from my own observations i expect that there is a curve that fits to
lumens needed and eye age
hopefully lumens needed levels off and we do not take down the local
power grid turning on the lights
or we just cannot see enough to work wood and call it quits
this is where the talking shop tools come into play
am still thinking about the talking table saw fence and might not be
hard to do
i know there is a blind guy or gal that does wood working
On Monday, November 28, 2016 at 2:08:34 PM UTC-5, Casper wrote:
> > There are standards for Lumen levels depending on the business (banks
> > are quite high).
>
> IDK but seems unbalanced IMHO.
>
> >bright lights make people leave sooner
>
> I disagree, depending on the business.
>
> One of the first things I will comment on in a restaurant is the poor
> lighting. How the hell do you expect us to read a menu in the dark?
> Ergo... the flashlight on my phone comes out, I comment to the wait
> staff and or management, then I either leave or never return.
>
> My 2 Cents.
re: Restaurant lights
While I agree that reading a menu in low light can be an issue, I do like
the ambiance of *eating* in low light. For me, it keeps the outside world
out, even if that outside world is only a few feet away. The time spent
perusing the menu is probably shorter than every other "activity" involved
with a dinner out.
May I suggest these? Wearable and standable.
https://www.amazon.com/MyLight-HL000001-HUGlight-Hands-Free-Flexible/dp/B007R6NL3S
On Monday, November 28, 2016 at 4:26:15 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
> On 11/28/2016 1:37 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> > On Monday, November 28, 2016 at 2:08:34 PM UTC-5, Casper wrote:
> >>> There are standards for Lumen levels depending on the business (banks
> >>> are quite high).
> >>
> >> IDK but seems unbalanced IMHO.
> >>
> >>> bright lights make people leave sooner
> >>
> >> I disagree, depending on the business.
> >>
> >> One of the first things I will comment on in a restaurant is the poor
> >> lighting. How the hell do you expect us to read a menu in the dark?
> >> Ergo... the flashlight on my phone comes out, I comment to the wait
> >> staff and or management, then I either leave or never return.
> >>
> >> My 2 Cents.
> >
> > re: Restaurant lights
> >
> > While I agree that reading a menu in low light can be an issue, I do like
> > the ambiance of *eating* in low light. For me, it keeps the outside world
> > out, even if that outside world is only a few feet away. The time spent
> > perusing the menu is probably shorter than every other "activity" involved
> > with a dinner out.
> >
> > May I suggest these? Wearable and standable.
> >
> > https://www.amazon.com/MyLight-HL000001-HUGlight-Hands-Free-Flexible/dp/B007R6NL3S
> >
>
> The dim lighting in a restaurant tends to keep the noise level down too.
What?
> There are standards for Lumen levels depending on the business (banks
> are quite high).
IDK but seems unbalanced IMHO.
>bright lights make people leave sooner
I disagree, depending on the business.
One of the first things I will comment on in a restaurant is the poor
lighting. How the hell do you expect us to read a menu in the dark?
Ergo... the flashlight on my phone comes out, I comment to the wait
staff and or management, then I either leave or never return.
My 2 Cents.
On Monday, November 28, 2016 at 9:35:09 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 11/28/2016 7:00 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>
> >>>
> >>
> >> The dim lighting in a restaurant tends to keep the noise level down too.
> >
> > What?
> >
>
> Yes, when lighting is subdued, people tend to be more subdued too and
> talk a bit quieter.
What?
>
> Of course total darkness changes that. I hear peoplel screaming "oh
> god, oh god, don't stop"
SWMBO and I were walking the dog around dusk a few weeks ago. As we walked past
a house with open windows we heard a female voice. "Oh my God! Oh my God! Ohhhh
myyyy Goddddd!"
We figured she was getting in an early evening prayer.
On 11/28/2016 9:03 PM, krw wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Nov 2016 21:35:06 -0500, Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On 11/28/2016 7:00 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The dim lighting in a restaurant tends to keep the noise level down too.
>>>
>>> What?
>>>
>>
>> Yes, when lighting is subdued, people tend to be more subdued too and
>> talk a bit quieter.
>>
>> Of course total darkness changes that. I hear peoplel screaming "oh
>> god, oh god, don't stop"
>
> Different menu.
>
Yeah, they were already enjoying their choice off the desert menu.
On Sat, 26 Nov 2016 19:47:13 -0800, Electric Comet
<[email protected]> wrote:
>from my own observations i expect that there is a curve that fits to
>lumens needed and eye age
There is but it's probably not what you think it is. Generally, the
older you are the lower the range of focus (presbyopia). A more
intense light causes the pupil to constrict, which increases the depth
of field - you don't have to focus as closely/accurately/at-all to see
clearly. Of course, cataracts will cut down on the light entering the
eye, as well. AIUI, from cataract patients, modern cataract surgery
fixes both problems.
>
>
>hopefully lumens needed levels off and we do not take down the local
>power grid turning on the lights
>
>or we just cannot see enough to work wood and call it quits
>
>
>this is where the talking shop tools come into play
>
>
>am still thinking about the talking table saw fence and might not be
>hard to do
How about one of the Wixey digital fences? I have one and like it,
except the head has a lifespan of about a year. :-(
>
>
>i know there is a blind guy or gal that does wood working
"Stumpy"?
On Mon, 28 Nov 2016 21:35:06 -0500, Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 11/28/2016 7:00 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>
>>>>
>>>
>>> The dim lighting in a restaurant tends to keep the noise level down too.
>>
>> What?
>>
>
>Yes, when lighting is subdued, people tend to be more subdued too and
>talk a bit quieter.
>
>Of course total darkness changes that. I hear peoplel screaming "oh
>god, oh god, don't stop"
Different menu.
On Mon, 28 Nov 2016 15:26:05 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
>On 11/28/2016 1:37 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>> On Monday, November 28, 2016 at 2:08:34 PM UTC-5, Casper wrote:
>>>> There are standards for Lumen levels depending on the business (banks
>>>> are quite high).
>>>
>>> IDK but seems unbalanced IMHO.
>>>
>>>> bright lights make people leave sooner
>>>
>>> I disagree, depending on the business.
>>>
>>> One of the first things I will comment on in a restaurant is the poor
>>> lighting. How the hell do you expect us to read a menu in the dark?
>>> Ergo... the flashlight on my phone comes out, I comment to the wait
>>> staff and or management, then I either leave or never return.
>>>
>>> My 2 Cents.
>>
>> re: Restaurant lights
>>
>> While I agree that reading a menu in low light can be an issue, I do like
>> the ambiance of *eating* in low light. For me, it keeps the outside world
>> out, even if that outside world is only a few feet away. The time spent
>> perusing the menu is probably shorter than every other "activity" involved
>> with a dinner out.
>>
>> May I suggest these? Wearable and standable.
>>
>> https://www.amazon.com/MyLight-HL000001-HUGlight-Hands-Free-Flexible/dp/B007R6NL3S
>>
>
>The dim lighting in a restaurant tends to keep the noise level down too.
Right. Some restaurants are designed to be bright and loud to turn
tables. Others, for ambiance. The two models have a different
cost/price structure.
On 11/26/16 8:47 PM, Electric Comet wrote:
> from my own observations i expect that there is a curve that fits to
> lumens needed and eye age
A professor of mine used to do remodel consulting and he would comment
how many (commercial) customers would request more lighting. There are
standards for Lumen levels depending on the business (banks are quite
high). He said that more often than not. the lighting fixture density
was up to spec, it just was the tubes and light diffusers were very
dusty. I know when I clean my fixtures/bulbs every few years, the light
in the shop seems much brighter. Dust gets _everywhere_! You may not
want to hear it, but after a sanding session, I can use nose buggers as
spackle and get a perfect color match. 8^)
>
>
> hopefully lumens needed levels off and we do not take down the local
> power grid turning on the lights
>
> or we just cannot see enough to work wood and call it quits
I've "discovered" the concept of task lighting to help my eyes. Some
well placed spot lighting on the TS, router, and other saws really helps.
-BR
>
>
> this is where the talking shop tools come into play
>
>
> am still thinking about the talking table saw fence and might not be
> hard to do
>
>
> i know there is a blind guy or gal that does wood working
>
>
>
>
>
>
On Sun, 27 Nov 2016 08:50:23 -0700
Brewster <[email protected]> wrote:
> There are standards for Lumen levels depending on the business (banks
> are quite high). He said that more often than not. the lighting
bright lights make people leave sooner
> I've "discovered" the concept of task lighting to help my eyes. Some
> well placed spot lighting on the TS, router, and other saws really
yep do that too
still need to get a better one for the lathe though
On Mon, 28 Nov 2016 14:08:24 -0500
Casper <[email protected]> wrote:
> I disagree, depending on the business.
probably true and was thinking high volume eateries
they want them to eat and leave asap so another can come up to the
trough
bright lights makes people leave sooner
On 11/28/2016 7:00 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>>>
>>
>> The dim lighting in a restaurant tends to keep the noise level down too.
>
> What?
>
Yes, when lighting is subdued, people tend to be more subdued too and
talk a bit quieter.
Of course total darkness changes that. I hear peoplel screaming "oh
god, oh god, don't stop"
On 11/28/2016 1:37 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> On Monday, November 28, 2016 at 2:08:34 PM UTC-5, Casper wrote:
>>> There are standards for Lumen levels depending on the business (banks
>>> are quite high).
>>
>> IDK but seems unbalanced IMHO.
>>
>>> bright lights make people leave sooner
>>
>> I disagree, depending on the business.
>>
>> One of the first things I will comment on in a restaurant is the poor
>> lighting. How the hell do you expect us to read a menu in the dark?
>> Ergo... the flashlight on my phone comes out, I comment to the wait
>> staff and or management, then I either leave or never return.
>>
>> My 2 Cents.
>
> re: Restaurant lights
>
> While I agree that reading a menu in low light can be an issue, I do like
> the ambiance of *eating* in low light. For me, it keeps the outside world
> out, even if that outside world is only a few feet away. The time spent
> perusing the menu is probably shorter than every other "activity" involved
> with a dinner out.
>
> May I suggest these? Wearable and standable.
>
> https://www.amazon.com/MyLight-HL000001-HUGlight-Hands-Free-Flexible/dp/B007R6NL3S
>
The dim lighting in a restaurant tends to keep the noise level down too.