So if you are making a brand list you have to include a few other
folks.
Makita Porter Cable Bosch Dewalt - Probably in this order. These 3
depend on the particular item as all make good tools
Black and Decker, Ryobi definitely low end. But I know folks who have
had a good experience.
Craftsman is a rogue - Sometimes good often not so much it depends on
who their manufacturer is, for instance I believe Bosch is making their
high end routers right now.
W
That's hard do do. Some manufactures do better at certain tools. For
example, the Bosch jigsaws are better than Porter-Cable's (IMO) but the
Porter-Cable routers are better than Bosch's.
Milwalkee makes some fine tools, too.
Festool makes really nice stuff but whatever it is, you could buy two
of the next best brand for the same costs.
Poster IBM5081 has a pretty good list (below). He left out Festool. I'd
rank Porter-Cable and Milwaukee a little higher.
However, I think the ranking should be on a tool by tool basis.
Tue, Jan 18, 2005, 7:38pm (EST-3) [email protected]
(Never=A0Enough=A0Money) posts:
JOAT (indicating to whom I'm replying a second time),
Why can't you view the post in such a way as to see which post are
replies to which other post? I've just simply not seen anything so
primitive that it doesn't show that.
I'm currently using google groups but have used several other newgroup
viewers.
I've got a WebTV. Now you've seen something that primative.
JOAT
Charity ain't giving people what you wants to give, it's giving people
what they need to get.
- Albert
Mon, Jan 17, 2005, 4:31pm (EST-3) [email protected]
(Never=A0Enough=A0Money) says:
In google I can see the tree of responses so it's obvious I was replying
to Unisaw A100 on his Makita. Sorry. Didn't realize everybody doesn't
see the reply tree.
You can tell who I'm replying to, because I included that. Who you
replying to? I can't tell.
JOAT
Charity ain't giving people what you wants to give, it's giving people
what they need to get.
- Albert
J T wrote:
> Mon, Jan 17, 2005, 4:31pm (EST-3) [email protected]
> (Never Enough Money) says:
> In google I can see the tree of responses so it's obvious I was replying
> to Unisaw A100 on his Makita. Sorry. Didn't realize everybody doesn't
> see the reply tree.
>
> You can tell who I'm replying to, because I included that. Who you
> replying to? I can't tell.
>
Yes, but your editor does not include an indicator to denote what portion is
the quoted text and what text you've added. It sometimes makes things
difficult to determine who wrote what.
--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA
(Remove "SPAM" from email address to reply)
Tue, Jan 18, 2005, 7:08pm [email protected] (Nova) says:
Yes, but your editor does not include an indicator to denote what
portion is the quoted text and what text you've added. It sometimes
makes things difficult to determine who wrote what.
Well, I always indicate who's post I'm quoting, I never indent
quoted material, and, I do indent my text. Plus I always leave a space
between the two.
Best I can do.
JOAT
Charity ain't giving people what you wants to give, it's giving people
what they need to get.
- Albert
On 18 Jan 2005 19:38:08 -0800, "Never Enough Money" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>JOAT (indicating to whom I'm replying a second time),
>
>Why can't you view the post in such a way as to see which post are
>replies to which other post? I've just simply not seen anything so
>primitive that it doesn't show that.
>
>I'm currently using google groups but have used several other newgroup
>viewers.
Most of us have threading turned on, but also show only unread posts. If
we read a thread and postings prior to your reply, we subsequently only see
new postings and your reply appears completely context-free. Sure, one
could view all posts, read and unread in a thread, but that becomes a
jumbled, huge mess given the number of postings this group gets.
If your post appears in a thread prior to our having browsed the group,
then, yes, your post appears in the proper context. But you can't assume
that such a condition will always happen -- there are going to be many
people who will have read the post to which you reply prior to you having
seen and replied to that post.
I've never seen a newsreader with such a primitive interface that
it does not include the text from the post to which the person is replying
in the reply. To strip out all of the context actually requires more
effort than leaving some context within the post.
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Thu, Jan 13, 2005, 4:57pm [email protected] (dadada)
<snip> rank the following tool makers <snip>
Craftsman is NOT a tool manufacturer. One of you guys should have
caught that. Sears slaps the Craftsman name on various things they
sell, from various manufacturers.
JOAT
Charity ain't giving people what you wants to give, it's giving people
what they need to get.
- Albert
Never Enough Money wrote:
>
> That's hard do do. ...
Amen, and everybody has their own favorites although there will be some
coherence...
> However, I think the ranking should be on a tool by tool basis.
Or at <least> on a stationary vs portable for those that do both or to
ease the confusion on the rankings for the ones that don't...
But, to a certain extent, it's a religious question... :)
J T wrote:
>
> Thu, Jan 13, 2005, 4:57pm [email protected] (dadada)
> <snip> rank the following tool makers <snip>
>
> Craftsman is NOT a tool manufacturer. One of you guys should have
> caught that. Sears slaps the Craftsman name on various things they
> sell, from various manufacturers.
>
Well, I think it's so obvious nobody even considers it a question...
Mon, Jan 17, 2005, 9:58am (EST-1) [email protected]
(Duane=A0Bozarth) claims:
Well, I think it's so obvious nobody even considers it a question...
What's obvious to me is, the original posted included Craftsman in
his list of tool makers, and so did several other people.
JOAT
Charity ain't giving people what you wants to give, it's giving people
what they need to get.
- Albert
On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 12:48:49 -0500, [email protected] (J T) wrote:
>Mon, Jan 17, 2005, 9:58am (EST-1) [email protected]
>(Duane Bozarth) claims:
>Well, I think it's so obvious nobody even considers it a question...
>
> What's obvious to me is, the original posted included Craftsman in
>his list of tool makers, and so did several other people.
>
Craftsman tools are spec'd by Sears to the manufacturer, thus, given the
volume that they have built and sell, one can consider them as tool makers
when making comparisons because although some of their tools may resemble
the name brand from which they are derived on the outside, they may differ
in significant ways in the internals. Thus, it would not be a reasonable
ranking to rate a Craftsman tool manufactured by, for example, Makita as
equivalent to its Makita ancestor -- the Craftsman tool would most likely
be a tool of its own.
>
>
>JOAT
>Charity ain't giving people what you wants to give, it's giving people
>what they need to get.
>- Albert
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Now we'll just use some glue to hold things in place until the brads dry
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J T wrote:
>
> Mon, Jan 17, 2005, 9:58am (EST-1) [email protected]
> (Duane Bozarth) claims:
> Well, I think it's so obvious nobody even considers it a question...
>
> What's obvious to me is, the original posted included Craftsman in
> his list of tool makers, and so did several other people.
>
Well, they're a distributor of branded tools...to the consumer there's
no difference. B&D, et al., contract out to off-shore manufacturing
facilities as well, so one could make the same claim for them...
"Mark & Juanita" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> Craftsman tools are spec'd by Sears to the manufacturer, thus, given the
> volume that they have built and sell, one can consider them as tool makers
> when making comparisons because although some of their tools may resemble
> the name brand from which they are derived on the outside, they may differ
> in significant ways in the internals.
Sounds exactly like an oem manufacturers for computers.
On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 16:57:29 -0500, "dadada" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
Some very well put advice in this thread. It's is truly a
multi-colour world.
I can say a bit about Mastercaft( Canadjun eh!). Back in the mid
"90's I bought some Mastercraft tools, DP, CMS, bench grinder, oh
and a 4" bench belt sander. They are all still in use to varying
extent, mostly the DP (dailyuse) and the CMS. They aren't pretty or
refined but they are all still very useful. The caveat being they
get hobby use, I'm less poor now, and choose from brands higher
up on the list.
On 13 Jan 2005 15:36:16 -0800, "Never Enough Money" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>That's hard do do. Some manufactures do better at certain tools. For
>example, the Bosch jigsaws are better than Porter-Cable's (IMO) but the
>Porter-Cable routers are better than Bosch's.
this is very true. you have to be selective and fine the best tools from each
brand.
--
Knight-Toolworks & Custom Planes
Custom made wooden planes at reasonable prices
See http://www.knight-toolworks.com For prices and ordering instructions.
"John McCoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >
> > Dewalt
> > Black and Decker
> > Makita
> > Ryobi
> > Craftsman
> > Mastercraft (Canadian Participants)
>
> What brand is better depends considerably on what tool it is
Agreed.
> However, of the list you give, the only two brands I would ever
> buy are Makita and Dewalt, and of those two Makita in my
> estimation is markedly superior.
In the past, I've bought Black and Decker, Makita and I think there's a
Craftsman hiding somewhere. The only one in that list I'd buy now is Makita.
Dewalt while it may have some quality products, sells a lot on their name
and their trademark colour ~ makes me avoid them. Canadian Tire (alias
Crappy Tire) is not a manufacturer, they sell other manufacturer's products.
Consider them equivalent to Walmart when buying tools.
> John
On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 01:35:41 GMT, "Leon"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Ranking any brand in any particular order is WRONG. No one makes the best
>of everything. Don't fall into the brand loyalty thing. Buy which ever
>brand that best suits your needs for any given tool.
.. but I do wish that codless tool batteries were standardized ;....
On 15 Jan 2005 19:36:40 -0800, "Never Enough Money" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Mine, too.
Yeah, me too.
I guess.
Maybe.
Maybe not.
Upon further thought, absolutely not.
Hard to tell since you have left absolutely NO clue what you are replying
to and your post just showed up after I have refreshed the group so no
context is visible in the titles.
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Ranking any brand in any particular order is WRONG. No one makes the best
of everything. Don't fall into the brand loyalty thing. Buy which ever
brand that best suits your needs for any given tool.
"dadada" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hello Everyone,
>
> I'm a newbie to this NG and Woodworking. I am wondering if you could rank
> the following tool makers from best to worst. Please feel free to add your
> own.
>
> TIA
>
> Dewalt
> Black and Decker
> Makita
> Ryobi
> Craftsman
> Mastercraft (Canadian Participants)
>
>
Jet
Bosch
DeWalt
Senco
Porter-Cable
Delta
Milwaukee
Hitachi
Makita
Ridgid
Craftsman
Black and decker
Ryobi
I am a full time carpenter/woodworker and these are the brands that i use on
a daily basis and in the order of my favorite to least favorite. For large
stationary machines, Jet has my vote as #1. For powered hand tools, I
prefer Bosch. DeWalt second for hand power tools. For nail guns, I prefer
Senco after "retiring" all the PC guns, except the brad gun. All other PC
tools would rate third. On down the line to Makita tools, which i feel are
the lowest grade "professional" tools. (after many problems, I really
dislike Makita tools and won't buy them anymore) . After that, IMO your
getting into "homeowner" grade tools, which really have no professional use
to me.
Once again, i use woodworking tools everyday and buy the ones i feel are
of the best quality, and these are my favorites. If you are just an
occasional wood worker on a limited budget, you can get away with buying
some homeowner oriented tools. Hope this helps, --dave.
"IBM5081" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Metabo
> Bosch
> Hitachi
> Makita
> Max
> Fein
> Paslode
> Milwaukee
> Panasonic
> Hilti
> Porter-Cable
> Ridgid (HD house brand)
> Senco
> Spotnails
> Delta
> DeWalt
> Bostich
> Black and Decker
> Ryobi
> Craftsman
> Mastercraft (Canadian Participants)
>
"dadada" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> Hello Everyone,
>
> I'm a newbie to this NG and Woodworking. I am wondering if you could
> rank the following tool makers from best to worst. Please feel free to
> add your own.
>
> TIA
>
> Dewalt
> Black and Decker
> Makita
> Ryobi
> Craftsman
> Mastercraft (Canadian Participants)
What brand is better depends considerably on what tool it is
you want to buy...some makers are particularly noted for certain
tools (e.g. Porter Cable for routers) but not so well regarded
for the rest of their line.
However, of the list you give, the only two brands I would ever
buy are Makita and Dewalt, and of those two Makita in my
estimation is markedly superior.
John
I personally would have placed Makita at the top of the list.
I have a number of Makita tools, Drills, Sanders, Router,Planer and have
never had a problem with any. I must admit that they are getting a bit
long in the tooth now. About 12mths ago I replaced the top and Bottom
bearings and brushes on the router(Its roughly 25 yrs old) and it runs
like new again.
That said, I also had a B&D jig saw which my wife bought for me at about
the same time(Give or take a year or 2) and bloody thing wouldn't die
until 2 years ago. l think she paid about $12.00 at Kmart markdown
trolley. ( In my innocence I had mentioned getting a jigsaw) and she did
the right thing, I s pose) finally got my Bosh)
John
Mark & Juanita wrote:
> On 15 Jan 2005 19:36:40 -0800, "Never Enough Money" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>
>>Mine, too.
>
>
> Yeah, me too.
>
> I guess.
>
> Maybe.
>
> Maybe not.
>
> Upon further thought, absolutely not.
>
> Hard to tell since you have left absolutely NO clue what you are replying
> to and your post just showed up after I have refreshed the group so no
> context is visible in the titles.
>
>
>
>
> +--------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
>
> Now we'll just use some glue to hold things in place until the brads dry
>
> +--------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
In article <[email protected]>,
"Keith" <[email protected]> wrote:
Makita would be close to the bottom of my list. My only Makita was
overprices and never worked well.
Dick
> Makita (Never had a speck of trouble with anything I own)
> Porter-Cable
> Delta
> Milwaukee (Only own a Sawzall so I can't really say much other than this one
> is great)
> Never owned anything by general but everyone else who owns it says their
> tools are great.
>
> KP
>
In article <[email protected]>,
"dadada" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hello Everyone,
>
> I'm a newbie to this NG and Woodworking. I am wondering if you could rank
> the following tool makers from best to worst. Please feel free to add your
> own.
It's like asking: Who makes the best set of wheels?
Is it Ferrari or Peterbuilt?
Best vacation spot?
Do you swim or ski?
You cannot make a list like that.
When my Milwaukee 4x24 belt sander finally became unrepairable (the
thing had been dropped so many times, trying to run away from unskilled
hands) the bearings were finally toast and the commutator was worn to
the shaft... I decided to buy a PC belt sander, after all, I was so
happy with the PC routers.......WRONGGGGGG.
I can go on for hours.
So... ask yourself:
Do you want to go home to your wife as quickly as possible?
or
Do you want to go home to your wife as quickly as possible and bring her
40 metric tons of topsoil at the same time?
First you categorize the job at hand.
Then ask yourself how often and for how long you are going to do this
task.
Then make a list for that category of the best tools.. and I will
guarantee you that 50% of the replies will disagree with that list.
Do you want to pay too much and still get your money's worth?
Festool, Fein, Milwaukee, Lamello and Metabo.
Bits & blades?
http://www.royceayr.com/
Vehicles?
http://www.unimogtrucks.com/
G,D &R
Rob
Thank you for your responses.
I didn't realize there was such a selection.
As Dave wrote, I am looking at it from a perspective of a homeowner or as a
hobby.
"hikinandbikin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> So if you are making a brand list you have to include a few other
> folks.
> Makita Porter Cable Bosch Dewalt - Probably in this order. These 3
> depend on the particular item as all make good tools
> Black and Decker, Ryobi definitely low end. But I know folks who have
> had a good experience.
> Craftsman is a rogue - Sometimes good often not so much it depends on
> who their manufacturer is, for instance I believe Bosch is making their
> high end routers right now.
> W
>
On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 16:57:29 -0500, "dadada" <[email protected]> vaguely
proposed a theory
......and in reply I say!:
remove ns from my header address to reply via email
Ask about each tool.
get a dozen answers, but at least you've mnaroowed it down <G>
State your amount and type of use.
this can decide accuracy and longevity issues
Decide whether you _really_ need that tool, or are trying to find out
whether you do.
If you are simply "testing the waters, then buy a _moderate_ cheapy.
* Ryobi is powerful, not very accurate, but reasonably
strong....... which of course means you put up with the bloody thong
for longer <G>
* But be prepared for it to not only not last as long, but to
not work as well. So allow for that when deciding whether you can use
that type of tool.
>Hello Everyone,
>
>I'm a newbie to this NG and Woodworking. I am wondering if you could rank
>the following tool makers from best to worst. Please feel free to add your
>own.
>
>TIA
>
>Dewalt
>Black and Decker
>Makita
>Ryobi
>Craftsman
>Mastercraft (Canadian Participants)
>
"dadada" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hello Everyone,
>
> I'm a newbie to this NG and Woodworking. I am wondering if you could rank
> the following tool makers from best to worst. Please feel free to add your
> own.
>
> TIA
>
1. Makita
2. DeWalt
3. *some* Craftsman stuff
4. everything else
> Dewalt
> Black and Decker
> Makita
> Ryobi
> Craftsman
> Mastercraft (Canadian Participants)
>
>
On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 02:40:53 -0500, GregP wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 01:35:41 GMT, "Leon"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Ranking any brand in any particular order is WRONG. No one makes the best
>>of everything. Don't fall into the brand loyalty thing. Buy which ever
>>brand that best suits your needs for any given tool.
>
>
> .. but I do wish that codless tool batteries were standardized ;....
They'll do that as soon as they standardise razor blades and printer
cartridges.
--
Luigi
Who is trying to buy a simple old-fashioned single blade razor but can't
find one for love or money outside of ebay.
Replace "nonet" with "yukonomics" for real email address
All colors...
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> So your shop has all the colors. I remember how difficult it was for
> me to add an ugly gray PC to my bright yellow Dewalt collection because
> they had been so good to me. After that the brand loyalty was broken.
> Bob
>