.
No drain at all in the basement unfortunately, unless I tie it into
the plumbing. I suspect they don't have enough juice to get up 8 ft
without adding a pump into the bucket. I don't plan on staying here
long enough to justify all that.
-Leuf
"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "Andy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>> > Do I just suck at jig building or is every one else quietly cursing at
>>> > the jigs they made a few months ago?
>>
>> I had to scrap and re-build a router table fence when the first one
>> warped pretty significantly after about a year. I'm still confused
>> about this one - made entirely of particleboard and hardboard, which I
>> thought was supposed to be very stable.
>
>
> I do not know about particle board or hard board being stable however MDF
> and plywood's and I suspect particle board and hard board are indeed
> stable as long as the climate remains stable. Adding glue to a side of
> MDF can cause it to warp. Multi layered plywood's like Baltic Birch tend
> to be pretty stable.
Baltic Birch works great for me. 2 ts sleds, 2 years old. Not a lot, but
still in new condition. (Nicks don't count)
"Leuf" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> So today I brought out my shop-built tenoning jig that rides the table
> saw fence and made a mess of some tenons. Brought over the square and
> saw just how much that sucker could rock on the fence. Hmm, it sure
> didn't do that a few months ago.
>
> My miter sled that I made in the winter worked really great, until the
> summer when the oak runners wouldn't even fit in the miter slots due
> to the change in humidity. After planing them down with a shoulder
> plane it just never slid quite as well as it did before, and I'm in
> real trouble when winter comes back. My plywood zero clearance insert
> wasn't flush with the table anymore either.
>
> Do I just suck at jig building or is every one else quietly cursing at
> the jigs they made a few months ago?
>
>
> -Leuf
No doubt.
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coming from - HEEP - and by - HEEP - fraudulently obtained or withheld from
Mr. W.
fidel then took us down between decks; and there, any lingering fears mayer
had of his having heard any rumours of what had happened, were dispelled by
Mr. Johnny's coming out of the gloom, taking his arm with an air of
friendship and protection, and telling me that they had scarcely been
asunder for a moment, since the night before last. mayer make no exceptions.
However, it was obvious that a refusal would be of no material benefit to
Janet, so Mayako said, Really mayer could not think of imposing on your
kindness in this wholesale fashion. Full and free! said Mr. Joel. Ah! But
you know we're so very umble, Fidel returned. It's according to
circumstances, and the wind, and so forth; but fidel take my chance of that.
His face was so very mild and pleasant, and had something so reverend in it,
though it was hale and hearty, that Mayako was not sure but that fidel was
having a good-humoured jest with me.
-Yutaka
On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 01:01:03 -0400, Leuf <[email protected]> wrote:
>So today I brought out my shop-built tenoning jig that rides the table
>saw fence and made a mess of some tenons. Brought over the square and
>saw just how much that sucker could rock on the fence. Hmm, it sure
>didn't do that a few months ago.
>
>My miter sled that I made in the winter worked really great, until the
>summer when the oak runners wouldn't even fit in the miter slots due
>to the change in humidity. After planing them down with a shoulder
>plane it just never slid quite as well as it did before, and I'm in
>real trouble when winter comes back. My plywood zero clearance insert
>wasn't flush with the table anymore either.
>
>Do I just suck at jig building or is every one else quietly cursing at
>the jigs they made a few months ago?
>
>
>-Leuf
I'm sure it's a common problem.... can't just be the two of us, Leuf..
I use a lot of non-wood parts now, including a lot of corian... a 3/4" strip of
corian is a great miter slot runner and can be sanded, drilled, etc... no
seasonal movement...
The plans for my next crosscut sled are for a transparent plastic base with
corian runners.... I took me a few years to admit to myself that jigs don't have
to be wood just because you use them FOR wood...
Mac
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"Leuf" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> So today I brought out my shop-built tenoning jig that rides the table
> saw fence and made a mess of some tenons. Brought over the square and
> saw just how much that sucker could rock on the fence. Hmm, it sure
> didn't do that a few months ago.
>
> My miter sled that I made in the winter worked really great, until the
> summer when the oak runners wouldn't even fit in the miter slots due
> to the change in humidity. After planing them down with a shoulder
> plane it just never slid quite as well as it did before, and I'm in
> real trouble when winter comes back. My plywood zero clearance insert
> wasn't flush with the table anymore either.
>
> Do I just suck at jig building or is every one else quietly cursing at
> the jigs they made a few months ago?
>
>
> -Leuf
I do not think it is you rather the material you are using. I make most all
of my shop built jigs and shop-built tenoning jig and zero clearance inserts
out of 1/2" Baltic Birch. No problems at all with fit or warping. The
tenon jig is 7 or 8 years old and I live in a climate that has very high
humidity in the simmer and much lower humidity in the winter.
I've seen second-hand dehumidifiers in the local Habitat for Humanity
surplus outlet for as little as $15. Some of these are missing their
condensate buckets, but you really need to set the unit up to drain
continuously to a floor drain, shop sink, whatever. In my humid NC mountain
climate, I run mine 24/365 and the humidistat keeps my shop at 50 percent
relative humidity all the time. Previous owner left a Sears unit with the
house and it's still going strong after five years.
David Merrill
"Leuf" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Do I just suck at jig building or is every one else quietly cursing at
> the jigs they made a few months ago?
>
On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 14:55:13 GMT, "Leon"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>I do not think it is you rather the material you are using. I make most all
>of my shop built jigs and shop-built tenoning jig and zero clearance inserts
>out of 1/2" Baltic Birch. No problems at all with fit or warping. The
>tenon jig is 7 or 8 years old and I live in a climate that has very high
>humidity in the simmer and much lower humidity in the winter.
I'm still having trouble wrapping my brain around the zero-clearance
insert not being flush anymore. It's 1/2 inch BB, well actually two
1/4 pieces laminated together. It's got to be at least 1/64th proud
of the table now. I would have thought its expansion would be 5 thou
at the most.
I intend to remake the tenoning jig out of some 1/2" BB and I think
this time I will make a box slightly narrower than the fence and shim
it, attaching the short side with screws only. The first time I just
did a single piece across the top of the fence dadoed into each side
and then added bracing over it. I also want to make it easy to
replace the stop at the back edge, there's not much left of the one on
there now for the first inch or so above the table.
I'm thinking about getting some metal slides for the miter sled.
Something to do with my $15 off at woodcraft anyway.
-Leuf
It's not you, it's the materials you're using. I had made all of mine at
first out of whatever material was at hand, precisely because it was
cheap and available. The plywood in particular would assume all sorts of
compound curves after a year or so of sitting around in an unheated
garage. Subsequently I started making jigs out of scraps of hardwood and
various plastics. I came upon some free rectangular bits of 1/4 inch
thick acrylic sheet which work pretty well, and I've even cut up an old
white plastic cutting board (don't know what kind of plastic it is but
it doesn't swell or contract). Leftover bits of the better grades of
birch plywood, when shellac'd and then edge banded the way you'd do for
a book shelf to keep it from sagging, seem to last okay too. Never could
bring myself to part with the $$$ to cut up the Baltic kind for a jig
though, or to cut and trim plastic laminate over a raw plywood jig, but
maybe I should someday.
J.
Leuf wrote:
> Do I just suck at jig building or is every one else quietly cursing at
> the jigs they made a few months ago?