This was a small, in-house, job to refresh an older (1945/1990/remod)
home, taken in on a trade for a new home, before putting it back on the
market.
The kitchen was part of a 3 bath/kitchen remodel, and the idea was to be
"inexpensive", but not cheap (To be honest, I was perfectly happy with
the old kitchen, but the preponderance of estrogen involved weighed in
said to "just shut up and do it!").
Including the appliances, I did more recycling of kitchen parts in this
one job than I've ever done in any building project ... stuff that
normally goes into the dumpster, went right back into the kitchen.
Because of being an older home, that was remodeled (badly) in 1990,
there were a lot of "gotcha's" and necessary "making of lemonade",
(including the difference in floor height between the kitchen and living
room that was previously hidden by a 16' long "L" shaped peninsula (not
shown) which, and until we removed it, its sole purpose was apparently
to hide that heretofore hidden "feature"
... you never know what your are going to uncover. NEVER :)
Anyway, somehow managed to tie the old and new in the kitchen together
in a tolerable manner (Thanks to SketchUP) ... and let's hope a
prospective buyer thinks so:
https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/EWoodshopKitchenRemodel2012#
<Just passed the final kitchen plumbing and electrical this afternoon.>
(BTW, the bathrooms are stunning, except I don't get turned on by
bathrooms ...)
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On 4/19/2012 7:46 PM, Dave Balderstone wrote:
> In article<[email protected]>, Swingman
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On 4/19/2012 7:15 PM, Richard wrote:
>>
>>>>> I've found a source for a matching unfinished cabinet, and I'm
>>>>> wondering how to match the finish.
>>>>
>>>>> My best guess is sand them all back to bare wood and finish all
>>>>> together.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is that about right?
>>
>> Dave Balderstone is one of the experts in matching finishes, maybe he
>> will chime in, or you can ping him here.
>
> A lot of it is just eyeball... I've worked with color for several
> decades in publishing, so know how to judge what may be
> missing/needed... more red, less blue, needs yellow, etc.
>
> One of my tools to get into the zone fairly quickly is General Finishes
> RTM formula system, and then testing on a sample of the same wood as
> the project. The RTM samples are oak and maple, but can certainly be
> used with other woods.
>
> Richard, check with General Finishes for a dealer in your area and ask
> if they know someone using the system.
>
> I've also done test strips with multiple coats of various shellacs,
> from ultra blond through dark garnet and orange until I find what I'm
> after.
>
> But it's test, test, test unless you know what the existing finish is.
> As always, if you aren't testing on scraps, you're testing on your
> project...
>
Thanks, Dave. I'll dig around. I'm sure it's around here somewhere
(Dallas).
But the old cabinets will look pretty shabby compared to the new one
so I've already resigned to sand/varnish.
I did all the mahogany is my boat last summer. It took a while but came
out ok. I'm not a pro. But I do try to make it look good.
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~sv_temptress/refine.htm
In article <[email protected]>, Swingman
<[email protected]> wrote:
> On 4/19/2012 7:15 PM, Richard wrote:
>
> >>> I've found a source for a matching unfinished cabinet, and I'm
> >>> wondering how to match the finish.
> >>
> >>> My best guess is sand them all back to bare wood and finish all
> >>> together.
> >>>
> >>> Is that about right?
>
> Dave Balderstone is one of the experts in matching finishes, maybe he
> will chime in, or you can ping him here.
A lot of it is just eyeball... I've worked with color for several
decades in publishing, so know how to judge what may be
missing/needed... more red, less blue, needs yellow, etc.
One of my tools to get into the zone fairly quickly is General Finishes
RTM formula system, and then testing on a sample of the same wood as
the project. The RTM samples are oak and maple, but can certainly be
used with other woods.
Richard, check with General Finishes for a dealer in your area and ask
if they know someone using the system.
I've also done test strips with multiple coats of various shellacs,
from ultra blond through dark garnet and orange until I find what I'm
after.
But it's test, test, test unless you know what the existing finish is.
As always, if you aren't testing on scraps, you're testing on your
project...
--
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Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
>
> I was going to put a coffee maker out there,,,,or was that the
> garage???
> LOL
>
If you paint in one location, put it in the other. *g*
Puckdropper
--
Make it to fit, don't make it fit.
On Apr 19, 4:22=A0pm, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> This was a small, in-house, job to refresh an older (1945/1990/remod)
> home, taken in on a trade for a new home, before putting it back on the
> market.
>
> The kitchen was part of a 3 bath/kitchen remodel, and the idea was to be
> "inexpensive", but not cheap (To be honest, I was perfectly happy with
> the old kitchen, but the preponderance of estrogen involved weighed in
> said to "just shut up and do it!").
>
> Including the appliances, I did more recycling of kitchen parts in this
> one job than I've ever done in any building project ... stuff that
> normally goes into the dumpster, went right back into the kitchen.
>
> Because of being an older home, that was remodeled (badly) in 1990,
> there were a lot of "gotcha's" and necessary "making of lemonade",
>
> (including the difference in floor height between the kitchen and living
> room that was previously hidden by a 16' long "L" shaped peninsula (not
> shown) which, and until we removed it, its sole purpose was apparently
> to hide that heretofore hidden "feature"
>
> ... you never know what your are going to uncover. NEVER :)
>
> Anyway, somehow managed to tie the old and new in the kitchen together
> in a tolerable manner (Thanks to SketchUP) ... and let's hope a
> prospective buyer thinks so:
>
> https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/EWoodshopKitchenRe...
>
> <Just passed the final kitchen plumbing and electrical this afternoon.>
>
> (BTW, the bathrooms are stunning, except I don't get turned on by
> bathrooms ...)
>
> --www.eWoodShop.com
> Last update: 4/15/2010
> KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious)http://gplus.to/eWoodShop
I would call that a very fine example of a rescue. Especially when you
have to use the old stuff. Well done!
And, yes, I used to hate those kinds of remodels, because You do NOT
know whay you will find.
One job I took on, I found that the kitchen was site-built and the
'carpenter' had used 4 x 4 beams as kicks which he skilfully had
nailed with 10" spikes to the joists below. (Ever see a bent
Wonderbar?) What a nightmare. (Ended up cutting either side of the
spikes with a SawAll=99 then with a metal blade flush with the floor.
Day gone.
On 4/19/2012 3:31 PM, Pat Barber wrote:
> On 4/19/2012 1:22 PM, Swingman wrote:
>> This was a small, in-house, job to refresh an older (1945/1990/remod)
>> home, taken in on a trade for a new home, before putting it back on the
>> market.
>>
>>
>> https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/EWoodshopKitchenRemodel2012#
>>
>
>
> Nice refurb....
Thanks ...
> Gel stain on cabinets ???
A brown mahogany, oil based stain, and toner in the lacquer topcoat "to
even it out and match the colors in the granite, tile and hardwood
floor" ... none of which I'm remotely responsible for. (I build'em,
someone else colors'em ... my wife).
Strangely enough, you open up a lot of kitchen books and catalogs (even
Ethan Allen furnishings) just in the past few months and this "splotchy
maple look" is what's hot/selling.
Go figure ...
That said, the cell phone camera flash unnaturally enhances the look. In
person it looks more like a nicely figured pecan or hickory ... I've
gotten used to it.
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On 4/19/2012 3:22 PM, Swingman wrote:
> This was a small, in-house, job to refresh an older (1945/1990/remod)
> home, taken in on a trade for a new home, before putting it back on the
> market.
>
> The kitchen was part of a 3 bath/kitchen remodel, and the idea was to be
> "inexpensive", but not cheap (To be honest, I was perfectly happy with
> the old kitchen, but the preponderance of estrogen involved weighed in
> said to "just shut up and do it!").
>
> Including the appliances, I did more recycling of kitchen parts in this
> one job than I've ever done in any building project ... stuff that
> normally goes into the dumpster, went right back into the kitchen.
>
> Because of being an older home, that was remodeled (badly) in 1990,
> there were a lot of "gotcha's" and necessary "making of lemonade",
>
> (including the difference in floor height between the kitchen and living
> room that was previously hidden by a 16' long "L" shaped peninsula (not
> shown) which, and until we removed it, its sole purpose was apparently
> to hide that heretofore hidden "feature"
>
> ... you never know what your are going to uncover. NEVER :)
>
> Anyway, somehow managed to tie the old and new in the kitchen together
> in a tolerable manner (Thanks to SketchUP) ... and let's hope a
> prospective buyer thinks so:
>
> https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/EWoodshopKitchenRemodel2012#
>
>
> <Just passed the final kitchen plumbing and electrical this afternoon.>
>
> (BTW, the bathrooms are stunning, except I don't get turned on by
> bathrooms ...)
>
Its about time we team up on a job again. ;~))
Lets build storage for sheds! ;~)
The link wanted me to sign in..
Like you I hate remodels, I have done 3~4 by my self including the
counter tops and cabinet plumbing. You are dead on concerning never
knowing what to expect.
On 4/19/2012 7:47 PM, Leon wrote:
> On 4/19/2012 7:15 PM, Richard wrote:
>> On 4/19/2012 5:01 PM, Swingman wrote:
>>> On 4/19/2012 4:42 PM, Richard wrote:
>>>> We just bought an older house and want to do some kitchen renovation.
>>>>
>>>> One thing is to remove the dishwasher and install a cabinet there.
>>>
>>> Frame or frameless?
>>>
>>>> I've found a source for a matching unfinished cabinet, and I'm
>>>> wondering how to match the finish.
>>>
>>>> My best guess is sand them all back to bare wood and finish all
>>>> together.
>>>>
>>>> Is that about right?
>>>
>>> Pretty darned close, Richard. And, depending upon the wood, almost
>>> always the best guarantee of "matching" success for anyone but the most
>>> experienced of finishers.
>>>
>>> IME, some wood finishes used on wood like oak are relatively easy to
>>> match for an experienced finisher; others like maple and cherry, as
>>> these maple cabinets were, usually requires a lot more experience and
>>> work to match old to new, mainly because of the effect of light in
>>> "aging" the wood/finish.
>>>
>>> (can't tell you how glad I was to see that a bit of "blotchy" is "in"
>>> right now, because the budget I had to work within would not have
>>> allowed too much wiggle room in refinishing these solid maple cabinets)
>>>
>>>
>> Copy that, Swing.
>>
>> Thanks - I guess... :)
>
> There is always paint . ;~0
Copy that.
And if I screw up the varnish, there's always paint...
On 4/19/2012 4:42 PM, Richard wrote:
> We just bought an older house and want to do some kitchen renovation.
>
> One thing is to remove the dishwasher and install a cabinet there.
Frame or frameless?
> I've found a source for a matching unfinished cabinet, and I'm
> wondering how to match the finish.
> My best guess is sand them all back to bare wood and finish all together.
>
> Is that about right?
Pretty darned close, Richard. And, depending upon the wood, almost
always the best guarantee of "matching" success for anyone but the most
experienced of finishers.
IME, some wood finishes used on wood like oak are relatively easy to
match for an experienced finisher; others like maple and cherry, as
these maple cabinets were, usually requires a lot more experience and
work to match old to new, mainly because of the effect of light in
"aging" the wood/finish.
(can't tell you how glad I was to see that a bit of "blotchy" is "in"
right now, because the budget I had to work within would not have
allowed too much wiggle room in refinishing these solid maple cabinets)
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On 4/19/2012 7:15 PM, Richard wrote:
>>> I've found a source for a matching unfinished cabinet, and I'm
>>> wondering how to match the finish.
>>
>>> My best guess is sand them all back to bare wood and finish all
>>> together.
>>>
>>> Is that about right?
Dave Balderstone is one of the experts in matching finishes, maybe he
will chime in, or you can ping him here.
--
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Last update: 4/15/2010
KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious)
http://gplus.to/eWoodShop
On 4/19/2012 3:37 PM, Leon wrote:
> Its about time we team up on a job again. ;~))
>
> Lets build storage for sheds! ;~)
We could add a small kitchen in your new storage shed, to complement my
loft bed, with the Ashley Judd pictures, you built for me, you reckon? <g>
> Like you I hate remodels, I have done 3~4 by my self including the
> counter tops and cabinet plumbing. You are dead on concerning never
> knowing what to expect.
It was all Butch's fault! Language barriers made it worse ... two times!
<Where was Robert when you need him??> :)
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On 4/19/2012 6:40 PM, Robatoy wrote:
> One job I took on, I found that the kitchen was site-built and the
> 'carpenter' had used 4 x 4 beams as kicks which he skilfully had
> nailed with 10" spikes to the joists below. (Ever see a bent
> Wonderbar?) What a nightmare. (Ended up cutting either side of the
> spikes with a SawAll then with a metal blade flush with the floor.
> Day gone.
Timber frame kitchen, eh? ... you must of lifted the foundation, to bend
a Wonderbar!
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On 4/19/2012 1:22 PM, Swingman wrote:
> This was a small, in-house, job to refresh an older (1945/1990/remod)
> home, taken in on a trade for a new home, before putting it back on the
> market.
>
>
> https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/EWoodshopKitchenRemodel2012#
Nice refurb....
Gel stain on cabinets ???
On 4/19/2012 7:15 PM, Richard wrote:
> On 4/19/2012 5:01 PM, Swingman wrote:
>> On 4/19/2012 4:42 PM, Richard wrote:
>>> We just bought an older house and want to do some kitchen renovation.
>>>
>>> One thing is to remove the dishwasher and install a cabinet there.
>>
>> Frame or frameless?
>>
>>> I've found a source for a matching unfinished cabinet, and I'm
>>> wondering how to match the finish.
>>
>>> My best guess is sand them all back to bare wood and finish all
>>> together.
>>>
>>> Is that about right?
>>
>> Pretty darned close, Richard. And, depending upon the wood, almost
>> always the best guarantee of "matching" success for anyone but the most
>> experienced of finishers.
>>
>> IME, some wood finishes used on wood like oak are relatively easy to
>> match for an experienced finisher; others like maple and cherry, as
>> these maple cabinets were, usually requires a lot more experience and
>> work to match old to new, mainly because of the effect of light in
>> "aging" the wood/finish.
>>
>> (can't tell you how glad I was to see that a bit of "blotchy" is "in"
>> right now, because the budget I had to work within would not have
>> allowed too much wiggle room in refinishing these solid maple cabinets)
>>
>>
> Copy that, Swing.
>
> Thanks - I guess... :)
There is always paint . ;~0
On 4/19/2012 4:17 PM, Swingman wrote:
> On 4/19/2012 3:37 PM, Leon wrote:
>
>> Its about time we team up on a job again. ;~))
>>
>> Lets build storage for sheds! ;~)
>
> We could add a small kitchen in your new storage shed, to complement my
> loft bed, with the Ashley Judd pictures, you built for me, you reckon? <g>
>
>
>> Like you I hate remodels, I have done 3~4 by my self including the
>> counter tops and cabinet plumbing. You are dead on concerning never
>> knowing what to expect.
>
> It was all Butch's fault! Language barriers made it worse ... two times!
>
> <Where was Robert when you need him??> :)
>
I was going to put a coffee maker out there,,,,or was that the garage???
LOL
We just bought an older house and want to do some kitchen renovation.
One thing is to remove the dishwasher and install a cabinet there.
I've found a source for a matching unfinished cabinet, and I'm
wondering how to match the finish.
My best guess is sand them all back to bare wood and finish all together.
Is that about right?
On 4/19/2012 5:01 PM, Swingman wrote:
> On 4/19/2012 4:42 PM, Richard wrote:
>> We just bought an older house and want to do some kitchen renovation.
>>
>> One thing is to remove the dishwasher and install a cabinet there.
>
> Frame or frameless?
>
>> I've found a source for a matching unfinished cabinet, and I'm
>> wondering how to match the finish.
>
>> My best guess is sand them all back to bare wood and finish all together.
>>
>> Is that about right?
>
> Pretty darned close, Richard. And, depending upon the wood, almost
> always the best guarantee of "matching" success for anyone but the most
> experienced of finishers.
>
> IME, some wood finishes used on wood like oak are relatively easy to
> match for an experienced finisher; others like maple and cherry, as
> these maple cabinets were, usually requires a lot more experience and
> work to match old to new, mainly because of the effect of light in
> "aging" the wood/finish.
>
> (can't tell you how glad I was to see that a bit of "blotchy" is "in"
> right now, because the budget I had to work within would not have
> allowed too much wiggle room in refinishing these solid maple cabinets)
>
>
Copy that, Swing.
Thanks - I guess... :)