The first thing you may think is that I am posting an off-topic thread to
ask the wreckers to post on topic. What a hypocrite, right?
Sorry. Off topic threads do have their place here and there. Like mine, I
feel that this is a matter that actually concerns the group. I am not a
frequent poster here, but I am a daily reader and I feel that readers are
equal members too.
Could we try to keep things to woodworking and related technologies? And
if you must post off topic, then please do it only about topics that
actually concern this group. Martha Stewert's legal matters, picture
posts of naked ladies, USA first amendment rights (we are not all
American), high-speed internet policies, and pet obituaries really do not
concern the group.
Now before you flame me to Mars, take a deep breath and think about it. I
post this with the best intentions for everyone. Happy Holidays to all!
On 29 Dec 2003 11:28:05 -0600, jev <[email protected]>
wrote:
LET ME JUST UNLIMBER MY CURMUDGEON-NESS HERE.
>AND COULD WE PLEASE STOP POSTING ALL CAPS SUBJECTS! IT IS THE ONLINE
>EQUIV OF SHOUTING
>
I'M SORRY, BUT THIS JUST AGGRAVATES ME NO END. WHAT FOOL DECIDED THAT
ALL CAPS WAS THE EQUIVALENT OF SHOUTING?
FOR THE MAJOR PART OF THE 20TH CENTURY THE MAJOR METHOD OF CONVEYING
THE PRINTED WORD WAS VIA THE VENERABLE TELETYPE MACHINE. USED BY
MAJOR CORPORATIONS, THE RAILROADS, WESTERN UNION, EVERY MAJOR NEWS
ORGANIZATION AND THE MILITARY, ET AL, I CANNOT RECALL EVEN ONE
ASSOCIATION OF ITS METHOD OF PRINT WITH THE ACT OF SHOUTING.
I DONT RECALL A SINGLE INSTANCE WHERE A FAMILY, UPON RECEIVING THE
DREADED TELEGRAM INFORMING THEM OF A DEATH OF A LOVED ONE IN COMBAT,
EVER THOUGHT THAT THE PRESIDENT OF THE USA WAS SHOUTING AT THEM.
I DONT RECALL EVER HEARING OF A SINGLE SWEEPSTAKES WINNER WHO REFUSED
TO PICK UP THEIR WINNINGS BECAUSE THEY WERE OFFENDED BY THE SHOUTING.
I SERIOUSLY DOUBT THAT ANY BROADWAY STAR, RECEIVING CONGRATULATORY
TELEGRAMS PRIOR TO AN OPENING, EVER THREW THEM AWAY AND WENT INTO A
SNIT BECAUSE THE SENDER WAS SHOUTING.
I'M EQUALLY CERTAIN THAT NOT A SINGLE NEWSPAPER EDITOR, READING OVER
THE DAY'S STORIES AND DECIDING WHAT TO CARRY IN HIS PAPER, EVER
THOUGHT TO HIMSELF "GEE, I WISH THOSE GUYS AT AP AND UPI WOULD QUIT
SHOUTING."
HOW MANY WORKERS RECEIVED A TELEGRAM NOTIFYING THEM OF THE END OF A
STRIKE, AND THEN REFUSED TO REPORT BACK TO THEIR PAYCHECK BECAUSE THEY
WERE BEING SHOUTED AT?
i CAN THINK OF NOT A SINGLE INSTANCE WHERE A BIRTH ANNOUNCEMENT
RESULTED IN A REFUSAL TO ACKNOWLEDGE A GRANDCHILD BECAUSE THE PARENTS
WERE RUDE ENOUGH TO SHOUT.
NO, IT TOOK THE ADVENT OF THE COMPUTER, AND ITS COROLLARY, THE GEEK,
TO LEND VOICE AND CREEDANCE TO SOMETHING THAT DOESNT EXIST. THE GEEK,
OF COURSE, GAVE BIRTH TO THE NERD, AND BOTH ARE CHARACTERIZED BY
KNOWING A LOT ABOUT VERY LITTLE, ASSUMING THAT THEY KNOW EVERYTHING
ABOUT EVERYTHING, ALL THE WHILE BEING ENTIRELY TOO VOCAL ABOUT IT. THE
DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THEM IS THAT THE GEEK IS EXTROVERTED (THUS MORE
ANNOYING) AND PERHAPS A BIT MORE TECHNICAL, BEING ABLE TO UNDERSTAND
THE INNER WORKINGS OF ANY PLASTIC BOX CONSUMER PRODUCT WITHOUT SO MUCH
AS A SINGLE REFERENCE TO THE MANUAL.
I SUSPECT THAT THE GEEK AND THE NERD WERE NATURE'S WAY OF FILLING THE
VACUUM OCCURING IN THE LATE TWENTIETH CENTURY WHEN COMMON SENSE BEGAN
TO EVAPORATE INTO THE VOID.
MY THOUGHTS ARE THAT THOSE WHO ZERO IN ON THE ALL-CAPS SITUATION DO SO
BECAUSE THEY HAVE ABSOLUTLY NO KNOWLEDGE OF THE TOPIC BEING DISCUSSED,
YET THEIR COMPULSIVE NATURE FORCES THEM TO SAY SOMTHING ANYWAY. BY
ATTACKING THE USE OF ALL CAPS THEY CAN DENIGRATE THE OTHER POSTERS,
AND AT THE SAME TIME DEMONSTRATE THEIR EXPERTISE IN COMMUNICATIONS.
THUS THEY HAVE TWO REASONS TO FEEL GOOD.
Now I ask you, is this any more readable than the foregoing
paragraphs?
OF COURSE NOT. SO, LIGHTEN UP. SPEND THE TIME INSTEAD WITH A GOOD
BOOK ON PUNCTUATION. WE'LL ALL BE BETTER SERVED.
FOR THOSE WHOSE ONLY EXPERIENCE WITH ALL CAPS HAS BEEN "ONLINE", YOU,
ESPECIALLY, NEED TO LIGHTEN UP. YOU'RE NOT OLD ENOUGH TO KNOW
EVERYTHING, OR EVEN MUCH, AND YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT YOU DON'T KNOW.
LARRY PRINCE
RIDGE CUSTOM WOODWORKS
THEBOSS AT RIDGEWORKS DOT COM
Mon, Dec 29, 2003, 7:52pm [email protected] (LP) shouted:
<snip> FOR THOSE WHOSE ONLY EXPERIENCE WITH ALL CAPS HAS BEEN "ONLINE",
YOU, ESPECIALLY, NEED TO LIGHTEN UP. YOU'RE NOT OLD ENOUGH TO KNOW
EVERYTHING, OR EVEN MUCH, AND YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT YOU DON'T KNOW.
I know enough to know that using all caps, as you did, is
considerd, rude, boorish, and impolite, at the very least. And, it is
as irritating as Hell.
JOAT
Success consists of going from failure to failure without loss of
enthusiasm.
- Sir Winston Churchill
Life just ain't life without good music. - JOAT
Web Page Update 29 Dec 2003.
Some tunes I like.
http://community-2.webtv.net/Jakofalltrades/SOMETUNESILIKE/
In article <[email protected]>, LP
<[email protected]> writes:
>LET ME JUST UNLIMBER MY CURMUDGEON-NESS HERE.
Mr. CURMUDGEON-NESS,
Now Sonny. None of the machines you mentioned would have used all caps if they
had developed inked tapes that didn't clog the smaller letters and render them
useless ever few hundred letters or so. Requireing them to be cleaned right in
the middle of a money making event. Death notices included.
I was around when the Geeks and their Nerd sons were thinking up this stuff.
Can't say I was there the first time it was stated but it was a simple enough
thought that even a brain dead jock like me could under stand.
WHEN . . . . . . . YOU . . . . . . HAVE . . . . . . . TO . . . . . STOP . . . .
. . TO . . . . . READ . . . . . . . EACH . . . . . . .WORD . . . . . . WHEN . .
. . . .THEY . . . . .CAPITALIZE . . . . . . . THEM . . . . . . . IT . . . . . .
SEEMS . . . . . . MORE . . . . . . . LIKE . . . . . .SOMEONE . . . . . . . . IS
. . . . . . .SHOUTING . . . . . . . .THE . . . . . .WORDS . . . .AT . . . . . .
.YOU!
But thank you for your input. I'm sure there will be much said on the subject
by the geeks, nerds and old jocks.
Roy
Tue, Dec 30, 2003, 3:10am (EST+5) [email protected]
(Mark=A0Jerde) says:
Um, some of us think the same of subject lines too... <g>
Gotta get your attention some way.
JOAT
Success consists of going from failure to failure without loss of
enthusiasm.
- Sir Winston Churchill
Life just ain't life without good music. - JOAT
Web Page Update 29 Dec 2003.
Some tunes I like.
http://community-2.webtv.net/Jakofalltrades/SOMETUNESILIKE/
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> Tue, Dec 30, 2003, 3:10am (EST+5) [email protected]
> (Mark=A0Jerde) says:
> Um, some of us think the same of subject lines too... <g>
>
> Gotta get your attention some way.
No, you really don't 'gotta'. I did it with this thread, but I don't
remember ever doing it before in the four years I've been a wrecker. You
do it every single time you post. You don't seem to get too many
responses to your threads. So much for getting people's attention.
Mon, Dec 29, 2003, 11:44pm [email protected] (wthlti) claims:
No, you really don't 'gotta'.
Well, if I do it, obviously, I "gotta".
I did it with this thread, but I don't remember ever doing it before in
the four years I've been a wrecker.
OK.
You do it every single time you post.
No I don't. Now, if you'd said most of the time, almost all the
time, or something like that, then I'd agree with you.
You don't seem to get too many responses to your threads.
No, I don't. Most of them aren't made to get responses. Most of
them are made to pass along plans I find that may benefit someone.
Sharing it's called.
So much for getting people's attention.
It was meant as a joke. You must not have found it funny. That's
OK.
JOAT
Success consists of going from failure to failure without loss of
enthusiasm.
- Sir Winston Churchill
Life just ain't life without good music. - JOAT
Web Page Update 29 Dec 2003.
Some tunes I like.
http://community-2.webtv.net/Jakofalltrades/SOMETUNESILIKE/
4 years and you JUST noticed the off topic discussion we get into?
Renata
On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 07:10:44 -0500, wthlti <[email protected]>
wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>,
>[email protected] says...
>> A most elegant response to what is most likely a new troll. Kind of
>> the ultimate troll, don't you think? A pro-active castigation of off-
>> topic postings.
>>
>
>
>I resent your unfounded accusation. I have been a wrecker for about 4
>years now. What was so offensive about my post?
smart, not dumb for email
Mon, Dec 29, 2003, 10:44am [email protected] (wthlti)
The first thing you may think is that I am posting an off-topic thread
to ask the wreckers to post on topic.<snip>
Your're not?
I post this with the best intentions for everyone.
Hmm, best intentions - ah, now I remember. That's what the road to
Hell is paved with.
We have found our new group moderator. Forward all bitches,
gripes, and moans to him.
By the way, what're you gonna do about the trolls that come here
and post, and cross-post, their crap?
JOAT
Success consists of going from failure to failure without loss of
enthusiasm.
- Sir Winston Churchill
Life just ain't life without good music. - JOAT
Web Page Update 29 Dec 2003.
Some tunes I like.
http://community-2.webtv.net/Jakofalltrades/SOMETUNESILIKE/
On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 19:52:40 -0500, LP wrote:
> On 29 Dec 2003 11:28:05 -0600, jev <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> LET ME JUST UNLIMBER MY CURMUDGEON-NESS HERE.
WAY COOL, DUDE.
-DOUG
On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 10:44:59 -0500, wthlti <[email protected]>
wrote:
><SNIP> I am <SNIP>I feel <SNIP> I am <SNIP>I am <SNIP> I feel <SNIP>
>I post <SNIP>. . .
Real Email is: tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet
Website: http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1
Skaepnig of raeadblity,
Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in
waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht
the frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a total
mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the
huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a
wlohe. Azamnig huh?
from <http://www.ltsneng.ac.uk/tcr/anecdote/index.asp>
Greg
Mark & Juanita wrote:
> ...
> Much more readable and a bit more subdued, don't you think.
LP wrote:
>
>
> I'M SORRY, BUT THIS JUST AGGRAVATES ME NO END. WHAT FOOL DECIDED THAT
> ALL CAPS WAS THE EQUIVALENT OF SHOUTING?
Can't tell, it was decided on before I got online about a decade ago.
>
> FOR THE MAJOR PART OF THE 20TH CENTURY THE MAJOR METHOD OF CONVEYING
> THE PRINTED WORD WAS VIA THE VENERABLE TELETYPE MACHINE.
Are you on a teletype?
> I DONT RECALL A SINGLE INSTANCE WHERE A FAMILY, UPON RECEIVING THE
> DREADED TELEGRAM INFORMING THEM OF A DEATH OF A LOVED ONE IN COMBAT,
Did a relative of mine die?
>
> I DONT RECALL EVER HEARING OF A SINGLE SWEEPSTAKES WINNER WHO REFUSED
> TO PICK UP THEIR WINNINGS BECAUSE THEY WERE OFFENDED BY THE SHOUTING.
Are you giving away money? How about a car?
>
> I SERIOUSLY DOUBT THAT ANY BROADWAY STAR, RECEIVING CONGRATULATORY
> TELEGRAMS
Are your postings to a broadway star?
>
> I'M EQUALLY CERTAIN THAT NOT A SINGLE NEWSPAPER EDITOR, READING OVER
> THE DAY'S STORIES AND DECIDING WHAT TO CARRY IN HIS PAPER, EVER
> THOUGHT TO HIMSELF "GEE, I WISH THOSE GUYS AT AP AND UPI WOULD QUIT
> SHOUTING."
Are we editing a newspaper stuck together from teletypes?
>
> i CAN THINK OF NOT A SINGLE INSTANCE WHERE A BIRTH ANNOUNCEMENT
> RESULTED IN A REFUSAL TO ACKNOWLEDGE A GRANDCHILD BECAUSE THE PARENTS
> WERE RUDE ENOUGH TO SHOUT.
Me? Have grandchildren? I didn't know I even had children. I had better
tell wife.
>
> NO, IT TOOK THE ADVENT OF THE COMPUTER, AND ITS COROLLARY, THE GEEK,
> TO LEND VOICE AND CREEDANCE TO SOMETHING THAT DOESNT EXIST.
> ..........
> MY THOUGHTS ARE THAT THOSE WHO ZERO IN ON THE ALL-CAPS SITUATION DO SO
> BECAUSE THEY HAVE ABSOLUTLY NO KNOWLEDGE OF THE TOPIC BEING DISCUSSED,
> YET THEIR COMPULSIVE NATURE FORCES THEM TO SAY SOMTHING ANYWAY.
It's convention. People who post in all caps tend to be ignored, They
are also seen as lacking in intellect. And Lazy.
If your blind and need all capitals to see what your typing but too
embarrassed to admit it then change your screen resolution or mail
editor to a font you can see?
If you don't like 'geeks' you can pack up the machine they invented and
get off the network they developed.
Else you can look forward to continuing to get your balls busted.
>
> Now I ask you, is this any more readable than the foregoing
> paragraphs?
Yes.
--
Mark
N.E. Ohio
Never argue with a fool, a bystander can't tell you apart. (S. Clemens,
A.K.A. Mark Twain)
When in doubt hit the throttle. It may not help but it sure ends the
suspense. (Gaz, r.moto)
Ok. So the wreck don't fit _your_ vision of what it's supposed to be.
I'd say chill out and accept it ('cause it ain't gonna change jess for
you) or go back into lurk mode.
Renata
On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 23:51:30 -0500, wthlti <[email protected]>
wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>,
>[email protected] says...
>> We'd better stay on topic, lest our Handyman of America membership cards
>> be revoked <G>
>
>LOL. OK, so I suppose that I should spend more time discussion Martha
>Stewert's legal matters, posting nude images of mediocre-looking women,
>discussing George Dubya's war on terror, posting unsolicited links to
>commercial web sites in all caps and labeling them 'inspirations', and
>flaming anyone and everyone who tries to make a constructive suggestion.
>If I start to do more of those things, perhaps I will fit right in. ;-)
smart, not dumb for email
"LP" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 29 Dec 2003 11:28:05 -0600, jev <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> LET ME JUST UNLIMBER MY CURMUDGEON-NESS HERE.
>
> >AND COULD WE PLEASE STOP POSTING ALL CAPS SUBJECTS! IT IS THE ONLINE
> >EQUIV OF SHOUTING
> >
>
> I'M SORRY, BUT THIS JUST AGGRAVATES ME NO END. WHAT FOOL DECIDED THAT
> ALL CAPS WAS THE EQUIVALENT OF SHOUTING?
>
> FOR THE MAJOR PART OF THE 20TH CENTURY THE MAJOR METHOD OF CONVEYING
> THE PRINTED WORD WAS VIA THE VENERABLE TELETYPE MACHINE.
Huh? You don't think that "books" and "magazines" and "newspapers"
(all, or any one group) conveyed more "printed words" than teletypes?
> Now I ask you, is this any more readable than the foregoing
> paragraphs?
Damn straight, I think it is. You do too, I'd wager. ;-)
> FOR THOSE WHOSE ONLY EXPERIENCE WITH ALL CAPS HAS BEEN "ONLINE", YOU,
> ESPECIALLY, NEED TO LIGHTEN UP. YOU'RE NOT OLD ENOUGH TO KNOW
> EVERYTHING, OR EVEN MUCH, AND YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT YOU DON'T KNOW.
Actually, until very recently (say, 1980+), virtually all "computer related"
data entry was all caps. IBM 026's and 029's (look 'em up) were all
caps. But then, I'm probably old enough to know everything. ;-)
Jim Stuyck
On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 10:23:05 -0500, Renata <[email protected]> brought
forth from the murky depths:
>4 years and you JUST noticed the off topic discussion we get into?
Yeah, and just now realized that he had a paper-thin skin
on 'im. Pobrecito!
>On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 07:10:44 -0500, wthlti <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>In article <[email protected]>,
>>[email protected] says...
>>> A most elegant response to what is most likely a new troll. Kind of
>>> the ultimate troll, don't you think? A pro-active castigation of off-
>>> topic postings.
>>>
>>
>>
>>I resent your unfounded accusation. I have been a wrecker for about 4
>>years now. What was so offensive about my post?
Grease up your shoulders, dude. The chips people throw at you
slide off 'em a whole lot more easily that way.
-
Yea, though I walk through the valley of Minwax, I shall stain no Cherry.
http://diversify.com
Larry Jaques writes:
>>>I resent your unfounded accusation. I have been a wrecker for about 4
>>>years now. What was so offensive about my post?
>
>Grease up your shoulders, dude. The chips people throw at you
>slide off 'em a whole lot more easily that way.
>
Unless they also toss the whole buffalo.
Charlie Self
"If you want to know what God thinks of money, just look at the people he gave
it to. " Dorothy Parker
http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/myhomepage/business.html
On 31 Dec 2003 09:14:34 GMT, [email protected] (Charlie Self)
brought forth from the murky depths:
>Larry Jaques writes:
>
>>>>I resent your unfounded accusation. I have been a wrecker for about 4
>>>>years now. What was so offensive about my post?
>>
>>Grease up your shoulders, dude. The chips people throw at you
>>slide off 'em a whole lot more easily that way.
>>
>
>Unless they also toss the whole buffalo.
Well, as the old saying goes
"When the chips are down, the buffalo's empty."
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Larry Jaques responds:
>>Unless they also toss the whole buffalo.
>
>Well, as the old saying goes
>
> "When the chips are down, the buffalo's empty."
But let's not forget the herd mentality.
Charlie Self
"If you want to know what God thinks of money, just look at the people he gave
it to. " Dorothy Parker
http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/myhomepage/business.html
On 31 Dec 2003 19:57:50 GMT, [email protected] (Charlie Self)
brought forth from the murky depths:
>Larry Jaques responds:
>
>>>Unless they also toss the whole buffalo.
>>
>>Well, as the old saying goes
>>
>> "When the chips are down, the buffalo's empty."
>
>But let's not forget the herd mentality.
Baaaaa?
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On 31 Dec 2003 09:14:34 GMT, [email protected] (Charlie Self)
Crawled out of the shop and said. . .:
>Larry Jaques writes:
>
>>Grease up your shoulders, dude. The chips people throw at you
>>slide off 'em a whole lot more easily that way.
>>
>
>Unless they also toss the whole buffalo.
>
>
ROFL Charlie!!! needed a good chuckle
On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 00:57:02 GMT, Doug Winterburn
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 19:52:40 -0500, LP wrote:
>
>> On 29 Dec 2003 11:28:05 -0600, jev <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> LET ME JUST UNLIMBER MY CURMUDGEON-NESS HERE.
>
>WAY COOL, DUDE.
>
>-DOUG
RIGHT ON!!!!
LP <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> On 29 Dec 2003 11:28:05 -0600, jev <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> LET ME JUST UNLIMBER MY CURMUDGEON-NESS HERE.
>
> >AND COULD WE PLEASE STOP POSTING ALL CAPS SUBJECTS! IT IS THE ONLINE
> >EQUIV OF SHOUTING
> >
>
> I'M SORRY, BUT THIS JUST AGGRAVATES ME NO END. WHAT FOOL DECIDED THAT
> ALL CAPS WAS THE EQUIVALENT OF SHOUTING?
Who decided it was uncouth to piss against the sides of public
buildings? Who decided it was wrong to molest small children? The
'community'. In this this case it was the community of "fools" who
made it possible for you to spew your "curmudgeon-ness" at the rest of
us. Since this medium has far more limited emotional cues than
conversation, or even printed matter, certain conventions were
adopted. One of them was that ALL CAPS MEANS SHOUTING!
See how that portion stands out in greater emphasis from the
rest?
> FOR THE MAJOR PART OF THE 20TH CENTURY THE MAJOR METHOD OF CONVEYING
> THE PRINTED WORD WAS VIA THE VENERABLE TELETYPE MACHINE. USED BY
Fine. Turn in your computer and go back to the teletype. For the
longest time only stone tools were available. Therefore, you must give
up any modern hand-tools, and especially power tools--send them to me.
> MAJOR CORPORATIONS, THE RAILROADS, WESTERN UNION, EVERY MAJOR NEWS
> ORGANIZATION AND THE MILITARY, ET AL, I CANNOT RECALL EVEN ONE
> ASSOCIATION OF ITS METHOD OF PRINT WITH THE ACT OF SHOUTING.
>
> I DONT RECALL A SINGLE INSTANCE WHERE A FAMILY, UPON RECEIVING THE
> DREADED TELEGRAM INFORMING THEM OF A DEATH OF A LOVED ONE IN COMBAT,
> EVER THOUGHT THAT THE PRESIDENT OF THE USA WAS SHOUTING AT THEM.
So just because they were physically limited by the primitive
equipment available, means we can't proceed beyond that?
> NO, IT TOOK THE ADVENT OF THE COMPUTER, AND ITS COROLLARY, THE GEEK,
> TO LEND VOICE AND CREEDANCE TO SOMETHING THAT DOESNT EXIST. THE GEEK,
> OF COURSE, GAVE BIRTH TO THE NERD, AND BOTH ARE CHARACTERIZED BY
> KNOWING A LOT ABOUT VERY LITTLE, ASSUMING THAT THEY KNOW EVERYTHING
And of course, YOU actually do know everything.
> I SUSPECT THAT THE GEEK AND THE NERD WERE NATURE'S WAY OF FILLING THE
> VACUUM OCCURING IN THE LATE TWENTIETH CENTURY WHEN COMMON SENSE BEGAN
> TO EVAPORATE INTO THE VOID.
And you are nature's way of filling in the vacuum occurring in
the late twentieth century when common courtesy began to evaporate
into the void.
>
> Now I ask you, is this any more readable than the foregoing
> paragraphs?
Yes. Numerous usability studies have shown very clearly that
mixed-case text is far more quickly comprehended than all-caps. Why do
you think 99.9995% of all printed matter is mixed case? Not because
it's cheaper ...
> OF COURSE NOT. SO, LIGHTEN UP. SPEND THE TIME INSTEAD WITH A GOOD
> BOOK ON PUNCTUATION. WE'LL ALL BE BETTER SERVED.
May I recommend some time with a book by Miss Manners?
> FOR THOSE WHOSE ONLY EXPERIENCE WITH ALL CAPS HAS BEEN "ONLINE", YOU,
> ESPECIALLY, NEED TO LIGHTEN UP. YOU'RE NOT OLD ENOUGH TO KNOW
> EVERYTHING, OR EVEN MUCH, AND YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT YOU DON'T KNOW.
And you know even less than you think.
On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 01:23:13 GMT, "Jim Stuyck" <[email protected]>
wrote:
<snip>
>Huh? You don't think that "books" and "magazines" and "newspapers"
>(all, or any one group) conveyed more "printed words" than teletypes?
You're absolutely right. I did commit an obvious and most
embarrassing gaffe by not limiting my remarks to
electric/electronically transmitted words.
>> Now I ask you, is this any more readable than the foregoing
>> paragraphs?
>
>Damn straight, I think it is. You do too, I'd wager. ;-)
Actually I don't. But I also don't think its worth getting all heated
up over.
>
>> FOR THOSE WHOSE ONLY EXPERIENCE WITH ALL CAPS HAS BEEN "ONLINE", YOU,
>> ESPECIALLY, NEED TO LIGHTEN UP. YOU'RE NOT OLD ENOUGH TO KNOW
>> EVERYTHING, OR EVEN MUCH, AND YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT YOU DON'T KNOW.
>
>Actually, until very recently (say, 1980+), virtually all "computer related"
>data entry was all caps. IBM 026's and 029's (look 'em up) were all
>caps. But then, I'm probably old enough to know everything. ;-)
Agreed. And yes I remember those. And yes, another gaffe, in that I
didnt specify my remarks pertained primarily to the interpersonal
communication made ubiquitious with the advent of email and
newsgroups.
Did you take JOAT's older than dirt test? I did and failed miserably,
in that, yes, i'm older than dirt :)
And to further clarify, my initial post was a somewhat tongue-in-cheek
jab at those who would kill the messenger rather than take something
useful away from the message.
And that's the part that REALLY aggravates me!! :)
Larry M. Prince
Ridge Custom WoodWorks
Hey,
I'm sure you have the best intentions, but the solution is very simple. If
you don't like to read off-topic posts, don't click on the off-topic posts!
Every message has a subject, click on those that interest you and don't
click on the ones that don't. Very easy.
:)
"wthlti" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> The first thing you may think is that I am posting an off-topic thread to
> ask the wreckers to post on topic. What a hypocrite, right?
>
> Sorry. Off topic threads do have their place here and there. Like mine, I
> feel that this is a matter that actually concerns the group. I am not a
> frequent poster here, but I am a daily reader and I feel that readers are
> equal members too.
>
> Could we try to keep things to woodworking and related technologies? And
> if you must post off topic, then please do it only about topics that
> actually concern this group. Martha Stewert's legal matters, picture
> posts of naked ladies, USA first amendment rights (we are not all
> American), high-speed internet policies, and pet obituaries really do not
> concern the group.
>
> Now before you flame me to Mars, take a deep breath and think about it. I
> post this with the best intentions for everyone. Happy Holidays to all!
>
"wthlti" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] says...
> > We'd better stay on topic, lest our Handyman of America membership cards
> > be revoked <G>
>
> LOL. OK, so I suppose that I should spend more time discussion Martha
> Stewert's legal matters, posting nude images of mediocre-looking women,
> discussing George Dubya's war on terror, posting unsolicited links to
> commercial web sites in all caps and labeling them 'inspirations', and
> flaming anyone and everyone who tries to make a constructive suggestion.
> If I start to do more of those things, perhaps I will fit right in. ;-)
I don't think you got flamed. I suspect you've been around the block enough
times to know what a real flame is. You just got a bunch of responses from
people who disagree. Basically, nobody (including me) agrees with your
assertion that OT posts are really a problem here, at least those made by
wreck'ers. The OT posts that caused the biggest problems in the past were
made outsiders who don't give a damn what you think anyway, so they aren't
going to change their behavior based on your "constructive suggestions".
<bliss>To be honest, those people might even still be around, but with
Nfilter, I don't even know it </bliss>.
I've never used Gravity, but I'm willing to bet that it has a feature that
can ignore postings with "OT" in the subject. I will echo the sentiments of
a few others and suggest that you familiarize yourself with this feature.
todd
In article <[email protected]>, wthlti <[email protected]> wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>,
>[email protected] says...
>> In article <[email protected]>, tjwatson1
>> @hotmail.com says...
>> > On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 10:44:59 -0500, wthlti <[email protected]>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > ><SNIP> I am <SNIP>I feel <SNIP> I am <SNIP>I am <SNIP> I feel <SNIP>
>> > >I post <SNIP>. . .
>>
>> A most elegant response to what is most likely a new troll. Kind of
>> the ultimate troll, don't you think? A pro-active castigation of off-
>> topic postings.
>I resent your unfounded accusation. I have been a wrecker for about 4
>years now. What was so offensive about my post?
The (heavily edited) portion quoted above by Tom Watson, of course. You must
be a lot of fun at parties. I can just see it: the conversation takes a
direction that you don't care for, and you stand up on a chair, beat your
chest a few times, and loudly proclaim your desire that everyone "stay on
topic". As defined by yourself, of course.
Most folks, in this situation, would find someone else to talk to. Or leave to
go to a different party. If you don't like off-topic posts, learn to use the
killfile feature of your newsreader. It's the same basic idea.
--
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)
How come we choose from just two people to run for president and 50 for Miss America?
Sorry if I came across as "snippy". I of course know the internet wasn't
invented just for my pleasure. My point was that it's everybody's and no
one knows what others are interested in. Yes it's a woodworking group so
that is the main focus, but for some of us it's also more than just an
anonymous group of posters. These are some of my woodworking buddies and
what interests them might interest me as well. If not because I'm really
interested then because THEY are. In other words, as a friend I listen to
what they want to talk about. Just like my "real" friends if I don't want
to hear them rant and rave about Martha Stewart or some other topic I don't.
With my real friends I either change the subject or tell them I don't care.
With a newsgroup I just ignore the thread. It works for me. If it were
mostly OT threads then I'd probably go away, but my guess is 95% or more of
the topics are directly related to woodworking.
Anyway, good luck to your quest of changing all the OT posters. I'm not
putting any money on you being successful though.
--
Larry C in Auburn, WA
"wthlti" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <pRYHb.229163$_M.1009188@attbi_s54>, [email protected]
> says...
> > I understand your concern, but I think most off topic posters are very
> > conscientious about starting the thread with "OT" and as a daily reader
too
> > I only find a couple of OT threads a day. Since the number of OT posts
is
> > small and they are almost always identified as such I don't have a
problem
> > with that. Since the internet was built for ME, not YOU I think people
can
> > continue on about their business as always.
> >
> > Now, if the internet was built for YOU instead of ME that would be a
> > different story.
>
> It is OUR internet. I stated my opinion, you stated yours. No need to get
> snippy. ;-) I am sure that we both love the wreck equally. I just want to
> be sure that the OT stuff doesn't get as bad in here as it was a few
> months ago.
>
> > In that case I think the best thing would be for you to
> > provide us a list of topics you're interested in so we would be sure to
only
> > post on those topics.
>
> 1. Woodworking
> 2. OT threads regarding the wreck.
>
In article <pRYHb.229163$_M.1009188@attbi_s54>, [email protected]
says...
> I understand your concern, but I think most off topic posters are very
> conscientious about starting the thread with "OT" and as a daily reader too
> I only find a couple of OT threads a day. Since the number of OT posts is
> small and they are almost always identified as such I don't have a problem
> with that. Since the internet was built for ME, not YOU I think people can
> continue on about their business as always.
>
> Now, if the internet was built for YOU instead of ME that would be a
> different story.
It is OUR internet. I stated my opinion, you stated yours. No need to get
snippy. ;-) I am sure that we both love the wreck equally. I just want to
be sure that the OT stuff doesn't get as bad in here as it was a few
months ago.
> In that case I think the best thing would be for you to
> provide us a list of topics you're interested in so we would be sure to only
> post on those topics.
1. Woodworking
2. OT threads regarding the wreck.
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> AND COULD WE PLEASE STOP POSTING ALL CAPS SUBJECTS! IT IS THE ONLINE
> EQUIV OF SHOUTING
You are correct! My fault. Sorry. JOAT and a handful of others need to
take this advice too.
And Jev, you could stop top-posting too!
Mon, Dec 29, 2003, 12:29pm [email protected] (wthlti) claims:
You are correct! My fault. Sorry. JOAT and a handful of others need to
take this advice too.
No I don't.
JOAT
Success consists of going from failure to failure without loss of
enthusiasm.
- Sir Winston Churchill
Life just ain't life without good music. - JOAT
Web Page Update 29 Dec 2003.
Some tunes I like.
http://community-2.webtv.net/Jakofalltrades/SOMETUNESILIKE/
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> Don't like 'em? Ignore 'em. Really don't like 'em? Build the kill file to
> ignore 'em for you.
>
> Welcome to the rec. <g!>
Thanks for the warm welcome but you're a bit late. I've been a wrecker
for almost four years.
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> We'd better stay on topic, lest our Handyman of America membership cards
> be revoked <G>
LOL. OK, so I suppose that I should spend more time discussion Martha
Stewert's legal matters, posting nude images of mediocre-looking women,
discussing George Dubya's war on terror, posting unsolicited links to
commercial web sites in all caps and labeling them 'inspirations', and
flaming anyone and everyone who tries to make a constructive suggestion.
If I start to do more of those things, perhaps I will fit right in. ;-)
In article <Ll7Ib.4048$I07.9282@attbi_s53>, [email protected]
says...
> Sorry if I came across as "snippy". I of course know the internet wasn't
> invented just for my pleasure. My point was that it's everybody's and no
> one knows what others are interested in. Yes it's a woodworking group so
> that is the main focus, but for some of us it's also more than just an
> anonymous group of posters. These are some of my woodworking buddies and
> what interests them might interest me as well. If not because I'm really
> interested then because THEY are. In other words, as a friend I listen to
> what they want to talk about. Just like my "real" friends if I don't want
> to hear them rant and rave about Martha Stewart or some other topic I don't.
> With my real friends I either change the subject or tell them I don't care.
> With a newsgroup I just ignore the thread. It works for me. If it were
> mostly OT threads then I'd probably go away, but my guess is 95% or more of
> the topics are directly related to woodworking.
>
> Anyway, good luck to your quest of changing all the OT posters. I'm not
> putting any money on you being successful though.
>
I see your point. I have no quest. I just wanted to offer a perspective.
I would hate to see the OT stuff get as bad as it was a few months ago
with all the profanity, porn, and flame wars. The wreck is one of the
most civil groups on Usenet and I would like to do my part to help keep
it that way.
Mon, Dec 29, 2003, 11:57pm [email protected] (wthlti) says:
<snip> I would hate to see the OT stuff get as bad as it was a few
months ago with all the profanity, porn, and flame wars. <snip>
That sounds like you're referring to the flood of troll posts.
Those were not originated by people here.
JOAT
Success consists of going from failure to failure without loss of
enthusiasm.
- Sir Winston Churchill
Life just ain't life without good music. - JOAT
Web Page Update 29 Dec 2003.
Some tunes I like.
http://community-2.webtv.net/Jakofalltrades/SOMETUNESILIKE/
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> Mon, Dec 29, 2003, 11:57pm [email protected] (wthlti) says:
> <snip> I would hate to see the OT stuff get as bad as it was a few
> months ago with all the profanity, porn, and flame wars. <snip>
>
> That sounds like you're referring to the flood of troll posts.
> Those were not originated by people here.
>
> JOAT
> Success consists of going from failure to failure without loss of
> enthusiasm.
> - Sir Winston Churchill
>
> Life just ain't life without good music. - JOAT
> Web Page Update 29 Dec 2003.
> Some tunes I like.
> http://community-2.webtv.net/Jakofalltrades/SOMETUNESILIKE/
>
>
From what I remember, it started from a post by a wrecker who posted
something about his sick dog. Hey, I just wanted to offer a perspective.
I am not trying to be a moderator.
>wthlti wrote:
>From what I remember, it started from a post by a wrecker who posted
>something about his sick dog. Hey, I just wanted to offer a perspective.
>I am not trying to be a moderator
Yes, you are. Your perspective is noted. And it was _her_ sick (now
deceased)dog. Tom
Someday, it'll all be over....
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> >wthlti wrote:
>
> >From what I remember, it started from a post by a wrecker who posted
> >something about his sick dog. Hey, I just wanted to offer a perspective.
> >I am not trying to be a moderator
>
> Yes, you are. Your perspective is noted. And it was _her_ sick (now
> deceased)dog. Tom
> Someday, it'll all be over....
>
... and, BTW, the particular post was on-topic (so the diatribes vs.
OT posting are moot) because it was a woodworking product that had
sickened the dog. Unfortunately, that post was cross-posted to another
group, opening a gateway for some rather unsavory trolls to enter rec.ww
and inflict pain and suffering in this little backwater of Usenet in
addition to the world they normally inhabited.
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> In article <[email protected]>, tjwatson1
> @hotmail.com says...
> > On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 10:44:59 -0500, wthlti <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > ><SNIP> I am <SNIP>I feel <SNIP> I am <SNIP>I am <SNIP> I feel <SNIP>
> > >I post <SNIP>. . .
> >
> >
>
> A most elegant response to what is most likely a new troll. Kind of
> the ultimate troll, don't you think? A pro-active castigation of off-
> topic postings.
>
I resent your unfounded accusation. I have been a wrecker for about 4
years now. What was so offensive about my post?
We'd better stay on topic, lest our Handyman of America membership cards
be revoked <G>
Renata wrote:
> Nah. That's for the Eagles to accomplish!
>
> Renata
>
> On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 22:05:01 GMT, Mark <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>C'mon folks, get serious....
>>Will the KC Chiefs go all the way???
>>Oops, OT again. My bad Mark
>>
>
>
> smart, not dumb for email
On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 08:01:55 -0800, Tom Watson wrote:
> On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 10:44:59 -0500, wthlti <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>><SNIP> I am <SNIP>I feel <SNIP> I am <SNIP>I am <SNIP> I feel <SNIP> I
>>post <SNIP>. . .
>
ROTFLMAO!!
I installed this thingy about two years ago after a minor bashing from a
passing snow plow. Actually it was the snow rather than the plow that
bashed, but let's don't get picky here. It works like a something or other;
even a fairly stiff wind will swing it and it takes literally two seconds to
reposition. As with everything from Lee Valley it is nicely finished and
rugged. It's one of those things you want to take with you when you move.
Bob
"Fly-by-Night CC" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Message 1 in threadFrom: David F. Eisan ([email protected])
> Subject: Solution for Mailbox Baseball
>
>
> View this article onlyNewsgroups: rec.woodworking
> Date: 2000/04/17
>
> Dear All,
>
> I was just looking through the latest Lee Valley May 2000 catalogue flyer
> and thought I would mention what is listed on the top left of page 24 as
> I
> can recall a few posts asking about how to defeat mailbox baseball
> players.
> The flyer shows a T type metal bracket for use with 4x4 lumber that
> allows
> the longer rail that holds the mail box to swivel up and away when
> struck.
>
> www.leevalley.com
>
> Thanks,
>
> David. (who has no affiliation with Lee Valley)
>
> Message 2 in threadFrom: Jon Endres ([email protected])
> Subject: Re: Solution for Mailbox Baseball
>
>
> View this article onlyNewsgroups: rec.woodworking
> Date: 2000/04/17
>
> David,
>
> Out here in the sticks, this kind of game is quite popular, and seems to
> have a loyal following among teenagers with old beater pickups and too
> much
> (illegally obtained) beer. One local homeowner defeated this, which
> caused
> one young man some damage a few years back.
>
> What he did, after suffering the loss of a rather well-decorated and
> nice-looking box, was to purchase two boxes, one very large and one quite
> small. He placed the small one inside the large one with spacers, so
> that
> you had to open the large one to get at the small one. Then he removed
> the
> door from the small one so the mailman didn't have to open two doors. He
> placed a large steel pipe in the ground with a flange on top to mount the
> boxes, one inside the other. He then filled the post and the space
> BETWEEN
> the two boxes with high strength concrete.
>
> Now, the local kids decided, what better way to have some fun than to
> wreck
> this guy's brand new 'oversize' box, nice big target. The poor bastard
> who
> was in the back of the truck swinging away, not only didn't do any
> damage to
> the box, he broke the wooden bat he was using, broke one wrist, and fell
> out
> of the truck at about 35 mph, suffering some road rash.
>
> Hope he learned his lesson.
>
> --
> Jon Endres, P.E.
> West Mountain Engineering Co.
> [email protected]
>
> --
> Owen Lowe and his Fly-by-Night Copper Company
> Offering a shim for the Porter-Cable 557 type 2 fence design.
> <http://www.flybynightcoppercompany.com>
> <http://www.easystreet.com/~onlnlowe/index.html>
wthlti" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]
<snip>
> Sorry. Off topic threads do have their place here and there.
Aye. The wreck has often been likened to a bunch of woodworkers having a
beer and a chat on a porch on a summer's evening. The majority of the
conversation centres round woodworking, but it may well be interrupted by a
pretty girl walking by, or if one of the company needs to vent his spleen on
(insert topic of choice) And if one of the crowd needs to unload his grief
about his shop dog, or Tom wants to break into song, well, I say what the
hell. I'd rather see the odd interesting OT post now and then than yet
another request for the secret of making pallet wood look like cherry, or
where can I find the new ACME Widget cheapest.
<snip>
>I am not a frequent poster here, but I am a daily reader and I feel that
readers are equal members too.
That's a bit like the quiet guy at the back of the porch complaining that he
doesn't like the conversation, even although he's got nothing to contribute
himself.
<snip>
> Now before you flame me to Mars, take a deep breath and think about it. I
> post this with the best intentions for everyone.>
I'm not going to flame to to Mars or anywhere else. You've as much right to
vent your spleen as any of the rest of us. However, I would say that if you
don't want to see OT posts, then you could set your browser to reject
anything with OT in the heading - most people are well-mannered enough to
signal their intentions by putting OT in the subject line.
<snip from another post>
>I just want to be sure that the OT stuff doesn't get as bad in here as it
was a few months ago.
Not a fair point at all. The majority of those OT posts were from the
trailer trash down the road, who shouldn't have been on the porch in the
first place. And they didn't put OT in the headers. And a lot of the
headers were in Caps. And they top-posted as well, the scurrilous bastards.
> Happy Holidays to all!
And to you too, wthlti. (Catchy handle!) I don't doubt your intentions are
good, but let's lighten up, eh?
Kind Regards
Frank
>
In article <[email protected]>,
LP <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 29 Dec 2003 11:28:05 -0600, jev <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>LET ME JUST UNLIMBER MY CURMUDGEON-NESS HERE.
>
>>AND COULD WE PLEASE STOP POSTING ALL CAPS SUBJECTS! IT IS THE ONLINE
>>EQUIV OF SHOUTING
>
>I'M SORRY, BUT THIS JUST AGGRAVATES ME NO END. WHAT FOOL DECIDED THAT
>ALL CAPS WAS THE EQUIVALENT OF SHOUTING?
I can be as curmudgeonly as you! On the net, where caps are used for
emphasis, most people read an ALL CAPS post as being all emphasis - or
in analogy to the spoken word - "shouting".
>FOR THE MAJOR PART OF THE 20TH CENTURY THE MAJOR METHOD OF CONVEYING
>THE PRINTED WORD WAS VIA THE VENERABLE TELETYPE MACHINE. USED BY
>MAJOR CORPORATIONS, THE RAILROADS, WESTERN UNION, EVERY MAJOR NEWS
>ORGANIZATION AND THE MILITARY, ET AL, I CANNOT RECALL EVEN ONE
>ASSOCIATION OF ITS METHOD OF PRINT WITH THE ACT OF SHOUTING.
The Baudot code teletype was indeed all caps. The ascii teletypes
which arrived about halfway through that century had both upper and
lower case. (I'm not sure exactly when they started, but I purchased
several in the late 60's.) But I think that the old Baudot teletypes
continued in use for quite a while longer.
Until mixed case could be used, then there was no such thing as "caps
for emphasis" - hence your long list of "examples" are not applicable.
> ..
>NO, IT TOOK THE ADVENT OF THE COMPUTER, AND ITS COROLLARY, THE GEEK,
>TO LEND VOICE AND CREEDANCE TO SOMETHING THAT DOESNT EXIST.
Phooey. Mixed case didn't exist in the old teletypes, it did in the
newer ones, and it did in the computers which were used in networking
(which used ascii or ebcdic.)
>THE GEEK,
>OF COURSE, GAVE BIRTH TO THE NERD, AND BOTH ARE CHARACTERIZED BY
>KNOWING A LOT ABOUT VERY LITTLE, ASSUMING THAT THEY KNOW EVERYTHING
>ABOUT EVERYTHING, ALL THE WHILE BEING ENTIRELY TOO VOCAL ABOUT IT. THE
>DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THEM IS THAT THE GEEK IS EXTROVERTED (THUS MORE
>ANNOYING) AND PERHAPS A BIT MORE TECHNICAL, BEING ABLE TO UNDERSTAND
>THE INNER WORKINGS OF ANY PLASTIC BOX CONSUMER PRODUCT WITHOUT SO MUCH
>AS A SINGLE REFERENCE TO THE MANUAL.
>
>I SUSPECT THAT THE GEEK AND THE NERD WERE NATURE'S WAY OF FILLING THE
>VACUUM OCCURING IN THE LATE TWENTIETH CENTURY WHEN COMMON SENSE BEGAN
>TO EVAPORATE INTO THE VOID.
Basically the above is name-calling.
>MY THOUGHTS ARE THAT THOSE WHO ZERO IN ON THE ALL-CAPS SITUATION DO SO
>BECAUSE THEY HAVE ABSOLUTLY NO KNOWLEDGE OF THE TOPIC BEING DISCUSSED,
>YET THEIR COMPULSIVE NATURE FORCES THEM TO SAY SOMTHING ANYWAY. BY
>ATTACKING THE USE OF ALL CAPS THEY CAN DENIGRATE THE OTHER POSTERS,
>AND AT THE SAME TIME DEMONSTRATE THEIR EXPERTISE IN COMMUNICATIONS.
>THUS THEY HAVE TWO REASONS TO FEEL GOOD.
>
>Now I ask you, is this any more readable than the foregoing
>paragraphs?
I think it is. I find I can read mixed case text faster and with
greater accuracy than all caps. Even all lower case is better than all
caps, probably because the "descenders" make it easier to distinguish letters.
>OF COURSE NOT. SO, LIGHTEN UP. SPEND THE TIME INSTEAD WITH A GOOD
>BOOK ON PUNCTUATION. WE'LL ALL BE BETTER SERVED.
>
>FOR THOSE WHOSE ONLY EXPERIENCE WITH ALL CAPS HAS BEEN "ONLINE", YOU,
>ESPECIALLY, NEED TO LIGHTEN UP. YOU'RE NOT OLD ENOUGH TO KNOW
>EVERYTHING, OR EVEN MUCH, AND YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT YOU DON'T KNOW.
Junior, I'm not sure that you're old enough to know everything.
>LARRY PRINCE
>RIDGE CUSTOM WOODWORKS
>THEBOSS AT RIDGEWORKS DOT COM
Maybe you're too used to being "THEBOSS" and having your opinions
accepted without question?
--
--henry schaffer
hes _AT_ ncsu _DOT_ edu
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
>
> I'M SORRY, BUT THIS JUST AGGRAVATES ME NO END. WHAT FOOL DECIDED THAT
> ALL CAPS WAS THE EQUIVALENT OF SHOUTING?
>
> FOR THE MAJOR PART OF THE 20TH CENTURY THE MAJOR METHOD OF CONVEYING
> THE PRINTED WORD WAS VIA THE VENERABLE TELETYPE MACHINE. USED BY
> MAJOR CORPORATIONS, THE RAILROADS, WESTERN UNION, EVERY MAJOR NEWS
> ORGANIZATION AND THE MILITARY, ET AL, I CANNOT RECALL EVEN ONE
> ASSOCIATION OF ITS METHOD OF PRINT WITH THE ACT OF SHOUTING.
>
And as another curmudgeon who lived through those days, and even
programmed computers and printed reports with only upper case, I was
extrememly glad to see lower case capabilities finally appear.
I have no desire to go back :-).
You may not object to upper case - you may not object to farting at the
dinner table. But when you're associating with other people, you learn
that they don't like uppercase or smelly farts and you adjust your
behavior accordingly.
Usenet has been around for a long time. It has accumulated a large
number of "etiquette" rules. You may not like them, but they're not
going to change just for you (or me, or anyone else). Obey the rules or
get flamed and/or killfiled - it's that simple.
--
Where ARE those Iraqi WMDs?
i THINK IT;S hARDER TO READ.
"Doug Winterburn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 19:52:40 -0500, LP wrote:
>
> > On 29 Dec 2003 11:28:05 -0600, jev <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > LET ME JUST UNLIMBER MY CURMUDGEON-NESS HERE.
>
> WAY COOL, DUDE.
>
> -DOUG
LOL... I don't think I could do that if I tried.
--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 12/29/03
"Gregory C. Lewin" wrote in message
> Skaepnig of raeadblity,
>
> Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in
> waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht
> the frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a total
> mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the
> huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a
> wlohe. Azamnig huh?
LP wrote:
> Now I ask you, is this any more readable than the foregoing
> paragraphs?
Yes, actually.
Anyway, all the teletype stuff aside, caps as SHOUTING has been usenet
convention for better than 30 years.
--
Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan <[email protected]>
Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> On 29 Dec 2003 11:28:05 -0600, jev <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> LET ME JUST UNLIMBER MY CURMUDGEON-NESS HERE.
>
> >AND COULD WE PLEASE STOP POSTING ALL CAPS SUBJECTS! IT IS THE ONLINE
> >EQUIV OF SHOUTING
> >
>
> I'M SORRY, BUT THIS JUST AGGRAVATES ME NO END. WHAT FOOL DECIDED THAT
> ALL CAPS WAS THE EQUIVALENT OF SHOUTING?
>
> FOR THE MAJOR PART OF THE 20TH CENTURY THE MAJOR METHOD OF CONVEYING
> THE PRINTED WORD WAS VIA THE VENERABLE TELETYPE MACHINE. USED BY
> MAJOR CORPORATIONS, THE RAILROADS, WESTERN UNION, EVERY MAJOR NEWS
> ORGANIZATION AND THE MILITARY, ET AL, I CANNOT RECALL EVEN ONE
> ASSOCIATION OF ITS METHOD OF PRINT WITH THE ACT OF SHOUTING.
>
... and then lower-case capability was invented and life became much
more, well, civilized. No "fool" decided all-caps was the equivalent of
shouting, it was a convention that arose early in the beginning of
Usenet when it was realized that mixed case posting was possible. Now,
look at the difference between the mixed case example I show here, and
your rather obnoxious all-caps posting above. Much more readable and a
bit more subdued, don't you think. Just because a now antiquated
communications means was only capable of all-caps, doesn't mean that a
new convention with more advanced technology cannot arise. Early Usenet
users recognized the need to be able to capture more than just words in
print, the nuances of the poster were also often important, hence the
use of emoticons to convey playfulness and the rise of the convention of
using all-caps to indicate ire.
In article <[email protected]>, tjwatson1
@hotmail.com says...
> On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 10:44:59 -0500, wthlti <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> ><SNIP> I am <SNIP>I feel <SNIP> I am <SNIP>I am <SNIP> I feel <SNIP>
> >I post <SNIP>. . .
>
>
A most elegant response to what is most likely a new troll. Kind of
the ultimate troll, don't you think? A pro-active castigation of off-
topic postings.
I like mine,
10" heavy wall stainless steel pipe for the mailbox to sit in welded
to a piece of 4" pipe set into the ground. Pretty much impervious to
anything you want to throw at it. Snow plows don't even wiggle the
thing.
Fly-by-Night CC <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Message 1 in threadFrom: David F. Eisan ([email protected])
> Subject: Solution for Mailbox Baseball
>
>
> View this article onlyNewsgroups: rec.woodworking
> Date: 2000/04/17
>
> Dear All,
>
> I was just looking through the latest Lee Valley May 2000 catalogue flyer
> and thought I would mention what is listed on the top left of page 24 as
> I
> can recall a few posts asking about how to defeat mailbox baseball
> players.
> The flyer shows a T type metal bracket for use with 4x4 lumber that
> allows
> the longer rail that holds the mail box to swivel up and away when
> struck.
>
> www.leevalley.com
>
> Thanks,
>
> David. (who has no affiliation with Lee Valley)
>
> Message 2 in threadFrom: Jon Endres ([email protected])
> Subject: Re: Solution for Mailbox Baseball
>
>
> View this article onlyNewsgroups: rec.woodworking
> Date: 2000/04/17
>
> David,
>
> Out here in the sticks, this kind of game is quite popular, and seems to
> have a loyal following among teenagers with old beater pickups and too
> much
> (illegally obtained) beer. One local homeowner defeated this, which
> caused
> one young man some damage a few years back.
>
> What he did, after suffering the loss of a rather well-decorated and
> nice-looking box, was to purchase two boxes, one very large and one quite
> small. He placed the small one inside the large one with spacers, so
> that
> you had to open the large one to get at the small one. Then he removed
> the
> door from the small one so the mailman didn't have to open two doors. He
> placed a large steel pipe in the ground with a flange on top to mount the
> boxes, one inside the other. He then filled the post and the space
> BETWEEN
> the two boxes with high strength concrete.
>
> Now, the local kids decided, what better way to have some fun than to
> wreck
> this guy's brand new 'oversize' box, nice big target. The poor bastard
> who
> was in the back of the truck swinging away, not only didn't do any
> damage to
> the box, he broke the wooden bat he was using, broke one wrist, and fell
> out
> of the truck at about 35 mph, suffering some road rash.
>
> Hope he learned his lesson.
>
> --
> Jon Endres, P.E.
> West Mountain Engineering Co.
> [email protected]
Don't like 'em? Ignore 'em. Really don't like 'em? Build the kill file to
ignore 'em for you.
Welcome to the rec. <g!>
Good luck
Rob
--
Remove CC for email and please visit our web site:
http://www.robswoodworking.com
"wthlti" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> The first thing you may think is that I am posting an off-topic thread to
> ask the wreckers to post on topic. What a hypocrite, right?
>
> Sorry. Off topic threads do have their place here and there. Like mine, I
> feel that this is a matter that actually concerns the group. I am not a
> frequent poster here, but I am a daily reader and I feel that readers are
> equal members too.
>
> Could we try to keep things to woodworking and related technologies? And
> if you must post off topic, then please do it only about topics that
> actually concern this group. Martha Stewert's legal matters, picture
> posts of naked ladies, USA first amendment rights (we are not all
> American), high-speed internet policies, and pet obituaries really do not
> concern the group.
>
> Now before you flame me to Mars, take a deep breath and think about it. I
> post this with the best intentions for everyone. Happy Holidays to all!
>
wthlti <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
>
> Could we try to keep things to woodworking and related technologies? And
> if you must post off topic, then please do it only about topics that
> actually concern this group. Martha Stewert's legal matters, picture
> posts of naked ladies, USA first amendment rights (we are not all
> American), high-speed internet policies, and pet obituaries really do not
> concern the group.
>
> Now before you flame me to Mars, take a deep breath and think about it. I
> post this with the best intentions for everyone. Happy Holidays to all!
<inhale, exhale... inhale, exhale>
OK Two deep breaths and I have thought about it. And I still can't
figure it out...
Not knowing each and every person on the 'wreck, how could I possibly
know which topics concern this group. If it is about wood, it
definitely concerns the group. If it is off topic, it may or may not
concern the group. You would have a valid complaint if you had asked
everyone to please preface their off topic posts with OT.
Congratulations on your appointment to the Cabal. Be sure to notify
the 25+ responders to Glen's touching dog story that contrary to their
actions, they are not really interested. While you are at it, tell
Tom to knock it off with the cute poetry and limericks. While they
are somewhat on topic and very entertaining, they are not what the
'wreck was designated for so he should cease and desist immediately.
And while I did not necessarily appreciate the naked photos, there IS
a connection to "wood" ;-)
-Chris
Mon, Dec 29, 2003, 12:01pm (EST-3) [email protected] (Chris)
says:
<snip> Be sure to notify the 25+ responders to Glen's touching dog story
that contrary to their actions, they are not really interested. <snip>
I didn't respond. Not from lack of interest. I don't like to read
about stuff like that. It's hard losing a pet. No reason an OT post
like that should be discouraged, to my mind.
The troll post on it, now that person should be hunted down and
severly hurt.
JOAT
Success consists of going from failure to failure without loss of
enthusiasm.
- Sir Winston Churchill
Life just ain't life without good music. - JOAT
Web Page Update 29 Dec 2003.
Some tunes I like.
http://community-2.webtv.net/Jakofalltrades/SOMETUNESILIKE/
On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 19:52:40 -0500, LP <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 29 Dec 2003 11:28:05 -0600, jev <[email protected]>
>wrote:
[unreadable and irrelavent nonsense snipped]
I didn't bother reading your rant because it was all caps. Whether it
was "shouting" or not is beside the point. Studies have shown that
mixed case text has greater readibility than all caps.
Just like the grammar thread elsewhere, if you want your material
seen, read, and to have credibility, type in mixed case (leading caps
and lower case everywhere else) and spell correctly.
LRod
Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite
Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999
http://www.woodbutcher.net
On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 19:52:40 -0500, LP <[email protected]> wrote:
>LET ME JUST UNLIMBER MY CURMUDGEON-NESS HERE.
...no...
Tom Watson
(Real Email is tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet)
http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/
"wthlti" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] says...
> > Don't like 'em? Ignore 'em. Really don't like 'em? Build the kill file
to
> > ignore 'em for you.
> >
> > Welcome to the rec. <g!>
>
> Thanks for the warm welcome but you're a bit late. I've been a wrecker
> for almost four years.
Then you're certainly aware that this is a group of like-minded souls who
take thier hobby (or trade, in many cases) seriously but not themselves.
Relax, have a beer, start talking about wood and see where the conversation
goes.
And welcome. Even if you've been here for several years, no one can know
that until you uncloak.
Bob
C'mon folks, get serious....
Will the KC Chiefs go all the way???
Oops, OT again. My bad Mark
wthlti wrote:
> The first thing you may think is that I am posting an off-topic thread to
> ask the wreckers to post on topic. What a hypocrite, right?
>
> Sorry. Off topic threads do have their place here and there. Like mine, I
> feel that this is a matter that actually concerns the group. I am not a
> frequent poster here, but I am a daily reader and I feel that readers are
> equal members too.
>
> Could we try to keep things to woodworking and related technologies? And
> if you must post off topic, then please do it only about topics that
> actually concern this group. Martha Stewert's legal matters, picture
> posts of naked ladies, USA first amendment rights (we are not all
> American), high-speed internet policies, and pet obituaries really do not
> concern the group.
>
> Now before you flame me to Mars, take a deep breath and think about it. I
> post this with the best intentions for everyone. Happy Holidays to all!
>
AND COULD WE PLEASE STOP POSTING ALL CAPS SUBJECTS! IT IS THE ONLINE
EQUIV OF SHOUTING
On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 10:44:59 -0500, wthlti <[email protected]>
wrote:
>The first thing you may think is that I am posting an off-topic thread to
>ask the wreckers to post on topic. What a hypocrite, right?
>
>Sorry. Off topic threads do have their place here and there. Like mine, I
>feel that this is a matter that actually concerns the group. I am not a
>frequent poster here, but I am a daily reader and I feel that readers are
>equal members too.
>
>Could we try to keep things to woodworking and related technologies? And
>if you must post off topic, then please do it only about topics that
>actually concern this group. Martha Stewert's legal matters, picture
>posts of naked ladies, USA first amendment rights (we are not all
>American), high-speed internet policies, and pet obituaries really do not
>concern the group.
>
>Now before you flame me to Mars, take a deep breath and think about it. I
>post this with the best intentions for everyone. Happy Holidays to all!
Mon, Dec 29, 2003, 11:28am (EST-1) [email protected]
(jev) says, with an exclamation point, instead of a question mark:
AND COULD WE PLEASE STOP POSTING ALL CAPS SUBJECTS! IT IS THE ONLINE
EQUIV OF SHOUTING
So is all caps thread content equivalent to shouting, and ever so
much more rude and annoying.
And, yes, of course we could stop posting all caps subjects. Will
"we" stop posting all caps subjects? Who's we? And, no.
JOAT
Success consists of going from failure to failure without loss of
enthusiasm.
- Sir Winston Churchill
Life just ain't life without good music. - JOAT
Web Page Update 29 Dec 2003.
Some tunes I like.
http://community-2.webtv.net/Jakofalltrades/SOMETUNESILIKE/
>>On 29 Dec 2003 11:28:05 -0600, jev <[email protected]>
>>wrote:
>>
>>LET ME JUST UNLIMBER MY CURMUDGEON-NESS HERE.
>>
>>>AND COULD WE PLEASE STOP POSTING ALL CAPS SUBJECTS! IT IS THE ONLINE
>>>EQUIV OF SHOUTING
>>>
>>
>>I'M SORRY, BUT THIS JUST AGGRAVATES ME NO END. WHAT FOOL DECIDED THAT
>>ALL CAPS WAS THE EQUIVALENT OF SHOUTING?
>>
>>FOR THE MAJOR PART OF THE 20TH CENTURY THE MAJOR METHOD OF CONVEYING
>>THE PRINTED WORD WAS VIA THE VENERABLE TELETYPE MACHINE. USED BY
>>MAJOR CORPORATIONS, THE RAILROADS, WESTERN UNION, EVERY MAJOR NEWS
>>ORGANIZATION AND THE MILITARY, ET AL, I CANNOT RECALL EVEN ONE
>>ASSOCIATION OF ITS METHOD OF PRINT WITH THE ACT OF SHOUTING.
Several studies have proven that lower case is much more easily read
in block text paragraphs than all capitals. Interesting the
difference is nearly the same for seriffed vs non serif fonts, which
seem to be beloved by geeks.
The theory for lower case being more easily read than upper case is
that the difference in heights of certain letters in lower case ( a
vs. b, for example) create a pattern which is more readily picked up.
The serifs provide better linking between letters than the untied
together non-serif fonts
Teletype's progenitor was morse code. Using lower and upper case
characters would have required an additional set of 26 codes, not only
harder to send and translate but a waste of transit space. Except for
the national press services, blocks of "good English" text was seldom
sent in teletype transmissions. Instead, one saw severely shortened
text like "Arrived Paris 6 Sep" instead of "I arrived in Paris on
September 6."
Soooo, STOP WITH THE ALL CAPS.
>Teletype's progenitor was morse code. Using lower and upper case
>characters would have required an additional set of 26 codes, not only
>harder to send and translate but a waste of transit space. Except for
>the national press services, blocks of "good English" text was seldom
>sent in teletype transmissions. Instead, one saw severely shortened
>text like "Arrived Paris 6 Sep" instead of "I arrived in Paris on
>September 6."
...and amazingly we are quickly going back to that (and then some) with instant
messaging. I can't even read an IM message, but kids are quick to learn it and
use it. ain't it gr8?
Dave Hall
Three things
1) Welcome to the 21st century.
2) Actually, studies on readability have been done and in paragraphs
particulary, mixed case and serifs (vs non-serif type) IS more
readable.
3) While I agree that folks sometimes overlook the message to pick on
nits such as top posting, spelling, etc., the convention has been well
established that upper case is for emphasis and it's not cool to post
in all uppers.
Renata
On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 19:52:40 -0500, LP <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 29 Dec 2003 11:28:05 -0600, jev <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>LET ME JUST UNLIMBER MY CURMUDGEON-NESS HERE.
>
>>AND COULD WE PLEASE STOP POSTING ALL CAPS SUBJECTS! IT IS THE ONLINE
>>EQUIV OF SHOUTING
>>
>
>I'M SORRY, BUT THIS JUST AGGRAVATES ME NO END. WHAT FOOL DECIDED THAT
>ALL CAPS WAS THE EQUIVALENT OF SHOUTING?
>
>FOR THE MAJOR PART OF THE 20TH CENTURY THE MAJOR METHOD OF CONVEYING
>THE PRINTED WORD WAS VIA THE VENERABLE TELETYPE MACHINE. USED BY
>MAJOR CORPORATIONS, THE RAILROADS, WESTERN UNION, EVERY MAJOR NEWS
>ORGANIZATION AND THE MILITARY, ET AL, I CANNOT RECALL EVEN ONE
>ASSOCIATION OF ITS METHOD OF PRINT WITH THE ACT OF SHOUTING.
>
--snip--
>LARRY PRINCE
>RIDGE CUSTOM WOODWORKS
>THEBOSS AT RIDGEWORKS DOT COM
smart, not dumb for email
On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 12:29:42 -0500, wthlti <[email protected]>
Crawled out of the shop and said. . .:
you don't like top posters? then don't read em, kill file em
you don't like the way JOAT posts in all caps, (mind you mostly ONLY
his tips tricks and inspiration posts are this way) don't read them
you are a "regular wrecker"? im not thinking so,,,if you were you
would know most of the people on the moron bench consider the folks
here friends, if not family we never meet.
take it elsewhere, or go back to lurking for a while to learn
something.
>In article <[email protected]>,
>[email protected] says...
>> AND COULD WE PLEASE STOP POSTING ALL CAPS SUBJECTS! IT IS THE ONLINE
>> EQUIV OF SHOUTING
>
>You are correct! My fault. Sorry. JOAT and a handful of others need to
>take this advice too.
>
>
>And Jev, you could stop top-posting too!
Message 1 in threadFrom: David F. Eisan ([email protected])
Subject: Solution for Mailbox Baseball
View this article onlyNewsgroups: rec.woodworking
Date: 2000/04/17
Dear All,
I was just looking through the latest Lee Valley May 2000 catalogue flyer
and thought I would mention what is listed on the top left of page 24 as
I
can recall a few posts asking about how to defeat mailbox baseball
players.
The flyer shows a T type metal bracket for use with 4x4 lumber that
allows
the longer rail that holds the mail box to swivel up and away when
struck.
www.leevalley.com
Thanks,
David. (who has no affiliation with Lee Valley)
Message 2 in threadFrom: Jon Endres ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Solution for Mailbox Baseball
View this article onlyNewsgroups: rec.woodworking
Date: 2000/04/17
David,
Out here in the sticks, this kind of game is quite popular, and seems to
have a loyal following among teenagers with old beater pickups and too
much
(illegally obtained) beer. One local homeowner defeated this, which
caused
one young man some damage a few years back.
What he did, after suffering the loss of a rather well-decorated and
nice-looking box, was to purchase two boxes, one very large and one quite
small. He placed the small one inside the large one with spacers, so
that
you had to open the large one to get at the small one. Then he removed
the
door from the small one so the mailman didn't have to open two doors. He
placed a large steel pipe in the ground with a flange on top to mount the
boxes, one inside the other. He then filled the post and the space
BETWEEN
the two boxes with high strength concrete.
Now, the local kids decided, what better way to have some fun than to
wreck
this guy's brand new 'oversize' box, nice big target. The poor bastard
who
was in the back of the truck swinging away, not only didn't do any
damage to
the box, he broke the wooden bat he was using, broke one wrist, and fell
out
of the truck at about 35 mph, suffering some road rash.
Hope he learned his lesson.
--
Jon Endres, P.E.
West Mountain Engineering Co.
[email protected]
--
Owen Lowe and his Fly-by-Night Copper Company
Offering a shim for the Porter-Cable 557 type 2 fence design.
<http://www.flybynightcoppercompany.com>
<http://www.easystreet.com/~onlnlowe/index.html>
Mon, Dec 29, 2003, 3:29pm (EST-3) [email protected]
(Fly-by-Night=A0CC) posted:
<snip> T type metal bracket for use with 4x4 lumber that allows the
longer rail that holds the mail box to swivel up and away when struck.
<snip>
Nope, but if it had a section of 4X4 hanging by a short chain from
the back, and the whole thing would spin when hit, bringing the short
section around, and smacking the truant, then I'd say thay had something
worthwhile. But, since it won't, I prefer Jon's version, or something
similar.
I personally don't have a mailbox anymore. Get my mail at the post
office. My mailbox got flattened by a truck years ago. OK, so I didn't
see it when I was backing up. LOL I'd already started getting my mail
at the post office a couple of years before that.
JOAT
Success consists of going from failure to failure without loss of
enthusiasm.
- Sir Winston Churchill
Life just ain't life without good music. - JOAT
Web Page Update 29 Dec 2003.
Some tunes I like.
http://community-2.webtv.net/Jakofalltrades/SOMETUNESILIKE/
In article <[email protected]>,
"Jon Endres, PE" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> Made us famous, it did.
I was surprised it was you two! Or at least that's as far back as I
cared to google it. I couldn't locate the very first message on the
subject, and decided you two could take the heat.
--
Owen Lowe and his Fly-by-Night Copper Company
Offering a shim for the Porter-Cable 557 type 2 fence design.
<http://www.flybynightcoppercompany.com>
<http://www.easystreet.com/~onlnlowe/index.html>
In article <[email protected]>,
"Bob Schmall" <[email protected]> wrote:
> I installed this thingy about two years ago after a minor bashing from a
> passing snow plow. Actually it was the snow rather than the plow that
> bashed, but let's don't get picky here. It works like a something or other;
> even a fairly stiff wind will swing it and it takes literally two seconds to
> reposition. As with everything from Lee Valley it is nicely finished and
> rugged. It's one of those things you want to take with you when you move.
See folks? Even the most seemingly off topic topic is on topic and
benefits some of us. Ya never know!
--
Owen Lowe and his Fly-by-Night Copper Company
Offering a shim for the Porter-Cable 557 type 2 fence design.
<http://www.flybynightcoppercompany.com>
<http://www.easystreet.com/~onlnlowe/index.html>
I understand your concern, but I think most off topic posters are very
conscientious about starting the thread with "OT" and as a daily reader too
I only find a couple of OT threads a day. Since the number of OT posts is
small and they are almost always identified as such I don't have a problem
with that. Since the internet was built for ME, not YOU I think people can
continue on about their business as always.
Now, if the internet was built for YOU instead of ME that would be a
different story. In that case I think the best thing would be for you to
provide us a list of topics you're interested in so we would be sure to only
post on those topics.
--
Larry C in Auburn, WA
"wthlti" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> The first thing you may think is that I am posting an off-topic thread to
> ask the wreckers to post on topic. What a hypocrite, right?
>
> Sorry. Off topic threads do have their place here and there. Like mine, I
> feel that this is a matter that actually concerns the group. I am not a
> frequent poster here, but I am a daily reader and I feel that readers are
> equal members too.
>
> Could we try to keep things to woodworking and related technologies? And
> if you must post off topic, then please do it only about topics that
> actually concern this group. Martha Stewert's legal matters, picture
> posts of naked ladies, USA first amendment rights (we are not all
> American), high-speed internet policies, and pet obituaries really do not
> concern the group.
>
> Now before you flame me to Mars, take a deep breath and think about it. I
> post this with the best intentions for everyone. Happy Holidays to all!
>
Damn, I was going to avoid entering the debate/discussion/bs session...
Frank this is SPOT ON
And I am indeed kicking back with (not a beer - but a bourbon), and having a
smile.
My greets to you all..(whingers and baiters alike - oh and also the bait
takers...)
:)
Mike from Oz
Lurker Extraordinaire
"Frank McVey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> > Sorry. Off topic threads do have their place here and there.
>
> Aye. The wreck has often been likened to a bunch of woodworkers having a
> beer and a chat on a porch on a summer's evening. The majority of the
> conversation centres round woodworking, but it may well be interrupted by
a
> pretty girl walking by, or if one of the company needs to vent his spleen
on
> (insert topic of choice) And if one of the crowd needs to unload his
grief
> about his shop dog, or Tom wants to break into song, well, I say what the
> hell. I'd rather see the odd interesting OT post now and then than yet
> another request for the secret of making pallet wood look like cherry, or
> where can I find the new ACME Widget cheapest.
((snip))
> And to you too, wthlti. (Catchy handle!) I don't doubt your intentions
are
> good, but let's lighten up, eh?
>
> Kind Regards
>
> Frank
>
>
> >
>
>
Nah. That's for the Eagles to accomplish!
Renata
On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 22:05:01 GMT, Mark <[email protected]> wrote:
>C'mon folks, get serious....
>Will the KC Chiefs go all the way???
>Oops, OT again. My bad Mark
>
smart, not dumb for email
A good wannabe-moderator he may not make
but a good troll, without trying, not half-baked.
--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 12/29/03
"Chris" wrote in message
> Congratulations on your appointment to the Cabal. Be sure to notify
> the 25+ responders to Glen's touching dog story that contrary to their
> actions, they are not really interested. While you are at it, tell
> Tom to knock it off with the cute poetry and limericks. While they
> are somewhat on topic and very entertaining, they are not what the
> 'wreck was designated for so he should cease and desist immediately.
> And while I did not necessarily appreciate the naked photos, there IS
> a connection to "wood" ;-)
>
> -Chris
On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 10:23:05 -0500, Renata <[email protected]> wrote:
>4 years and you JUST noticed the off topic discussion we get into?
The boy's got some catching up to do. Alright everybody, let's dance.
APPLE BROWN BETTY
4 c. apples
1/4 c. orange juice
1 c. sugar
3/4 c. flour
1/4 tsp. cinnamon
1/4 tsp. nutmeg
1/2 c. butter
Sprinkle apples with orange juice. Mix all other ingredients together
and mix in with apples. Add a dash of salt. Mound apples in a buttered
pie plate. Bake at 375 degrees for 45 minutes or until apples are
done.
Your turn ;>
Michael
Wed, Dec 31, 2003, 4:19am (EST+5) NOSPAM
([email protected]>) says:
<snip> Your turn
Well, seeing as this "is" a woodworking newsgroup, I guess this
would be an appropiate main course.
http://www.geocities.com/facilis224/page3.html
JOAT
Success consists of going from failure to failure without loss of
enthusiasm.
- Sir Winston Churchill
Life just ain't life without good music. - JOAT
Web Page Update 29 Dec 2003.
Some tunes I like.
http://community-2.webtv.net/Jakofalltrades/SOMETUNESILIKE/
WHOA
--
This space for rent.
Jerry© The Phoneman®
"Apt Woodworker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 00:57:02 GMT, Doug Winterburn
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 19:52:40 -0500, LP wrote:
> >
> >> On 29 Dec 2003 11:28:05 -0600, jev <[email protected]>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> LET ME JUST UNLIMBER MY CURMUDGEON-NESS HERE.
> >
> >WAY COOL, DUDE.
> >
> >-DOUG
>
>
> RIGHT ON!!!!
"Fly-by-Night CC" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Message 1 in threadFrom: David F. Eisan ([email protected])
> Subject: Solution for Mailbox Baseball
> Message 2 in threadFrom: Jon Endres ([email protected])
> Subject: Re: Solution for Mailbox Baseball
You HAD to bring this one up agin, din't ya? :)
Made us famous, it did.
Jon E
"wthlti" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
<snip>
How 'bout those Trailblazers?
SH
I think I would prefer plans for a reinforced concrete mail box with a thin
wood veneer on it.
--
Mike G.
[email protected]
Heirloom Woods
www.heirloom-woods.net
"Fly-by-Night CC" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Message 1 in threadFrom: David F. Eisan ([email protected])
> Subject: Solution for Mailbox Baseball
>
>
> View this article onlyNewsgroups: rec.woodworking
> Date: 2000/04/17
>
> Dear All,
>
> I was just looking through the latest Lee Valley May 2000 catalogue flyer
> and thought I would mention what is listed on the top left of page 24 as
> I
> can recall a few posts asking about how to defeat mailbox baseball
> players.
> The flyer shows a T type metal bracket for use with 4x4 lumber that
> allows
> the longer rail that holds the mail box to swivel up and away when
> struck.
>
> www.leevalley.com
>
> Thanks,
>
> David. (who has no affiliation with Lee Valley)
>
> Message 2 in threadFrom: Jon Endres ([email protected])
> Subject: Re: Solution for Mailbox Baseball
>
>
> View this article onlyNewsgroups: rec.woodworking
> Date: 2000/04/17
>
> David,
>
> Out here in the sticks, this kind of game is quite popular, and seems to
> have a loyal following among teenagers with old beater pickups and too
> much
> (illegally obtained) beer. One local homeowner defeated this, which
> caused
> one young man some damage a few years back.
>
> What he did, after suffering the loss of a rather well-decorated and
> nice-looking box, was to purchase two boxes, one very large and one quite
> small. He placed the small one inside the large one with spacers, so
> that
> you had to open the large one to get at the small one. Then he removed
> the
> door from the small one so the mailman didn't have to open two doors. He
> placed a large steel pipe in the ground with a flange on top to mount the
> boxes, one inside the other. He then filled the post and the space
> BETWEEN
> the two boxes with high strength concrete.
>
> Now, the local kids decided, what better way to have some fun than to
> wreck
> this guy's brand new 'oversize' box, nice big target. The poor bastard
> who
> was in the back of the truck swinging away, not only didn't do any
> damage to
> the box, he broke the wooden bat he was using, broke one wrist, and fell
> out
> of the truck at about 35 mph, suffering some road rash.
>
> Hope he learned his lesson.
>
> --
> Jon Endres, P.E.
> West Mountain Engineering Co.
> [email protected]
>
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