In lieu of the recent issues concerning non-Sawstop table saws, some
institutions are replacing their table saws, the local tech school
being one of them. Here is another school that is replacing their non-
Sawstop table saw - See the Powermatic listing:
http://www.govdeals.com/index.cfm?fa=Main.CatSearch . For those
interested, click onto the item for details.
This is not the only saw that has been listed, on this site, this
way.... there has been several. For anyone looking for a good table
saw, or other tool, this site lists many state govt's assets being
sold/auctioned, this way.
It seems not too many folks are aware that these assets are available,
since so few bidders participate. And I suspect not too many folks,
looking for tools, are aware of this particular govt website. For
those of you looking for a tool, etc., here is one way to check out
what your state has to offer, i.e., this govdeals website.
Sonny
"Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> J. Clarke wrote:
>
>>
>> Except that it wasn't turning out rocket scientists, it was turning
>> out Hippies. You have to go back to WWII or before to find a system
>> that was turning out rocket scientists.
>>
>
> Huh? The advances surrounding the space race were largely a product of
> young minds coming out of engineering schools in the 60's. That era sure
> did turn out rocket scientists.
That is what I was thinkining, not to take away proper credit to those with
great accomplishments prior to that.
Steve wrote:
>
> How do you measure return? Scores on standardized testing? That just
> might lead to "teaching to the test," particularly if bone-headed
> teacher compensation schemes are tided to those results.
>
Teaching to the test is often touted as as reason against standardized
testing. Maybe... maybe not so much. At least if they teach to the test,
the kids come out learning something - the stuff that is on the test. And
that's not a bad thing. If the subject is math, and the test is a math test
(what a thought...), then teaching to the test is bad in what respect?
> "No Child Left Behind*" was NOT an educational intitiative.
Nothing originated by politicians is an educational initiative.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
Lew Hodgett wrote:
> "Mike Marlow" wrote:
>>
>> Teaching to the test is often touted as as reason against
>> standardized testing. Maybe... maybe not so much. At least if they
>> teach to the test, the kids come out learning something - the stuff
>> that is on the test. And that's not a bad thing. If the subject is
>> math, and the test is a math test (what a thought...), then teaching
>> to the test is bad in what respect?
> --------------------------------------
> Teaching to "The test", trains the rote memory, but does not teach a
> person
> to develop problem solving skills, which IMHO is what education is all
> about..
>
That is one aspect of education. Rote memory is an equally valid aspect.
Some knoweldge is stored facts and some is deduced. Both are equally valid
and equally valuable.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On Oct 1, 10:09=A0pm, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
> > "RonB" wrote:
>
> >> Unfortunately, the Saw Stop technology is closing some school's
> >> woodworking class. =A0Our local shop was advised by council that they
> >> needed to upgrade. =A0Can't afford another dollar hit so they are
> >> shutting down instead.
> > -------------------------
> > People have been bitchin about the cost of public schools =A0for as lon=
g as
> > I can remember which is the late 1940s.
>
> > Time to wake up and smell the roses.
>
> > Education isn't cheap and as a country we are getting our academic cloc=
ks
> > cleaned by other countries who recognize reality.
>
> Agreed! =A0So the teachers need to step up.
In a global economy -- particularly where information and knowledge
will be how entire continents support their GDP -- it's hard to
imagine that our backslide in education AND health isn't going to be a
MAJOR factor in how quickly we're sliding, on so many metrics.
That 72A ... has a current bid ... of like two hundred bucks.
1,224 miles from me. Hmmmm.
On 10/4/2010 9:17 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
> Yep. I'm fine with the notion of educating everyone to the limit of his
> abilities, but not with the notion that everybody can or should be
> educated to the same level.
England had a Tripartite System where there was a fork in the education
road at the "Eleven Plus" exams. Basically, your performance at 11 or 12
years old dictated your suitability for secondary education.
As a result, living and workng in England in the early sixties, it was
hard not be impressed with the educational level of the general
population in ALL walks of life.
I thought it was a helluva sensible system ... probably went away with
political correctness.
--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 4/15/2010
KarlC@ (the obvious)
"RonB" wrote:
> Unfortunately, the Saw Stop technology is closing some school's
> woodworking class. Our local shop was advised by council that they
> needed to upgrade. Can't afford another dollar hit so they are
> shutting down instead.
-------------------------
People have been bitchin about the cost of public schools for as long
as I can remember which is the late 1940s.
Time to wake up and smell the roses.
Education isn't cheap and as a country we are getting our academic
clocks cleaned by other countries who recognize reality.
Lew
"Martin H. Eastburn" wrote:
> Yea - our poor school has as many coaches for football as Dallas
> Cowboys
> do. And they all make nice 6 figure numbers. So do all of the
> various vice
> principals - one for each class, men, women, Academic and vocational
> then
> the Principal himself. Oh - the band and library teachers are high
> rated as well.
>
> Built monster buildings and then pay for air conditioning.
>
> Wow - we had windows that open.
---------------------------
You are in Texas aren't you?
Lew
On 2010-10-01 21:32:51 -0400, "Leon" <[email protected]> said:
> Sounds like some English teachers need to take a cut in pay to finance
> the new saw.
Nope - dump some administrators. That's where the high dollars are
spent (uselessly, in the main).
Or do you just hate English teachers?
On 2010-10-01 23:41:43 -0400, "Ed Pawlowski" <[email protected]> said:
> If we got a better return on investment, they'd bitch less. We are #1
> in spending, but #10 in education. I'll continue to bitch, thank you.
> Money is not the problem, but we keep throwing more money at it.
How do you measure return? Scores on standardized testing? That just
might lead to "teaching to the test," particularly if bone-headed
teacher compensation schemes are tided to those results.
"No Child Left Behind*" was NOT an educational intitiative.
*or "No child left unrecruited," as a partion of that package required
school systems to forward student information to the military.
On 2010-10-01 23:49:39 -0400, "CW" <[email protected]> said:
> Contrast that with ours who's main interest is protecting their own.
And this differs from, oh, say, the UAW how? DAGS <GM Stamping plant
closure +Indianapolis> In this case, the national got it, local union
leaders f'ed over their co-workers.
On 2010-10-02 08:27:15 -0400, Larry Jaques
<[email protected]> said:
> C'mon, Lew. Schools are being top-loaded with million dollar
> principals and admins, and gov't regulations on safety ensure that the
> buildings cost quintuple the amount they should while being not being
> much safer, if any. It's all paperwork bullshit. (see lead, asbestos,
> and other abatements, etc.)
>
> Your liberal unions have made firing bad teachers a thing of the past,
> too, while forcing out shop classes and forcing in useless classes.
>
> Schools should be privatized.
I will concur with your first graf, disagree with both arguments in
your second, and remind you with the third that all generalizations are
false...
There are some charter schools of which I'm aware that make public
schools look like the hallmarks of academe. And there are plenty of
"adult educational programs" that are run largely to sell largely
useless high-dollar "courses of instruction" that leave students
unemployed, uneducated, and with huge student loans at the end of the
program. These differ only in the cost from the diploma mills that used
to advertise (in small ads in the back pages of magazines) a "Doctorate
degree" for a couple-hundred bucks...
"Mike Marlow" wrote:
>
> Teaching to the test is often touted as as reason against
> standardized testing. Maybe... maybe not so much. At least if they
> teach to the test, the kids come out learning something - the stuff
> that is on the test. And that's not a bad thing. If the subject is
> math, and the test is a math test (what a thought...), then teaching
> to the test is bad in what respect?
--------------------------------------
Teaching to "The test", trains the rote memory, but does not teach a
person
to develop problem solving skills, which IMHO is what education is all
about..
I had a thermodynamics prof who had an unusual teaching method, he
taught
you how to think and analyze the problem at hand.
When he gave a test, he allowed open book, in fact he left the room.
If you used the formulas in the book to solve a problem, you best have
the
correct math solution, no partial credit for incorrect math.
As a computer, you had just failed.
OTOH, if you analyzed the problem and developed a method to solve it,
you earned a lot of partial credit.
He often reminded us that computers and slide rules are for
computations,
brains are for thinking.
I used this approach to pass the State of Ohio PE tests.
Don't think I bothered to solve any problem to an exact numerical
solution,
but spent my time defining a math method to solve the problem, then
adding
the note: "Plug in known values and turn crank".
Must have worked, passed the tests.
Lew
On 2010-10-04 09:21:34 -0400, "Leon" <[email protected]> said:
> Dumbing down the system so that every one is accepted, dumbs down the
> country as a whole.
Ref.: "Idiocracy"
On 2010-10-04 19:19:55 -0400, Bill <[email protected]> said:
> Lots of them don't even respect and obey their parent (s).
> But that's only half the story. There are lots of good kids out there
> too. Everybody can probably name a few.
>
> Bill
The horrible examples -- like the girl who walked back into my wife's
classroom after having been called to the office and announced to the
room as she pointed at Jane, "That bitch wrote me up" -- are the easy
proof that bad get more notice than good. But she should have checked
behind her. The Vice Principal was there, and the girl's no longer
going to be attending school.
And no, that apple did not fall far from the tree.
"Mike Marlow" wrote:
> That is one aspect of education. Rote memory is an equally valid
> aspect. Some knoweldge is stored facts and some is deduced. Both
> are equally valid and equally valuable.
------------------------------
You can also train a dog, but that doesn't mean you have educated the
dog.
Lew
On 2010-10-05 06:54:16 -0400, "J. Clarke" <[email protected]> said:
>> The horrible examples -- like the girl who walked back into my wife's
>> classroom after having been called to the office and announced to the
>> room as she pointed at Jane, "That bitch wrote me up" -- are the easy
>> proof that bad get more notice than good. But she should have checked
>> behind her. The Vice Principal was there, and the girl's no longer
>> going to be attending school.
>
> What state is this? The only way to remove a kid from school around
> here is to get them sent to jail. Technically they can be expelled,
> however they are still owed an education, so the district has to
> provide tutors for them, which costs a lot more than letting them back
> into school.
>
>> And no, that apple did not fall far from the tree.
That would be metro Indianapolis (MSD Lawrence Twp).
Today's adventure was the e-mail the girl sent to Jane -- "Just
continue to be a bitch..." And that got her bounced from the next
school where she lasted one day. Sad thing is, the student had been
doing well in the subject.
Steve B wrote:
> "Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> J. Clarke wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Except that it wasn't turning out rocket scientists, it was turning
>>> out Hippies. You have to go back to WWII or before to find a system
>>> that was turning out rocket scientists.
>>>
>>
>> Huh? The advances surrounding the space race were largely a product
>> of young minds coming out of engineering schools in the 60's. That
>> era sure did turn out rocket scientists.
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> -Mike-
>> [email protected]
>
> And who the heck was responsible for launching and flying and
> monitoring the shuttles? Sure, there was a lot of young blood in
> there, but there were a few old farts kicking around, too.
>
> Steve
That does not dispute my statement above.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On Mon, 04 Oct 2010 19:19:55 -0400, Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
>Larry Jaques wrote:
>
>> Yeah, back when I was in school, I may not have liked all my teachers,
>> but I respected and obeyed all of them. Kids nowadays don't seem to
>> do that at all.
>
>Lots of them don't even respect and obey their parent (s).
>But that's only half the story. There are lots of good kids out there
>too. Everybody can probably name a few.
It just appears that things are different now than when we went to
school. Pocket knives were OK then.
Now I read about some schools where metal detectors are being
installed at all school entrances, armed guards man the hallways--and
sometimes in the classrooms.
--
Know how to listen, and you will
profit even from those who talk badly.
-- Plutarch
"RonB" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
On Oct 1, 10:33 am, Sonny <[email protected]> wrote:
> In lieu of the recent issues concerning non-Sawstop table saws, some
> institutions are replacing their table saws, the local tech school
> being one of them. Here is another school that is replacing their non-
> Sawstop table saw - See the Powermatic
> listing:http://www.govdeals.com/index.cfm?fa=Main.CatSearch . For those
> interested, click onto the item for details.
Unfortunately, the Saw Stop technology is closing some school's
woodworking class. Our local shop was advised by council that they
needed to upgrade. Can't afford another dollar hit so they are
shutting down instead.
RonB
Sounds like some English teachers need to take a cut in pay to finance the
new saw.
"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "RonB" wrote:
>
>> Unfortunately, the Saw Stop technology is closing some school's
>> woodworking class. Our local shop was advised by council that they
>> needed to upgrade. Can't afford another dollar hit so they are
>> shutting down instead.
> -------------------------
> People have been bitchin about the cost of public schools for as long as
> I can remember which is the late 1940s.
>
> Time to wake up and smell the roses.
>
> Education isn't cheap and as a country we are getting our academic clocks
> cleaned by other countries who recognize reality.
>
> Lew
>
Just watched a piece on the Japanese school system. Their academic
achievement is higher and their cost is lower compared to ours. One of the
differences is that their teachers union demands excellence from their staff
and will fire the incompetent. Contrast that with ours who's main interest
is protecting their own. Of course, Japanese students have a whole different
attitude than ours. And the teachers are allowed to discipline the students.
Sonny wrote:
>
> It seems not too many folks are aware that these assets are available,
> since so few bidders participate. And I suspect not too many folks,
> looking for tools, are aware of this particular govt website. For
> those of you looking for a tool, etc., here is one way to check out
> what your state has to offer, i.e., this govdeals website.
Ah, memories...
Fifty years ago I was fresh out of college, living in Hawaii and had just
started a photographic business. I used to check the local surplus military
auctions looking for photo gear I could use. One of the recurring items was
"used aircraft sparkplugs" (not many jets then). WTF?? Why would anyone
want - let alone buy - used aircraft sparkplugs? Curiosity got the better
of me so I got one and had it analyzed; turns out the tip was platinum and
tungsten, mostly platinum.
I don't recall exactly how large the auction lots were but they usually went
for $10,000-$12,000; about $1.00 per plug IIRC. Knowing the percentage of
platinum in a plug I could figure the value of the platinum that could be
derived from a normal lot...one would get a 3" cube of pure platinum
weighing about 500 ounces and worth about $40,000. In today's money, that
$40,000 is about $250,000 so it was a pretty good sum. (Platinum has
appreciated, BTW...500 ounces now is worth about $800,000).
There was no problem purifying the electrodes, there were all sorts of
smelters in California eager to do so at a relatively modest price. (They
were eager enough that they kept phoning me and long distance phone calls
weren't chep in those days). There was also no problem selling the
platinum; it could be sold via any commoditity broker; it could even be sold
for future delivery, if one chose, so there was no risk of a price drop.
There was a minor problem about how to remove the electrodes from 10,000 +-
spark plugs but I figured I could always hire a bunch of guys and let them
jerk them out with pliers. I'd even provide the pliers :)
The *biggest* problem was that I didn't have the $10,000 or so to win an
auction.
Somehow, the idea of quadrupling my money in a month or two appealed to me
so I set out to find a moneyman. I ran an ad in the local paper but got
only one response. A good one, though, because he was Chinese and the
Chinese are generally canny businessmen. Often have $$ too. Took him to
lunch, explained how he would double his money in a short time...all the
details. He wasn't interested. I even upped his portion, still wasn't
interested. I never could understand why, still can't.
Broke my heart. Not to mention trashing my dream of an empire built on
sparkplug platinum profits :(
--
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On Fri, 1 Oct 2010 15:36:56 -0700, "Lobby Dosser" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On Fri, 1 Oct 2010 08:33:41 -0700 (PDT), Sonny <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>In lieu of the recent issues concerning non-Sawstop table saws, some
>>>institutions are replacing their table saws, the local tech school
>>>being one of them. Here is another school that is replacing their non-
>>>Sawstop table saw - See the Powermatic listing:
>>>http://www.govdeals.com/index.cfm?fa=Main.CatSearch . For those
>>>interested, click onto the item for details.
>>>
>>>This is not the only saw that has been listed, on this site, this
>>>way.... there has been several. For anyone looking for a good table
>>>saw, or other tool, this site lists many state govt's assets being
>>>sold/auctioned, this way.
>>>
>>>It seems not too many folks are aware that these assets are available,
>>>since so few bidders participate. And I suspect not too many folks,
>>>looking for tools, are aware of this particular govt website. For
>>>those of you looking for a tool, etc., here is one way to check out
>>>what your state has to offer, i.e., this govdeals website.
>>
>> For a zipcode search, the response I kept getting was:
>>
>> 0 locations found within 600 miles of 97526.
>>
>> Ain't nuttin local to me.
>
>Salt Lake or LA
650 or 800 miles still ain't local.
--
Know how to listen, and you will
profit even from those who talk badly.
-- Plutarch
On Oct 1, 10:33=A0am, Sonny <[email protected]> wrote:
> In lieu of the recent issues concerning non-Sawstop table saws, some
> institutions are replacing their table saws, the local tech school
> being one of them. =A0Here is another school that is replacing their non-
> Sawstop table saw - See the Powermatic listing:http://www.govdeals.com/in=
dex.cfm?fa=3DMain.CatSearch=A0. =A0For those
> interested, click onto the item for details.
Unfortunately, the Saw Stop technology is closing some school's
woodworking class. Our local shop was advised by council that they
needed to upgrade. Can't afford another dollar hit so they are
shutting down instead.
RonB
On Oct 5, 5:55=A0am, "J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] says...
>
>
>
> > =A0"Mike Marlow" wrote:
>
> > > That is one aspect of education. =A0Rote memory is an equally valid
> > > aspect. Some knoweldge is stored facts and some is deduced. =A0Both
> > > are equally valid and equally valuable.
> > ------------------------------
> > You can also train a dog, but that doesn't mean you have educated the
> > dog.
>
> Are you saying that rote memorization has no place in the education
> system?
"What value of 2+2 would make you feel good about yourself today."
On Mon, 4 Oct 2010 22:27:57 -0400, Steve <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On 2010-10-04 09:21:34 -0400, "Leon" <[email protected]> said:
>
>> Dumbing down the system so that every one is accepted, dumbs down the
>> country as a whole.
>
>Ref.: "Idiocracy"
The USA in self-fulfilling prophecy, unfortunately.
Scary, scary movie.
--
Know how to listen, and you will
profit even from those who talk badly.
-- Plutarch
"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote
> People have been bitchin about the cost of public schools for as long as
> I can remember which is the late 1940s.
>
> Time to wake up and smell the roses.
>
> Education isn't cheap and as a country we are getting our academic clocks
> cleaned by other countries who recognize reality.
>
> Lew
If we got a better return on investment, they'd bitch less. We are #1 in
spending, but #10 in education. I'll continue to bitch, thank you. Money
is not the problem, but we keep throwing more money at it.
"Steve" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 2010-10-01 23:49:39 -0400, "CW" <[email protected]> said:
>
>> Contrast that with ours who's main interest is protecting their own.
>
> And this differs from, oh, say, the UAW how?
It doesn't. How does this relate to the subject?
"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "RonB" wrote:
>
>> Unfortunately, the Saw Stop technology is closing some school's
>> woodworking class. Our local shop was advised by council that they
>> needed to upgrade. Can't afford another dollar hit so they are
>> shutting down instead.
> -------------------------
> People have been bitchin about the cost of public schools for as long as
> I can remember which is the late 1940s.
>
> Time to wake up and smell the roses.
>
> Education isn't cheap and as a country we are getting our academic clocks
> cleaned by other countries who recognize reality.
Agreed! So the teachers need to step up.
In article <[email protected]>, lcb11211
@swbell.dotnet says...
>
> "Steve" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > On 2010-10-01 23:41:43 -0400, "Ed Pawlowski" <[email protected]> said:
> >
> >> If we got a better return on investment, they'd bitch less. We are #1 in
> >> spending, but #10 in education. I'll continue to bitch, thank you.
> >> Money is not the problem, but we keep throwing more money at it.
> >
> > How do you measure return? Scores on standardized testing? That just might
> > lead to "teaching to the test," particularly if bone-headed teacher
> > compensation schemes are tided to those results.
> >
> > "No Child Left Behind*" was NOT an educational intitiative.
> >
> > *or "No child left unrecruited," as a partion of that package required
> > school systems to forward student information to the military.
> >
>
> How do you measure return? We already have data to tell us how to teach for
> the best return. Look back to when we were less dissatisfied in the results
> in our educational system, use that method again.
> Dumbing down the system so that every one is accepted, dumbs down the
> country as a whole. The education system that was turning out rocket
> scientists back in the 50's and 60's seemed to work the best IMHO.
Except that it wasn't turning out rocket scientists, it was turning out
Hippies. You have to go back to WWII or before to find a system that
was turning out rocket scientists.
The big problem is that we have this attitude that _everybody_, no
matter how _stupid_ they are, has to graduate from high school, so high
school doesn't mean anything anymore.
> No child left behind is ridiculous. Not all dumb kids can be made smarter
> but all smart kids can be made to be dumber.
Yep. I'm fine with the notion of educating everyone to the limit of his
abilities, but not with the notion that everybody can or should be
educated to the same level.
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
>
> "Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > J. Clarke wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Except that it wasn't turning out rocket scientists, it was turning
> >> out Hippies. You have to go back to WWII or before to find a system
> >> that was turning out rocket scientists.
> >>
> >
> > Huh? The advances surrounding the space race were largely a product of
> > young minds coming out of engineering schools in the 60's. That era sure
> > did turn out rocket scientists.
"Young minds coming out of engineering schools in the '60s" would not
actually have been good for much as engineers until the '70s when they
had some experience behind them.
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > -Mike-
> > [email protected]
>
> And who the heck was responsible for launching and flying and monitoring the
> shuttles? Sure, there was a lot of young blood in there, but there were a
> few old farts kicking around, too.
The people responsible for launching and monitoring the Shuttle were
pretty much the same ones who were responsible for launching and
monitoring everything else that the US flew.
If you investigate you will find that relatively few astronauts ("the
people responsible for flying it") graduated from college in the '60s.
Mostly '70s and later, with a few old hands from the '50s.
In article <[email protected]>, lcb11211
@swbell.dotnet says...
>
> "Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > J. Clarke wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Except that it wasn't turning out rocket scientists, it was turning
> >> out Hippies. You have to go back to WWII or before to find a system
> >> that was turning out rocket scientists.
> >>
> >
> > Huh? The advances surrounding the space race were largely a product of
> > young minds coming out of engineering schools in the 60's. That era sure
> > did turn out rocket scientists.
>
>
> That is what I was thinkining, not to take away proper credit to those with
> great accomplishments prior to that.
Never forget that it was Von Braun's program, and he graduated before
WWII. It wasn't a bunch of fresh-out-of-school kids doing the work.
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
>
> On 2010-10-04 19:19:55 -0400, Bill <[email protected]> said:
>
> > Lots of them don't even respect and obey their parent (s).
> > But that's only half the story. There are lots of good kids out there
> > too. Everybody can probably name a few.
> >
> > Bill
>
> The horrible examples -- like the girl who walked back into my wife's
> classroom after having been called to the office and announced to the
> room as she pointed at Jane, "That bitch wrote me up" -- are the easy
> proof that bad get more notice than good. But she should have checked
> behind her. The Vice Principal was there, and the girl's no longer
> going to be attending school.
What state is this? The only way to remove a kid from school around
here is to get them sent to jail. Technically they can be expelled,
however they are still owed an education, so the district has to provide
tutors for them, which costs a lot more than letting them back into
school.
> And no, that apple did not fall far from the tree.
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
>
> "Mike Marlow" wrote:
>
> > That is one aspect of education. Rote memory is an equally valid
> > aspect. Some knoweldge is stored facts and some is deduced. Both
> > are equally valid and equally valuable.
> ------------------------------
> You can also train a dog, but that doesn't mean you have educated the
> dog.
Are you saying that rote memorization has no place in the education
system?
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
>
> "J. Clarke" wrote:
> > Are you saying that rote memorization has no place in the education
> > system?
> --------------
> Try again.
>
> That"s to obvious fluff a ball.
Nonresponsive.
Steve wrote:
> On 2010-10-01 21:32:51 -0400, "Leon" <[email protected]> said:
>
>> Sounds like some English teachers need to take a cut in pay to
>> finance the new saw.
>
> Nope - dump some administrators. That's where the high dollars are
> spent (uselessly, in the main).
>
MORE administrators will be needed to monitor, advise, and enforce the rules
surrounding the new saw.
"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 1 Oct 2010 08:33:41 -0700 (PDT), Sonny <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>In lieu of the recent issues concerning non-Sawstop table saws, some
>>institutions are replacing their table saws, the local tech school
>>being one of them. Here is another school that is replacing their non-
>>Sawstop table saw - See the Powermatic listing:
>>http://www.govdeals.com/index.cfm?fa=Main.CatSearch . For those
>>interested, click onto the item for details.
>>
>>This is not the only saw that has been listed, on this site, this
>>way.... there has been several. For anyone looking for a good table
>>saw, or other tool, this site lists many state govt's assets being
>>sold/auctioned, this way.
>>
>>It seems not too many folks are aware that these assets are available,
>>since so few bidders participate. And I suspect not too many folks,
>>looking for tools, are aware of this particular govt website. For
>>those of you looking for a tool, etc., here is one way to check out
>>what your state has to offer, i.e., this govdeals website.
>
> For a zipcode search, the response I kept getting was:
>
> 0 locations found within 600 miles of 97526.
>
> Ain't nuttin local to me.
You live way too close to California, they ain't going to let any thing like
that near.
"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 1 Oct 2010 08:33:41 -0700 (PDT), Sonny <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>In lieu of the recent issues concerning non-Sawstop table saws, some
>>institutions are replacing their table saws, the local tech school
>>being one of them. Here is another school that is replacing their non-
>>Sawstop table saw - See the Powermatic listing:
>>http://www.govdeals.com/index.cfm?fa=Main.CatSearch . For those
>>interested, click onto the item for details.
>>
>>This is not the only saw that has been listed, on this site, this
>>way.... there has been several. For anyone looking for a good table
>>saw, or other tool, this site lists many state govt's assets being
>>sold/auctioned, this way.
>>
>>It seems not too many folks are aware that these assets are available,
>>since so few bidders participate. And I suspect not too many folks,
>>looking for tools, are aware of this particular govt website. For
>>those of you looking for a tool, etc., here is one way to check out
>>what your state has to offer, i.e., this govdeals website.
>
> For a zipcode search, the response I kept getting was:
>
> 0 locations found within 600 miles of 97526.
>
> Ain't nuttin local to me.
>
You're closer than me. 900 miles.
"Steve B" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> J. Clarke wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Except that it wasn't turning out rocket scientists, it was turning
>>> out Hippies. You have to go back to WWII or before to find a system
>>> that was turning out rocket scientists.
>>>
>>
>> Huh? The advances surrounding the space race were largely a product of
>> young minds coming out of engineering schools in the 60's. That era sure
>> did turn out rocket scientists.
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> -Mike-
>> [email protected]
>
> And who the heck was responsible for launching and flying and monitoring
> the shuttles? Sure, there was a lot of young blood in there, but there
> were a few old farts kicking around, too.
These are the smart guys too but they did not so much have to figure out how
to get to the moon or to survive a launch they only had to improve on what
had been previousely learned.
Yea - our poor school has as many coaches for football as Dallas Cowboys
do. And they all make nice 6 figure numbers. So do all of the various vice
principals - one for each class, men, women, Academic and vocational then
the Principal himself. Oh - the band and library teachers are high rated as well.
Built monster buildings and then pay for air conditioning.
Wow - we had windows that open.
Martin
Martin H. Eastburn
@ home at Lions' Lair with our computer lionslair at consolidated dot net
"Our Republic and the Press will Rise or Fall Together": Joseph Pulitzer
TSRA: Endowed; NRA LOH & Patron Member, Golden Eagle, Patriot's Medal.
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On 10/2/2010 7:27 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
> On Fri, 1 Oct 2010 19:22:04 -0700, "Lew Hodgett"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> "RonB" wrote:
>>
>>> Unfortunately, the Saw Stop technology is closing some school's
>>> woodworking class. Our local shop was advised by council that they
>>> needed to upgrade. Can't afford another dollar hit so they are
>>> shutting down instead.
>> -------------------------
>> People have been bitchin about the cost of public schools for as long
>> as I can remember which is the late 1940s.
>>
>> Time to wake up and smell the roses.
>>
>> Education isn't cheap and as a country we are getting our academic
>> clocks cleaned by other countries who recognize reality.
>
> C'mon, Lew. Schools are being top-loaded with million dollar
> principals and admins, and gov't regulations on safety ensure that the
> buildings cost quintuple the amount they should while being not being
> much safer, if any. It's all paperwork bullshit. (see lead, asbestos,
> and other abatements, etc.)
>
> Your liberal unions have made firing bad teachers a thing of the past,
> too, while forcing out shop classes and forcing in useless classes.
>
> Schools should be privatized.
>
> --
> Know how to listen, and you will
> profit even from those who talk badly.
> -- Plutarch
J. Clarke wrote:
>
> Except that it wasn't turning out rocket scientists, it was turning
> out Hippies. You have to go back to WWII or before to find a system
> that was turning out rocket scientists.
>
Huh? The advances surrounding the space race were largely a product of
young minds coming out of engineering schools in the 60's. That era sure
did turn out rocket scientists.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
>650 or 800 miles still ain't local.
>You're closer than me. 900 miles.
>1,224 miles from me. Hmmmm.
The listings change. Be patient. Maybe next week, month, year a
listing, of interest, will be nearer to you. Seems not all states
have listings on this site, though. Zip 97526 is in Oregon... the
Oregon State surplus website has several drill presses (federal
listing) listed. Also, an institution, having a listing on the
govdeals site, may not be listing all their assets, i.e., not govt
related. Click onto "their other assets" link, to see what else they
may have to offer.
One of my reasons for this posting/thread: Some months ago, Bill (I
don't recall his user name, here), from Indiana, posted a link of a
table saw being sold at an estate auction. He asked for our opinion
of the saw. He didn't win the bid. Since then, I've occasionally
scanned several auction sites, to see if there is a saw available in
the Indiana area, to post it for him. Hopefully, Bill will see it....
and others, also, wanting to invest in good/reasonable tools.
I've purchased a few tools, via these types of auctions, including
several industrial sewing machines for my upholstery. Though I don't
need anymore large tools, I still like to "window shop" on these
sites.... and maybe spot something that someone like Bill can benefit
from.
Sonny
On Mon, 4 Oct 2010 08:21:34 -0500, "Leon" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>"Steve" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On 2010-10-01 23:41:43 -0400, "Ed Pawlowski" <[email protected]> said:
>>
>>> If we got a better return on investment, they'd bitch less. We are #1 in
>>> spending, but #10 in education. I'll continue to bitch, thank you.
>>> Money is not the problem, but we keep throwing more money at it.
>>
>> How do you measure return? Scores on standardized testing? That just might
>> lead to "teaching to the test," particularly if bone-headed teacher
>> compensation schemes are tided to those results.
>>
>> "No Child Left Behind*" was NOT an educational intitiative.
>>
>> *or "No child left unrecruited," as a partion of that package required
>> school systems to forward student information to the military.
>>
>
>How do you measure return? We already have data to tell us how to teach for
>the best return. Look back to when we were less dissatisfied in the results
>in our educational system, use that method again.
>Dumbing down the system so that every one is accepted, dumbs down the
>country as a whole. The education system that was turning out rocket
>scientists back in the 50's and 60's seemed to work the best IMHO.
Yeah, back when I was in school, I may not have liked all my teachers,
but I respected and obeyed all of them. Kids nowadays don't seem to
do that at all.
>No child left behind is ridiculous. Not all dumb kids can be made smarter
>but all smart kids can be made to be dumber.
No child left behind = No kid gets ahead.
--
Know how to listen, and you will
profit even from those who talk badly.
-- Plutarch
"Steve" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 2010-10-01 23:41:43 -0400, "Ed Pawlowski" <[email protected]> said:
>
>> If we got a better return on investment, they'd bitch less. We are #1 in
>> spending, but #10 in education. I'll continue to bitch, thank you.
>> Money is not the problem, but we keep throwing more money at it.
>
> How do you measure return? Scores on standardized testing? That just might
> lead to "teaching to the test," particularly if bone-headed teacher
> compensation schemes are tided to those results.
>
> "No Child Left Behind*" was NOT an educational intitiative.
>
> *or "No child left unrecruited," as a partion of that package required
> school systems to forward student information to the military.
>
How do you measure return? We already have data to tell us how to teach for
the best return. Look back to when we were less dissatisfied in the results
in our educational system, use that method again.
Dumbing down the system so that every one is accepted, dumbs down the
country as a whole. The education system that was turning out rocket
scientists back in the 50's and 60's seemed to work the best IMHO.
No child left behind is ridiculous. Not all dumb kids can be made smarter
but all smart kids can be made to be dumber.
"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 1 Oct 2010 08:33:41 -0700 (PDT), Sonny <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>In lieu of the recent issues concerning non-Sawstop table saws, some
>>institutions are replacing their table saws, the local tech school
>>being one of them. Here is another school that is replacing their non-
>>Sawstop table saw - See the Powermatic listing:
>>http://www.govdeals.com/index.cfm?fa=Main.CatSearch . For those
>>interested, click onto the item for details.
>>
>>This is not the only saw that has been listed, on this site, this
>>way.... there has been several. For anyone looking for a good table
>>saw, or other tool, this site lists many state govt's assets being
>>sold/auctioned, this way.
>>
>>It seems not too many folks are aware that these assets are available,
>>since so few bidders participate. And I suspect not too many folks,
>>looking for tools, are aware of this particular govt website. For
>>those of you looking for a tool, etc., here is one way to check out
>>what your state has to offer, i.e., this govdeals website.
>
> For a zipcode search, the response I kept getting was:
>
> 0 locations found within 600 miles of 97526.
>
> Ain't nuttin local to me.
Salt Lake or LA
On Fri, 01 Oct 2010 23:41:43 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> If we got a better return on investment, they'd bitch less. We are #1
> in spending, but #10 in education. I'll continue to bitch, thank you.
> Money is not the problem, but we keep throwing more money at it.
That seems to be the case. I suspect part of it is the public school
mission to educate every child, regardless of ability.
When I went to school (in the dark ages) if a child was extra stupid he/
she flunked and stayed in grade. If a child was exceptionally smart he/
she skipped a grade.
Now the practice seems to be to lower the education level so the stupid
can pass (or to pass them regardless) and have "enrichment" classes for
the smart. The kids in the middle, the majority, are the ones who get
hurt by these policies.
And the practices of our colleges and universities are similar, at least
in effect.
I don't have a solution, but I remember a comment in a book called
"Memoirs of a Superfluous Man" by Nock. He claimed to be the last
generation given a "classical" education and bemoaned the loss of such
until a friend pointed out that the vast majority of students were not
educable (in the classical sense) they were only trainable.
--
Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw
On 10/4/2010 9:17 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
> In article<[email protected]>, lcb11211
> @swbell.dotnet says...
>> How do you measure return? We already have data to tell us how to teach for
>> the best return. Look back to when we were less dissatisfied in the results
>> in our educational system, use that method again.
>> Dumbing down the system so that every one is accepted, dumbs down the
>> country as a whole. The education system that was turning out rocket
>> scientists back in the 50's and 60's seemed to work the best IMHO.
>
> Except that it wasn't turning out rocket scientists, it was turning out
> Hippies. You have to go back to WWII or before to find a system that
> was turning out rocket scientists.
>
> The big problem is that we have this attitude that _everybody_, no
> matter how _stupid_ they are, has to graduate from high school, so high
> school doesn't mean anything anymore.
>
>> No child left behind is ridiculous. Not all dumb kids can be made smarter
>> but all smart kids can be made to be dumber.
>
> Yep. I'm fine with the notion of educating everyone to the limit of his
> abilities, but not with the notion that everybody can or should be
> educated to the same level.
Hooray for everybody!
--
Repeat after me:
"I am we Todd it. I am sofa king we Todd it."
To reply, eat the taco.
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Larry Jaques wrote:
> Yeah, back when I was in school, I may not have liked all my teachers,
> but I respected and obeyed all of them. Kids nowadays don't seem to
> do that at all.
Lots of them don't even respect and obey their parent (s).
But that's only half the story. There are lots of good kids out there
too. Everybody can probably name a few.
Bill
On 10/4/10 6:09 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
> On Mon, 4 Oct 2010 08:21:34 -0500, "Leon"<[email protected]>
>> No child left behind is ridiculous. Not all dumb kids can be made smarter
>> but all smart kids can be made to be dumber.
>
> No child left behind = No kid gets ahead.
>
Well, the world needs ditch diggers, too. --Judge Smails
:-)
--
-MIKE-
"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com
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---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply
In article <[email protected]>
"Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> writes:
>
>Teaching to the test is often touted as as reason against standardized
>testing. Maybe... maybe not so much. At least if they teach to the test,
>the kids come out learning something - the stuff that is on the test. And
>that's not a bad thing. If the subject is math, and the test is a math test
>(what a thought...), then teaching to the test is bad in what respect?
[I try to stay out of these things, just posting to clarify, not debate.]
The difficulty in standardized tests is doing it well, which is a
hell of lot of work and requires pretty good understanding of the
language of the bubble-form. I did my undergrad work at a university
that was centered around a testing center. I had professors (or
perhaps professors' assistants) who knew how to draft a machine
scored test that was meaningful.
But most of the tests were fluff.
Lacking that involvement (and on *standardized* testing, the effort
is from some test selling company, not the school system) you get
tests of fact recall, or sometimes good guessing skills. (I had
one high school teacher who taught that, though he called it
"estimating.") As some say, that's better than nothing. But it
doesn't reflect much on the quality of education in the subject
area.
Much like real work, real testing is Hard.
I've had terrible teachers. I've had wonderful teachers. And I've
had teachers who may have been marking time until retirement. I
learned the most from the wonderful, the second most from the
terrible ("No man is useless, he can always serve as a counter-example.")
and I learned the least from the uninvolved space fillers.
It is my opinion that a primary focus on standardized testing
encourages teachers to be space fillers.
[This is Usenet, it should go without saying that I could be wrong.]
--
Drew Lawson | We were taking a vote when
| the ground came up and hit us.
| -- Cylon warrior
Larry Jaques wrote:
> On Mon, 04 Oct 2010 19:19:55 -0400, Bill<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Larry Jaques wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, back when I was in school, I may not have liked all my teachers,
>>> but I respected and obeyed all of them. Kids nowadays don't seem to
>>> do that at all.
>>
>> Lots of them don't even respect and obey their parent (s).
>> But that's only half the story. There are lots of good kids out there
>> too. Everybody can probably name a few.
>
> It just appears that things are different now than when we went to
> school. Pocket knives were OK then.
>
> Now I read about some schools where metal detectors are being
> installed at all school entrances, armed guards man the hallways--and
> sometimes in the classrooms.
>
Yep, kids today seem to be better armed... The prospect of being cut or
shot did not seem like a possibility when we went to high school.
On Mon, 04 Oct 2010 19:21:39 -0700, Larry Jaques wrote:
> It just appears that things are different now than when we went to
> school.
> Pocket knives were OK then.
Most of the guys in my high school had switchblades :-). Not to mention
the occasional zip gun. And I remember one football player who carried
brass knuckles.
Surprisingly, the only kid I remember ever getting hurt by all this
weaponry was one knucklehead who put smokeless powder in his black powder
muzzleloading pistol. Blew his thumb off. He didn't get a lot of
sympathy.
--
Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw
On Mon, 04 Oct 2010 23:41:56 +0000, Drew Lawson wrote:
> I've had terrible teachers. I've had wonderful teachers. And I've had
> teachers who may have been marking time until retirement. I learned the
> most from the wonderful, the second most from the terrible ("No man is
> useless, he can always serve as a counter-example.") and I learned the
> least from the uninvolved space fillers.
That's a pretty good summary. I'll add that I also had a couple of very
good teachers in high school that were past retirement age but kept on
teaching because they loved it.
--
Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw
On Tue, 05 Oct 2010 05:41:35 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
>> Are you saying that rote memorization has no place in the education
>> system?
>
> "What value of 2+2 would make you feel good about yourself today."
I wish you wouldn't do that when I'm drinking coffee :-).
--
Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw
On 10/5/2010 12:25 PM, Larry Blanchard wrote:
> On Tue, 05 Oct 2010 05:41:35 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
>
>>> Are you saying that rote memorization has no place in the education
>>> system?
>>
>> "What value of 2+2 would make you feel good about yourself today."
>
> I wish you wouldn't do that when I'm drinking coffee :-).
>
A popular (more general) answer to the question is that "my calculator
will tell me"--I should expend my precious time and energy on more
productive pursuits...why would I ever need to know the value of 2+2
anyway? Give me one good reason! I'd rather argue than think! : )
Bill
Bill wrote:
> Larry Jaques wrote:
>> On Mon, 04 Oct 2010 19:19:55 -0400, Bill<[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Larry Jaques wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yeah, back when I was in school, I may not have liked all my
>>>> teachers, but I respected and obeyed all of them. Kids nowadays
>>>> don't seem to do that at all.
>>>
>>> Lots of them don't even respect and obey their parent (s).
>>> But that's only half the story. There are lots of good kids out
>>> there too. Everybody can probably name a few.
>>
>> It just appears that things are different now than when we went to
>> school. Pocket knives were OK then.
>>
>> Now I read about some schools where metal detectors are being
>> installed at all school entrances, armed guards man the hallways--and
>> sometimes in the classrooms.
>>
>
> Yep, kids today seem to be better armed... The prospect of being cut
> or shot did not seem like a possibility when we went to high school.
really? my mom retired from teaching after putting in 25 years in 1985
because someone pulled a pistol on her in class, and who was back in school
after a 2 week suspension.
chaniarts wrote:
> Bill wrote:
>> Yep, kids today seem to be better armed... The prospect of being cut
>> or shot did not seem like a possibility when we went to high school.
>
> really? my mom retired from teaching after putting in 25 years in 1985
> because someone pulled a pistol on her in class, and who was back in school
> after a 2 week suspension.
>
Sorry, I generalized too fast. Location, location, location... We had
3 sides of town and 3 high schools. I went to the one in the middle, it
was on the west end. Attending the school on the east end would have
been scary 30 years ago. As I recall, the kids at the 3rd h.s. had a
reputation for spending a lot of money on drugs (KO).
Bill
On Fri, 1 Oct 2010 19:22:04 -0700, "Lew Hodgett"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>"RonB" wrote:
>
>> Unfortunately, the Saw Stop technology is closing some school's
>> woodworking class. Our local shop was advised by council that they
>> needed to upgrade. Can't afford another dollar hit so they are
>> shutting down instead.
>-------------------------
>People have been bitchin about the cost of public schools for as long
>as I can remember which is the late 1940s.
>
>Time to wake up and smell the roses.
>
>Education isn't cheap and as a country we are getting our academic
>clocks cleaned by other countries who recognize reality.
C'mon, Lew. Schools are being top-loaded with million dollar
principals and admins, and gov't regulations on safety ensure that the
buildings cost quintuple the amount they should while being not being
much safer, if any. It's all paperwork bullshit. (see lead, asbestos,
and other abatements, etc.)
Your liberal unions have made firing bad teachers a thing of the past,
too, while forcing out shop classes and forcing in useless classes.
Schools should be privatized.
--
Know how to listen, and you will
profit even from those who talk badly.
-- Plutarch
"Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> J. Clarke wrote:
>
>>
>> Except that it wasn't turning out rocket scientists, it was turning
>> out Hippies. You have to go back to WWII or before to find a system
>> that was turning out rocket scientists.
>>
>
> Huh? The advances surrounding the space race were largely a product of
> young minds coming out of engineering schools in the 60's. That era sure
> did turn out rocket scientists.
>
>
> --
>
> -Mike-
> [email protected]
And who the heck was responsible for launching and flying and monitoring the
shuttles? Sure, there was a lot of young blood in there, but there were a
few old farts kicking around, too.
Steve
Yep Lew down here in 'school boy' football land.
Martin
Martin H. Eastburn
@ home at Lions' Lair with our computer lionslair at consolidated dot net
"Our Republic and the Press will Rise or Fall Together": Joseph Pulitzer
TSRA: Endowed; NRA LOH & Patron Member, Golden Eagle, Patriot's Medal.
NRA Second Amendment Task Force Originator & Charter Founder
IHMSA and NRA Metallic Silhouette maker & member. http://lufkinced.com/
On 10/2/2010 9:43 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
> "Martin H. Eastburn" wrote:
>
>> Yea - our poor school has as many coaches for football as Dallas
>> Cowboys
>> do. And they all make nice 6 figure numbers. So do all of the
>> various vice
>> principals - one for each class, men, women, Academic and vocational
>> then
>> the Principal himself. Oh - the band and library teachers are high
>> rated as well.
>>
>> Built monster buildings and then pay for air conditioning.
>>
>> Wow - we had windows that open.
> ---------------------------
> You are in Texas aren't you?
>
> Lew
>
>
On Mon, 4 Oct 2010 12:28:42 -0700, "Lew Hodgett"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Must have worked, passed the tests.
My math teacher never understood me, show your work. What the hell did
they want me to do split my head. Ah typical teenage thinking. One
teacher asked me one day about how I saw math problem and had explain
the workings in my skull.
So I was given a 12 digit number to multiply what I did in my head,
it took me longer to explain but I had the right answer.
largest 3
AxY
next lowest
BxY
next lowest 3
CxY
lowest 3
DxY
Y being the common multiplier
stack them all together and you have the answer.
This got an "oh never thought about it like that".
I still had to show my work though.
Mark
On Fri, 1 Oct 2010 08:33:41 -0700 (PDT), Sonny <[email protected]>
wrote:
>In lieu of the recent issues concerning non-Sawstop table saws, some
>institutions are replacing their table saws, the local tech school
>being one of them. Here is another school that is replacing their non-
>Sawstop table saw - See the Powermatic listing:
>http://www.govdeals.com/index.cfm?fa=Main.CatSearch . For those
>interested, click onto the item for details.
>
>This is not the only saw that has been listed, on this site, this
>way.... there has been several. For anyone looking for a good table
>saw, or other tool, this site lists many state govt's assets being
>sold/auctioned, this way.
>
>It seems not too many folks are aware that these assets are available,
>since so few bidders participate. And I suspect not too many folks,
>looking for tools, are aware of this particular govt website. For
>those of you looking for a tool, etc., here is one way to check out
>what your state has to offer, i.e., this govdeals website.
For a zipcode search, the response I kept getting was:
0 locations found within 600 miles of 97526.
Ain't nuttin local to me.
--
Know how to listen, and you will
profit even from those who talk badly.
-- Plutarch
On Fri, 1 Oct 2010 19:22:04 -0700, "Lew Hodgett"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>"RonB" wrote:
>
>> Unfortunately, the Saw Stop technology is closing some school's
>> woodworking class. Our local shop was advised by council that they
>> needed to upgrade. Can't afford another dollar hit so they are
>> shutting down instead.
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>People have been bitchin about the cost of public schools for as long
>as I can remember which is the late 1940s.
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>Time to wake up and smell the roses.
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>Education isn't cheap and as a country we are getting our academic
>clocks cleaned by other countries who recognize reality.
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>Lew
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(Public) Education, my friends, is NOT A COST. It is an INVESTMENT.
And not the crappy kind of investment Goldman Sachs and Lehman
Brothers can flush down the drain in the blink of an eye.
TECHNICAL education, including "hands-on learning" is possibly the
best investment both Canada and the USA can ever make.
Sadly, I don't think we will see it again in our lifetimes.