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"Bob Schmall"

09/12/2004 5:21 PM

An Ultimate Router Table

http://home.pacbell.net/jdismuk/routertable.html

This one is sweet.

Bob


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En

Eugene

in reply to "Bob Schmall" on 09/12/2004 5:21 PM

09/12/2004 9:48 PM

Greg O wrote:

>
> "Eugene" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> [email protected] wrote:
>>
>> > a stick welder or mig?
>> >
>> > just curious
>> >
>> > i've fiddled w/ a mig and in probably a few hours one could be pretty
>> > decent
>> >
>> > stick, i understand is a bit steeper learning curve
>> >
>> It took me about two days in high school shop class to get A's from a
>> very
>> picky teacher with a stick welder. If your born the 'dorking skills then
>> you should be able to pick up just about any 'dorking, be it wood, or
>> metal, or solder, or plastic, or duct tape.
>>
>
> If all you intend on welding is thin stock, say 1/4" at the max, one of
> those 120 volt portable mig welders is the way to go. Mig welding is
> sooooo much nicer than stck. I have a mig I bought 20 years ago, I don't
> own a stick welder, but have spent quite a few hours using both. The only
> draw back with a mig welder is you can get nice looking welds that do not
> penetrate, so mig does take some practice too. Also a mig does not weld
> dirty or painted metal well.
> Greg
I've been thinking of picking up one of those little 120v lincolns that the
borg's sell for a while now.

BS

"Bob Schmall"

in reply to "Bob Schmall" on 09/12/2004 5:21 PM

15/12/2004 11:06 AM


"Unisaw A100" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> http://home.pacbell.net/jdismuk/routertable.html
>
>>This one is sweet.
>
>
> Izn't that a microwave cart? At least it's not one of
> Norm's sewing cabinet/router table.

No, it's a rather nice router table. The fact that it doesn't weigh 400
pounds doesn't disqualify it.


n

in reply to "Bob Schmall" on 09/12/2004 5:21 PM

09/12/2004 2:20 PM

a stick welder or mig?

just curious

i've fiddled w/ a mig and in probably a few hours one could be pretty
decent

stick, i understand is a bit steeper learning curve

On Thu, 09 Dec 2004 15:50:49 -0500, Nova <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Phisherman wrote:
>
>> I wondered about the casters. My router table is big and heavy, but I
>> did put leveling nylon glide feet on it. There have been times I wish
>> I had the skills and equipment for welding.
>
>A 240V stick welder is not all that expensive and a little practice is all it
>takes.

GO

"Greg O"

in reply to "Bob Schmall" on 09/12/2004 5:21 PM

09/12/2004 7:10 PM


"Eugene" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> > a stick welder or mig?
> >
> > just curious
> >
> > i've fiddled w/ a mig and in probably a few hours one could be pretty
> > decent
> >
> > stick, i understand is a bit steeper learning curve
> >
> It took me about two days in high school shop class to get A's from a very
> picky teacher with a stick welder. If your born the 'dorking skills then
> you should be able to pick up just about any 'dorking, be it wood, or
> metal, or solder, or plastic, or duct tape.
>

If all you intend on welding is thin stock, say 1/4" at the max, one of
those 120 volt portable mig welders is the way to go. Mig welding is sooooo
much nicer than stck. I have a mig I bought 20 years ago, I don't own a
stick welder, but have spent quite a few hours using both. The only draw
back with a mig welder is you can get nice looking welds that do not
penetrate, so mig does take some practice too. Also a mig does not weld
dirty or painted metal well.
Greg

GO

"Greg O"

in reply to "Bob Schmall" on 09/12/2004 5:21 PM

09/12/2004 10:46 PM


"Eugene" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> > I've been thinking of picking up one of those little 120v lincolns that
the
> borg's sell for a while now.
>

We have a couple of them at work, we have the gas package on them instead of
shielded wire. Good little welders
Greg

SI

"Slowhand"

in reply to "Bob Schmall" on 09/12/2004 5:21 PM

15/12/2004 10:17 AM


"Bob Schmall" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Unisaw A100" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> http://home.pacbell.net/jdismuk/routertable.html
>>
>>>This one is sweet.
>>
>>
>> Izn't that a microwave cart? At least it's not one of
>> Norm's sewing cabinet/router table.
>
> No, it's a rather nice router table. The fact that it doesn't weigh 400
> pounds doesn't disqualify it.

Nobutt, the heavier, the more stable it is. I had my temporary router table
set up that probably weighed 40 lbs or so. My new shop built probably
weighs 150. On casters the sucker doesn't move a bit. Heavier is better in
this case imho ymmv.
SH

Js

"Jake"

in reply to "Bob Schmall" on 09/12/2004 5:21 PM

10/12/2004 1:16 PM

'Where did you get the leveling hardware?

Js

"Jake"

in reply to "Bob Schmall" on 09/12/2004 5:21 PM

13/12/2004 8:03 AM

Sorry, I wasn't clear enough. Where did you get the leveling
thumbscrews?

NE

"Never Enough Money"

in reply to "Bob Schmall" on 09/12/2004 5:21 PM

14/12/2004 5:14 PM

Showed a friend of mine the table (actually the URL) and he said...

A couple things I'd do differently.....

1) No casters if possible. I've had a router table start sliding
around on me more than once before during an operation.... it REALLY
sucks. (yes mobility is nice for small shops though....)
2) I'd nuke the drawers or move them to the left so that the downdraft
port could go all the way under the carriage, even with the Incra Jig
all the way "back". What's the point of built-in dust collection if it
only works through 1/2 the range of your jig?.

3) widen the "right" side of the table so that Jig carriage isn't
hanging a foot off the edge of the table.... It's just begging to have
someone walk into it or have an 8' plank of hard maple fall on it and
trash your $200 jig (or does that sort of thing only happen in MY
shop?). AT LEAST do something about the fine-adjustment knob which is
just begging to snag on somebody's ribs.

4) I like how he did the split-fence thing, but that won't work with
the right angle jig that (I thought) comes with the fence.
Otherwise it's pretty whammy.

Nn

Nova

in reply to "Bob Schmall" on 09/12/2004 5:21 PM

09/12/2004 3:50 PM

Phisherman wrote:

> I wondered about the casters. My router table is big and heavy, but I
> did put leveling nylon glide feet on it. There have been times I wish
> I had the skills and equipment for welding.

A 240V stick welder is not all that expensive and a little practice is all it
takes.

--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA
(Remove "SPAM" from email address to reply)

Nn

Nova

in reply to "Bob Schmall" on 09/12/2004 5:21 PM

09/12/2004 8:44 PM

[email protected] wrote:

> a stick welder or mig?
>
> just curious
>
> i've fiddled w/ a mig and in probably a few hours one could be pretty
> decent
>
> stick, i understand is a bit steeper learning curve

Stick welder.

I took a short welding course in high school over 35 years ago as part of a
refrigeration course (I remember striking the arc too low and welding an air
conditioning motor to the welding bench, but that's another story) and hadn't
touched a welder until a couple of years ago. A 15 minute "crash course" from a
friend and a couple of afternoons of practice... They might not be the prettiest
welds but they're strong.

--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA
(Remove "SPAM" from email address to reply)

Td

"TeamCasa"

in reply to "Bob Schmall" on 09/12/2004 5:21 PM

09/12/2004 1:43 PM

Bob, The router table looks very well done. Something only
welder/woodworker is capable of!

I like your idea of mounting the 130XP on top of the 180SD. I have the 210
and a 135 and love to use both. The 180 is on my, "Honey, in order to do
this I have to buy a different welder" list. Just waiting for the project!

Dave


"Bob Schmall" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:tQ%[email protected]...
> http://home.pacbell.net/jdismuk/routertable.html
>
> This one is sweet.
>
> Bob
>

Br

Ba r r y

in reply to "Bob Schmall" on 09/12/2004 5:21 PM

09/12/2004 10:12 PM

On Thu, 09 Dec 2004 17:21:29 GMT, "Bob Schmall" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>http://home.pacbell.net/jdismuk/routertable.html
>
>This one is sweet.


That's in my top 2, with Unisaw's.

Nice!

Barry

LM

"Lee Michaels"

in reply to "Bob Schmall" on 09/12/2004 5:21 PM

09/12/2004 12:37 PM


"Bob Schmall" <[email protected]> wrote

> http://home.pacbell.net/jdismuk/routertable.html
>
> This one is sweet.
>
Looks nice.

But it is entirely to clean and purty to have ever been used. I assume that
this router table is still a virgin, right?

Just how stable is this going to be on those casters??


PB

Pat Barber

in reply to "Bob Schmall" on 09/12/2004 5:21 PM

13/12/2004 4:19 PM

It wasn't me Jake... but you can get those leveling
do-hickeys at these folks:

http://www.woodhaven.com/SearchResult.aspx?KeyWords=leveler

Jake wrote:

> Sorry, I wasn't clear enough. Where did you get the leveling
> thumbscrews?
>

BS

"Bob Schmall"

in reply to "Bob Schmall" on 09/12/2004 5:21 PM

14/12/2004 2:58 PM


"Jake" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Sorry, I wasn't clear enough. Where did you get the leveling
> thumbscrews?

Jake:
I didn't build the table, just provided the link. If the thumbscrews you
mean are those that level the router plate with the top of the table, then
you should find them at any reasonably well-equipped hardware store. BUT,
ping the site in the OP and get the builder's take on it.

Bob

En

Eugene

in reply to "Bob Schmall" on 09/12/2004 5:21 PM

09/12/2004 7:04 PM

[email protected] wrote:

> a stick welder or mig?
>
> just curious
>
> i've fiddled w/ a mig and in probably a few hours one could be pretty
> decent
>
> stick, i understand is a bit steeper learning curve
>
It took me about two days in high school shop class to get A's from a very
picky teacher with a stick welder. If your born the 'dorking skills then
you should be able to pick up just about any 'dorking, be it wood, or
metal, or solder, or plastic, or duct tape.

PB

Pat Barber

in reply to "Bob Schmall" on 09/12/2004 5:21 PM

13/12/2004 3:49 PM

I believe he thinks you built that snazzy table on
the link you posted last week.


Bob Schmall wrote:

> "Jake" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>'Where did you get the leveling hardware?

UA

Unisaw A100

in reply to "Bob Schmall" on 09/12/2004 5:21 PM

15/12/2004 11:22 PM

Bob Schmall wrote:
>No, it's a rather nice router table. The fact that it doesn't weigh 400
>pounds doesn't disqualify it.

So no points for the nice thing I said about it?

UA100, who does think there should be at least one point for
the nice thing he said about it...

BS

"Bob Schmall"

in reply to "Bob Schmall" on 09/12/2004 5:21 PM

09/12/2004 8:47 PM


"Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*nadaspam*@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Bob Schmall" <[email protected]> wrote
>
>> http://home.pacbell.net/jdismuk/routertable.html
>>
>> This one is sweet.
>>
> Looks nice.
>
> But it is entirely to clean and purty to have ever been used. I assume
> that
> this router table is still a virgin, right?
>
> Just how stable is this going to be on those casters??

Lee:
Quite stable. I have similar casters on mine and they do very well on a
smooth, level floor.

Bob
>
>
>

n

in reply to "Bob Schmall" on 09/12/2004 5:21 PM

10/12/2004 12:31 PM

Hmm...

soooooo.. maybe Santa would still get my letter if I sent it today?

would I be tossing about my $s (ahh, Santa's) if I requested one of
those Habor Freight models?

They have stick welders for like $99

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=2665

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=4028

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=42328

On Thu, 09 Dec 2004 20:44:06 -0500, Nova <[email protected]>
wrote:

>[email protected] wrote:
>
>> a stick welder or mig?
>>
>> just curious
>>
>> i've fiddled w/ a mig and in probably a few hours one could be pretty
>> decent
>>
>> stick, i understand is a bit steeper learning curve
>
>Stick welder.
>
>I took a short welding course in high school over 35 years ago as part of a
>refrigeration course (I remember striking the arc too low and welding an air
>conditioning motor to the welding bench, but that's another story) and hadn't
>touched a welder until a couple of years ago. A 15 minute "crash course" from a
>friend and a couple of afternoons of practice... They might not be the prettiest
>welds but they're strong.

BS

"Bob Schmall"

in reply to "Bob Schmall" on 09/12/2004 5:21 PM

10/12/2004 4:27 PM


"Jake" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> 'Where did you get the leveling hardware?

Huh--you talkin' to me?
The top of a router table doesn't have to be perfectly level--if by "level"
you mean parallel to the floor. It just has to be flat. Guess I don't
unnerstan' the question.

Bob.

Rb

Renata

in reply to "Bob Schmall" on 09/12/2004 5:21 PM

15/12/2004 8:53 AM

Nicew table, nice workmanship. But...

One thing I'd do differently is try not to pull the dust down but up,
on the notion that the less dust going down into the router the
better. I realize some is going to get down there (and you prolly
want to vacuum it out, but I'd rather not add encouragement toward
that end. fence has the dust port sucking it upward and out.

Renata

On Thu, 09 Dec 2004 17:21:29 GMT, "Bob Schmall" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>http://home.pacbell.net/jdismuk/routertable.html
>
>This one is sweet.
>
>Bob
>

UA

Unisaw A100

in reply to "Bob Schmall" on 09/12/2004 5:21 PM

15/12/2004 12:54 AM

http://home.pacbell.net/jdismuk/routertable.html

>This one is sweet.


Izn't that a microwave cart? At least it's not one of
Norm's sewing cabinet/router table.

UA100

JD

John DeBoo

in reply to "Bob Schmall" on 09/12/2004 5:21 PM

09/12/2004 4:28 PM

I thought it was a 'nuker' at first for the kitchen.

Bob Schmall wrote:

> http://home.pacbell.net/jdismuk/routertable.html
>
> This one is sweet.
>
> Bob
>
>

Pn

Phisherman

in reply to "Bob Schmall" on 09/12/2004 5:21 PM

09/12/2004 6:21 PM

On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 12:37:43 -0500, "Lee Michaels"
<leemichaels*nadaspam*@comcast.net> wrote:

>
>"Bob Schmall" <[email protected]> wrote
>
>> http://home.pacbell.net/jdismuk/routertable.html
>>
>> This one is sweet.
>>
>Looks nice.
>
>But it is entirely to clean and purty to have ever been used. I assume that
>this router table is still a virgin, right?
>
>Just how stable is this going to be on those casters??
>

I wondered about the casters. My router table is big and heavy, but I
did put leveling nylon glide feet on it. There have been times I wish
I had the skills and equipment for welding.

n

in reply to "Bob Schmall" on 09/12/2004 5:21 PM

09/12/2004 11:40 AM

I've went to his website before.

He does some nice work; ever since then I've been eyeing a welder ;-)
A nice mix of metal and wood working.

The step by step pictures/explanations are great; better than most
publications.

ON

Old Nick

in reply to "Bob Schmall" on 09/12/2004 5:21 PM

14/12/2004 11:22 AM

On 13 Dec 2004 08:03:10 -0800, "Jake" <[email protected]> vaguely
proposed a theory
......and in reply I say!:

remove ns from my header address to reply via email

What they're all trying to say is that the OP did not actually build
the table. He simply posted a link.

>Sorry, I wasn't clear enough. Where did you get the leveling
>thumbscrews?

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Only worry about the things you can control.

Then you have stuff all to worry about!


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