MJ

"Mark Jerde"

17/10/2003 7:49 PM

Jointer Safety Help

I flexed my credit card & bought a 6" jointer, 14" bandsaw, 16.5" drill
press, 650 CFM dust collector & 12.5" planer from a guy getting out of
woodworking. (All Jet except the Delta planer.) IMO the "Jet blue" clashes
violently with the "Grizzly green" of my table saw & sander but I suppose
I'll get used to it. ;-)

I've made a few test cuts with the jointer & it scares me. IDAGS on
"jointer safety" but so far all the hits are pretty generic. "Don't cut too
deep, no nails or loose knots, no hands over the cutter unless you're using
push blocks, ..." Are there some good sites for learning to use the jointer
and still be able to do10-finger typing for the rest of my life?

Thanks.

-- Mark


This topic has 34 replies

cb

charlie b

in reply to "Mark Jerde" on 17/10/2003 7:49 PM

18/10/2003 10:27 AM

George wrote:

snip

> Only thing scarier is the shaper.

Ever seen a 24 or 36 inch disk sander with 60 grit on it?

charlie b

Gs

"George"

in reply to "Mark Jerde" on 17/10/2003 7:49 PM

17/10/2003 4:29 PM

Only one dangerous part - so keep your fingers away. Now as to how to get
work done while avoiding, any basic woodworking text should cover it. Make
sure you have push blocks for surfacing, and a push board for edging the
small stuff, and that's about it.

Only thing scarier is the shaper.

"Mark Jerde" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I flexed my credit card & bought a 6" jointer, 14" bandsaw, 16.5" drill
> press, 650 CFM dust collector & 12.5" planer from a guy getting out of
> woodworking. (All Jet except the Delta planer.) IMO the "Jet blue"
clashes
> violently with the "Grizzly green" of my table saw & sander but I suppose
> I'll get used to it. ;-)
>
> I've made a few test cuts with the jointer & it scares me. IDAGS on
> "jointer safety" but so far all the hits are pretty generic. "Don't cut
too
> deep, no nails or loose knots, no hands over the cutter unless you're
using
> push blocks, ..." Are there some good sites for learning to use the
jointer
> and still be able to do10-finger typing for the rest of my life?

Gs

"George"

in reply to "Mark Jerde" on 17/10/2003 7:49 PM

17/10/2003 6:47 PM

A board held vertically with a "heel" extending down say 1/4". I like one
with two obvious handholds, which helps control the piece. Imagine a plane
with a hook at the trailing end to push the board, and you've got a good
idea. Fierer and other standard texts should have them illustrated. For
the really narrow stuff, pitch it a bit to the left so you can exert down
and fence-hugging pressure.

"j" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> George wrote:
> > sure you have push blocks for surfacing, and a push board for edging the
> > small stuff, and that's about it.
>
>
> George, What's a push board? (going on the assumption there are no
> stupid questions)
>
> jw
>

Gs

"George"

in reply to "Mark Jerde" on 17/10/2003 7:49 PM

17/10/2003 6:42 PM

Sounds extreme. Also puts him at the mercy of a downsloping off-feed table.
Generally, as soon as there's more than a couple of handwidths on the
outfeed, transfer there, "walking" the board so you keep things pretty well
referenced to the same spot on the table. Control with the right, don't
press.

Stand to the side, toward the rear. Light cuts minimize possibility of
kickback, and, as I tell the kids at school, if it wants to go, LIFT YOUR
HANDS AND LET IT! Never seen kick except when surfacing.

BTW, if you ever want to see something scary, look at a leftie trying to
figure out how to feed!

"Mark Jerde" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> When joining the edge of a 2x4", when do you move your hands to the
outfeed
> table? The guy I bought the jointer from moved his about 18" in front of
> the cutter & pulled the rest of the way. Given there are two operative
> parts of the word "kickback," namely "kick" and "back," the "back" part
> wants me to never have my hands in front of the cutter but my supply of
> infinite long stock is gone. ;-)
>
> -- Mark
>
>
>

Gs

"George"

in reply to "Mark Jerde" on 17/10/2003 7:49 PM

19/10/2003 2:40 PM

Europeans use a different kind of guard, Fred. They can feed in the wrong
direction.

"Fred the Red Shirt" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Andy Dingley <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>...
> > On 18 Oct 2003 17:54:31 -0700, [email protected] (Fred the Red
> > Shirt) wrote:
> >
> > >I've never seen kickback from a jointer but it can catapult the board
back
> > >opposite to the direction you are feeding it
> >
> > Or if you feed it the wrong way (!) it'll snatch it right out of your
> > hands. My jointer now has a big "<-- Feed" marking on it.
>
> Uh, yeah.
> The jointer guards I have seen do not allow feed in the wrong
> direction. Also, unlike some table saw guards, they do not seem
> to interfere with the work either. Although I'm a bit doubtful as
> to the effectiveness of the guards to protect you from the kinds
> of accidents that happen with jointers.
>
> --
>
> FF

MJ

"Mark Jerde"

in reply to "Mark Jerde" on 17/10/2003 7:49 PM

17/10/2003 8:59 PM

My Grizzly catalog has three pages of power feeders. The only one I see
that mentions jointers is the "Copy Power Feeder." Does anyone use power
feeders with jointers, or is this an oil & water combination?

Thanks.

-- Mark

MJ

"Mark Jerde"

in reply to "Mark Jerde" on 17/10/2003 7:49 PM

17/10/2003 9:41 PM

Fly-by-Night CC wrote:

> Many folks appear to push the wood down against the table & fence
> *really hard.* The problem with this is that they have so much body
> weight leaning against the jointer that if something goes wrong and
> the piece is kicked out or their hand (or pushblock) slips, they have
> no where to go but fall onto the jointer.
>
> It really only takes a light, but firm pressure to keep the board in
> proper position to flatten or square an edge. If something should
> happen, then there's much more likelyhood you'll maintain your balance
> and not end up lunging forward - thereby keeping any injury to a
> minimum.

When joining the edge of a 2x4", when do you move your hands to the outfeed
table? The guy I bought the jointer from moved his about 18" in front of
the cutter & pulled the rest of the way. Given there are two operative
parts of the word "kickback," namely "kick" and "back," the "back" part
wants me to never have my hands in front of the cutter but my supply of
infinite long stock is gone. ;-)

-- Mark


MJ

"Mark Jerde"

in reply to "Mark Jerde" on 17/10/2003 7:49 PM

17/10/2003 8:51 PM

Let me refine my question a little. Are there some sites where folks talk
about safety and effectiveness with the jointer? Like the best ways to how
to deal with cups, twists & bows. (I know, cups down.) Kind of "Jointer
Best Practices" stuff.

Thanks.

-- Mark

Pn

Phisherman

in reply to "Mark Jerde" on 17/10/2003 7:49 PM

18/10/2003 1:44 AM

On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 19:49:06 GMT, "Mark Jerde"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>I flexed my credit card & bought a 6" jointer, 14" bandsaw, 16.5" drill
>press, 650 CFM dust collector & 12.5" planer from a guy getting out of
>woodworking. (All Jet except the Delta planer.) IMO the "Jet blue" clashes
>violently with the "Grizzly green" of my table saw & sander but I suppose
>I'll get used to it. ;-)
>
>I've made a few test cuts with the jointer & it scares me. IDAGS on
>"jointer safety" but so far all the hits are pretty generic. "Don't cut too
>deep, no nails or loose knots, no hands over the cutter unless you're using
>push blocks, ..." Are there some good sites for learning to use the jointer
>and still be able to do10-finger typing for the rest of my life?
>
>Thanks.
>
> -- Mark
>

Just be aware of what you are doing. No leaning. No distractions.
No slippery floors. No drugs. Both feet on clean floor. Keep the
safety guard in place. Keep push blocks conveniently nearby. Don't
rush. It's not a particularly dangerous machine (it doesn't kick
back like a table saw can), but the knives are very sharp with the
machine on or off. When it comes time to change the knives, do so
carefully.

MJ

"Mark Jerde"

in reply to "Mark Jerde" on 17/10/2003 7:49 PM

21/10/2003 5:20 PM

Jay Windley wrote:
> My dad can affirm that you can feed a suitably substantial piece of
> stock the correct direction through a joiner, using the proper
> pusher, and taking only the merest fraction of wood off, and still
> turn the tips of your fingers into a fine red mist when the stock
> decides to jump.

Yurg!!

> There is no safe combination of joiner drum and
> human finger. The only way to avoid serious injury on a joiner is to
> keep your fingers as far away (and preferably downstream of the feed
> direction) as possible from the drum.

Does anyone use feeders with jointers? (I asked this already but if it was
answered my filter ate it.)

-- Mark

TK

"Tom Kohlman"

in reply to "Mark Jerde" on 17/10/2003 7:49 PM

21/10/2003 12:36 AM

...just a simple question. If the machine is capable of 1/64ths of an inch
cut and common wisdom is not to exceed 1/8" at a time on a 6" machine, how
can you ever get hurt unless the piece is too thin or narrow or short to
begin with?

Only time I ever draw blood on the thing is in setting them up (twice
now!!!...cleaning the factory grease off before even plugging the damn
things in).

"Phisherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 19:49:06 GMT, "Mark Jerde"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >I flexed my credit card & bought a 6" jointer, 14" bandsaw, 16.5" drill
> >press, 650 CFM dust collector & 12.5" planer from a guy getting out of
> >woodworking. (All Jet except the Delta planer.) IMO the "Jet blue"
clashes
> >violently with the "Grizzly green" of my table saw & sander but I suppose
> >I'll get used to it. ;-)
> >
> >I've made a few test cuts with the jointer & it scares me. IDAGS on
> >"jointer safety" but so far all the hits are pretty generic. "Don't cut
too
> >deep, no nails or loose knots, no hands over the cutter unless you're
using
> >push blocks, ..." Are there some good sites for learning to use the
jointer
> >and still be able to do10-finger typing for the rest of my life?
> >
> >Thanks.
> >
> > -- Mark
> >
>
> Just be aware of what you are doing. No leaning. No distractions.
> No slippery floors. No drugs. Both feet on clean floor. Keep the
> safety guard in place. Keep push blocks conveniently nearby. Don't
> rush. It's not a particularly dangerous machine (it doesn't kick
> back like a table saw can), but the knives are very sharp with the
> machine on or off. When it comes time to change the knives, do so
> carefully.

MG

"Mike G"

in reply to "Mark Jerde" on 17/10/2003 7:49 PM

20/10/2003 9:14 PM

Been following the thread with only mild interest. I was really curious to
see how anyone ANYONE, as some poster had indicated could happen, could
accidentally feed stock the wrong way through a jointer. So far I haven't
seen the answer to that.

However, as to how one can hurt oneself taking only one 1/64" cut. While the
blades only extend an RCH above the outfeed table there is still relatively
a large opening between the infeed and outfeed table that will, should an
errant digit enter it, allow you to get quite a manicure.

Say a thin or short board being fed on the trailing edge with the bare hand
and too much pressure dipping into that gap.

--
Mike G.
Heirloom Woods
www.heirloom-woods.net
"Tom Kohlman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:Hc%[email protected]...
> ...just a simple question. If the machine is capable of 1/64ths of an
inch
> cut and common wisdom is not to exceed 1/8" at a time on a 6" machine, how
> can you ever get hurt unless the piece is too thin or narrow or short to
> begin with?
>
> Only time I ever draw blood on the thing is in setting them up (twice
> now!!!...cleaning the factory grease off before even plugging the damn
> things in).
>
> "Phisherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 19:49:06 GMT, "Mark Jerde"
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > >I flexed my credit card & bought a 6" jointer, 14" bandsaw, 16.5" drill
> > >press, 650 CFM dust collector & 12.5" planer from a guy getting out of
> > >woodworking. (All Jet except the Delta planer.) IMO the "Jet blue"
> clashes
> > >violently with the "Grizzly green" of my table saw & sander but I
suppose
> > >I'll get used to it. ;-)
> > >
> > >I've made a few test cuts with the jointer & it scares me. IDAGS on
> > >"jointer safety" but so far all the hits are pretty generic. "Don't
cut
> too
> > >deep, no nails or loose knots, no hands over the cutter unless you're
> using
> > >push blocks, ..." Are there some good sites for learning to use the
> jointer
> > >and still be able to do10-finger typing for the rest of my life?
> > >
> > >Thanks.
> > >
> > > -- Mark
> > >
> >
> > Just be aware of what you are doing. No leaning. No distractions.
> > No slippery floors. No drugs. Both feet on clean floor. Keep the
> > safety guard in place. Keep push blocks conveniently nearby. Don't
> > rush. It's not a particularly dangerous machine (it doesn't kick
> > back like a table saw can), but the knives are very sharp with the
> > machine on or off. When it comes time to change the knives, do so
> > carefully.
>
>

BD

"Bob Davis"

in reply to "Mark Jerde" on 17/10/2003 7:49 PM

17/10/2003 8:48 PM

Here's a basic link:

http://www.ccohs.ca/oshanswers/safety_haz/woodwork/planer.html

I think a set of rubber backed push blocks are essential with a jointer. If
you don't have a pair, get some.

Bob

"Mark Jerde" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I flexed my credit card & bought a 6" jointer, 14" bandsaw, 16.5" drill
> press, 650 CFM dust collector & 12.5" planer from a guy getting out of
> woodworking. (All Jet except the Delta planer.) IMO the "Jet blue"
clashes
> violently with the "Grizzly green" of my table saw & sander but I suppose
> I'll get used to it. ;-)
>
> I've made a few test cuts with the jointer & it scares me. IDAGS on
> "jointer safety" but so far all the hits are pretty generic. "Don't cut
too
> deep, no nails or loose knots, no hands over the cutter unless you're
using
> push blocks, ..." Are there some good sites for learning to use the
jointer
> and still be able to do10-finger typing for the rest of my life?
>
> Thanks.
>
> -- Mark
>
>

EP

"Edwin Pawlowski"

in reply to "Mark Jerde" on 17/10/2003 7:49 PM

17/10/2003 8:08 PM


"Mark Jerde" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> Are there some good sites for learning to use the jointer
> and still be able to do10-finger typing for the rest of my life?


Don't know of any, but as an alternative, any woodworking classes in your
area? Most have a safety course along with the basic woodworking.

If your credit card has not melted into a puddle, if you were to buy
something at a good woodworking store, someone there may take a few minutes
with you at a slow time.
Ed

JW

"Jay Windley"

in reply to "Mark Jerde" on 17/10/2003 7:49 PM

21/10/2003 11:13 AM

My dad can affirm that you can feed a suitably substantial piece of stock
the correct direction through a joiner, using the proper pusher, and taking
only the merest fraction of wood off, and still turn the tips of your
fingers into a fine red mist when the stock decides to jump. There is no
safe combination of joiner drum and human finger. The only way to avoid
serious injury on a joiner is to keep your fingers as far away (and
preferably downstream of the feed direction) as possible from the drum.

cC

[email protected] (Caleb Strockbine)

in reply to "Mark Jerde" on 17/10/2003 7:49 PM

18/10/2003 3:44 AM

>Have respect for the jointer or any tool; visualize what the proceedure
>is for each cut; plan ahead to make sure you have ample room to maneuver
>the piece going into the cutter and out of the cutter; and finally take
>your time - rushing through a final step at the end of a session leads
>to more errors and injury than probably anything an inexperienced
>woodworker may do to himself. IOW, complacency and impatience are the
>real demons of a working safely.


Good advice. I'd add this:

Do think about what kinds of injuries each tool could inflict, and how
you should react to each. Talk this over with anyone else in your household.
You and they should know:

- what to do for a severed bodypart
- how to get to the nearest hospital
- which hospital to go to for which kinds of injuries
- how and when to call 911
- where the main power cutoff switch in the shop is located
- where to find a fire extinguisher
- how to use pressure to stop bleeding
- etc.

For example, your town may have several hospitals, and one may have
an emergency eye care facility, while another specializes in trauma
and a third has a really good hand specialist. It's important to discuss this
stuff ahead of time because that training will kick in if something ever
does happen that requires quick and correct action.

Then, be vigilant to ensure that you never need to use those emergency
plans.

Personally, I also avoid using dangerous machines when I'm the only one
in the house. It's not inconvenient, as I usually have plenty of other
work that involves nothing more hazardous than sandpaper or shellac.

cC

in reply to "Mark Jerde" on 17/10/2003 7:49 PM

21/10/2003 2:41 AM

In article <Hc%[email protected]>, "Tom
Kohlman" <[email protected]> wrote:

>...just a simple question. If the machine is capable of 1/64ths of an inch
>cut and common wisdom is not to exceed 1/8" at a time on a 6" machine, how
>can you ever get hurt unless the piece is too thin or narrow or short to
>begin with?


If you're not careful about it, the jointer will effortlessly remove
1/64 off any misdirected fingers 32 times before you even have time
to react.

BD

"Bob Davis"

in reply to "Mark Jerde" on 17/10/2003 7:49 PM

17/10/2003 8:46 PM

This looks pretty interesting. I might buy one myself.

http://www.woodsafe.com/

Bob

"Mark Jerde" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I flexed my credit card & bought a 6" jointer, 14" bandsaw, 16.5" drill
> press, 650 CFM dust collector & 12.5" planer from a guy getting out of
> woodworking. (All Jet except the Delta planer.) IMO the "Jet blue"
clashes
> violently with the "Grizzly green" of my table saw & sander but I suppose
> I'll get used to it. ;-)
>
> I've made a few test cuts with the jointer & it scares me. IDAGS on
> "jointer safety" but so far all the hits are pretty generic. "Don't cut
too
> deep, no nails or loose knots, no hands over the cutter unless you're
using
> push blocks, ..." Are there some good sites for learning to use the
jointer
> and still be able to do10-finger typing for the rest of my life?
>
> Thanks.
>
> -- Mark
>
>

fF

[email protected] (Fred the Red Shirt)

in reply to "Mark Jerde" on 17/10/2003 7:49 PM

18/10/2003 5:54 PM

"George" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Only one dangerous part - so keep your fingers away. Now as to how to get
> work done while avoiding, any basic woodworking text should cover it. Make
> sure you have push blocks for surfacing, and a push board for edging the
> small stuff, and that's about it.
>

If it's real small edge it with a handplane. Safer and does a better job.
To do very small parts clamp the lane in the vise bottom up, or hold it
in your lap with one hand and draw the work accross it with the other
hand.

However, back to the jointer. One other concern is kick-back. I've
never seen kickback from a jointer but it can catapult the board back
opposite to the direction you are feeding it so don't let anyone
you care for stand there and don't put anything you don't want broken
there either.

--

FF

fF

[email protected] (Fred the Red Shirt)

in reply to "Mark Jerde" on 17/10/2003 7:49 PM

19/10/2003 10:28 AM

Andy Dingley <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> On 18 Oct 2003 17:54:31 -0700, [email protected] (Fred the Red
> Shirt) wrote:
>
> >I've never seen kickback from a jointer but it can catapult the board back
> >opposite to the direction you are feeding it
>
> Or if you feed it the wrong way (!) it'll snatch it right out of your
> hands. My jointer now has a big "<-- Feed" marking on it.

Uh, yeah.
The jointer guards I have seen do not allow feed in the wrong
direction. Also, unlike some table saw guards, they do not seem
to interfere with the work either. Although I'm a bit doubtful as
to the effectiveness of the guards to protect you from the kinds
of accidents that happen with jointers.

--

FF

EP

"Edwin Pawlowski"

in reply to "Mark Jerde" on 17/10/2003 7:49 PM

21/10/2003 2:26 AM


"Tom Kohlman" <[email protected]> wrote in message

> ...just a simple question. If the machine is capable of 1/64ths of an
inch
> cut and common wisdom is not to exceed 1/8" at a time on a 6" machine, how
> can you ever get hurt unless the piece is too thin or narrow or short to
> begin with?

No matter how idiot proof a tool is, the world keeps coming up with bigger
and better idiots. Someone will run a piece that is too thin, too narrow,
or too short to begin with.

I can easily see someone taking a 6" wide cut 1/8" deep off the palm of
their hand.
Ed

AD

Andy Dingley

in reply to "Mark Jerde" on 17/10/2003 7:49 PM

21/10/2003 12:32 PM

On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 21:14:49 -0400, "Mike G"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>I was really curious to
>see how anyone ANYONE, as some poster had indicated could happen, could
>accidentally feed stock the wrong way through a jointer.

My own fault. I let someone use one of my machines, and as they were
a "time served carpenter", I assumed they knew which way to feed it.
Turns out they'd never worked in a workshop before, only ever on-site.

<rant>
As an "unqualified" amateur furniture maker looking for work, I'm
apparently only fit for minimum-wage labouring jobs. But some
2x4-muncher can pull a stunt like this.

--
Die Gotterspammerung - Junkmail of the Gods

jj

j

in reply to "Mark Jerde" on 17/10/2003 7:49 PM

17/10/2003 10:07 PM

George wrote:
> sure you have push blocks for surfacing, and a push board for edging the
> small stuff, and that's about it.


George, What's a push board? (going on the assumption there are no
stupid questions)

jw

MG

"Mike G"

in reply to "Mark Jerde" on 17/10/2003 7:49 PM

21/10/2003 11:28 AM

Well, I guess that just proves that where there is a will there is a way.

--
Mike G.
Heirloom Woods
www.heirloom-woods.net
"Andy Dingley" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 21:14:49 -0400, "Mike G"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >I was really curious to
> >see how anyone ANYONE, as some poster had indicated could happen, could
> >accidentally feed stock the wrong way through a jointer.
>
> My own fault. I let someone use one of my machines, and as they were
> a "time served carpenter", I assumed they knew which way to feed it.
> Turns out they'd never worked in a workshop before, only ever on-site.
>
> <rant>
> As an "unqualified" amateur furniture maker looking for work, I'm
> apparently only fit for minimum-wage labouring jobs. But some
> 2x4-muncher can pull a stunt like this.
>
> --
> Die Gotterspammerung - Junkmail of the Gods

MG

"Mike G"

in reply to "Mark Jerde" on 17/10/2003 7:49 PM

17/10/2003 4:55 PM

Actually, throw in don't try to joint a too short board and what you have
pretty well covers the whole deal.

Use push blocks (the long broad kind with the rubber on the bottom) and you
really really have to work at it to hurt yourself.

--
Mike G.
Heirloom Woods
www.heirloom-woods.net
"Mark Jerde" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I flexed my credit card & bought a 6" jointer, 14" bandsaw, 16.5" drill
> press, 650 CFM dust collector & 12.5" planer from a guy getting out of
> woodworking. (All Jet except the Delta planer.) IMO the "Jet blue"
clashes
> violently with the "Grizzly green" of my table saw & sander but I suppose
> I'll get used to it. ;-)
>
> I've made a few test cuts with the jointer & it scares me. IDAGS on
> "jointer safety" but so far all the hits are pretty generic. "Don't cut
too
> deep, no nails or loose knots, no hands over the cutter unless you're
using
> push blocks, ..." Are there some good sites for learning to use the
jointer
> and still be able to do10-finger typing for the rest of my life?
>
> Thanks.
>
> -- Mark
>
>

LA

Lawrence A. Ramsey

in reply to "Mark Jerde" on 17/10/2003 7:49 PM

18/10/2003 12:11 PM

What about Hammertite Green or Gray?

On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 18:27:08 -0400, Silvan
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Mark Jerde wrote:
>
>> woodworking. (All Jet except the Delta planer.) IMO the "Jet blue"
>> clashes violently with the "Grizzly green" of my table saw & sander but I
>
>Wal-Mart has spray paint for 88 cents a can.
>
>Paint everything red.

FC

Fly-by-Night CC

in reply to "Mark Jerde" on 17/10/2003 7:49 PM

17/10/2003 2:21 PM

In article <[email protected]>,
"Mark Jerde" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Are there some good sites for learning to use the jointer
> and still be able to do10-finger typing for the rest of my life?

I don't have any site to recommend, but I'd like to offer up what I
think is one of the most important tips.

Many folks appear to push the wood down against the table & fence
*really hard.* The problem with this is that they have so much body
weight leaning against the jointer that if something goes wrong and the
piece is kicked out or their hand (or pushblock) slips, they have no
where to go but fall onto the jointer.

It really only takes a light, but firm pressure to keep the board in
proper position to flatten or square an edge. If something should
happen, then there's much more likelyhood you'll maintain your balance
and not end up lunging forward - thereby keeping any injury to a minimum.

Have respect for the jointer or any tool; visualize what the proceedure
is for each cut; plan ahead to make sure you have ample room to maneuver
the piece going into the cutter and out of the cutter; and finally take
your time - rushing through a final step at the end of a session leads
to more errors and injury than probably anything an inexperienced
woodworker may do to himself. IOW, complacency and impatience are the
real demons of a working safely.

--
Owen Lowe and his Fly-by-Night Copper Company
Offering a shim for the Porter-Cable 557 type 2 fence design.
<http://www.flybynightcoppercompany.com>
<http://www.easystreet.com/~onlnlowe/index.html>

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Andy Dingley

in reply to "Mark Jerde" on 17/10/2003 7:49 PM

19/10/2003 11:48 AM

On 18 Oct 2003 17:54:31 -0700, [email protected] (Fred the Red
Shirt) wrote:

>I've never seen kickback from a jointer but it can catapult the board back
>opposite to the direction you are feeding it

Or if you feed it the wrong way (!) it'll snatch it right out of your
hands. My jointer now has a big "<-- Feed" marking on it.

--
Die Gotterspammerung - Junkmail of the Gods

DS

"Dennis Slabaugh, Hobbyist Woodworker"

in reply to "Mark Jerde" on 17/10/2003 7:49 PM

17/10/2003 5:44 PM

Mark, while my post does not offer you a specific technique, I thought it
would be appropriate to direct you to my recently posted paper on safety. As
a Hobbyist Woodworker and a full time Risk Management Consultant for the
past 15 years, the words I share with you are directed toward an attitude
and mindset toward safety rather than a specific technique.

Good luck with the new tools, and when the hair on the back of your neck
stands up like a frightened cat, STOP! Step back and think about your next
move very carefully. http://www.woodworkinghobby.com/html/safety.html

--
Dennis Slabaugh, Hobbyist Woodworker
www.woodworkinghhobby.com



"Mark Jerde" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I flexed my credit card & bought a 6" jointer, 14" bandsaw, 16.5" drill
> press, 650 CFM dust collector & 12.5" planer from a guy getting out of
> woodworking. (All Jet except the Delta planer.) IMO the "Jet blue"
clashes
> violently with the "Grizzly green" of my table saw & sander but I suppose
> I'll get used to it. ;-)
>
> I've made a few test cuts with the jointer & it scares me. IDAGS on
> "jointer safety" but so far all the hits are pretty generic. "Don't cut
too
> deep, no nails or loose knots, no hands over the cutter unless you're
using
> push blocks, ..." Are there some good sites for learning to use the
jointer
> and still be able to do10-finger typing for the rest of my life?
>
> Thanks.
>
> -- Mark
>
>

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Andy Dingley

in reply to "Mark Jerde" on 17/10/2003 7:49 PM

19/10/2003 11:38 PM

On 19 Oct 2003 10:28:22 -0700, [email protected] (Fred the Red
Shirt) wrote:

>The jointer guards I have seen do not allow feed in the wrong
>direction.

We use "bridge" guards here in the UK, and Europe too AFAIK. You see
some US-style sprung guards around, but I think they've been
unsaleable on new kit since the '98 regs came in.

Here's a useful HSE guide (if you're in the UK, you should read this
site - lots of good stuff)
http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/wis17.pdf
http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/woodindx.htm

Although this is a pathertic little benchtop jointer, it's the same
guard as on my 6"
http://www.axminster.co.uk/default.asp?part=CCJ

There's a curved aluminium extrusion that slides sideways through the
end of a rise-and-fall arm. For jointing, you slide the aluminium
sideways. For wide planing, you lift the arm up and pass the stock
under it. It has the disadvantage that the guard doesn't spriong back
when you remove the stock, leaving an unguarded cutter, but on the
whole I prefer them.

--
Die Gotterspammerung - Junkmail of the Gods

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Andy Dingley

in reply to "Mark Jerde" on 17/10/2003 7:49 PM

17/10/2003 10:38 PM

On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 20:48:46 GMT, "Bob Davis"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>I think a set of rubber backed push blocks are essential with a jointer. If
>you don't have a pair, get some.

I'd say a set of three. Two little one-handed ones for working long
stuff, and a long two-handed one (like a rubber-soled jointer plane)
for passing short pieces through.

--
Die Gotterspammerung - Junkmail of the Gods

Sd

Silvan

in reply to "Mark Jerde" on 17/10/2003 7:49 PM

17/10/2003 6:27 PM

Mark Jerde wrote:

> woodworking. (All Jet except the Delta planer.) IMO the "Jet blue"
> clashes violently with the "Grizzly green" of my table saw & sander but I

Wal-Mart has spray paint for 88 cents a can.

Paint everything red.

--
Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan <[email protected]>
Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/

sD

[email protected] (Doug Miller)

in reply to "Mark Jerde" on 17/10/2003 7:49 PM

17/10/2003 10:25 PM

In article <[email protected]>, "Mark Jerde" <[email protected]> wrote:

>When joining the edge of a 2x4", when do you move your hands to the outfeed
>table?

When jointing *anything* I move my left hand to the outfeed table as soon as
there's one push-block-length of wood on the table. As soon as there are two
push-block-lengths of wood on the table, my right hand joins it.

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek-at-milmac-dot-com)

Mj

"Morgans"

in reply to "Mark Jerde" on 17/10/2003 7:49 PM

17/10/2003 7:00 PM


"Fly-by-Night CC" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "Mark Jerde" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Are there some good sites for learning to use the jointer
> > and still be able to do10-finger typing for the rest of my life?
>
> I don't have any site to recommend, but I'd like to offer up what I
> think is one of the most important tips.
>
> Many folks appear to push the wood down against the table & fence
> *really hard.* The problem with this is that they have so much body
> weight leaning against the jointer that if something goes wrong and the
> piece is kicked out or their hand (or pushblock) slips, they have no
> where to go but fall onto the jointer.
>
>> Owen Lowe and his Fly-by-Night Copper Company

Right. Also, I teach my students to keep a couple fingers, or part of the
hand over the top of the fence, so if a board does "leave", their weight, or
pressure, will be caught by the fence, without the need to react.
--
Jim in NC


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