On Tue, 12 May 2009 12:26:26 -0700, evodawg <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Tom Watson wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 12 May 2009 13:54:38 -0500, Steve Turner
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>>What does that have to do with anything? I work every day among people
>>>having the highest academic credentials and that hasn't stopped the vast
>>>majority of them from being blithering idiots
>>
>>
>> So, there is an inverse correlation between education level and
>> intelligence?
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Tom Watson
>> http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/
>
>
>1/2 of the folks in so called "Higher Education," (not sure that's what I'd
>call it these days) shouldn't be there! The other 1/4 are there because
>they have no idea or were forced into it. The last 1/4 have a clue. I'm
>convinced that 2/3 have no common sense. I see and deal with these "Higher
>Educated" everyday, and sometimes I want to to the V8 thing and knock them
>in the head.
So, the M.D. is less useful to us when we are ill than the high school
dropout who posseses 'common sense'?
Regards,
Tom Watson
http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/
"Bruce" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>>
>
> Higher education, at a minimum, just means you can be trained.
>
> -BR
>
Well I think I know where you are going with that statement however I have
seen plenty with a higher education that could not be trained.
IMHO a higher education simply means you are more educated, that does not
mean that you have the wisdom to apply what you have learned.
"Dave in Houston" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Lazlo" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> These right-wingers are going off the deep end. Hannity has the mind
>> of a seventh grader.
>
> Funny you should mention that; I don't believe he ever graduated from
> high school.
>
> Dave in Houston
And that proves Tom's point!
>
On Tue, 12 May 2009 16:51:23 -0500, Tim Daneliuk
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Can intelligence and education be inversely
>proportional? The answer is an emphatic yes, the *can*, and these
>days, often are.
>
That is not how I phrased the question.
Regards,
Tom Watson
http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/
On May 12, 12:22=A0pm, evodawg <[email protected]> wrote:
> Lazlo wrote:
> > These right-wingers are going off the deep end. =A0Hannity has the mind
> > of a seventh grader.
> > Video near the bottom of the page.
>
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/08/colbert-takes-on-hannitys_n_...
>
> Oh yeah now that's news! Right. Sorry didn't watch the video and won't.
> Huffington Post? A George Soros spinoff? Like anything on this site is
> anywhere near the truth.
Ummm, the video was just Hannity's show in an unbroken segment.
Nothing was taken out of context. How is that untruthful? If it will
make you feel better, here's the same lame segment on Fox:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,519158,00.html
That didn't make you cringe? It bothers me when someone mangles words
and uses lame logic. You must have a friend that couldn't conjure up
a good analogy or metaphor to save their life. That's Hannity.
Sorry.
The founding fathers and colonial troops were terrorists. They hid
behind trees instead of taking the bullet in the chest like a man...at
least that was the opinion of the people loyal to the king.
You shouldn't be afraid to listen/read/watch opinions from the other
side. That applies to everything in life, not just politics. It's
the only way you learn and grow.
R
On May 13, 6:21=A0am, Tom Watson <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Tue, 12 May 2009 19:28:04 -0700 (PDT), [email protected] wrote:
>
> We should not bother to send our children to college?
>
> Regards,
>
> Tom Watsonhttp://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/
Did I say that? I don't think I did. There were just some remarks
that I took as meaning people who go to college are smarter and have
more common sense than those people who don't. That ain't necessarily
true. I have met some absolutely brilliant people during my IT career
who are, at the same time, dumb as a stump--one guy, and I am serious,
couldn't tie his shoes, but if you let him loose to work on the
internals of an IMS database like nobody else people around him have
ever seen. He could do what nobody else could ever imagine (of
course, it helped that he worked at IBM as a designer of IMS). His
biggest problem was that all he oculd do was work on the internals of
an IMS database.
By all means, send your children to college but make sure they don't
get sucked into thinking so high that they start to develop circular
reasoning and then end up not functioning in this world. Like I said,
I have a couple cousins who fall into that boat.
On Tue, 12 May 2009 14:22:24 -0700, evodawg <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Tom Watson wrote:
>
>> So, the M.D. is less useful to us when we are ill than the high school
>> dropout who posseses 'common sense'?
>I doubt half of them know what they're doing.
Thank you for playing.
Regards,
Tom Watson
http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/
On May 12, 2:17=A0pm, "Dave in Houston" <[email protected]> wrote:
Why do you change the subject line to put your name in it? What
purpose does that serve?
R
On May 13, 2:22=A0pm, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
> His name was Ray Kinzler and he worked at Koppers
> in the 60s and 70s.
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>
> My dad worked for Koppers for a short time in Orrville, OH, also home
> of Smuckers.
>
> As I remember that was where they made the "sheep dip" to treat the
> bottom of wooden poles.
>
> Nasty stuff, but that was long before EPA.
>
> Lew
Wow, I remember that stuff, too!!
My dad used to buy a lot of paint from Koppers. We painted our
basement floor with some sort of red primer. I was a little guy back
then and I damn near died in there from the fumes. I was actually
puking after several hours in there. And I remember he painted the
corrogated garage roof with something call Rust Penetrating Primer
that also stunk up a storm. he then applied several coats of aqua-
colored paint that Koppers used to make to paint swimming pools with
(he got some sort of good price on it!). He built that garage in 1968
and we moved out of the house in 1978. In fact, we sold the house to
his sister who has the two cousins I talked about earlier!! They
still have never had to put another coat of pain on the roof. It is a
little faded but it has not worn off one bit.
Whatever was in that paint may have made you sick but it really
lasts!!!!
On Tue, 12 May 2009 12:54:38 -0600, Steve Turner wrote
(in article <[email protected]>):
> Tom Watson wrote:
>> On Tue, 12 May 2009 08:44:52 -0700 (PDT), Lazlo <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> These right-wingers are going off the deep end. Hannity has the mind
>>> of a seventh grader.
>>> Video near the bottom of the page.
>>> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/08/colbert-takes-on-hannitys_n_199820
>>> .html
>>
>>
>> Hannity, Limbaugh and Beck all have at least one thing in common -
>> they are uneducated gasbags.
>>
>> Not one of them has a degree beyond high school.
>
> What does that have to do with anything? I work every day among people
> having the highest academic credentials and that hasn't stopped the vast
> majority of them from being blithering idiots with no common sense
> whatsoever. Not to take anything away from those who just happen to be
> educated AND smart, but beyond establishing (on paper) that a
> well-educated person has enough wherewithal to see a task through from
> start to completion, I'm not convinced there's any correlation between
> the two.
>
>
Higher education, at a minimum, just means you can be trained.
-BR
"Tom Watson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> "And I'm too sexy for your party
> Too sexy for your party
> No way I'm disco dancing..."
How about some break dancing? :)
""<<<__ Bøb __>>>"" wrote:
> Educated or not .. I've NEVER seen anyone from the left challenge
> Rush, Shaun, O'Reilly, or Newt to a debate. Newt & Rush are
> probably two of the smartest & wisest students of politics we've
> ever seen.
As my departed mother told me when I was about 10 years old, "Son, if
you insist on playing with chicken shit, you are bound to get some on
you."
Seems to fit.
Lew
On May 12, 3:02=A0pm, "sweet sawdust" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> >> These right-wingers are going off the deep end. =A0Hannity has the min=
d
> >> of a seventh grader.
>
> > =A0 =A0Funny you should mention that; I don't believe he ever graduated=
from
> > high school.
>
> > Dave in Houston
>
> And that proves Tom's point!
>
>
I don't usually get into these conversations but my father never had
the money nor the time to go to college but he taught himself drafting
and calculus and physics and many aspects of mechanical engineering.
He went on to get seven patents for devices still used today in both
blast furnaces and coke ovens. He could build or make anything, many
times making parts for tractors or cars or whatever that were better
than the originals. And he even had, *gasp*, common sense.
I have two cousins, on the other hand, who went to college and
received extremely good grades. You could ask one of them to find a
sentence in a huge textbook and he could almost turn to the exact page
in the first try. Neither could hold a job as they did not have the
intelligence to apply what they learned and neither has an ounce of
common sense.
I have run into many examples like these in my 30+ years in IT--an
industry where higher education is expected but some of the best were
never good students and some did not even have a four-year college
degree.
I think that is what some people are trying to say.
""<<<__ Bøb __>>>"" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Educated or not .. I've NEVER seen anyone from the left challenge Rush,
> Shaun, O'Reilly, or Newt to a debate. Newt & Rush are probably two of
> the smartest & wisest students of politics we've ever seen.
Let me start of by saying that I am not at all left. If there were no
person or persons on the left that were not up to the challenge of any of
those you mentioned, there would not be any point for those you mentioned
to be on radio. Those you mentioned seem to get in to some kind of lather
just talking to the common folk. These guys are simply entertainers.
On May 13, 11:53=A0am, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
> Whenever I left USX in 1999, the Fairless Works was still pouring
> molten steel from ladles but I think that plant has since closed. =A0The
> closest plant I know of is the USS Gary Works but it is not so basic
> anymore.
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>
> The last blast furnace in Cleveland was dismantled in 2004-2005 time
> frame and had been out of service prior to that for some time.
>
> Lew
I am curious again, so I will try to ask my mother. Thing is, she
went to all those dinners and never knew what they were talking
about. I grew up in the era where if the old man didn't want to talk
about something, you sure as hell didn't ask. I ventured the question
a couple times over the years but I was met with eriee silence each
time. Who knows? Maybe she has some documents someplace. I think I
recal asking her about this after she moved out of the house after my
dad died and she said she had no clue and if there were any documents,
she had no clue as to where they would be.
I remember him gong to Cleveland a lot in the late-60's early-70's.
On May 13, 6:21=A0am, Tom Watson <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Tue, 12 May 2009 19:28:04 -0700 (PDT), [email protected] wrote:
>
> We should not bother to send our children to college?
>
> Regards,
>
> Tom Watsonhttp://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/
By the way, this is a tough question.
If India and China and Russia produce capable, college-educated people
who are willing to work for 1/10th of what we need to survive on in
this country, is college really worth it here? Education costs are
rising incredibly fast but the payoff isn't there anymore.
I am not saying we should not have our kids go to college; I am using
the aforementioned circular reasoning to ask if it truly is worth it
financially speaking?
I guess I am saying something needs to be done to right the ship
because medium and large companies scour the earth now for slave labor
it seems. Plus the huge deficits that were started by the last
Administration and continued even worse with the current one makes me
extremely fearful for my children and grandchildren and even
further.
On May 13, 12:19=A0am, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
> He went on to get seven patents for devices still used today in both
> blast furnaces and coke ovens.
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>
> Having spent some time in the steel mills of this country, including
> coke plants (If God ever decides to give the world an enema, he stick
> the hose in a coke plant) and blast furnaces, just curious what
> devices did your father get patented.
>
> BTW, are there any basic mills still in operation these days?
>
> Lew
Lew,
My father did not like to talk about those achievements. I think he
was secretly pissed off that even though he received patents for the
things he designed, they were the property of Koppers, Inc and he
never got much because of them beside a nice dinner and an award. No
monetary kickbacks at all. During his tenture there, he saw people
pass him up financally and professionally simply because they had the
college degree that always eluded him.
His family did not have any money at all to send him to college back
inthe early-50's and his father was dying of cancer, so he just
plodded away helping them as much as he could. He got married, had
five kids, lost two, and toiled all day at work and came home to tend
20 acres where he supplemented his income by growing fruit and
vegetables to sell. He neither had the time nor the money to continue
college but that was life.
All I know is he invented the rail and cart mechanisim that dumped the
coal and whatnot into a coke oven but that is all I really know
because, like I said, he never talked about it. And I can't ask him
about it because he died ten years ago and didn't even want to talk
about it then. All I know is my mother has seven plastic cubes with
old silver dollars in them with a plaque that more-or-less says "In
Recognition Of Work Performed..."
I wish I could say more than that.
Whenever I left USX in 1999, the Fairless Works was still pouring
molten steel from ladles but I think that plant has since closed. The
closest plant I know of is the USS Gary Works but it is not so basic
anymore.
On Wed, 13 May 2009 01:03:29 -0500, "todd" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>I'd say it would be more accurate to say that there is little to no
>correlation.
"And I'm too sexy for your party
Too sexy for your party
No way I'm disco dancing..."
Regards,
Tom Watson
http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/
On Tue, 12 May 2009 13:54:38 -0500, Steve Turner
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>What does that have to do with anything? I work every day among people
>having the highest academic credentials and that hasn't stopped the vast
>majority of them from being blithering idiots
So, there is an inverse correlation between education level and
intelligence?
Regards,
Tom Watson
http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/
Leon wrote:
> "Tim Daneliuk" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Tom Watson wrote:
>>> On Tue, 12 May 2009 13:54:38 -0500, Steve Turner
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>
>>>
>> There certainly can be. 'Ever taken a course from the Education
>> department of your university. It is almost inevitably the most
>> foolish, useless, and anti-intellectual drivel you'll encounter - and
>> they hand out Ph.Ds in this stuff. Then there's the entire horizon of
>> Victim's Studies in various drag - again, deeply anti-intellectual.
>
> Hey! Just because it was way over your head which apparently is why you
> describe it to be foolish, useless and anti intellectual drivel, does not
> mean that those that did understand the course did not gain knowledge from
> it.
>
>> Education does not equal knowledge
>
> Actually it does.
>
> nor does it equal wisdom, insight,
> thoughtfulness, discernment, or truth.
>
> That is correct.
>
> This is all the more the case
>> these days wherein the academy has been turned into a madrassah for
>> 1960s intellectual children and their silly little followers.
>> In my experience (both many years within the academy and many outside
>> it), the average plumber is way brighter than the average university
>> professor ... and the former produces a considerably more important
>> work product on average ...
>
> I believe that because you do not know the definitions of some of the words
> that you mentioned above that most of what you have just said is drivel.
>
>
>
>
>
Funny, no one thought it was "over my head" nor that I didn't understand
the words I used when I was teaching grad school ... I guess you know
better...
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<[email protected]> wrote:
====================================
Whenever I left USX in 1999, the Fairless Works was still pouring
molten steel from ladles but I think that plant has since closed. The
closest plant I know of is the USS Gary Works but it is not so basic
anymore.
==================================
The last blast furnace in Cleveland was dismantled in 2004-2005 time
frame and had been out of service prior to that for some time.
Lew
[email protected] wrote:
> On May 12, 3:02 pm, "sweet sawdust" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>>>> These right-wingers are going off the deep end. Hannity has the mind
>>>> of a seventh grader.
>>> Funny you should mention that; I don't believe he ever graduated from
>>> high school.
>>> Dave in Houston
>> And that proves Tom's point!
>>
>>
> I don't usually get into these conversations but my father never had
> the money nor the time to go to college but he taught himself drafting
> and calculus and physics and many aspects of mechanical engineering.
> He went on to get seven patents for devices still used today in both
> blast furnaces and coke ovens. He could build or make anything, many
> times making parts for tractors or cars or whatever that were better
> than the originals. And he even had, *gasp*, common sense.
>
> I have two cousins, on the other hand, who went to college and
> received extremely good grades. You could ask one of them to find a
> sentence in a huge textbook and he could almost turn to the exact page
> in the first try. Neither could hold a job as they did not have the
> intelligence to apply what they learned and neither has an ounce of
> common sense.
>
> I have run into many examples like these in my 30+ years in IT--an
> industry where higher education is expected but some of the best were
> never good students and some did not even have a four-year college
> degree.
>
> I think that is what some people are trying to say.
Your experiences are an almost exact parallel to my own. Very well
said; thank you.
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Tom Watson wrote:
> On Tue, 12 May 2009 08:44:52 -0700 (PDT), Lazlo <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> These right-wingers are going off the deep end. Hannity has the mind
>> of a seventh grader.
>> Video near the bottom of the page.
>> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/08/colbert-takes-on-hannitys_n_199820.html
>
>
> Hannity, Limbaugh and Beck all have at least one thing in common -
> they are uneducated gasbags.
>
> Not one of them has a degree beyond high school.
What does that have to do with anything? I work every day among people
having the highest academic credentials and that hasn't stopped the vast
majority of them from being blithering idiots with no common sense
whatsoever. Not to take anything away from those who just happen to be
educated AND smart, but beyond establishing (on paper) that a
well-educated person has enough wherewithal to see a task through from
start to completion, I'm not convinced there's any correlation between
the two.
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<[email protected]> wrote:
=============================
I remember him gong to Cleveland a lot in the late-60's early-70's.
=================================
At that point in time USX was gone; however, Republic was on one side
of the river, J&L (Later to become LTV) was on the other.
Not sure what is left today.
Haven't sailed on Lake Erie in 20 years, so don't have a clue if any
of the ore boat fleets are left, but without an integrated mill to
feed, there is little need for ore to be brought down from the U/P,
thus little need for ore boats.
Lew
.
Lazlo wrote:
> These right-wingers are going off the deep end. Hannity has the mind
> of a seventh grader.
> Video near the bottom of the page.
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/08/colbert-takes-on-hannitys_n_199820.html
>
Just to add some fuel, a study by The Ohio State University found that
conservatives tend to believe that Colbert means what he says and that
he dislikes liberalism. See
http://hij.sagepub.com/cgi/content/abstract/14/2/212
Dang those commie universities.
;-)
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news:3f4d7f0d-3f3f-4395-aaf1-e5333b87c272@r34g2000vbi.googlegroups.com...
On May 12, 2:17 pm, "Dave in Houston" <[email protected]> wrote:
Why do you change the subject line to put your name in it? What
purpose does that serve?
The subject line on MY post reads "Re: Colbert Explains Hannity's "Liberty
Tree" Video" on my ATT-Yahoo newsreader. What does it read on yours?
Dave in Houston
"Tom Watson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Tue, 12 May 2009 13:54:38 -0500, Steve Turner
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>
>>What does that have to do with anything? I work every day among people
>>having the highest academic credentials and that hasn't stopped the vast
>>majority of them from being blithering idiots
>
>
> So, there is an inverse correlation between education level and
> intelligence?
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Tom Watson
> http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/
I'd say it would be more accurate to say that there is little to no
correlation.
todd
"jo4hn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Lazlo wrote:
>> These right-wingers are going off the deep end. Hannity has the mind
>> of a seventh grader.
>> Video near the bottom of the page.
>> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/08/colbert-takes-on-hannitys_n_199820.html
>>
> Just to add some fuel, a study by The Ohio State University found that
> conservatives tend to believe that Colbert means what he says and that he
> dislikes liberalism. See
> http://hij.sagepub.com/cgi/content/abstract/14/2/212
>
> Dang those commie universities.
> ;-)
Even my Kid and his friends think of Colbert as a joke. They love him and
support all of his wierd causes because it is so funny to them, space
station Colbert was a favorite.
Drew Lawson wrote:
> In article <e4ceee93-8d2a-4f02-a96e-1a85e36c36ff@o30g2000vbc.googlegroups.com>
> Hoosierpopi <[email protected]> writes:
>> Wow, everyone on tis list is intelligent, possessed of "common sense"
>> and quite discerning. What a piece of work is man.
>>
>
> rec.woodworking.wobegon, where all woodworkers are above average.
>
Here, Here...
On May 13, 12:19=A0am, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
> He went on to get seven patents for devices still used today in both
> blast furnaces and coke ovens.
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>
> Having spent some time in the steel mills of this country, including
> coke plants (If God ever decides to give the world an enema, he stick
> the hose in a coke plant) and blast furnaces, just curious what
> devices did your father get patented.
>
> BTW, are there any basic mills still in operation these days?
>
> Lew
Thanks to Old Man Scalon, I got a link to search patents in Google and
I have found some. His name was Ray Kinzler and he worked at Koppers
in the 60s and 70s. I found many more than seven...now I wonder which
ones he got those seven awards for? I may need to see the dates on
them and match them to the dates on these patents.
http://www.google.com/patents?id=3DdTQwAAAAEBAJ&dq=3Dkoppers+kinzler
http://www.google.com/patents?id=3DCOMyAAAAEBAJ&dq=3Dkoppers+kinzler
http://www.google.com/patents?id=3Dg2YzAAAAEBAJ&dq=3Dkoppers+kinzler
http://www.google.com/patents?id=3DF_w6AAAAEBAJ&dq=3Dkoppers+kinzler
http://www.google.com/patents?id=3DcyQ8AAAAEBAJ&dq=3Dkoppers+kinzler
http://www.google.com/patents?id=3DGms4AAAAEBAJ&dq=3Dkoppers+kinzler
http://www.google.com/patents?id=3DnZI1AAAAEBAJ&dq=3Dkoppers+kinzler
On May 12, 7:06=A0pm, "<<<__ B=F8b __>>>" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Educated or not .. I've NEVER seen anyone from the left challenge Rush,
> Shaun, O'Reilly, or Newt to a debate. =A0 Newt & Rush are probably two of
> the smartest & wisest students of politics we've ever seen.
>
>
Astounding!
<<<__ Bøb __>>> wrote:
> Educated or not .. I've NEVER seen anyone from the left challenge Rush,
> Shaun, O'Reilly, or Newt to a debate. Newt & Rush are probably two of
> the smartest & wisest students of politics we've ever seen.
>
>
>>
Newt is legitimately a historian. Rush is ... mildly entertaining, and
certainly not wise or smart (and I sometimes even agree with him).
You want "wise" or "smart", you read Locke, Jefferson, Sam/John Adams,
Van Hayek, Rand, Heinlein ....
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> By all means, send your children to college but make sure they don't
> get sucked into thinking so high that they start to develop circular
> reasoning and then end up not functioning in this world.
Yeah, or else they may end up as obscenely overpaid CEO's who walk around
100% of the time an attitude of entitlement, but contribute nothing else.
Alternatively, they may end up like Tim Daneliuk who is highly intelligent,
but contributes nothing, gives nothing back and spends his whole day whining
about how the system is costing him.
On May 12, 10:50=A0pm, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
> ""<<<__ B=F8b __>>>"" <[email protected]> wrote in messagenews:ChnOl.=
[email protected]...
>
> > Educated or not .. I've NEVER seen anyone from the left challenge Rush,
> > Shaun, O'Reilly, or Newt to a debate. =A0 Newt & Rush are probably two =
of
> > the smartest & wisest students of politics we've ever seen.
>
> Let me start of by saying that I am not at all left. =A0If there were no
> person or persons on the left that were not up to the challenge of any of
> those you =A0mentioned, there would not be any point for those you mentio=
ned
> to be on radio. =A0Those you mentioned seem to get in to some kind of lat=
her
> just talking to the common folk. =A0These guys are simply entertainers.
True. I don't know if anyone has challenged any of them to debates,
but from the "talks" that I've seen, the primary answer from all but
Gingrich is to get in the responder's face, scream and spray spit. Why
on earth would you try to debate someone like that? Kick them in the
nuts, yes. Debate, no.
And I'd prefer not to be included in the "we" that considers Limbaugh,
Hanritty and O'Reilly as some of the smartest and wisest students of
politics.
On May 12, 3:26=A0pm, evodawg <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> 1/2 of the folks in so called "Higher Education," (not sure that's what I=
'd
> call it these days) shouldn't be there! The other 1/4 are there because
> they have no idea or were forced into it. The last 1/4 have a clue. I'm
> convinced that 2/3 have no common sense. I see and deal with these "Highe=
r
> Educated" everyday, and sometimes I want to to the V8 thing and knock the=
m
> in the head.
Your numbers are off. It's the 80/20 rule and it's a normally
distributed population.
Did you ever notice that everyone thinks that the majority of people
are stupid but they never include themselves in that majority?
R
On Tue, 12 May 2009 08:44:52 -0700 (PDT), Lazlo <[email protected]>
wrote:
>These right-wingers are going off the deep end. Hannity has the mind
>of a seventh grader.
>Video near the bottom of the page.
>http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/08/colbert-takes-on-hannitys_n_199820.html
Hannity, Limbaugh and Beck all have at least one thing in common -
they are uneducated gasbags.
Not one of them has a degree beyond high school.
It's like the blond leading the blond.
Regards,
Tom Watson
http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/
On May 13, 3:41=A0pm, evodawg <[email protected]> wrote:
> [email protected] wrote:
> > On May 13, 12:19=A0am, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
> >> He went on to get seven patents for devices still used today in both
> >> blast furnaces and coke ovens.
> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>
> >> Having spent some time in the steel mills of this country, including
> >> coke plants (If God ever decides to give the world an enema, he stick
> >> the hose in a coke plant) and blast furnaces, just curious what
> >> devices did your father get patented.
>
> >> BTW, are there any basic mills still in operation these days?
>
> >> Lew
>
> > Thanks to Old Man Scalon, I got a link to search patents in Google and
> > I have found some. =A0His name was Ray Kinzler and he worked at Koppers
> > in the 60s and 70s. =A0I found many more than seven...now I wonder whic=
h
> > ones he got those seven awards for? =A0I may need to see the dates on
> > them and match them to the dates on these patents.
>
> >http://www.google.com/patents?id=3DdTQwAAAAEBAJ&dq=3Dkoppers+kinzler
>
> >http://www.google.com/patents?id=3DCOMyAAAAEBAJ&dq=3Dkoppers+kinzler
>
> >http://www.google.com/patents?id=3Dg2YzAAAAEBAJ&dq=3Dkoppers+kinzler
>
> >http://www.google.com/patents?id=3DF_w6AAAAEBAJ&dq=3Dkoppers+kinzler
>
> >http://www.google.com/patents?id=3DcyQ8AAAAEBAJ&dq=3Dkoppers+kinzler
>
> >http://www.google.com/patents?id=3DGms4AAAAEBAJ&dq=3Dkoppers+kinzler
>
> >http://www.google.com/patents?id=3DnZI1AAAAEBAJ&dq=3Dkoppers+kinzler
>
> Looks like your dad was a very talented individual. Very impressive
> diagrams! It is to bad he didn't benefit fully from his vision.
>
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He was an amazing person. Too bad I had to be a teenager and young
man and thought everything he did or said was stupid for so long. It
wasn't until I was seriously in my late 20s that I really saw him for
what he was. We lost him whenever I just turned 39...10-12 years just
wasn't long enough to soak up that much knowledge. Even though touchy-
feely was not in our vocabulary, I was able to truthfully tell him
that I thought he was the smartest person I had ever met in my life.
He was always a tad bitter about not being able to really cash in on
all the things he did at work and, moreso, pissed that people passed
him by just because they had a degree but he could outhink them any
day. I think if life hadn't thrown him the curves when it did, he
would have had the guts to strike out on his own and could have really
cashed in on some of those patents. I really believe that bitterness
kept him from really enjoying the accomplishments he made and surely
kept him from talking about them because he would just end up being
angry.
"Lazlo" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> These right-wingers are going off the deep end. Hannity has the mind
> of a seventh grader.
Funny you should mention that; I don't believe he ever graduated from
high school.
Dave in Houston
On May 13, 8:52=A0pm, Hoosierpopi <[email protected]> wrote:
> Wow, everyone on tis list is intelligent, possessed of "common sense"
> and quite discerning. What a piece of work is man.
Almost everybody. :)~
R
On May 12, 7:22=A0pm, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
> ""<<<__ B=F8b __>>>"" wrote:
> > Educated or not .. I've NEVER seen anyone from the left challenge
> > Rush, Shaun, O'Reilly, or Newt to a debate. =A0 Newt & Rush are
> > probably two of the smartest & wisest students of politics we've
> > ever seen.
>
> As my departed mother told me when I was about 10 years old, "Son, if
> you insist on playing with chicken shit, you are bound to get some on
> you."
>
> Seems to fit.
>
> Lew
Ach naturlich, das Hahnensheisse Fable.
Hannity still hasn't raised a nickel with his "Waterboarding For
Charity" campaign.
He wouldn't be Y E L L O W, would he?
On May 12, 3:13=A0pm, Steve Turner <[email protected]> wrote:
> RicodJour wrote:
> > On May 12, 2:17 pm, "Dave in Houston" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Why do you change the subject line to put your name in it? =A0What
> > purpose does that serve?
>
> Wha?
Uh oh. Gremlins! I think Google is fooking with the subject lines as
displayed. This is what I see as the subject line on your post:
"Discussion subject changed to "Colbert Explains Hannity's "Liberty
Tree" Video" by Steve Turner"
but the actual subject line doesn't have your name appended to it.
They're fixing something that isn't broken again....
R
Leon wrote:
> "Bruce" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>> Higher education, at a minimum, just means you can be trained.
>>
>> -BR
>>
>
> Well I think I know where you are going with that statement however I have
> seen plenty with a higher education that could not be trained.
>
> IMHO a higher education simply means you are more educated, that does not
> mean that you have the wisdom to apply what you have learned.
Nor is higher education a prerequisite for being intelligent and wise.
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Lazlo wrote:
> These right-wingers are going off the deep end. Hannity has the mind
> of a seventh grader.
> Video near the bottom of the page.
>
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/08/colbert-takes-on-hannitys_n_199820.html
Oh yeah now that's news! Right. Sorry didn't watch the video and won't.
Huffington Post? A George Soros spinoff? Like anything on this site is
anywhere near the truth.
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jo4hn wrote:
> Lazlo wrote:
>> These right-wingers are going off the deep end. Hannity has the mind
>> of a seventh grader.
>> Video near the bottom of the page.
>>
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/08/colbert-takes-on-hannitys_n_199820.html
>>
> Just to add some fuel, a study by The Ohio State University found that
> conservatives tend to believe that Colbert means what he says and that
> he dislikes liberalism. See
> http://hij.sagepub.com/cgi/content/abstract/14/2/212
>
> Dang those commie universities.
> ;-)
Think you forgot to mention this woman that wrote the report made a
appearance on PMSNBC Keith Olbermann's phony show. Geeee I wonder just how
credible she really is? Most that show up are discredit right away.
http://www.wikiality.com/The_Irony_of_Satire
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Tom Watson wrote:
> On Tue, 12 May 2009 13:54:38 -0500, Steve Turner
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>
>>What does that have to do with anything? I work every day among people
>>having the highest academic credentials and that hasn't stopped the vast
>>majority of them from being blithering idiots
>
>
> So, there is an inverse correlation between education level and
> intelligence?
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Tom Watson
> http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/
1/2 of the folks in so called "Higher Education," (not sure that's what I'd
call it these days) shouldn't be there! The other 1/4 are there because
they have no idea or were forced into it. The last 1/4 have a clue. I'm
convinced that 2/3 have no common sense. I see and deal with these "Higher
Educated" everyday, and sometimes I want to to the V8 thing and knock them
in the head.
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Tom Watson wrote:
> On Tue, 12 May 2009 12:26:26 -0700, evodawg <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>Tom Watson wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 12 May 2009 13:54:38 -0500, Steve Turner
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>What does that have to do with anything? I work every day among people
>>>>having the highest academic credentials and that hasn't stopped the vast
>>>>majority of them from being blithering idiots
>>>
>>>
>>> So, there is an inverse correlation between education level and
>>> intelligence?
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Tom Watson
>>> http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/
>>
>>
>>1/2 of the folks in so called "Higher Education," (not sure that's what
>>I'd call it these days) shouldn't be there! The other 1/4 are there
>>because they have no idea or were forced into it. The last 1/4 have a
>>clue. I'm convinced that 2/3 have no common sense. I see and deal with
>>these "Higher Educated" everyday, and sometimes I want to to the V8 thing
>>and knock them in the head.
>
>
> So, the M.D. is less useful to us when we are ill than the high school
> dropout who posseses 'common sense'?
>
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Tom Watson
> http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/
I doubt half of them know what they're doing.
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RicodJour wrote:
>
> Your numbers are off. It's the 80/20 rule and it's a normally
> distributed population.
>
> Did you ever notice that everyone thinks that the majority of people
> are stupid but they never include themselves in that majority?
>
> R
Have noticed that. You trying to make some kind of point? Have you noticed
that most cultures dislike the French?
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In article <[email protected]>
RicodJour <[email protected]> writes:
>On May 12, 3:13 pm, Steve Turner <[email protected]> wrote:
>> RicodJour wrote:
>> > On May 12, 2:17 pm, "Dave in Houston" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> > Why do you change the subject line to put your name in it? What
>> > purpose does that serve?
>>
>> Wha?
>
>Uh oh. Gremlins! I think Google is fooking with the subject lines as
>displayed. This is what I see as the subject line on your post:
>
>"Discussion subject changed to "Colbert Explains Hannity's "Liberty
>Tree" Video" by Steve Turner"
>
>but the actual subject line doesn't have your name appended to it.
>
>They're fixing something that isn't broken again....
FYI, I think you are misreading/misinterpreting that line.
It isn't:
Discussion subject changed to
"Colbert Explains Hannity's "Liberty Tree" Video by Steve Turner"
but
Discussion subject changed to
"Colbert Explains Hannity's "Liberty Tree" Video"
by Steve Turner
Steve's post dropped the "OT" from the subject line, making it the
current, slightly shorter, subject. Someone posted a while back
about why some posting software does that, but I forget the details.
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>>> Funny you should mention that; I don't believe he ever graduated from
>>> high school.
>>> Dave in Houston
[email protected] wrote:dx
> I don't usually get into these conversations but my father never had
> the money nor the time to go to college but he taught himself drafting
> and calculus and physics and many aspects of mechanical engineering.
> He went on to get seven patents for devices still used today in both
> blast furnaces and coke ovens. He could build or make anything, many
> times making parts for tractors or cars or whatever that were better
> than the originals. And he even had, *gasp*, common sense.
>
> I have two cousins, on the other hand, who went to college and
> received extremely good grades. You could ask one of them to find a
> sentence in a huge textbook and he could almost turn to the exact page
> in the first try. Neither could hold a job as they did not have the
> intelligence to apply what they learned and neither has an ounce of
> common sense.
>
> I have run into many examples like these in my 30+ years in IT--an
> industry where higher education is expected but some of the best were
> never good students and some did not even have a four-year college
> degree.
>
> I think that is what some people are trying to say.
Yabut you are saying it to idiots like your two cousins. Men like your
father don't need it said.
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[email protected] wrote:
> On May 13, 12:19Â am, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> ====================================
>> He went on to get seven patents for devices still used today in both
>> blast furnaces and coke ovens.
>> ====================================
>>
>> Having spent some time in the steel mills of this country, including
>> coke plants (If God ever decides to give the world an enema, he stick
>> the hose in a coke plant) and blast furnaces, just curious what
>> devices did your father get patented.
>>
>> BTW, are there any basic mills still in operation these days?
>>
>> Lew
>
> Thanks to Old Man Scalon, I got a link to search patents in Google and
> I have found some. His name was Ray Kinzler and he worked at Koppers
> in the 60s and 70s. I found many more than seven...now I wonder which
> ones he got those seven awards for? I may need to see the dates on
> them and match them to the dates on these patents.
>
>
>
> http://www.google.com/patents?id=dTQwAAAAEBAJ&dq=koppers+kinzler
>
> http://www.google.com/patents?id=COMyAAAAEBAJ&dq=koppers+kinzler
>
> http://www.google.com/patents?id=g2YzAAAAEBAJ&dq=koppers+kinzler
>
> http://www.google.com/patents?id=F_w6AAAAEBAJ&dq=koppers+kinzler
>
> http://www.google.com/patents?id=cyQ8AAAAEBAJ&dq=koppers+kinzler
>
> http://www.google.com/patents?id=Gms4AAAAEBAJ&dq=koppers+kinzler
>
> http://www.google.com/patents?id=nZI1AAAAEBAJ&dq=koppers+kinzler
Looks like your dad was a very talented individual. Very impressive
diagrams! It is to bad he didn't benefit fully from his vision.
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In article <e4ceee93-8d2a-4f02-a96e-1a85e36c36ff@o30g2000vbc.googlegroups.com>
Hoosierpopi <[email protected]> writes:
>Wow, everyone on tis list is intelligent, possessed of "common sense"
>and quite discerning. What a piece of work is man.
>
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RicodJour wrote:
> On May 12, 2:17 pm, "Dave in Houston" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Why do you change the subject line to put your name in it? What
> purpose does that serve?
Wha?
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Tom Watson wrote:
> On Tue, 12 May 2009 13:54:38 -0500, Steve Turner
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>> What does that have to do with anything? I work every day among people
>> having the highest academic credentials and that hasn't stopped the vast
>> majority of them from being blithering idiots
>
>
> So, there is an inverse correlation between education level and
> intelligence?
>
>
There certainly can be. 'Ever taken a course from the Education
department of your university. It is almost inevitably the most
foolish, useless, and anti-intellectual drivel you'll encounter - and
they hand out Ph.Ds in this stuff. Then there's the entire horizon of
Victim's Studies in various drag - again, deeply anti-intellectual.
Education does not equal knowledge nor does it equal wisdom, insight,
thoughtfulness, discernment, or truth. This is all the more the case
these days wherein the academy has been turned into a madrassah for
1960s intellectual children and their silly little followers.
In my experience (both many years within the academy and many outside
it), the average plumber is way brighter than the average university
professor ... and the former produces a considerably more important
work product on average ...
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Tom Watson wrote:
> On Tue, 12 May 2009 12:26:26 -0700, evodawg <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> Tom Watson wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 12 May 2009 13:54:38 -0500, Steve Turner
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> What does that have to do with anything? I work every day among people
>>>> having the highest academic credentials and that hasn't stopped the vast
>>>> majority of them from being blithering idiots
>>>
>>> So, there is an inverse correlation between education level and
>>> intelligence?
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Tom Watson
>>> http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/
>>
>> 1/2 of the folks in so called "Higher Education," (not sure that's what I'd
>> call it these days) shouldn't be there! The other 1/4 are there because
>> they have no idea or were forced into it. The last 1/4 have a clue. I'm
>> convinced that 2/3 have no common sense. I see and deal with these "Higher
>> Educated" everyday, and sometimes I want to to the V8 thing and knock them
>> in the head.
>
>
> So, the M.D. is less useful to us when we are ill than the high school
> dropout who posseses 'common sense'?
>
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Tom Watson
> http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/
An absurd comparison. A *competent* M.D. is most useful when you are
ill. A *competent* plumber is similarly useful when your exterior
sewer pipe snaps at the building entrance (DAMHIKT). There is no shame
in working with either hands or head (or both), but we're responding
to your earlier question: Can intelligence and education be inversely
proportional? The answer is an emphatic yes, the *can*, and these
days, often are.
I was educated both in the academy and at the end of the boot of some
tough working guys in the trades. Each had its merits. The tradesmen
taught me a work ethic. The academics taught me how to think
abstractly. Among the academics, the scientists, philosophers,
mathematicians, and theologians were my most compelling professors
(with the theologians being far and away the broadest and smartest of
the bunch). The professional educators were the worst of the bunch. By
observation, a lot of the academics in the fuzzy studies (sociology,
clinical psychology, hyphenated Americanism, revisionist History, and
so on) were nothing more than political drones doing no real research
and teaching nothing of note. They more-or-less just mounted a nonstop
assault on truth, beauty, learning, and knowledge. The various
"theory" schools also did their part (deconstructionism,
post-modernism, post-structuralism). The best way I can think of to
clean the mess up in the modern academy is to remove all public
funding from them. Parents will be disinclined to pay several
thousands of dollars for a course in Post-Structuralist Feminist
Theory or Amerikkka The Agressor, and other similar "classes"
(speaking of sewers ...)
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On Tue, 12 May 2009 19:28:04 -0700 (PDT), [email protected] wrote:
We should not bother to send our children to college?
Regards,
Tom Watson
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"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> ""<<<__ Bøb __>>>"" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Educated or not .. I've NEVER seen anyone from the left challenge Rush,
>> Shaun, O'Reilly, or Newt to a debate. Newt & Rush are probably two of
>> the smartest & wisest students of politics we've ever seen.
>
>
> Let me start of by saying that I am not at all left. If there were no
> person or persons on the left that were not up to the challenge of any of
> those you mentioned, there would not be any point for those you mentioned
> to be on radio. Those you mentioned seem to get in to some kind of lather
> just talking to the common folk. These guys are simply entertainers.
Not always. I find them rather boring at times
>
>
On Wed, 13 May 2009 11:50:59 -0500, "Upscale" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>"Tom Watson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> "And I'm too sexy for your party
>> Too sexy for your party
>> No way I'm disco dancing..."
>
>How about some break dancing? :)
>
Have some respect.
That was the text of Arlen Spectre's resignation note to the head of
the RNC.
Regards,
Tom Watson
http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/
<[email protected]> wrote:
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He went on to get seven patents for devices still used today in both
blast furnaces and coke ovens.
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Having spent some time in the steel mills of this country, including
coke plants (If God ever decides to give the world an enema, he stick
the hose in a coke plant) and blast furnaces, just curious what
devices did your father get patented.
BTW, are there any basic mills still in operation these days?
Lew
"Tim Daneliuk" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Tom Watson wrote:
>> On Tue, 12 May 2009 13:54:38 -0500, Steve Turner
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
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>>
>>
>
> There certainly can be. 'Ever taken a course from the Education
> department of your university. It is almost inevitably the most
> foolish, useless, and anti-intellectual drivel you'll encounter - and
> they hand out Ph.Ds in this stuff. Then there's the entire horizon of
> Victim's Studies in various drag - again, deeply anti-intellectual.
Hey! Just because it was way over your head which apparently is why you
describe it to be foolish, useless and anti intellectual drivel, does not
mean that those that did understand the course did not gain knowledge from
it.
>
> Education does not equal knowledge
Actually it does.
nor does it equal wisdom, insight,
thoughtfulness, discernment, or truth.
That is correct.
This is all the more the case
> these days wherein the academy has been turned into a madrassah for
> 1960s intellectual children and their silly little followers.
> In my experience (both many years within the academy and many outside
> it), the average plumber is way brighter than the average university
> professor ... and the former produces a considerably more important
> work product on average ...
I believe that because you do not know the definitions of some of the words
that you mentioned above that most of what you have just said is drivel.
<[email protected]> wrote:
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His name was Ray Kinzler and he worked at Koppers
in the 60s and 70s.
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My dad worked for Koppers for a short time in Orrville, OH, also home
of Smuckers.
As I remember that was where they made the "sheep dip" to treat the
bottom of wooden poles.
Nasty stuff, but that was long before EPA.
Lew