I found about 20 48" bulbs in the barn of the property I bought and
was going to use them for shop lighting...
Now that I go to put them in the fixtures I see they have a sticker
that says "For Commercial and Industrial use only. Do not use in
Worklight / Shoplight fixtures." Of course, I tried them (in a new
shoplight fixture) :^) and they glow pink at each end and buzz, never
"starting up" to clean white light.
The code on the other end says F40CW/EE/CC. 40=40 watts, CW=cool
white but I can't find anything that describes the EE or the CC with
several Google searches.
First, does anybody know what EE and CC mean?
Second, why would this bulb *not* work in a shop fixture, but would
work in a commercial fixture? Magnetic vs. electronic ballast?
Higher power? Different startup? Better efficiency? Different light
temperature?
If there's no way to get them to work, then I'll donate them to my
Habitat ReStore (with a big explanation label) and buy some regular
tubes.
Thanks.
Mike Brown
I'm wondering if they aren't meant for a 240v ballast or a 480v ballast.
Not all bulbs are as they seem.
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:ba52e39b-1362-47d1-84b4-25fad135a1d4@h11g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>I found about 20 48" bulbs in the barn of the property I bought and
> was going to use them for shop lighting...
>
> Now that I go to put them in the fixtures I see they have a sticker
> that says "For Commercial and Industrial use only. Do not use in
> Worklight / Shoplight fixtures." Of course, I tried them (in a new
> shoplight fixture) :^) and they glow pink at each end and buzz, never
> "starting up" to clean white light.
>
> The code on the other end says F40CW/EE/CC. 40=40 watts, CW=cool
> white but I can't find anything that describes the EE or the CC with
> several Google searches.
>
> First, does anybody know what EE and CC mean?
> Second, why would this bulb *not* work in a shop fixture, but would
> work in a commercial fixture? Magnetic vs. electronic ballast?
> Higher power? Different startup? Better efficiency? Different light
> temperature?
>
> If there's no way to get them to work, then I'll donate them to my
> Habitat ReStore (with a big explanation label) and buy some regular
> tubes.
>
> Thanks.
> Mike Brown
>
Fluorescent ballasts may use different input voltages but at the
output end, they drive the same bulbs. However, the ballast does need
to be matched to the bulbs. Almost certainly the problem is a
mismatch between the ballast in the shop light and the bulb. I don't
know what could distinguish a "commercial industrial" bulb from any
other type. High output bulbs exist, but do not require different
ballasts. You can look at catalogs from GE lighting or Philips
lighting, for example, and see the range of bulbs in current
production. They differ mainly in features like color rendering,
color temperature, and occasionally light output, but they are all
interchangeable.
What is the diameter of the bulbs? (Are they 1" diameter or 1.5"
diameter or something else?) If they are 1" diameter you have T8
bulbs which require electronic ballasts. If they are 1.5" diameter
they are T12 bulbs which generally work with magnetic ballasts. (You
can read your ballast label: it should indicate the type of bulbs that
it supports.)
The fact that they are F40 would suggest T12 bulbs and if your shop
light is new it should have an electronic ballast which would require
T8 bulbs. (Note that the T8 bulbs running on electronic ballasts are
more efficient, consuming a nominal 32W for the same output as a 40W
T12.)
On Jan 4, 8:31 am, "JACK" <[email protected]> wrote:
> I'm wondering if they aren't meant for a 240v ballast or a 480v ballast.
> Not all bulbs are as they seem.
>
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:ba52e39b-1362-47d1-84b4-25fad135a1d4@h11g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
> >I found about 20 48" bulbs in the barn of the property I bought and
> > was going to use them for shop lighting...
>
> > Now that I go to put them in the fixtures I see they have a sticker
> > that says "For Commercial and Industrial use only. Do not use in
> > Worklight / Shoplight fixtures." Of course, I tried them (in a new
> > shoplight fixture) :^) and they glow pink at each end and buzz, never
> > "starting up" to clean white light.
>
> > The code on the other end says F40CW/EE/CC. 40=40 watts, CW=cool
> > white but I can't find anything that describes the EE or the CC with
> > several Google searches.
>
> > First, does anybody know what EE and CC mean?
> > Second, why would this bulb *not* work in a shop fixture, but would
> > work in a commercial fixture? Magnetic vs. electronic ballast?
> > Higher power? Different startup? Better efficiency? Different light
> > temperature?
>
> > If there's no way to get them to work, then I'll donate them to my
> > Habitat ReStore (with a big explanation label) and buy some regular
> > tubes.
>
> > Thanks.
> > Mike Brown
[email protected] wrote:
> I found about 20 48" bulbs in the barn of the property I bought and
> was going to use them for shop lighting...
>
> Now that I go to put them in the fixtures I see they have a sticker
> that says "For Commercial and Industrial use only. Do not use in
> Worklight / Shoplight fixtures." Of course, I tried them (in a new
> shoplight fixture) :^) and they glow pink at each end and buzz, never
> "starting up" to clean white light.
>
> The code on the other end says F40CW/EE/CC. 40=40 watts, CW=cool
> white but I can't find anything that describes the EE or the CC with
> several Google searches.
>
> First, does anybody know what EE and CC mean?
> Second, why would this bulb *not* work in a shop fixture, but would
> work in a commercial fixture? Magnetic vs. electronic ballast?
> Higher power? Different startup? Better efficiency? Different light
> temperature?
>
> If there's no way to get them to work, then I'll donate them to my
> Habitat ReStore (with a big explanation label) and buy some regular
> tubes.
>
> Thanks.
> Mike Brown
>
CC= cold-cathode
EE= extra efficient instant start
MikeB
Yes, they are T12 bulbs, in a fixture meant for T12 bulbs. They
physically fit just fine. That's why I'm so confused.
I'm going to call up a lighting company with a big web site and see if
they have any ideas.
Thanks!
Mike Brown
On Jan 4, 6:17 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> Fluorescent ballasts may use different input voltages but at the
> output end, they drive the same bulbs. However, the ballast does need
> to be matched to the bulbs. Almost certainly the problem is a
> mismatch between the ballast in the shop light and the bulb. I don't
> know what could distinguish a "commercial industrial" bulb from any
> other type. High output bulbs exist, but do not require different
> ballasts. You can look at catalogs from GE lighting or Philips
> lighting, for example, and see the range of bulbs in current
> production. They differ mainly in features like color rendering,
> color temperature, and occasionally light output, but they are all
> interchangeable.
>
> What is the diameter of the bulbs? (Are they 1" diameter or 1.5"
> diameter or something else?) If they are 1" diameter you have T8
> bulbs which require electronic ballasts. If they are 1.5" diameter
> they are T12 bulbs which generally work with magnetic ballasts. (You
> can read your ballast label: it should indicate the type of bulbs that
> it supports.)
>
> The fact that they are F40 would suggest T12 bulbs and if your shop
> light is new it should have an electronic ballast which would require
> T8 bulbs. (Note that the T8 bulbs running on electronic ballasts are
> more efficient, consuming a nominal 32W for the same output as a 40W
> T12.)
>
> On Jan 4, 8:31 am, "JACK" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > I'm wondering if they aren't meant for a 240v ballast or a 480v ballast.
> > Not all bulbs are as they seem.
>
> > <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> >news:ba52e39b-1362-47d1-84b4-25fad135a1d4@h11g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
> > >I found about 20 48" bulbs in the barn of the property I bought and
> > > was going to use them for shop lighting...
>
> > > Now that I go to put them in the fixtures I see they have a sticker
> > > that says "For Commercial and Industrial use only. Do not use in
> > > Worklight / Shoplight fixtures." Of course, I tried them (in a new
> > > shoplight fixture) :^) and they glow pink at each end and buzz, never
> > > "starting up" to clean white light.
>
> > > The code on the other end says F40CW/EE/CC. 40=40 watts, CW=cool
> > > white but I can't find anything that describes the EE or the CC with
> > > several Google searches.
>
> > > First, does anybody know what EE and CC mean?
> > > Second, why would this bulb *not* work in a shop fixture, but would
> > > work in a commercial fixture? Magnetic vs. electronic ballast?
> > > Higher power? Different startup? Better efficiency? Different light
> > > temperature?
>
> > > If there's no way to get them to work, then I'll donate them to my
> > > Habitat ReStore (with a big explanation label) and buy some regular
> > > tubes.
>
> > > Thanks.
> > > Mike Brown
[email protected] wrote:
> Yes, they are T12 bulbs, in a fixture meant for T12 bulbs. They
> physically fit just fine. That's why I'm so confused.
>
> I'm going to call up a lighting company with a big web site and see if
> they have any ideas.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Mike Brown
>
> On Jan 4, 6:17 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>> Fluorescent ballasts may use different input voltages but at the
>> output end, they drive the same bulbs. However, the ballast does need
>> to be matched to the bulbs. Almost certainly the problem is a
>> mismatch between the ballast in the shop light and the bulb. I don't
>> know what could distinguish a "commercial industrial" bulb from any
>> other type. High output bulbs exist, but do not require different
>> ballasts. You can look at catalogs from GE lighting or Philips
>> lighting, for example, and see the range of bulbs in current
>> production. They differ mainly in features like color rendering,
>> color temperature, and occasionally light output, but they are all
>> interchangeable.
>>
>> What is the diameter of the bulbs? (Are they 1" diameter or 1.5"
>> diameter or something else?) If they are 1" diameter you have T8
>> bulbs which require electronic ballasts. If they are 1.5" diameter
>> they are T12 bulbs which generally work with magnetic ballasts. (You
>> can read your ballast label: it should indicate the type of bulbs that
>> it supports.)
>>
>> The fact that they are F40 would suggest T12 bulbs and if your shop
>> light is new it should have an electronic ballast which would require
>> T8 bulbs. (Note that the T8 bulbs running on electronic ballasts are
>> more efficient, consuming a nominal 32W for the same output as a 40W
>> T12.)
>>
>> On Jan 4, 8:31 am, "JACK" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm wondering if they aren't meant for a 240v ballast or a 480v ballast.
>>> Not all bulbs are as they seem.
>>> <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:ba52e39b-1362-47d1-84b4-25fad135a1d4@h11g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>>>> I found about 20 48" bulbs in the barn of the property I bought and
>>>> was going to use them for shop lighting...
>>>> Now that I go to put them in the fixtures I see they have a sticker
>>>> that says "For Commercial and Industrial use only. Do not use in
>>>> Worklight / Shoplight fixtures." Of course, I tried them (in a new
>>>> shoplight fixture) :^) and they glow pink at each end and buzz, never
>>>> "starting up" to clean white light.
>>>> The code on the other end says F40CW/EE/CC. 40=40 watts, CW=cool
>>>> white but I can't find anything that describes the EE or the CC with
>>>> several Google searches.
>>>> First, does anybody know what EE and CC mean?
>>>> Second, why would this bulb *not* work in a shop fixture, but would
>>>> work in a commercial fixture? Magnetic vs. electronic ballast?
>>>> Higher power? Different startup? Better efficiency? Different light
>>>> temperature?
>>>> If there's no way to get them to work, then I'll donate them to my
>>>> Habitat ReStore (with a big explanation label) and buy some regular
>>>> tubes.
>>>> Thanks.
>>>> Mike Brown
>
Could it be that they are nearly burnt out?
On 4 Jan, 04:42, [email protected] wrote:
> I found about 20 48" bulbs in the barn of the property I bought and
> was going to use them for shop lighting...
>
> Now that I go to put them in the fixtures I see they have a sticker
> that says "For Commercial and Industrial use only. =A0Do not use in
> Worklight / Shoplight fixtures." =A0Of course, I tried them (in a new
> shoplight fixture) :^) and they glow pink at each end and buzz, never
> "starting up" to clean white light.
>
> The code on the other end says F40CW/EE/CC. =A040=3D40 watts, CW=3Dcool
> white but I can't find anything that describes the EE or the CC with
> several Google searches.
>
> First, does anybody know what EE and CC mean?
> Second, why would this bulb *not* work in a shop fixture, but would
> work in a commercial fixture? =A0Magnetic vs. electronic ballast?
> Higher power? =A0Different startup? =A0Better efficiency? =A0Different lig=
ht
> temperature?
>
> If there's no way to get them to work, then I'll donate them to my
> Habitat ReStore (with a big explanation label) and buy some regular
> tubes.
>
> Thanks.
> Mike Brown
With the lamp on, try gripping the tube lightly at each end, then
slide your hands toward the centre, This has always worked for me.
"Limey Lurker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:fa8ff362-aad8-4677-bfa7-e89d709a3010@d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On 4 Jan, 04:42, [email protected] wrote:
> I found about 20 48" bulbs in the barn of the property I bought and
> was going to use them for shop lighting...
>
> Now that I go to put them in the fixtures I see they have a sticker
> that says "For Commercial and Industrial use only. Do not use in
> Worklight / Shoplight fixtures." Of course, I tried them (in a new
> shoplight fixture) :^) and they glow pink at each end and buzz, never
> "starting up" to clean white light.
>
> The code on the other end says F40CW/EE/CC. 40=40 watts, CW=cool
> white but I can't find anything that describes the EE or the CC with
> several Google searches.
>
> First, does anybody know what EE and CC mean?
> Second, why would this bulb *not* work in a shop fixture, but would
> work in a commercial fixture? Magnetic vs. electronic ballast?
> Higher power? Different startup? Better efficiency? Different light
> temperature?
>
> Mike Brown
I bought some 4' T8s and they had that pink glow for the first day--just a
few minutes on. The next day they worked fine and have since. Electronic
ballasts. I attributed it to having them standing on end for a week, but
that may not be the reason. (6500K)
-Doug