On 17 June, 10:48, "Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote:
> Another set has been posted on the web site:
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
#1957
Fishing? trap? Don't think it's a spear, as there's no handle, so I
guess it's baited and left tied by the rope on the left. I'd like to
think it's an octopus trap, with sucker carvings on one piece to
attract prey by sympathetic magic 8-)
#1958
Lock gate. Canal is gone, but you can see one bank behind.
#1959
Ring cutter to release fingers
#1960
Single or double-ended wad punch. Does it make circles or holes? I'm
going to guess it's a high-speed manual tool for cutting musket
patches two at a time, switching to a single cut for using up the
offcuts.
#1961
Electric blower, for carefully distributing and controlling airflow,
but what on earth for?
#1962
Bundle tier. Place the bundle of coppiced sticks (?) in the saddle,
tighten them up with a strap and the ratchet winch on the left, then
tie them up with string.
In article <[email protected]>, Rob H. <[email protected]>
wrote:
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
1957 is a fish gaffe, probably for salmon.
1960 looks like it's for making wood dowels.
--
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money.â - Margaret Thatcher
In article <[email protected]>, Rob H. <[email protected]>
wrote:
> >>
> >> Fish hook is correct although it's not for salmon but for a different
> >> particular fish.
> >>
> >>
> >> Rob
> >
> >
> > are eels fish? do people catch eels with "hooks"?
>
>
> I'm not sure about either of these questions but eels is not the answer that
> I was looking for.
>
>
> Rob
If not salmon, I'll guess halibut.
--
âThe problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other peopleâs
money.â - Margaret Thatcher
On Fri, 18 Jun 2010 15:13:38 -0400, Spehro Pefhany wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Jun 2010 13:53:32 -0400, Ted Schuerzinger
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 18 Jun 2010 05:33:13 -0700 (PDT), humunculus wrote:
>>
>>> Took it out about 4 months later, tossed the frozen
>>> pieces in a frying pan and turned on the heat to cook it up. Once they
>>> started to thaw, each section started twitching in the pan. Amazing.
>>
>>In the immortal words of Ogden Nash:
>>
>>I don't mind eels,
>>Except as meals.
>>And the way they feels.
>
> eel poetry?
>
> When an eel bites your knee,
> as you swim in the sea..
> that's a Moray
>
> Japanese Unagi don (BBQ eel on rice) is pretty good.
> http://www.plateoftheday.com/food_blog/japanese_food/unagiOverRice.gif
Or as seen in a BC (johnny heart) book
When an eel lunges out
and bites off your snout
that's a Moray
"Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Another set has been posted on the web site:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
>
> Rob
1959 - is it a tool for cutting rings (jewellery) from fingers, as used by
firefighters, EMS staff.
On Jun 18, 11:06=A0am, Ade <[email protected]> wrote:
> [email protected] did gone and wrote:
>
>
>
> > > #1961
> > > Electric blower, for carefully distributing and controlling airflow,
> > > but what on earth for?
>
> > This one would be very difficult to guess the purpose of the device, th=
e
> > photo at the link below has a strong hint for it:
>
> >http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v80/harnett65/Album11/pic1961e.jpg
>
> It could be what Don said - a testing machine - or maybe it's a fancy
> "keep your cigar lit" device; instead of putting it in an ashtray while
> you take your go at the snooker table (for example), where it will
> inevitably go out, pop it in the device who's very gentle suction will
> ensure it stays lit. The smoke is vented to the room to create that
> "fug", which is necessary for backroom deals across the globe....
>
> --
> Cheers, Ade. =A0http://meddlingmonk.blogspot.com
>
> "Your face reminds me of a roadkill's arsehole. Certainly not on my list
> of things to kiss." -http://sleeptalkinman.blogspot.com
I think its a device for restoring dry cigars. Put them in the holes,
and place the device in a humidified room to draw moist air through
them. If it were for lit cigars, I think the entire device would be
coated with tar and residues.
--riverman
>This one would be very difficult to guess the purpose of the device, the
>photo at the link below has a strong hint for it:
>
>http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v80/harnett65/Album11/pic1961e.jpg
>
HA! In college, I made something like that! Out of two glass jarr
with cork plugs, some plastic tubing, and an aquarium pump.
We didn't use it for cigars though.
-Zz
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>
> "William Wixon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> 1957. i'd say it's a fish "hook/spear". like, standing on a platform
>> over a salmon (for example, not sure exactly what kind of fish) stream,
>> attached to the end of a spear that has a socket on it's end, plunge it
>> onto a salmon, impales the salmon, becomes dislodged from the spear
>> socket, haul the salmon out of the water by the attached cord.
>
>
> Fish hook is correct although it's not for salmon but for a different
> particular fish.
>
>
> Rob
If I can guess twice, sturgeon or shad.
--
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> William Wixon wrote:
>> "Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>>
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>
>>><snip>
>>
>> are eels fish? do people catch eels with "hooks"?
> Eels are definitely fish, just very L-O-N-G fish. They have a fish-like
> skeleton, but no, or few, scales. I don't know if they catch them with
> hooks or not. I've heard they catch them by leaving bait in the water ...
> like a dead cow. Pull in the carcass, and it's full of eels.
We catch them with hooks here (new Jersey), baited with almost any piece of
fish or even meat. And be prepared to cut off your leader and throw it away
when you land one. They twist it into knots.
They're easy to skin and gut, and then you can cut them into 6" lengths, put
them on a hotdog stick, and cook them over a grill or campfire. That cooks
out the oil, which is extensive. They're good eating.
--
Ed Huntress
>
> And don't confuse a Lamprey with an eel ... even though they are
> sometimes, and incorrectly, called Lamprey Eels. A Lamprey is a different
> critter, with only a primitive cartilaginous skeleton ... almost more like
> a big worm. These booldsuckers can live in just about any water, fresh or
> salt, and attack most fish or anything else in the water including humans.
> Nasty things. They've become a real plague in the Great Lakes.
>
> Dan Mitchell
> ============
On 17 June, 22:23, "William Wixon" <[email protected]> wrote:
> do people catch eels with "hooks"?
Eels are mostly caught in basket traps. If you're after individuals,
the weapon of choice is an eel spear, a multi-pronged trident.
Eel spears in the UK have many variations, regional, river type and
individual maker. If you find an old one, they're highly collectible
($100s!)
On Jun 17, 5:48=A0am, "Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote:
> Another set has been posted on the web site:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
> Rob
1957 - leather punch for making belts.
1958 - Cattle feed door. Wind the handle on the top, door on bottom
opens and feed pours out. Wind handle again to close.
1962 - Wine keg turner.
On Jun 18, 1:52=A0pm, "Stormin Mormon"
<cayoung61**[email protected]> wrote:
> Whichever version of critter, it's certain to be unhappy when it gets
> caught.
>
> That could urt like eel. (best English accent.)
>
> --
> Christopher A. Young
> Learn more about Jesus
> =A0www.lds.org
> .
>
> "Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
>
>
> > are eels fish? =A0do people catch eels with "hooks"?
>
> I'm not sure about either of these questions but eels is not the
> answer that
> I was looking for.
>
> Rob
Yes, eel are fish, and people tend to catch them with traps, however
they can be hooked. They are brutally hard to kill. I hooked one when
I was a kid....the rod just bent over; no tug or anything, while this
fiercesome thing squiggled at the end like a sidewinder on sand. When
I retrieved it, I cut off the head, slit its belly and gutted it,
hacked it into 2-inch sections, tossed them in a baggie and put them
in the freezer. Took it out about 4 months later, tossed the frozen
pieces in a frying pan and turned on the heat to cook it up. Once they
started to thaw, each section started twitching in the pan. Amazing.
--riverman
1957. i'd say it's a fish "hook/spear". like, standing on a platform
over a salmon (for example, not sure exactly what kind of fish)
stream, attached to the end of a spear that has a socket on it's end,
plunge it onto a salmon, impales the salmon, becomes dislodged from
the spear socket, haul the salmon out of the water by the attached
cord.
"Andy Dingley" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On 17 June, 10:48, "Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Another set has been posted on the web site:
>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
> #1957
> Fishing? trap? Don't think it's a spear, as there's no handle, so I
> guess it's baited and left tied by the rope on the left. I'd like to
> think it's an octopus trap, with sucker carvings on one piece to
> attract prey by sympathetic magic 8-)
>
> #1958
> Lock gate. Canal is gone, but you can see one bank behind.
>
> #1959
> Ring cutter to release fingers
>
> #1960
> Single or double-ended wad punch. Does it make circles or holes?
> I'm
> going to guess it's a high-speed manual tool for cutting musket
> patches two at a time, switching to a single cut for using up the
> offcuts.
>
> #1961
> Electric blower, for carefully distributing and controlling airflow,
> but what on earth for?
>
> #1962
> Bundle tier. Place the bundle of coppiced sticks (?) in the saddle,
> tighten them up with a strap and the ratchet winch on the left, then
> tie them up with string.
On 17 June, 21:39, Dave__67 <[email protected]> wrote:
> 1957 - leather punch for making belts.
>
> I think the chamfer on the outside edge indicates the circle removed
> is to be used, versus the hole in the material.
It's a cylindrical tube, which may indicate a hole cutter. Disk
cutters are often conical, for strength and easy piece clearance. Both
sorts often have the sharpening chamfer on the outside, just because
it's easier to sharpen that way.
On Jun 17, 5:48=A0am, "Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote:
> Another set has been posted on the web site:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
> Rob
1960- Swung like a hammer, makes wooden (or cork or leather?) plugs,
have to assume the double end is for storing the 2 sizes not being
used.
1962- rolls barrells? But can't think why they wouldn't by hand...
Dave
On Fri, 18 Jun 2010 05:33:13 -0700 (PDT), humunculus wrote:
> Took it out about 4 months later, tossed the frozen
> pieces in a frying pan and turned on the heat to cook it up. Once they
> started to thaw, each section started twitching in the pan. Amazing.
In the immortal words of Ogden Nash:
I don't mind eels,
Except as meals.
And the way they feels.
--
Ted S.
fedya at hughes dot net
Now blogging at http://justacineast.blogspot.com
On 21 June, 00:44, J Burns <[email protected]> wrote:
> Then tap the mystery tool over them to shave them to round tenons whose
> diameter and spacing will match your drilling template (not pictured).
"Mystery tool" is a dowel plate, not a tube. Just try making some
dowels - a tight-fitting tube is the last thing you want around.
"Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "William Wixon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> 1957. i'd say it's a fish "hook/spear". like, standing on a
>> platform over a salmon (for example, not sure exactly what kind of
>> fish) stream, attached to the end of a spear that has a socket on
>> it's end, plunge it onto a salmon, impales the salmon, becomes
>> dislodged from the spear socket, haul the salmon out of the water
>> by the attached cord.
>
>
> Fish hook is correct although it's not for salmon but for a
> different particular fish.
>
>
> Rob
are eels fish? do people catch eels with "hooks"?
[email protected] did gone and wrote:
>
> Another set has been posted on the web site:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
1958 is a canal lock gate, although the rest of the canal appears to
have gone missing.
The rest are a complete mystery to me...
--
Cheers, Ade. http://meddlingmonk.blogspot.com
"Your face reminds me of a roadkill's arsehole. Certainly not on my list
of things to kiss." - http://sleeptalkinman.blogspot.com
[email protected] did gone and wrote:
>
> > #1961
> > Electric blower, for carefully distributing and controlling airflow,
> > but what on earth for?
>
>
> This one would be very difficult to guess the purpose of the device, the
> photo at the link below has a strong hint for it:
>
> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v80/harnett65/Album11/pic1961e.jpg
It could be what Don said - a testing machine - or maybe it's a fancy
"keep your cigar lit" device; instead of putting it in an ashtray while
you take your go at the snooker table (for example), where it will
inevitably go out, pop it in the device who's very gentle suction will
ensure it stays lit. The smoke is vented to the room to create that
"fug", which is necessary for backroom deals across the globe....
--
Cheers, Ade. http://meddlingmonk.blogspot.com
"Your face reminds me of a roadkill's arsehole. Certainly not on my list
of things to kiss." - http://sleeptalkinman.blogspot.com
humunculus wrote:
<snip>
> Yes, eel are fish, and people tend to catch them with traps, however
> they can be hooked. They are brutally hard to kill. I hooked one when
> I was a kid....the rod just bent over; no tug or anything, while this
> fiercesome thing squiggled at the end like a sidewinder on sand. When
> I retrieved it, I cut off the head, slit its belly and gutted it,
> hacked it into 2-inch sections, tossed them in a baggie and put them
> in the freezer. Took it out about 4 months later, tossed the frozen
> pieces in a frying pan and turned on the heat to cook it up. Once they
> started to thaw, each section started twitching in the pan. Amazing.
It's because they eel very quickly.
--
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On 18 June, 11:11, humunculus <[email protected]> wrote:
> If it were for lit cigars, I think the entire device would be
> coated with tar and residues.
Fan (and bungs) look like they're set up to suck, not blow, so maybe
it is filthy with tar but we just can't see it?
On Jun 17, 10:24=A0am, Dave <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Jun 17, 5:48=A0am, "Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Another set has been posted on the web site:
>
> >http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
> > Rob
>
> 1957 - leather punch for making belts.
I think the chamfer on the outside edge indicates the circle removed
is to be used, versus the hole in the material.
Dave
On 21 June, 00:44, J Burns <[email protected]> wrote:
> The presence of the wood plug suggests that it was used to cut some sort
> of pins. =A0
I don't think so - I think that's a bung that was added so that the
user could hammer on the back of it, without hitting the cutting edge.
On 21 June, 22:07, J Burns <[email protected]> wrote:
> A dowel tube scrapes. =A0Wouldn't the dowel first have to be cut very
> close to the intended size? =A0
Fairly close. In practice it's usually cut with a draknife so that
it's close to dimension, but polygonal rather than round.
You also use a drawplate (in this size at least) with a number of
holes of varying size, with sizes that are closely spaced, and with
paired holes that are circular and also "cogwheel shaped": circular,
but with half of the circumference intermittently filed away. With a
good dowel plate (i.e. one suited to the job) you can put a dowel
clean through a hole with one blow of a mallet (you're removing very
little wood, and what you are removing is an easy lengthways long-
fibre scrape). Then you move it to the next hole and repeat. After
you've gone down a few holes you're there.
The Lie-Nielsen dowelplate was designed by someone who'd heard of the
things, but had never used one. It's pretty useless.
On 19 June, 20:22, "Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote:
> Since one of the holes has a piece of wood in it, I'm leaning towards the
> barn pin maker idea
You'd never get the pins out. Anything for making pins needs a clear
hole all the way through, and ideally tapered.
Rob H. wrote:
> Another set has been posted on the web site:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
>
> Rob
1957 -
1958 - One half of an OLD lock gate. Similar to the ones used on the
Erie Canal, Clintons Ditch and a few others.
1959 - Ring cutter. Used to remove bands from a persons finger. I carry
a newer one in my med bag.
1960 - It's an impact hole punch.
1961 -
1962 - Keg clamp I think.
--
Steve W.
>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
> #1960
> Single or double-ended wad punch. Does it make circles or holes? I'm
> going to guess it's a high-speed manual tool for cutting musket
> patches two at a time, switching to a single cut for using up the
> offcuts.
I just updated the information on the web site for this tool to say that the
holes on the ends are all about 1/2" diameter, not sure what size musket
patches are but I was thinking that they were larger than that.
Rob
"William Wixon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> 1957. i'd say it's a fish "hook/spear". like, standing on a platform
> over a salmon (for example, not sure exactly what kind of fish) stream,
> attached to the end of a spear that has a socket on it's end, plunge it
> onto a salmon, impales the salmon, becomes dislodged from the spear
> socket, haul the salmon out of the water by the attached cord.
Fish hook is correct although it's not for salmon but for a different
particular fish.
Rob
"Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Another set has been posted on the web site:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
>
> Rob
Hi Rob,
The photo of 1961 that includes the cigar has the usual Photobucket issue.
If you want me to continue letting you know about these tell me, otherwise
I'll ignore them from now on.
LD
> The photo of 1961 that includes the cigar has the usual Photobucket issue.
> If you want me to continue letting you know about these tell me, otherwise
> I'll ignore them from now on.
>
> LD
If any of my photos ever get flagged as having a problem, please let me
know, otherwise please ignore Norton's false warnings.
Thanks,
Rob
1957, not sure. But I'd hate to have one of those angry with me!
1958, some kind of a door. Beyond that?
1959, I know what this is. It's sold by EMT and medical supply places.
I'll leave to others to fill in the detail, unless someone asks. The
answer should ring true.
1960. I've never seen such a device. But, the ends look like the tips
on my Dad's leather punch. Come to think of it, I'll ask Dad if I may
photograph his leather punch, and email the photos to you. Interesting
device.
1961 totally no clue.
1962, never seen one of these. Could you put a half barrel on top, and
crank it to wash clothes?
--
Christopher A. Young
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"Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
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Another set has been posted on the web site:
http://55tools.blogspot.com/
Rob
Whichever version of critter, it's certain to be unhappy when it gets
caught.
That could urt like eel. (best English accent.)
--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.
"Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
> are eels fish? do people catch eels with "hooks"?
I'm not sure about either of these questions but eels is not the
answer that
I was looking for.
Rob
Yes, that was a halibut good guess.
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Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
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.
"Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> If not salmon, I'll guess halibut.
Good guess! It's a halibut hook.
Rob
William Wixon wrote:
> "Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>"William Wixon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:6toSn.29057$%[email protected]...
>><snip>
>
> are eels fish? do people catch eels with "hooks"?
>
>
Eels are definitely fish, just very L-O-N-G fish. They have a fish-like
skeleton, but no, or few, scales. I don't know if they catch them with
hooks or not. I've heard they catch them by leaving bait in the water
... like a dead cow. Pull in the carcass, and it's full of eels.
And don't confuse a Lamprey with an eel ... even though they are
sometimes, and incorrectly, called Lamprey Eels. A Lamprey is a
different critter, with only a primitive cartilaginous skeleton ...
almost more like a big worm. These booldsuckers can live in just about
any water, fresh or salt, and attack most fish or anything else in the
water including humans. Nasty things. They've become a real plague in
the Great Lakes.
Dan Mitchell
============
> Correct, it was part of the Erie Canal, as someone else mentioned.
Correction, the lock was from the Miami-Erie Canal, not the Erie Canal.
Still haven't been able to nail down number 1960 but the rest have all been
answered correctly this week:
http://55tools.blogspot.com/2010/06/set-341.html#answers
Rob
"Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
>> The photo of 1961 that includes the cigar has the usual Photobucket
>> issue.
>> If you want me to continue letting you know about these tell me,
>> otherwise I'll ignore them from now on.
>>
>> LD
>
>
> If any of my photos ever get flagged as having a problem, please let me
> know, otherwise please ignore Norton's false warnings.
>
> Thanks,
> Rob
Got you covered.
>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/2010/06/set-341.html#answers
>
> Hmm ... given the suggestion that it was for cutting out patches
> for muzzle loaders -- how about the possibility that it is instead for
> making wads for shotgun cartridges? You said '1/2" hole' -- but how
> precise is that?
Not sure, the owner of it just said that the holes were all about 1/2".
>And what is the size of the shotgun shell's ID? A
> .410 is a bit small for a full 1/2", but I don't know the sizes of other
> shotgun shells, so it might be close to one of them. And maybe one end
> (the double) for cutting lots of the discs which go on the sides of the
> padded felt cushion, and the single one for cutting out the padded felt
> cushion itself?
I don't know much about shotgun cartridges but I added this idea to the list
of possible answers.
> And as for 1962 -- I don't see the belts and ratchet being
> needed to hold the barrel in there, given that there is no provision for
> bolting the legs down to the deck of a ship, so I consider it to be
> quite likely that it is for pulling the slats together around end plates
> so the rungs could be driven on. (That is -- used in *making* barrels
> instead of just storing loaded ones.) A loaded barrel would be quite
> heavy, and highly unlikely to depart the cradle on its own. :-) And the
> ratchet and long crank arm suggest putting a lot of force on the straps.
You might be right about it being used to hold barrels when they are being
made although I didn't see anything like it when I looked on sites that
described barrel making. I added this suggestion to my answer and will send
an email or two to see if I can find more information on it.
Rob
Rob H. wrote:
>
>> Correct, it was part of the Erie Canal, as someone else mentioned.
>
>
> Correction, the lock was from the Miami-Erie Canal, not the Erie Canal.
>
> Still haven't been able to nail down number 1960 but the rest have all
> been answered correctly this week:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/2010/06/set-341.html#answers
>
>
> Rob
1960 looks useful for making tenons. If you want tenons 1/2" in
diameter on a board 1/2" thick, you can't drill and use dowels. I
imagine you'd use a saw to leave square pegs a little oversized, then
use a punch like this to cut them round.
The specialty of this tool would be to cut a pair of parallel, properly
spaced and sized tenons on the end of a board.
I think all three punches are attached to keep them from being lost. To
use the tool, you would unscrew the punch(es) from the unused end so it
could be driven with a mallet. The long handle would help the carpenter
keep the punches aligned with the board. The "windows" in the punches
would help the carpenter pry them loose from the cut tenons.
Rob H. wrote:
>> And as for 1962 -- I don't see the belts and ratchet being
>> needed to hold the barrel in there, given that there is no provision for
>> bolting the legs down to the deck of a ship, so I consider it to be
>> quite likely that it is for pulling the slats together around end plates
>> so the rungs could be driven on. (That is -- used in *making* barrels
>> instead of just storing loaded ones.) A loaded barrel would be quite
>> heavy, and highly unlikely to depart the cradle on its own. :-) And the
>> ratchet and long crank arm suggest putting a lot of force on the straps.
>
> You might be right about it being used to hold barrels when they are
> being made although I didn't see anything like it when I looked on sites
> that described barrel making. I added this suggestion to my answer and
> will send an email or two to see if I can find more information on it.
>
>
I believe staves were drawn together with a winch, but wouldn't the
winch be used near the end of the barrel? If this winch were used for
powerful compression, wouldn't it wind rope or chain rather than a
leather strap?
Another purpose for binding could be to keep an object from turning.
Would leather provide more friction than rope?
The crosspiece is worn at the center, as if heavy objects had been
picked up and put into the cradle.
Near each end of the cradle, a metal bolt goes across, but the bolts
aren't equidistant from the ends. hmmm...
I wonder if it's a sort of sawhorse for round items like utility poles
or ships' masts. The cradle would keep it from rolling away and
falling. The strap would keep it from wiggling.
> I believe staves were drawn together with a winch, but wouldn't the winch
> be used near the end of the barrel? If this winch were used for powerful
> compression, wouldn't it wind rope or chain rather than a leather strap?
>
> Another purpose for binding could be to keep an object from turning. Would
> leather provide more friction than rope?
>
> The crosspiece is worn at the center, as if heavy objects had been picked
> up and put into the cradle.
>
> Near each end of the cradle, a metal bolt goes across, but the bolts
> aren't equidistant from the ends. hmmm...
>
> I wonder if it's a sort of sawhorse for round items like utility poles or
> ships' masts. The cradle would keep it from rolling away and falling.
> The strap would keep it from wiggling.
I shot this photo at a museum, the item wasn't marked and I assumed it was a
barrel stand since it resembled a different one that I had seen. This
morning I sent the museum an email asking about this piece, hopefully we'll
find out soon if your idea or any of the others are correct.
Rob
>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/2010/06/set-341.html#answers
>
> 1960 looks useful for making tenons. If you want tenons 1/2" in diameter
> on a board 1/2" thick, you can't drill and use dowels. I imagine you'd
> use a saw to leave square pegs a little oversized, then use a punch like
> this to cut them round.
>
> The specialty of this tool would be to cut a pair of parallel, properly
> spaced and sized tenons on the end of a board.
>
> I think all three punches are attached to keep them from being lost. To
> use the tool, you would unscrew the punch(es) from the unused end so it
> could be driven with a mallet. The long handle would help the carpenter
> keep the punches aligned with the board. The "windows" in the punches
> would help the carpenter pry them loose from the cut tenons.
Since one of the holes has a piece of wood in it, I'm leaning towards the
barn pin maker idea which would have also used a driven mallet as mentioned
above but I guess it could just as easily be a tenon maker as you suggest.
The owner bought it on ebay where it was marked as a hammer, I'm thinking
it's going to be difficult to get a positive ID on this tool.
Rob
On Sat, 19 Jun 2010 15:22:11 -0400
"Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote:
<snip>
>Since one of the holes has a piece of wood in it, I'm leaning towards the
>barn pin maker idea which would have also used a driven mallet as mentioned
>above but I guess it could just as easily be a tenon maker as you suggest.
>The owner bought it on ebay where it was marked as a hammer, I'm thinking
>it's going to be difficult to get a positive ID on this tool.
My guess would be it was used to mark something. Either with one hole
or two. It looks like your were meant to swing it, which wouldn't be
very accurate for wad cutting or anything similar. I can't imagine
using something like this to willy-nilly try and get patches or plugs
from my material. You would want to carefully place each cut/patch to
maximize your material. There isn't anyway to strike this item to
accomplish that (shrug).
Timber marking/branding hammers are similar, but I haven't seen one
that took out plugs...
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Rob H. wrote:
>> I believe staves were drawn together with a winch, but wouldn't the
>> winch be used near the end of the barrel? If this winch were used for
>> powerful compression, wouldn't it wind rope or chain rather than a
>> leather strap?
>>
>> Another purpose for binding could be to keep an object from turning.
>> Would leather provide more friction than rope?
>>
>> The crosspiece is worn at the center, as if heavy objects had been
>> picked up and put into the cradle.
>>
>> Near each end of the cradle, a metal bolt goes across, but the bolts
>> aren't equidistant from the ends. hmmm...
>>
>> I wonder if it's a sort of sawhorse for round items like utility poles
>> or ships' masts. The cradle would keep it from rolling away and
>> falling. The strap would keep it from wiggling.
>
>
> I shot this photo at a museum, the item wasn't marked and I assumed it
> was a barrel stand since it resembled a different one that I had seen.
> This morning I sent the museum an email asking about this piece,
> hopefully we'll find out soon if your idea or any of the others are
> correct.
>
> Rob
>
I've thought of a way it might have been used for barrel making.
The Blue Grass Cooperage Company seems to use a winch attached to each
barrel, gradually tightened as the staves are exposed to heat or steam.
http://www.nashvillechefs.org/archive2006/fall%202006/newsletter2.html
At the Mendocino Cooperage, the barrel is brought to the winch, which
uses more than one wrap of cable to draw the staves together so that a
hoop can be put on.
http://knightsia.org/newsletters/Issue_11.htm
In the days of manila ropes, multiple wraps would have helped a winch
bind staves tighter, but friction between the rope and the wood could
have caused a lot of resistance. The trick may have been to tighten, go
around the barrel tapping staves to let the rope slip, and tighten some
more. That process may have worked better with the barrel in a cradle.
A loose hoop and wedges may have been another way to gradually bend
staves together, a little each day. If I were going around a barrel
tapping wedges, I think I'd want to strap the barrel into a cradle.
Rob H. wrote:
>
>>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/2010/06/set-341.html#answers
>
>>
>> 1960 looks useful for making tenons. If you want tenons 1/2" in
>> diameter on a board 1/2" thick, you can't drill and use dowels. I
>> imagine you'd use a saw to leave square pegs a little oversized, then
>> use a punch like this to cut them round.
>>
>> The specialty of this tool would be to cut a pair of parallel,
>> properly spaced and sized tenons on the end of a board.
>>
>> I think all three punches are attached to keep them from being lost.
>> To use the tool, you would unscrew the punch(es) from the unused end
>> so it could be driven with a mallet. The long handle would help the
>> carpenter keep the punches aligned with the board. The "windows" in
>> the punches would help the carpenter pry them loose from the cut tenons.
>
>
> Since one of the holes has a piece of wood in it, I'm leaning towards
> the barn pin maker idea which would have also used a driven mallet as
> mentioned above but I guess it could just as easily be a tenon maker as
> you suggest. The owner bought it on ebay where it was marked as a
> hammer, I'm thinking it's going to be difficult to get a positive ID on
> this tool.
>
> Rob
The barn pegs I remember were much longer and fatter than this tool
would make. Here are a couple of pictures that can be enlarged and have
rulers.
http://www.holderbros.com/blog/author/Whit-Holder
This page says pegs for post-and-beam construction were made with a draw
shave.
http://www.fonerbooks.com/shaver.htm
I don't know why a carpenter would want to cut two pins together unless
they had to be precisely spaced and aligned because they were mortices
on the end of a board.
On 6/20/2010 5:24 AM, Andy Dingley wrote:
> On 19 June, 20:22, "Rob H."<[email protected]> wrote:ls)
>
>> Since one of the holes has a piece of wood in it, I'm leaning towards the
>> barn pin maker idea
>
> You'd never get the pins out. Anything for making pins needs a clear
> hole all the way through, and ideally tapered.
>
Furthermore, pegs (or trunnels) for building frames have been pretty
much standardized at ~1" in diameter and around 6" longer than the
timber they go through for the past few hundred years.
Perhaps it could be used to cut bungs for boat planking, but the tool
does not look ideal for that. It's a mystery to me.
Kevin Gallimore
axolotl wrote:
> On 6/20/2010 5:24 AM, Andy Dingley wrote:
>> On 19 June, 20:22, "Rob H."<[email protected]> wrote:ls)
>>
>>> Since one of the holes has a piece of wood in it, I'm leaning towards
>>> the
>>> barn pin maker idea
>>
>> You'd never get the pins out. Anything for making pins needs a clear
>> hole all the way through, and ideally tapered.
>>
>
> Furthermore, pegs (or trunnels) for building frames have been pretty
> much standardized at ~1" in diameter and around 6" longer than the
> timber they go through for the past few hundred years.
> Perhaps it could be used to cut bungs for boat planking, but the tool
> does not look ideal for that. It's a mystery to me.
>
> Kevin Gallimore
The presence of the wood plug suggests that it was used to cut some sort
of pins. If they were round 1/2" tenons, they would be pretty short,
and the tool would have to be pulled off as it went on.
Suppose it's 1890 and you want to fit the ends of a board 1/2" thick to
the legs of a work table, using only tools in your box. Dowels would
have to be less than 1/2" in diameter, and drilling would weaken the
1/2" board.
Solution: use a saw and chisel to make a pair of square tenons on each
end of the board. Then cut away the corners to make them octagonal.
Then tap the mystery tool over them to shave them to round tenons whose
diameter and spacing will match your drilling template (not pictured).
If the diameter at the cutting edge is slightly smaller than the
diameter of the tube, it should be pretty easy to wiggle the tool off.
Now slide your drilling template over the tenons, position the board
against the leg, clamp the template to the leg, remove the board, and drill.
The long handle would be not to swing the tool but to make it easy to
hold it square as it was tapped on with a mallet. It would also make it
easy to break a tenon by accident, which apparently happened.
Andy Dingley wrote:
> On 21 June, 00:44, J Burns <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> The presence of the wood plug suggests that it was used to cut some sort
>> of pins.
>
> I don't think so - I think that's a bung that was added so that the
> user could hammer on the back of it, without hitting the cutting edge.
The plug pictured would not protect the cutting edge.
Instead of hitting the cutter, why not remove it with a half-turn of the
set screw?
I think the tool was intended to cut a pair of tenons with one side or a
single tenon with the other. No more than two cutters would be needed.
The third is a spare so you don't have to sharpen in the middle of a
job. All three are attached in the photos because that's the best way
to avoid misplacing one as the tool hangs on the wall.
Andy Dingley wrote:
> On 21 June, 00:44, J Burns <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Then tap the mystery tool over them to shave them to round tenons whose
>> diameter and spacing will match your drilling template (not pictured).
>
> "Mystery tool" is a dowel plate, not a tube. Just try making some
> dowels - a tight-fitting tube is the last thing you want around.
A dowel tube scrapes. Wouldn't the dowel first have to be cut very
close to the intended size? A work bench supports a dowel plate. You
couldn't cut a pair of tenons on the end of a board that way.
http://www.lie-nielsen.com/pdf/charlesworth_dowelplate.pdf
Here's a review of a dowel plate in which the author mentions a homemade
device similar to the mystery tool. The tube diameter is no bigger than
the beveled cutting edge. Apparently the advantage is that it saves
time by removing a lot more wood than a dowel plate.
Unlike the homemade device, the mystery tool wouldn't be clamped to a
work bench and could cut a pair of perfectly spaced tenons.
> The barn pegs I remember were much longer and fatter than this tool
> would make. Here are a couple of pictures that can be enlarged and have
> rulers.
>
> http://www.holderbros.com/blog/author/Whit-Holder
>
> This page says pegs for post-and-beam construction were made with a draw
> shave.
>
> http://www.fonerbooks.com/shaver.htm
>
> I don't know why a carpenter would want to cut two pins together unless
> they had to be precisely spaced and aligned because they were mortices on
> the end of a board.
Thanks, those are good links, I'm no longer leaning towards the barn pegs
idea, unless they're for really small barns. ;-)
Several of the theories for this tool sound plausible and since none of them
have been verified yet it looks like this item remains a mystery for now.
With some of the mystery tools I get the feeling that someone will
eventually provide an answer with proof, wish I could say the same for this
one.
Rob
On Fri, 18 Jun 2010 13:53:32 -0400, Ted Schuerzinger
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Fri, 18 Jun 2010 05:33:13 -0700 (PDT), humunculus wrote:
>
>> Took it out about 4 months later, tossed the frozen
>> pieces in a frying pan and turned on the heat to cook it up. Once they
>> started to thaw, each section started twitching in the pan. Amazing.
>
>In the immortal words of Ogden Nash:
>
>I don't mind eels,
>Except as meals.
>And the way they feels.
eel poetry?
When an eel bites your knee,
as you swim in the sea..
that's a Moray
Japanese Unagi don (BBQ eel on rice) is pretty good.
http://www.plateoftheday.com/food_blog/japanese_food/unagiOverRice.gif
In article <[email protected]>, "Rob H." <[email protected]>
wrote:
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
1959 Ring Cutter for removing rings from injured fingers.
On 2010-06-17, Rob H. <[email protected]> wrote:
> Another set has been posted on the web site:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
Posting from Rec.crafts.metalworking as always.
1957) Nasty looking thing!
At a guess -- it might be for hanging meat to be butchered, or
to help in skinning pelts from a critter's body.
1958) No guess here. Too lightweight to be a lock gate in a canal.
1959) You've worn your wedding ring for decades, and now find you
can't take it off -- or it has gotten squished onto your finger
and you *certainly* can't get it off.
The hook goes under the ring (between it and your finger
wherever there is enough room to slip it there -- perhaps with
lube -- then you squeeze the handles and turn the crank to cut
through the ring so it can be spread open and removed from the
finger.
Then -- depending on how attached you feel -- you might have
some extra gold put in the gap to make it larger and continue to
wear it.
1960) A hammer combined with a punch on one end, and a double punch
on the other end, to make holes in something -- cardboard,
leather, gasket material -- whatever needs the holes of that
size and at that spacing for the double end.
At first, I expected to see a projection on the single end to be
hit with a hammer after the double punch was properly
positioned, but not a second punch. Both sets of punches need
evening and re-sharpening.
I don't know why the plug of wood in the single end -- unless
the purpose is to make small disks from the material instead of
holes, so a screwdriver could be put in behind the plug and used
to lever the plug to press out the discs. Otherwise, I would
simply let them build up until they spilled out the gap, as
apparently was done with the other (double) end.
1961) At a guess -- this is a setup to measure airflow through a pipe
connected to the large vertical pipe (likely an exhaust pipe for
a wood stove or the like).
You connect the pipe, put the weighted plugs in each cone, and
turn on the electric motor. The airflow is indicated by how
many of the plugs pop out -- not sure whether the small end or
the large end would pop out at the lower pressure.
Probably intended to measure the increase in flow restriction as
you add more elbows and lengths of pipe.
1962) For drawing together the staves of a barrel while the hoops are
fitted.
Now to see what others have suggested.
Enjoy,
DoN.
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On 2010-06-18, Rob H. <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> #1961
>> Electric blower, for carefully distributing and controlling airflow,
>> but what on earth for?
>
>
> This one would be very difficult to guess the purpose of the device, the
> photo at the link below has a strong hint for it:
>
> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v80/harnett65/Album11/pic1961e.jpg
O.K. A cigar smoker. I guess to test the burn rate with a
known airflow through the cigar.
Unless the exhaust is piped through a cage of lung cancer test
animals.
Enjoy,
DoN.
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On 2010-06-18, Rob H. <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Correct, it was part of the Erie Canal, as someone else mentioned.
>
>
> Correction, the lock was from the Miami-Erie Canal, not the Erie Canal.
>
> Still haven't been able to nail down number 1960 but the rest have all been
> answered correctly this week:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/2010/06/set-341.html#answers
Hmm ... given the suggestion that it was for cutting out patches
for muzzle loaders -- how about the possibility that it is instead for
making wads for shotgun cartridges? You said '1/2" hole' -- but how
precise is that? And what is the size of the shotgun shell's ID? A
.410 is a bit small for a full 1/2", but I don't know the sizes of other
shotgun shells, so it might be close to one of them. And maybe one end
(the double) for cutting lots of the discs which go on the sides of the
padded felt cushion, and the single one for cutting out the padded felt
cushion itself?
And as for 1962 -- I don't see the belts and ratchet being
needed to hold the barrel in there, given that there is no provision for
bolting the legs down to the deck of a ship, so I consider it to be
quite likely that it is for pulling the slats together around end plates
so the rungs could be driven on. (That is -- used in *making* barrels
instead of just storing loaded ones.) A loaded barrel would be quite
heavy, and highly unlikely to depart the cradle on its own. :-) And the
ratchet and long crank arm suggest putting a lot of force on the straps.
If there were rollers mounted to the cradle, and there were a
way for the leather straps to pass around the barrel, around the crank,
and around rollers on the bar at the other end, it could be used to
rotate the barrel to perhaps polish things contained in it in some
medium -- mail coats in sand to polish the rust off the steel for
example. But in that case there would not be a need for the ratchet
assembly.
Enjoy,
DoN.
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"Leon Fisk" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 19 Jun 2010 15:22:11 -0400
> "Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> <snip>
>>Since one of the holes has a piece of wood in it, I'm leaning
>>towards the
>>barn pin maker idea which would have also used a driven mallet as
>>mentioned
>>above but I guess it could just as easily be a tenon maker as you
>>suggest.
>>The owner bought it on ebay where it was marked as a hammer, I'm
>>thinking
>>it's going to be difficult to get a positive ID on this tool.
>
> My guess would be it was used to mark something. Either with one
> hole
> or two. It looks like your were meant to swing it, which wouldn't be
> very accurate for wad cutting or anything similar. I can't imagine
> using something like this to willy-nilly try and get patches or
> plugs
> from my material. You would want to carefully place each cut/patch
> to
> maximize your material. There isn't anyway to strike this item to
> accomplish that (shrug).
>
> Timber marking/branding hammers are similar, but I haven't seen one
> that took out plugs...
>
> --
> Leon Fisk
> Grand Rapids MI/Zone 5b
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>
that's what i thought too. marking a log. but if the cutters are
different sizes... that would seem it's not for marking (because of
the not completely obviously discernable difference between a 1/2,
9/16ths, 5/8ths inch hole). i wondered if it was for sampling, like,
testing some material (logs) to be sure the underlying material is
sound. the plugs are ejected by the incoming new material pushing it
out, but the plugs are *waste*. i was wondering if it was used like a
pickaroon for grasping, moving, sorting material but and/also
simultaneously marking that material(removing a plug), as having
passed that stage of inspection/production. can't imagine WHAT
material that could possibly be, it would be a "destructive" marking
process. i certainly wouldn't want 1/2 inch holes in MY lumber.