Does anyone know if there are pattern bits available with a 1/2" shank
that have shorter cutting lengths? All of the "standard" bit
manufacturers seem to start their cutting lengths at 1" for the 1/2"
shanks. Unfortunately, this won't do for my project as my template is
1/2" and I need to route out less than 1/2" from the work piece. I
would like to stick with 1/2" shanks if possible, to avoid having to
change my collet and because 1/2" shanks are sturdier.
I did find one set from Pat Warner, but the set is spendy and I really
only need one bit (I already have longer pattern bits)
Thanks,
Mark
On Apr 9, 6:11 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Apr 9, 4:03 pm, dpb <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Mark wrote:
> > > Does anyone know if there are pattern bits available with a 1/2" shank
> > > that have shorter cutting lengths? All of the "standard" bit
> > > manufacturers seem to start their cutting lengths at 1" for the 1/2"
> > > shanks. Unfortunately, this won't do for my project as my template is
> > > 1/2" and I need to route out less than 1/2" from the work piece. ...
>
> > Surely there are, but ottomh I don't have a specific vendor.
>
> > Why not just add a spacer between the template and the workpiece?
>
> > --
>
> A spacer is a decent plan B, but I would like to avoid it if I can.
> The reason is that I will be template routing two sides of the
> workpiece in order to create a fancy tenon for a slip mortise. For
> this to work, the template must be in exactly the same place on both
> sides of the workpiece, which is much easier to line up without a
> spacer.
Hmm, are the edges of the tenon undercut?
Then I understand your difficulty and using the template to make
a thicker template, or a custom shim seems to be the way to go.
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FF
On Apr 9, 5:47 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote:
> Does anyone know if there are pattern bits available with a 1/2" shank
> that have shorter cutting lengths? All of the "standard" bit
> manufacturers seem to start their cutting lengths at 1" for the 1/2"
> shanks. Unfortunately, this won't do for my project as my template is
> 1/2" and I need to route out less than 1/2" from the work piece. I
> would like to stick with 1/2" shanks if possible, to avoid having to
> change my collet and because 1/2" shanks are sturdier.
>
> I did find one set from Pat Warner, but the set is spendy and I really
> only need one bit (I already have longer pattern bits)
>
> Thanks,
> Mark
> Hey, Joe...wrong sort of collet...as far as I know, there are no routers
> that use ER-xx collets. I think that all router makers use proprietary
> collets...could be mistaken on that, tho.
I always thought that too, but a sign manufacturer next to our shop has a
big router table he uses on everything from woods and plastics to
aluminum... And it has an ER32 collet system. Kinda cool...
But when he said 1/2" shank, I figured it might just be ER20 since their
maximum holding size is 1/2" or 13mm
--
Regards,
Joe Agro, Jr.
(800) 871-5022
01.908.542.0244
Automatic / Pneumatic Drills: http://www.AutoDrill.com
Multiple Spindle Drills: http://www.Multi-Drill.com
V8013-R
Freud has one that starts at 1/2" long with 1/2" shank.
http://www.freudtools.com/p-128-bearing-flush-trim-bits.aspx
Mark wrote:
> Does anyone know if there are pattern bits available with a 1/2" shank
> that have shorter cutting lengths? All of the "standard" bit
> manufacturers seem to start their cutting lengths at 1" for the 1/2"
> shanks. Unfortunately, this won't do for my project as my template is
> 1/2" and I need to route out less than 1/2" from the work piece. I
> would like to stick with 1/2" shanks if possible, to avoid having to
> change my collet and because 1/2" shanks are sturdier.
>
> I did find one set from Pat Warner, but the set is spendy and I really
> only need one bit (I already have longer pattern bits)
>
> Thanks,
> Mark
On Apr 9, 5:47 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote:
> Does anyone know if there are pattern bits available with a 1/2" shank
> that have shorter cutting lengths? All of the "standard" bit
> manufacturers seem to start their cutting lengths at 1" for the 1/2"
> shanks. Unfortunately, this won't do for my project as my template is
> 1/2" and I need to route out less than 1/2" from the work piece. I
> would like to stick with 1/2" shanks if possible, to avoid having to
> change my collet and because 1/2" shanks are sturdier.
>
> I did find one set from Pat Warner, but the set is spendy and I really
> only need one bit (I already have longer pattern bits)
>
I'm not sure I understand the problem.
There are two types of pattern bits, those with the bearing
at the top near the collet and those with the bearing on the tip.
The top bearing bits can be used to route a thin workpiece
on a router table by putting the pattern UNDER the workpiece.
on top of the pattern on TOP of the workpiece. The extra
cutting length extends above the workpiece. OR the
same bit can be used with a hand-held router to route
a thin workpiece under the template by putting a suitably
thick piece of sacrificial material under the workpiece.
Though sacrificial, the 'shim' could probably be reused
many times.
The type with the bearing on the tip could be used on
a router table by putting the pattern on top of the workpiece
and with a hand router by putting the pattern below, using a
shim if the bearing rubs on the worktop.
In both cases using the shortest bit that will do the job
will help with accuracy and safety.
--
FF
On Apr 10, 7:14=A0am, "Joe AutoDrill" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Mark" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:fab50107-0124-42a7-972a-93c457e4978d@p39g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Does anyone know if there are pattern bits available with a1/2"shank
> > that have shorter cutting lengths? =A0All of the "standard" bit
> > manufacturers seem to start their cutting lengths at 1" for the1/2"
> > shanks. =A0Unfortunately, this won't do for my project as my template is=
> >1/2" and I need to route out less than1/2" from the work piece. =A0I
> > would like to stick with1/2" shanks if possible, to avoid having to
> > change my collet and because1/2" shanks are sturdier.
>
> > I did find one set from Pat Warner, but the set is spendy and I really
> > only need one bit (I already have longer pattern bits)
>
> > Thanks,
> > Mark
>
> Mark,
>
> What type of collet is it? =A0ER by any chance? =A0If so, probably ER20?
>
> Collets are around $30... =A0Might pay to get a collet rather than new bit=
s...
> Maybe?
>
> Regards,
> Joe Agro, Jr.
> (800) 871-5022
> 01.908.542.0244
> Automatic / Pneumatic Drills:http://www.AutoDrill.com
> Multiple Spindle Drills:http://www.Multi-Drill.com
>
> V8013-R
I actually already have a 1/4" collet for my handheld router. I
simply wanted to stick to 1/2" shank bits if possible, as I find them
to be a little more sturdy.
Thanks for all the advice. I think I will likely use a 1/4" shank bit
with a different collet, rather than creating a thicker template.
Mark
"Mark" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:fab50107-0124-42a7-972a-93c457e4978d@p39g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
> Does anyone know if there are pattern bits available with a 1/2" shank
> that have shorter cutting lengths? All of the "standard" bit
> manufacturers seem to start their cutting lengths at 1" for the 1/2"
> shanks. Unfortunately, this won't do for my project as my template is
> 1/2" and I need to route out less than 1/2" from the work piece. I
> would like to stick with 1/2" shanks if possible, to avoid having to
> change my collet and because 1/2" shanks are sturdier.
>
> I did find one set from Pat Warner, but the set is spendy and I really
> only need one bit (I already have longer pattern bits)
>
> Thanks,
> Mark
Mark,
What type of collet is it? ER by any chance? If so, probably ER20?
Collets are around $30... Might pay to get a collet rather than new bits...
Maybe?
Regards,
Joe Agro, Jr.
(800) 871-5022
01.908.542.0244
Automatic / Pneumatic Drills: http://www.AutoDrill.com
Multiple Spindle Drills: http://www.Multi-Drill.com
V8013-R
On Apr 9, 4:03=A0pm, dpb <[email protected]> wrote:
> Mark wrote:
> > Does anyone know if there are pattern bits available with a 1/2" shank
> > that have shorter cutting lengths? =A0All of the "standard" bit
> > manufacturers seem to start their cutting lengths at 1" for the 1/2"
> > shanks. =A0Unfortunately, this won't do for my project as my template is=
> > 1/2" and I need to route out less than 1/2" from the work piece. =A0...
>
> Surely there are, but ottomh I don't have a specific vendor.
>
> Why not just add a spacer between the template and the workpiece?
>
> --
A spacer is a decent plan B, but I would like to avoid it if I can.
The reason is that I will be template routing two sides of the
workpiece in order to create a fancy tenon for a slip mortise. For
this to work, the template must be in exactly the same place on both
sides of the workpiece, which is much easier to line up without a
spacer.
Mark wrote:
> Does anyone know if there are pattern bits available with a 1/2" shank
> that have shorter cutting lengths? All of the "standard" bit
> manufacturers seem to start their cutting lengths at 1" for the 1/2"
> shanks. Unfortunately, this won't do for my project as my template is
> 1/2" and I need to route out less than 1/2" from the work piece. ...
Surely there are, but ottomh I don't have a specific vendor.
Why not just add a spacer between the template and the workpiece?
--
Mark wrote:
> On Apr 9, 4:03 pm, dpb <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Mark wrote:
>>> Does anyone know if there are pattern bits available with a 1/2" shank
>>> that have shorter cutting lengths? All of the "standard" bit
>>> manufacturers seem to start their cutting lengths at 1" for the 1/2"
>>> shanks. Unfortunately, this won't do for my project as my template is
>>> 1/2" and I need to route out less than 1/2" from the work piece. ...
>> Surely there are, but ottomh I don't have a specific vendor.
>>
>> Why not just add a spacer between the template and the workpiece?
>>
>> --
>
> A spacer is a decent plan B, but I would like to avoid it if I can.
> The reason is that I will be template routing two sides of the
> workpiece in order to create a fancy tenon for a slip mortise. For
> this to work, the template must be in exactly the same place on both
> sides of the workpiece, which is much easier to line up without a
> spacer.
No more difficult if the spacer is affixed permanently to the template.
Actually, what I probably would do would be to use the template to cut
the spacer to in essence make a thicker template.
--
--
>> Hey, Joe...wrong sort of collet...as far as I know, there are no routers
>> that use ER-xx collets. I think that all router makers use proprietary
>> collets...could be mistaken on that, tho.
>
> I always thought that too, but a sign manufacturer next to our shop has a
> big router table he uses on everything from woods and plastics to
> aluminum... And it has an ER32 collet system. Kinda cool...
>
> But when he said 1/2" shank, I figured it might just be ER20 since their
> maximum holding size is 1/2" or 13mm
> --
>
>
> Regards,
> Joe Agro, Jr.
> (800) 871-5022
> 01.908.542.0244
> Automatic / Pneumatic Drills: http://www.AutoDrill.com
> Multiple Spindle Drills: http://www.Multi-Drill.com
>
> V8013-R
Now THAT would be router that I'd love to play with.
Mike
>> Does anyone know if there are pattern bits available with a 1/2" shank
>> that have shorter cutting lengths? All of the "standard" bit
>> manufacturers seem to start their cutting lengths at 1" for the 1/2"
>> shanks. Unfortunately, this won't do for my project as my template is
>> 1/2" and I need to route out less than 1/2" from the work piece. I
>> would like to stick with 1/2" shanks if possible, to avoid having to
>> change my collet and because 1/2" shanks are sturdier.
>>
>> I did find one set from Pat Warner, but the set is spendy and I really
>> only need one bit (I already have longer pattern bits)
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Mark
>
> Mark,
>
> What type of collet is it? ER by any chance? If so, probably ER20?
>
> Collets are around $30... Might pay to get a collet rather than new
> bits... Maybe?
>
> Regards,
> Joe Agro, Jr.
> (800) 871-5022
> 01.908.542.0244
> Automatic / Pneumatic Drills: http://www.AutoDrill.com
> Multiple Spindle Drills: http://www.Multi-Drill.com
>
> V8013-R
Hey, Joe...wrong sort of collet...as far as I know, there are no routers
that use ER-xx collets. I think that all router makers use proprietary
collets...could be mistaken on that, tho.
Mike
I had a similar problem and solved it with a hinge template bit. I
bought it at my local Rockler and it's similar to this one except it has
the top bearing on the 1/4" shank. I didn't find the exact one on their
website.
http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?Offerings_ID=64&TabSelect=Details
Art
"Mark" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:fab50107-0124-42a7-972a-93c457e4978d@p39g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
> Does anyone know if there are pattern bits available with a 1/2" shank
> that have shorter cutting lengths? All of the "standard" bit
> manufacturers seem to start their cutting lengths at 1" for the 1/2"
> shanks. Unfortunately, this won't do for my project as my template is
> 1/2" and I need to route out less than 1/2" from the work piece. I
> would like to stick with 1/2" shanks if possible, to avoid having to
> change my collet and because 1/2" shanks are sturdier.
>
> I did find one set from Pat Warner, but the set is spendy and I really
> only need one bit (I already have longer pattern bits)
>
> Thanks,
> Mark