Field Gate

The top rail is actually the same width as the side posts and the
diagonals and other cross pieces are much narrower. The diagonals go
*into* the top rail, not behind it.

On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:10:19 -0600, "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote:

>> http://www.timbergardengates.co.uk/images/country_diamond_braced_lg.jpg)
>
>With that picture, why on earth would you need plans?

Because you wanted to do it right, not a flimsy abomination like the
picture ?

No plans offhand (I'll look) - but there's a lot of subtlety to making a
good gate and that one just isn't it. Nice illustration in Rose's
"Village Carpenter"
<http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0941533182/codesmiths-20>
of a classically styled jowled gate (a good journeyman's day's work to
make) and that's also a delightful book.

Gates are hung from a gatepost, so they're inherently asymmetric. They
also _hang_, so the forces are tensile forces acting diagonally
downwards away from the post. The design and bracing should take this
into account. Diamond symmetry like the illustration is for bracing
riveted iron towers, not wooden gates. Almost everything about that
picture is wrong: the symmetry, the use of rivets, not tenons. the equal
weight of the posts and frame members adjacent to them, and most of all
the expectation that timber can be joined in any sort of crossing joint
and be expected to be a strong joint.

Incidentally "Handy Farm Devices" will probably be recommended as a
book, but happens to be poor on gates (easy rather than good).

Here are some better (but not perfect) ideas
http://www.juniperfencing.co.uk/images/gates_05_big.jpg
http://www.cps.gov.on.ca/english/ss8000/ss8364.htm

Big vertical frame member alongside the hinges, higher than the main
gate. Big diagonal down from this to the lower rail about 3/4+ of the
span outwards. The diagonal doesn't (and shouldn't) go right to the top
of the vertical though. Forget the top rail - that's just for leaning on
and climbing over, it's the diagonal that's the real strength of this
gate. The horizontal slats are attached _to_ the diagonal and the
frame, the diagonal isn't added to them later as an after thought. On a
big or tall gate, add a second diagonal beneath the main diagonal at
near right angles to it and going down to the bottom hinge-side corner
(liek the juniperfencing gate).

All major joints should be tee joints and mortice and tenoned. If you
can't do this, add iron straps. Right angles are strongest, but skewed
is OK (harder to cut though).

"MAV" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Hi everyone
>
> Does anybody has a nice construction plan on how to build a field gate?
> You know the ones made in England. (something like this
> http://www.timbergardengates.co.uk/images/country_diamond_braced_lg.jpg)
>
> Thanks alot.
> Vincent
>
If you are in the US, check with you local cooperative extension office.

gary in Virginia

"none" wrote in message
> Swingman,
>
> Look closely at the picture again - it can't be made the way it's
depicted -
> that or my eyeballs need adjusting.

Your eyeballs need adjusting.

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Thanks for the help

Vincent

"Brynk" <[email protected]> schreef in bericht
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>I did
>
> alt.binaries.pictures.woodworking
>
> --
> Barry
>
>
> "MAV" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Thanks for the comments.
>>
>> Ok, you can determine alot from the photo. But I would be a great help to
>> have a plan of somekind as a guidence. So Barry if you are willing to
>> post the CAd file, I would appriciate it alot.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Vincent
>>
>> "Brynk" <[email protected]> schreef in bericht
>> news:[email protected]...
>>>I built a few w/ 2x6's
>>> The rails were sandwiched between double posts to replicate a mortised
>>> appearance (like you see on the PVC fencing
>>> I have an AutoCAD layout (dwg) I can post to abpw
>>> A pic too.....somewhere
>>>
>>>
>>> They are heavy. My largest was over 8 ft
>>>
>>> Barry
>>>
>>>
>>> "MAV" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>> Hi everyone
>>>>
>>>> Does anybody has a nice construction plan on how to build a field gate?
>>>> You know the ones made in England. (something like this
>>>> http://www.timbergardengates.co.uk/images/country_diamond_braced_lg.jpg)
>>>>
>>>> Thanks alot.
>>>> Vincent
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

"MAV" wrote in message
> Hi everyone
>
> Does anybody has a nice construction plan on how to build a field gate?
You
> know the ones made in England. (something like this
> http://www.timbergardengates.co.uk/images/country_diamond_braced_lg.jpg)

With that picture, why on earth would you need plans?

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Thanks for the comments.

Ok, you can determine alot from the photo. But I would be a great help to
have a plan of somekind as a guidence. So Barry if you are willing to post
the CAd file, I would appriciate it alot.

Thanks
Vincent

"Brynk" <[email protected]> schreef in bericht
news:[email protected]...
>I built a few w/ 2x6's
> The rails were sandwiched between double posts to replicate a mortised
> appearance (like you see on the PVC fencing
> I have an AutoCAD layout (dwg) I can post to abpw
> A pic too.....somewhere
>
>
> They are heavy. My largest was over 8 ft
>
> Barry
>
>
> "MAV" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Hi everyone
>>
>> Does anybody has a nice construction plan on how to build a field gate?
>> You know the ones made in England. (something like this
>> http://www.timbergardengates.co.uk/images/country_diamond_braced_lg.jpg)
>>
>> Thanks alot.
>> Vincent
>>
>
>

I built a few w/ 2x6's
The rails were sandwiched between double posts to replicate a mortised
appearance (like you see on the PVC fencing
I have an AutoCAD layout (dwg) I can post to abpw
A pic too.....somewhere


They are heavy. My largest was over 8 ft

Barry


"MAV" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hi everyone
>
> Does anybody has a nice construction plan on how to build a field gate?
> You know the ones made in England. (something like this
> http://www.timbergardengates.co.uk/images/country_diamond_braced_lg.jpg)
>
> Thanks alot.
> Vincent
>

Swingman,

Look closely at the picture again - it can't be made the way it's depicted -
that or my eyeballs need adjusting. Look at the top rail and see where the
cross-brace abuts to the top rail, then look at the how the braces are
fastened in the center of the top rail.

Also, I doubt that a gate that long made out of wood (heavy) would not be
sagging on the ground in short order without some serious method of keeping
the top rail under tension.

The OP could look at the cattle gates for some ideas if his gate needs to be
that long.

Bob S.


"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "MAV" wrote in message
>> Hi everyone
>>
>> Does anybody has a nice construction plan on how to build a field gate?
> You
>> know the ones made in England. (something like this
>> http://www.timbergardengates.co.uk/images/country_diamond_braced_lg.jpg)
>
> With that picture, why on earth would you need plans?
>
> --
> www.e-woodshop.net
> Last update: 12/13/05
>
>
>

MAV wrote:

> Hi everyone
>
> Does anybody has a nice construction plan on how to build a field
> gate? You know the ones made in England. (something like this
> http://www.timbergardengates.co.uk/images/country_diamond_braced_lg
> .jpg)


That picture is pretty clear. What do you need "plans" for? What might
be in plans that you couldn't determine from the picture?

Joe Barta

I did

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Barry


"MAV" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Thanks for the comments.
>
> Ok, you can determine alot from the photo. But I would be a great help to
> have a plan of somekind as a guidence. So Barry if you are willing to post
> the CAd file, I would appriciate it alot.
>
> Thanks
> Vincent
>
> "Brynk" <[email protected]> schreef in bericht
> news:[email protected]...
>>I built a few w/ 2x6's
>> The rails were sandwiched between double posts to replicate a mortised
>> appearance (like you see on the PVC fencing
>> I have an AutoCAD layout (dwg) I can post to abpw
>> A pic too.....somewhere
>>
>>
>> They are heavy. My largest was over 8 ft
>>
>> Barry
>>
>>
>> "MAV" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> Hi everyone
>>>
>>> Does anybody has a nice construction plan on how to build a field gate?
>>> You know the ones made in England. (something like this
>>> http://www.timbergardengates.co.uk/images/country_diamond_braced_lg.jpg)
>>>
>>> Thanks alot.
>>> Vincent
>>>
>>
>>
>
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