See if this works any better. The first time I tried it I got the same
"page cannot..." message too. I just completed the incomplete URL in the
address line by putting an "l" at the end and it seemed to work.
http://video1.washingtontimes.com/fishwrap/2008/02/bob_geldof_in_rwanda.html
"Charlie Self" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:1611bbc5-613d-4aae-a42c-3afc6af6c736@u69g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 20, 3:27 am, Smaug Ichorfang <[email protected]> wrote:
>> As much as I hate politics in a non-politics newsgroup, I feel this
>> deserves mention because the guy gets *so* much bad press he doesn't
>> deserve. Please
>> see:http://video1.washingtontimes.com/fishwrap/2008/02/bob_geldof_in_rwan...
>> l
>> Sorry...that wraps poorly as do many long urls. It's not a video file as
>> the name might imply.
>
> No matter what I do to it, I get a Page Cannot Be Found.
On Feb 20, 3:27 am, Smaug Ichorfang <[email protected]> wrote:
> As much as I hate politics in a non-politics newsgroup, I feel this
> deserves mention because the guy gets *so* much bad press he doesn't
> deserve. Please see:http://video1.washingtontimes.com/fishwrap/2008/02/bob_geldof_in_rwan...
> l
> Sorry...that wraps poorly as do many long urls. It's not a video file as
> the name might imply.
No matter what I do to it, I get a Page Cannot Be Found.
Robatoy wrote:
> On Feb 19, 11:15 am, DS <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Robatoy wrote:
>>> On Feb 19, 10:15 am, DS <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> Robatoy wrote:
>>>>> http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/mccain_bush_hug.jpg
>>>> So we're given the choice now of four more years of the same old thing,
>>>> or four years of someone dedicated to the forced redistribution of
>>>> wealth, or someone dedicated to Africa AND the forced redistribution of
>>>> wealth.
>>>> Wish we had a reset button. I'd like both parties to just say "oops, we
>>>> didn't mean to do THIS", and start the nominations all over again.
>>> Dedicated to Africa??? WHO is in Africa right now?
>> There being as much misinformation as there is about Sen. Obama's
>> religious affiliations, you can clear that up for yourself by visiting
>> the web site of his church.
>> One of the churches basic tenets (number 4 of their 10 point vision
>> statement) is "non-negotiable committment to Africa".
>>
> It is about time somebody made a difference over there. A lot of the
> world's riches are over there, currently dominated by thugs.... and
> I'm including DeBeers. To stop genocide is a good thing, I think.
> And of course all the free sand. (I joke.)
Perhaps I'm a bit jaded. I think that if we've (US and others) learned
anything from trying to be global police, (and we SHOULD have learned
SOMETHING by now) it's that we can't make other societies act as we
would have them.
For the most part, African nations have the governments that the people
of those nations put into power. Yet they're surprised when the latest
military rebel commander turned president turns out to be another despot
with little interest allowing his people to feed and care for themselves.
I'd love to see things change in Africa too. Such a rich and beautiful
continent, yet the fighting and greed based mainly on tribal and
religious differences make it all but impossible for many people to live
a decent life.
I just don't think that real change comes from without. Africa has the
human and natural resources available to lift themselves out of this pit
and become a group of first world nations.
We can't make them do it.
> Fighting AIDS and malaria are noble things too.
Agreed. Neither of which require a foreign presence in Africa. There are
many African medical professionals capable of inoculating and educating
their fellow people.
And there is a lot of financial aid and medical expertise being donated.
Where does it go?
> Besides, we need all the rare and precious metals. And some yellow
> cake from Nigeria.
>
> You know what's funny about this? When my church in The Netherlands,
> along with the Catholic Churches world-wide sent missionaries into the
> jungles of Africa, it was a good thing.
Exporting one's religion to another culture is just the church serving
itself. It does nothing to help the converted.
"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:fbf8e830-71bc-434f-afbf-c1beaeb6f92e@s19g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
> http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/mccain_bush_hug.jpg
Agree and I don't like the other choices either. I think I'll cast my vote
for "more Scotch....", wash up the old fatigues, clean the iron and "damn
the torpedoes".
BobS.
"Charlie Self" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Feb 19, 2:24 pm, DS <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Robatoy wrote:
>> > On Feb 19, 11:15 am, DS <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> Robatoy wrote:
>> >>> On Feb 19, 10:15 am, DS <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >>>> Robatoy wrote:
>> >>>>>http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/mccain_bush_hug.jpg
>> >>>> So we're given the choice now of four more years of the same old
>> >>>> thing,
>> >>>> or four years of someone dedicated to the forced redistribution of
>> >>>> wealth, or someone dedicated to Africa AND the forced redistribution
>> >>>> of
>> >>>> wealth.
>> >>>> Wish we had a reset button. I'd like both parties to just say "oops,
>> >>>> we
>> >>>> didn't mean to do THIS", and start the nominations all over again.
>> >>> Dedicated to Africa??? WHO is in Africa right now?
>> >> There being as much misinformation as there is about Sen. Obama's
>> >> religious affiliations, you can clear that up for yourself by visiting
>> >> the web site of his church.
>> >> One of the churches basic tenets (number 4 of their 10 point vision
>> >> statement) is "non-negotiable committment to Africa".
>>
>> > It is about time somebody made a difference over there. A lot of the
>> > world's riches are over there, currently dominated by thugs.... and
>> > I'm including DeBeers. To stop genocide is a good thing, I think.
>> > And of course all the free sand. (I joke.)
>>
>> Perhaps I'm a bit jaded. I think that if we've (US and others) learned
>> anything from trying to be global police, (and we SHOULD have learned
>> SOMETHING by now) it's that we can't make other societies act as we
>> would have them.
>> For the most part, African nations have the governments that the people
>> of those nations put into power. Yet they're surprised when the latest
>> military rebel commander turned president turns out to be another despot
>> with little interest allowing his people to feed and care for themselves.
>>
>> I'd love to see things change in Africa too. Such a rich and beautiful
>> continent, yet the fighting and greed based mainly on tribal and
>> religious differences make it all but impossible for many people to live
>> a decent life.
>> I just don't think that real change comes from without. Africa has the
>> human and natural resources available to lift themselves out of this pit
>> and become a group of first world nations.
>> We can't make them do it.
>>
>> > Fighting AIDS and malaria are noble things too.
>>
>> Agreed. Neither of which require a foreign presence in Africa. There are
>> many African medical professionals capable of inoculating and educating
>> their fellow people.
>> And there is a lot of financial aid and medical expertise being donated.
>> Where does it go?
>>
>> > Besides, we need all the rare and precious metals. And some yellow
>> > cake from Nigeria.
>>
>> > You know what's funny about this? When my church in The Netherlands,
>> > along with the Catholic Churches world-wide sent missionaries into the
>> > jungles of Africa, it was a good thing.
>>
>> Exporting one's religion to another culture is just the church serving
>> itself. It does nothing to help the converted.
>
> I think there's a lot more wrong in Africa than we'll ever list, never
> mind cure, on this site. But I do tend to agree with most of what you
> say. God knows, Bush's export of what he calls democracy to the Middle
> East has been a bust that should have been expected, given the
> region's history. Now, the guy is trying to pump his legacy into
> positive figures by going to Africa and declaring its need for
> democracy.
>
> I wonder how many millions of bucks his useless little trip cost U.S.
> taxpayers? Or the trips the rest of the politicos take around the
> world to view problems that are thoroughly covered on-line, on TV, and
> in the papers and news magazines, not tomention in various CIA and
> other intelligence reports. Rough guess: those useless trips cost
> almost as much as all the extra holidays various government employees
> get.
No place for a write in vote anymore either.
On Feb 20, 9:55 am, Charlie Self <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> ...
>
> The Bush admin is pissed at the press? That is
> amusing coming from the adminstration most manipulative of information
> release in history.
Come to think of it, has anyone ever seen Baghdad Bob and
Scott McClellan in the same room at the same time?
--
FF
On Feb 19, 10:15=A0am, DS <[email protected]> wrote:
> Robatoy wrote:
> >http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/mccain_bush_hug.jpg
>
> So we're given the choice now of four more years of the same old thing,
> or four years of someone dedicated to the forced redistribution of
> wealth, or someone dedicated to Africa AND the forced redistribution of
> wealth.
>
> Wish we had a reset button. I'd like both parties to just say "oops, we
> didn't mean to do THIS", and start the nominations all over again.
Dedicated to Africa??? WHO is in Africa right now?
On Feb 19, 2:24 pm, DS <[email protected]> wrote:
> Robatoy wrote:
> > On Feb 19, 11:15 am, DS <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> Robatoy wrote:
> >>> On Feb 19, 10:15 am, DS <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>> Robatoy wrote:
> >>>>>http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/mccain_bush_hug.jpg
> >>>> So we're given the choice now of four more years of the same old thing,
> >>>> or four years of someone dedicated to the forced redistribution of
> >>>> wealth, or someone dedicated to Africa AND the forced redistribution of
> >>>> wealth.
> >>>> Wish we had a reset button. I'd like both parties to just say "oops, we
> >>>> didn't mean to do THIS", and start the nominations all over again.
> >>> Dedicated to Africa??? WHO is in Africa right now?
> >> There being as much misinformation as there is about Sen. Obama's
> >> religious affiliations, you can clear that up for yourself by visiting
> >> the web site of his church.
> >> One of the churches basic tenets (number 4 of their 10 point vision
> >> statement) is "non-negotiable committment to Africa".
>
> > It is about time somebody made a difference over there. A lot of the
> > world's riches are over there, currently dominated by thugs.... and
> > I'm including DeBeers. To stop genocide is a good thing, I think.
> > And of course all the free sand. (I joke.)
>
> Perhaps I'm a bit jaded. I think that if we've (US and others) learned
> anything from trying to be global police, (and we SHOULD have learned
> SOMETHING by now) it's that we can't make other societies act as we
> would have them.
> For the most part, African nations have the governments that the people
> of those nations put into power. Yet they're surprised when the latest
> military rebel commander turned president turns out to be another despot
> with little interest allowing his people to feed and care for themselves.
>
> I'd love to see things change in Africa too. Such a rich and beautiful
> continent, yet the fighting and greed based mainly on tribal and
> religious differences make it all but impossible for many people to live
> a decent life.
> I just don't think that real change comes from without. Africa has the
> human and natural resources available to lift themselves out of this pit
> and become a group of first world nations.
> We can't make them do it.
>
> > Fighting AIDS and malaria are noble things too.
>
> Agreed. Neither of which require a foreign presence in Africa. There are
> many African medical professionals capable of inoculating and educating
> their fellow people.
> And there is a lot of financial aid and medical expertise being donated.
> Where does it go?
>
> > Besides, we need all the rare and precious metals. And some yellow
> > cake from Nigeria.
>
> > You know what's funny about this? When my church in The Netherlands,
> > along with the Catholic Churches world-wide sent missionaries into the
> > jungles of Africa, it was a good thing.
>
> Exporting one's religion to another culture is just the church serving
> itself. It does nothing to help the converted.
I think there's a lot more wrong in Africa than we'll ever list, never
mind cure, on this site. But I do tend to agree with most of what you
say. God knows, Bush's export of what he calls democracy to the Middle
East has been a bust that should have been expected, given the
region's history. Now, the guy is trying to pump his legacy into
positive figures by going to Africa and declaring its need for
democracy.
I wonder how many millions of bucks his useless little trip cost U.S.
taxpayers? Or the trips the rest of the politicos take around the
world to view problems that are thoroughly covered on-line, on TV, and
in the papers and news magazines, not tomention in various CIA and
other intelligence reports. Rough guess: those useless trips cost
almost as much as all the extra holidays various government employees
get.
Robatoy wrote:
> http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/mccain_bush_hug.jpg
So we're given the choice now of four more years of the same old thing,
or four years of someone dedicated to the forced redistribution of
wealth, or someone dedicated to Africa AND the forced redistribution of
wealth.
Wish we had a reset button. I'd like both parties to just say "oops, we
didn't mean to do THIS", and start the nominations all over again.
As much as I hate politics in a non-politics newsgroup, I feel this
deserves mention because the guy gets *so* much bad press he doesn't
deserve. Please see:
http://video1.washingtontimes.com/fishwrap/2008/02/bob_geldof_in_rwanda.htm
l
Sorry...that wraps poorly as do many long urls. It's not a video file as
the name might imply.
On Feb 20, 7:23 am, "Doug Brown" <[email protected]> wrote:
> See if this works any better. The first time I tried it I got the same
> "page cannot..." message too. I just completed the incomplete URL in the
> address line by putting an "l" at the end and it seemed to work.
>
> http://video1.washingtontimes.com/fishwrap/2008/02/bob_geldof_in_rwan..."Charlie Self" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:1611bbc5-613d-4aae-a42c-3afc6af6c736@u69g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>
> > On Feb 20, 3:27 am, Smaug Ichorfang <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> As much as I hate politics in a non-politics newsgroup, I feel this
> >> deserves mention because the guy gets *so* much bad press he doesn't
> >> deserve. Please
> >> see:http://video1.washingtontimes.com/fishwrap/2008/02/bob_geldof_in_rwan...
> >> l
> >> Sorry...that wraps poorly as do many long urls. It's not a video file as
> >> the name might imply.
>
> > No matter what I do to it, I get a Page Cannot Be Found.
Quite probably he deserves good press for what he's doing in Africa,
but, let's face it, both the budget and his attention devoted to that
cause are peripheral to his other deeds in scope. I'm delighted to
find he's not quite the total asshole I thought he was, though it is
truly odd how the press gets blamed for the info release policies of
his adminstration. The Bush admin is pissed at the press? That is
amusing coming from the adminstration most manipulative of information
release in history.
On Feb 19, 11:15=A0am, DS <[email protected]> wrote:
> Robatoy wrote:
> > On Feb 19, 10:15 am, DS <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> Robatoy wrote:
> >>>http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/mccain_bush_hug.jpg
> >> So we're given the choice now of four more years of the same old thing,=
> >> or four years of someone dedicated to the forced redistribution of
> >> wealth, or someone dedicated to Africa AND the forced redistribution of=
> >> wealth.
>
> >> Wish we had a reset button. I'd like both parties to just say "oops, we=
> >> didn't mean to do THIS", and start the nominations all over again.
>
> > Dedicated to Africa??? WHO is in Africa right now?
>
> There being as much misinformation as there is about Sen. Obama's
> religious affiliations, you can clear that up for yourself by visiting
> the web site of his church.
> One of the churches basic tenets (number 4 of their 10 point vision
> statement) is "non-negotiable committment to Africa".
>
It is about time somebody made a difference over there. A lot of the
world's riches are over there, currently dominated by thugs.... and
I'm including DeBeers. To stop genocide is a good thing, I think.
And of course all the free sand. (I joke.)
Fighting AIDS and malaria are noble things too.
Besides, we need all the rare and precious metals. And some yellow
cake from Nigeria.
You know what's funny about this? When my church in The Netherlands,
along with the Catholic Churches world-wide sent missionaries into the
jungles of Africa, it was a good thing.
=2E
=2E
but I digress.
>
> Not much on this site to appeal to a non-racist, non-black person.
DS wrote:
> Robatoy wrote:
>> On Feb 19, 11:15 am, DS <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> Robatoy wrote:
>>>> On Feb 19, 10:15 am, DS <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> Robatoy wrote:
>>>>>> http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/mccain_bush_hug.jpg
>>>>> So we're given the choice now of four more years of the same old
>>>>> thing,
>>>>> or four years of someone dedicated to the forced redistribution of
>>>>> wealth, or someone dedicated to Africa AND the forced
>>>>> redistribution of
>>>>> wealth.
>>>>> Wish we had a reset button. I'd like both parties to just say
>>>>> "oops, we
>>>>> didn't mean to do THIS", and start the nominations all over again.
>>>> Dedicated to Africa??? WHO is in Africa right now?
>>> There being as much misinformation as there is about Sen. Obama's
>>> religious affiliations, you can clear that up for yourself by visiting
>>> the web site of his church.
>>> One of the churches basic tenets (number 4 of their 10 point vision
>>> statement) is "non-negotiable committment to Africa".
>>>
>> It is about time somebody made a difference over there. A lot of the
>> world's riches are over there, currently dominated by thugs.... and
>> I'm including DeBeers. To stop genocide is a good thing, I think.
>> And of course all the free sand. (I joke.)
>
> Perhaps I'm a bit jaded. I think that if we've (US and others) learned
> anything from trying to be global police, (and we SHOULD have learned
> SOMETHING by now) it's that we can't make other societies act as we
> would have them.
> For the most part, African nations have the governments that the people
> of those nations put into power. Yet they're surprised when the latest
> military rebel commander turned president turns out to be another despot
> with little interest allowing his people to feed and care for themselves.
>
> I'd love to see things change in Africa too. Such a rich and beautiful
> continent, yet the fighting and greed based mainly on tribal and
> religious differences make it all but impossible for many people to live
> a decent life.
> I just don't think that real change comes from without. Africa has the
> human and natural resources available to lift themselves out of this pit
> and become a group of first world nations.
> We can't make them do it.
>
> > Fighting AIDS and malaria are noble things too.
>
> Agreed. Neither of which require a foreign presence in Africa. There are
> many African medical professionals capable of inoculating and educating
> their fellow people.
> And there is a lot of financial aid and medical expertise being donated.
> Where does it go?
>
>> Besides, we need all the rare and precious metals. And some yellow
>> cake from Nigeria.
>>
>> You know what's funny about this? When my church in The Netherlands,
>> along with the Catholic Churches world-wide sent missionaries into the
>> jungles of Africa, it was a good thing.
>
> Exporting one's religion to another culture is just the church serving
> itself. It does nothing to help the converted.
>
I think, for the most part, I agree with
that last statement. However, I don't
know what the balance was in the long
run of missionary work in the 18th and
19th centuries and even into the 20th. I
know that some good work was done by
selfless individuals, but I also believe
that there was a strong motivation from
the Mother Ship to evangelize the
"heathens" which in itself, wasn't
necessarily a great stroke for mankind.
Even here in Canada, there is still bad
press towards both the Catholic and
Anglican churches for their local
missionary work in the North.
Other than Satanism, I'm not sure that
there is a "bad" religion, just ones
that are different from what we're
accustomed to. That seems to really
bring out the worst in some folks.
--
Tanus
www.home.mycybernet.net/~waugh/shop/
Robatoy wrote:
> On Feb 19, 10:15 am, DS <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Robatoy wrote:
>>> http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/mccain_bush_hug.jpg
>> So we're given the choice now of four more years of the same old thing,
>> or four years of someone dedicated to the forced redistribution of
>> wealth, or someone dedicated to Africa AND the forced redistribution of
>> wealth.
>>
>> Wish we had a reset button. I'd like both parties to just say "oops, we
>> didn't mean to do THIS", and start the nominations all over again.
>
> Dedicated to Africa??? WHO is in Africa right now?
There being as much misinformation as there is about Sen. Obama's
religious affiliations, you can clear that up for yourself by visiting
the web site of his church.
One of the churches basic tenets (number 4 of their 10 point vision
statement) is "non-negotiable committment to Africa".
They state that they're committed to adoration, salvation, biblical
education, cultural education, historical education of african people in
diaspora [sic], liberation, and restoration. They're also preaching
salvation, and working towards economic parity.
However Africa is the only one that they state a "non-negotiable"
committment to.
There's no mention of the United States.
The only people they're specifically concerned about in their mission
statement and the rest of the site are those of african descent.
Not much on this site to appeal to a non-racist, non-black person.