The $4K Wood Shop

-MIKE- <[email protected]>gave it up with;
>On 11/9/10 3:50 PM, Josepi wrote:
>> Where does one get those semi-angled wheels that set down when you lift the
>> other end of the workbench / table?
>>
>
>http://mikedrums.com/benchwheels.mpg
>
>:-)
..when you get Gymmys IP off the logs do post it.
Interested persons are triangulating.

cHips

So lets save you some money and spend it better.

Get a larger bandsaw... more horse... wish I had gone higher than 1hp.
Planer get the dewalt...
Drill press go to Tractor supply and get the full floor standing model.
I paid 129 its now 169.. very good for the price. Not comercial quality
but I consider it a good unit for the price. maybe replace the belts
with linked belt.

Tenoning jig.. Woodcraft goes on sale for 59 on occasion.
Dust collection ovoid the Delta. over priced. Delta doesn't rule
anymore. Cheap crap.. so get something else, and save some money. But
make sure it is good to 1micron at least.

If you look around for used stuff you will find some excellent bargains..


Good luck... look for some cabinets that are being thrown away I modify
them cut the kick panel out , put a full skirt on top (to raise it up)
and put wheels on the bottom 2 fixed and 2 full locking. They make
excellent tool tables and move around, and hold all the items you need
for the tools. I make wedges for the fixed wheels since a concrete floor
is rarely level for all 4 wheels, to lock the one floater to the ground.
Always try to wedge the fixed wheel.

On 11/9/2010 8:03 AM, [email protected] wrote:
> Having recently had a minor windfall, I decided to splurge and finally
> round out my budding shop. I have a budget of about $4K, and the
> entries below add up to about $3K. The rest will go on odds and ends,
> lumber, and anything that I may have missed.
>
> My shop is half of a two-car garage. I already have a table saw and
> miter saw (both poor quality), a decent router, and some small hand
> tools, including a decent 4-set of Irwin chisels and a few Avant
> planes.
>
> Projects will range from small items (pens, jewelry boxes), ranging up
> to furniture, and guitars if I get brave. I want to develop a range
> of skills involving hand tools and power tools. This is very much a
> personal enrichment hobby.
>
> The tools I've chosen are intended for the long haul, so I'm
> definitely trying to get these picks right the first time. Any
> suggestions or comments on my selections below?
>
> Bandsaw Grizzly G0555 14” 1HP 425
> Shipping 74
>
> Planer Makita 2012NB 473
>
> Jointer Grizzly G0586 8” 575
> Shipping 139
>
> Lathe JET JML 1014VSI 10-Inch-by-14-Inch 350
>
> Drill Press DELTA DP300L 190
>
> Dust Collection DELTA 50-760 1.5HP 1,200 CFM 371
>
> Tenoning Jig Grizzly H7583 77
> Dado Stack Oshlun SDS-0842 84
> Belt Sander UNDECIDED ???
>
> Marking Gauge Rockler 21
> Clamps Bessey KRK2450 160
> Coping Saw Robert Larson 540-2000 Coping Saw 17
> Water Stones UNDECIDED
> Square Empire Level E250 12-Inch Combo Square 12
> Lubricating Paste Minwax Paste Finishing Wax 12
> Mineral Spirits 6
>
>
> Total Current Cost: $3000

=A0Any
> suggestions or comments on my selections below?
>

1. I would look at the Grizzly dust collection and see if you can get
some more suck for the same or similar buck.

2. I don't see an air compressor or any guns listed. I'd say a Harbor
Freight $150 air compressor. A few reels of hose from HF also and some
fittings. Setup 2 or 3 outlets at different points in the shop. and a
few quality staple and brad nailers. I have a bostich 18 gague nailer,
no oil 2" to 5/8" and it has never jambed once. Use it weekly.

3. I like the Dewalt 735 MUCH better than the Makita or any of the
planers of that design style. It is just a really great workhorse

<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:63416361-70d4-4d46-9c6f-ca3e99769e47@w38g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
> Having recently had a minor windfall, I decided to splurge and finally
> round out my budding shop. I have a budget of about $4K, and the
> entries below add up to about $3K. The rest will go on odds and ends,
> lumber, and anything that I may have missed.
>
> My shop is half of a two-car garage. I already have a table saw and
> miter saw (both poor quality), a decent router, and some small hand
> tools, including a decent 4-set of Irwin chisels and a few Avant
> planes.
>
> Projects will range from small items (pens, jewelry boxes), ranging up
> to furniture, and guitars if I get brave. I want to develop a range
> of skills involving hand tools and power tools. This is very much a
> personal enrichment hobby.
>
> The tools I've chosen are intended for the long haul, so I'm
> definitely trying to get these picks right the first time. Any
> suggestions or comments on my selections below?
>
> Bandsaw Grizzly G0555 14” 1HP 425
> Shipping 74
>
> Planer Makita 2012NB 473
>
> Jointer Grizzly G0586 8” 575
> Shipping 139
>
> Lathe JET JML 1014VSI 10-Inch-by-14-Inch 350
>
> Drill Press DELTA DP300L 190
>
> Dust Collection DELTA 50-760 1.5HP 1,200 CFM 371
>
> Tenoning Jig Grizzly H7583 77
> Dado Stack Oshlun SDS-0842 84
> Belt Sander UNDECIDED ???
>
> Marking Gauge Rockler 21
> Clamps Bessey KRK2450 160
> Coping Saw Robert Larson 540-2000 Coping Saw 17
> Water Stones UNDECIDED
> Square Empire Level E250 12-Inch Combo Square 12
> Lubricating Paste Minwax Paste Finishing Wax 12
> Mineral Spirits 6
>
>
> Total Current Cost: $3000

Do you need a jointer? A lot of guys do without. And many who have them,
don't use them that much. Much of a jointers job can be done on a table saw
or with a router.

<[email protected]> wrote:

> Having recently had a minor windfall, I decided to splurge and
> finally
round out my budding shop. I have a budget of about $4K, and the
entries below add up to about $3K. The rest will go on odds and ends,
lumber, and anything that I may have missed.

My shop is half of a two-car garage. I already have a table saw and
miter saw (both poor quality), a decent router, and some small hand
tools, including a decent 4-set of Irwin chisels and a few Avant
planes.
----------------------------------
Right now you have a heady feeling.

Keep the money in the bank for a while and just ponder your navel.

After that, proceed with caution.

A one car garage is going to limit you, without a good utilization
game plan.

The most useful tool will be your table saw.

The most important part of the table saw is the fence.

First thing I would do is replace your existing T/S.

Budget around $1,500 by the time you include a good set of blades and
an 8" Freud dado set.

Budget around $500 for a decent bench top planer.

Budget around $600 for a good table mount router (I like Milwaukee
5625) along with the materials to build a good router station and a
few high quality bits.

Budget at least $400 for clamps.

At this point sit tight, buy some 1/2" & 3/4" birch ply and build a
few jigs.

After about 6 months, you will have figured out a way to acquire the
rights to the other half of the garage and what additional tools you
need.

Floor mounted drill press, jointer and certainly hand tools such as
sanders, drills, jig saw, replace existing miter saw, etc.

Other items will be determined by what you learn along the way.

Above all, take time to enjoy the process.

Have fun.

Lew

"[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote in news:63416361-70d4-4d46-
[email protected]:

> Having recently had a minor windfall, I decided to splurge and finally
> round out my budding shop. I have a budget of about $4K, and the
> entries below add up to about $3K. The rest will go on odds and ends,
> lumber, and anything that I may have missed.
>
> My shop is half of a two-car garage. I already have a table saw and
> miter saw (both poor quality), a decent router, and some small hand
> tools, including a decent 4-set of Irwin chisels and a few Avant
> planes.
>
> Projects will range from small items (pens, jewelry boxes), ranging up
> to furniture, and guitars if I get brave. I want to develop a range
> of skills involving hand tools and power tools. This is very much a
> personal enrichment hobby.
>
> The tools I've chosen are intended for the long haul, so I'm
> definitely trying to get these picks right the first time. Any
> suggestions or comments on my selections below?
>
> Bandsaw Grizzly G0555 14” 1HP 425
> Shipping 74
>
> Planer Makita 2012NB 473
>
> Jointer Grizzly G0586 8” 575
> Shipping 139
>
> Lathe JET JML 1014VSI 10-Inch-by-14-Inch 350
>
> Drill Press DELTA DP300L 190
>
> Dust Collection DELTA 50-760 1.5HP 1,200 CFM 371
>
> Tenoning Jig Grizzly H7583 77
> Dado Stack Oshlun SDS-0842 84
> Belt Sander UNDECIDED ???
>
> Marking Gauge Rockler 21
> Clamps Bessey KRK2450 160
> Coping Saw Robert Larson 540-2000 Coping Saw 17
> Water Stones UNDECIDED
> Square Empire Level E250 12-Inch Combo Square 12
> Lubricating Paste Minwax Paste Finishing Wax 12
> Mineral Spirits 6
>
>
> Total Current Cost: $3000

Before you spend any money, figure out what you can fit in the space.
You'll be much happier with less that works together rather than more
that's constantly in the way. Sketchup is an invaluable tool for this,
especially with the use of the 3D library.

Here's a tip: figure out how much feed/outfeed room your tools need and
mark it off. No tool can intrude into that space, but other feed/outfeed
areas can (and should) share the space. I put my planer and jointer at a
right angle to the table saw so they could share the same outfeed space.

Like others have suggested, I'd upgrade the table saw first. Next, I'd
get a good crosscut style of saw, either a CMS or RAS. That takes care
of 90% of the cutting in my shop. If your existing table saw still cuts
square enough and is in a little portable box, you may want to keep it
and use it for those times when you need to make another cut and have the
good saw set up for another option.

Puckdropper
--
Never teach your apprentice everything you know.

On Nov 9, 8:25=A0pm, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "RicodJour" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> On Nov 9, 11:26 am, Roy <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > I've found that 4 swivel casters work better for me than two fixed and =
two
> > swivel in most cases.
>
> Did you know that shopping carts in European supermarkets (and Borg
> equivalents) have four swivel casters? =A0I couldn't count how many
> times have I've =A0ohad to lift the fookin' back of the cart to move it
> out of the way of someone going by. =A0The four swivels allow you to
> just push it in any direction. =A0We certainly lag behind in some areas.
>
>
> While 4 swivel wheels is ok for moving out of the way when parked I
> absolutely hate the 4 swivel carts then actually trying to go some where
> with one. =A0They tend to go where they want to go rather than where you =
want
> them to go.

Hmmm, you're one of those guys who drives between the lines on the
road, ain't ya? Where's the creativity and challenge in that? ;)

R

On Nov 9, 8:03=A0am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Having recently had a minor windfall, I decided to splurge and finally
> round out my budding shop. =A0I have a budget of about $4K, and the
> entries below add up to about $3K. =A0The rest will go on odds and ends,
> lumber, and anything that I may have missed.
>
> My shop is half of a two-car garage. =A0I already have a table saw and
> miter saw (both poor quality), a decent router, and some small hand
> tools, including a decent 4-set of Irwin chisels and a few Avant
> planes.
>
> Projects will range from small items (pens, jewelry boxes), ranging up
> to furniture, and guitars if I get brave. =A0I want to develop a range
> of skills involving hand tools and power tools. =A0This is very much a
> personal enrichment hobby.
>
> The tools I've chosen are intended for the long haul, so I'm
> definitely trying to get these picks right the first time. =A0Any
> suggestions or comments on my selections below?
>
> Bandsaw =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Grizzly G0555 14=94 1HP =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 425
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Shipping =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 74
>
> Planer =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Makita 2012NB =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 473
>
Shaper (Is a jointer although not for wide boards but edges, router
table
>
> Lathe =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 JET JML 1014VSI 10-Inch-by-14-Inch =A0 =
=A0 =A0350
>
> Drill Press =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 DELTA DP300L =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0190
>
> Dust Collection =A0 =A0 DELTA 50-760 1.5HP 1,200 CFM =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =
=A0371
>
> Tenoning Jig =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Grizzly H7583 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A077
> Dado Stack =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Oshlun SDS-0842 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A084
>
Belt Sander =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Makita 3 x 24
>
> Marking Gauge =A0 =A0 =A0 Rockler =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A021
> Clamps =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Bessey KRK2450 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0160
> Coping Saw =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Robert Larson 540-2000 Coping Saw =A0 =A0 =
=A0 =A017
> Water Stones =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0UNDECIDED
> Square =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Empire Level E250 12-Inch Combo Square =
=A0 12
> Lubricating Paste =A0 Minwax Paste Finishing Wax =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =
=A0 12
> Mineral Spirits =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 6
>
> Total Current Cost: $3000

Table saw?

<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:63416361-70d4-4d46-9c6f-ca3e99769e47@w38g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
Having recently had a minor windfall, I decided to splurge and finally
round out my budding shop. I have a budget of about $4K, and the
entries below add up to about $3K. The rest will go on odds and ends,
lumber, and anything that I may have missed.

My shop is half of a two-car garage. I already have a table saw and
miter saw (both poor quality), a decent router, and some small hand
tools, including a decent 4-set of Irwin chisels and a few Avant
planes.

Projects will range from small items (pens, jewelry boxes), ranging up
to furniture, and guitars if I get brave. I want to develop a range
of skills involving hand tools and power tools. This is very much a
personal enrichment hobby.

The tools I've chosen are intended for the long haul, so I'm
definitely trying to get these picks right the first time. Any
suggestions or comments on my selections below?

Bandsaw Grizzly G0555 14” 1HP 425
Shipping 74

Planer Makita 2012NB 473

Jointer Grizzly G0586 8” 575
Shipping 139

Lathe JET JML 1014VSI 10-Inch-by-14-Inch 350

Drill Press DELTA DP300L 190

Dust Collection DELTA 50-760 1.5HP 1,200 CFM 371

Tenoning Jig Grizzly H7583 77
Dado Stack Oshlun SDS-0842 84
Belt Sander UNDECIDED ???

Marking Gauge Rockler 21
Clamps Bessey KRK2450 160
Coping Saw Robert Larson 540-2000 Coping Saw 17
Water Stones UNDECIDED
Square Empire Level E250 12-Inch Combo Square 12
Lubricating Paste Minwax Paste Finishing Wax 12
Mineral Spirits 6


Total Current Cost: $3000


Might I suggest you keep the money tucked away in a nest egg and buy the
equipment as you need it. You may find that you excel or want to go in a
particular direction with your wood working and might want to put a larger
amount of money towards a higher quality/versatile piece of equipment. As
it appears now, you are trying to get as many pieces as you can for the
amount of money you have to spend. You might be better served by getting a
much better quality than "poor quality" table saw. The table saw is
probably going to be used more than all other tools combined especially if
you have a good one. With most quality tools you may find that you use them
more often if they are up to the task.

I have been a serious woodworker for about 32 years and I make money at it.
I consider some of the items listed above not necessary as I have not had
the need for them in all of my years of woodworking.
Those items include the jointer and tennon jig., YMMV

Good Luck!

On Nov 9, 7:31=A0am, "Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*nadaspam* at comcast
dot net> wrote:

> Do you need a jointer? =A0A lot of guys do without. And many who have the=
m,
> don't use them that much. =A0Much of a jointers job can be done on a tabl=
e saw
> or with a router.

After doing without for several years I bought a Grizzly 8 inch. It is
the least-used tool in the shop. All I use it for is prep. All it does
is give me a set of boards flat on one side with a dependable right
angle on one edge.

I consider it perhaps not the very best tool investment I ever made,
but certainly in the top ten. Just because it turns the prep work into
an afternoon instead of a day or two, and just because it's so nice
when everything's milled right.

I got along without it for a long time, and it sits idle for long
periods but every time I use it I feel like I got my money's worth.
I've spent more money to get less satisfaction on quite a few other
purchases.

That said, I waited till I had the money and I knew of several places
where I could get rough cut air dried lumber. Being able to mill any
old board I brought into the shop was worth quite a bit to me. Your
mileage might vary, but I wouldn't get rid of mine unless I was
replacing it with a bigger and better one. :-)

The tools I've chosen are intended for the long haul, so I'm
definitely trying to get these picks right the first time. Any
suggestions or comments on my selections below?

CLIP

You mentioned the "DELTA DP300L Drill Press."

I would suggest either the floor model DELTA 17-950L or DP400
(discontinued?) or a Grizzly G7944 or G7948 machine. If you have three
phase power in the shop, consider the G0521 drill press as it is a pretty
amazing machine for the money with a quill stabilization notch and even
self-reversing features for tapping holes (not likely needed in wood, but
one never knows!)

You can still get the "L" lazer add-on for the other DELTA machines but I'm
not sure about the Grizzly.

Here are links to the Grizzly machines:

http://grizzly.com/products/12-Speed-Heavy-Duty-14-Floor-Drill-Press/G7944

http://grizzly.com/products/12-Speed-Heavy-Duty-14-Floor-Drill-Press/G7948

http://grizzly.com/products/12-Speed-Heavy-Duty-14-Floor-Drill-Press/G0521

Often times, people find they wish they had a larger drill press... Why not
plan for one now at a few extra $$$?
--


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I second the **FLOOR STAND*** drill press. The table top one will always
take up resented room on a work table sowmwhere and collect chips. The
prices are not much higher and deeper throats are easy to afford.



"tiredofspam" <nospam.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

<snippage>

Drill press go to Tractor supply and get the full floor standing model.
I paid 129 its now 169.. very good for the price. Not comercial quality
but I consider it a good unit for the price. maybe replace the belts
with linked belt.

<snippage>


On 11/9/2010 8:03 AM, [email protected] wrote:
> Having recently had a minor windfall, I decided to splurge and finally
> round out my budding shop. I have a budget of about $4K, and the
> entries below add up to about $3K. The rest will go on odds and ends,
> lumber, and anything that I may have missed.
>
> My shop is half of a two-car garage. I already have a table saw and
> miter saw (both poor quality), a decent router, and some small hand
> tools, including a decent 4-set of Irwin chisels and a few Avant
> planes.
>
> Projects will range from small items (pens, jewelry boxes), ranging up
> to furniture, and guitars if I get brave. I want to develop a range
> of skills involving hand tools and power tools. This is very much a
> personal enrichment hobby.
>
> The tools I've chosen are intended for the long haul, so I'm
> definitely trying to get these picks right the first time. Any
> suggestions or comments on my selections below?
>
> Bandsaw Grizzly G0555 14” 1HP 425
> Shipping 74
>
> Planer Makita 2012NB 473
>
> Jointer Grizzly G0586 8” 575
> Shipping 139
>
> Lathe JET JML 1014VSI 10-Inch-by-14-Inch 350
>
> Drill Press DELTA DP300L 190
>
> Dust Collection DELTA 50-760 1.5HP 1,200 CFM 371
>
> Tenoning Jig Grizzly H7583 77
> Dado Stack Oshlun SDS-0842 84
> Belt Sander UNDECIDED ???
>
> Marking Gauge Rockler 21
> Clamps Bessey KRK2450 160
> Coping Saw Robert Larson 540-2000 Coping Saw 17
> Water Stones UNDECIDED
> Square Empire Level E250 12-Inch Combo Square 12
> Lubricating Paste Minwax Paste Finishing Wax 12
> Mineral Spirits 6
>
>
> Total Current Cost: $3000

Where does one get those semi-angled wheels that set down when you lift the
other end of the workbench / table?

This would avoid flat tires, rolling problems and mechanisms to lower the
wheels.



"dpb" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
The solution to both is to build the caster assembly to pivot w/ a lever
arm...




Larry Blanchard wrote:
> On Tue, 09 Nov 2010 12:03:27 -0500, knuttle wrote:
>
>> One thing I did not do was put the correct wheels on my benches. You
>> would be surprised what a loaded workbench weighs. Over a couple of
>> years the hard rubber one tend to get a flat spot which makes them hard
>> to move. Go for cast iron or equivalent.
>
> I put wheels under my workbench, but then jacked it up and rested it on a
> 4x4 (or maybe a 6x6) at each end. No weight on the wheels and the bench
> is steadier as well. Since I move the bench at most once a year that
> works out well. It might be a PITA if you move your bench frequently.

--

On 11/10/2010 2:24 AM, Lobby Dosser wrote:

> Got a problem with that one drawer, doncha ... :)

ROTFL .... just hate it when a drawer follows you out the door!

That was funny ...


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KarlC@ (the obvious)

On Nov 9, 8:39=A0am, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Nov 9, 8:03=A0am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Having recently had a minor windfall, I decided to splurge and finally
> > round out my budding shop. =A0I have a budget of about $4K, and the
> > entries below add up to about $3K. =A0The rest will go on odds and ends=
,
> > lumber, and anything that I may have missed.
>
> > My shop is half of a two-car garage. =A0I already have a table saw and
> > miter saw (both poor quality), a decent router, and some small hand
> > tools, including a decent 4-set of Irwin chisels and a few Avant
> > planes.
>
> > Projects will range from small items (pens, jewelry boxes), ranging up
> > to furniture, and guitars if I get brave. =A0I want to develop a range
> > of skills involving hand tools and power tools. =A0This is very much a
> > personal enrichment hobby.
>
> > The tools I've chosen are intended for the long haul, so I'm
> > definitely trying to get these picks right the first time. =A0Any
> > suggestions or comments on my selections below?
>
> > Bandsaw =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Grizzly G0555 14=94 1HP =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 425
> > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Shipping =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 74
>
> > Planer =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Makita 2012NB =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 473
>
> Shaper (Is a jointer although not for wide boards but edges, router
> table
>
> > Lathe =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 JET JML 1014VSI 10-Inch-by-14-Inch =
=A0 =A0 =A0350
>
> > Drill Press =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 DELTA DP300L =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0190
>
> > Dust Collection =A0 =A0 DELTA 50-760 1.5HP 1,200 CFM =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =
=A0 =A0371
>
> > Tenoning Jig =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Grizzly H7583 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A077
> > Dado Stack =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Oshlun SDS-0842 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A084
>
> Belt Sander =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Makita 3 x 24
>
>
>
> > Marking Gauge =A0 =A0 =A0 Rockler =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A021
> > Clamps =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Bessey KRK2450 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0160
> > Coping Saw =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Robert Larson 540-2000 Coping Saw =A0 =A0=
=A0 =A017
> > Water Stones =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0UNDECIDED
> > Square =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Empire Level E250 12-Inch Combo Squar=
e =A0 12
> > Lubricating Paste =A0 Minwax Paste Finishing Wax =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =
=A0 =A0 12
> > Mineral Spirits =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 6
>
> > Total Current Cost: $3000
>
> Table saw?

If your table saw is poor quality, look there first. IMHO

-MIKE- <[email protected]>asked:
>On 11/9/10 9:10 PM, cHips wrote:
>> -MIKE-<[email protected]>gave it up with;
>>> On 11/9/10 3:50 PM, Josepi wrote:
>>>> Where does one get those semi-angled wheels that set down when you lift the
>>>> other end of the workbench / table?
>>>>
>>>
>>> http://mikedrums.com/benchwheels.mpg
>>>
>>> :-)
>> ..when you get Gymmys IP off the logs do post it.
>> Interested persons are triangulating.
>>
>> cHips
>>
>
>I think you wooshed me... I have no clue what you're talking about.
>
mkay... that, together with your response to Steve, tells
me we best 'talk'.
------>chips @hushmail.com

... anytime ;-)

--

cHips

On Nov 9, 8:03=A0am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Having recently had a minor windfall, I decided to splurge and finally
> round out my budding shop. =A0I have a budget of about $4K, and the
> entries below add up to about $3K. =A0The rest will go on odds and ends,
> lumber, and anything that I may have missed.
>
> My shop is half of a two-car garage. =A0I already have a table saw and
> miter saw (both poor quality), a decent router, and some small hand
> tools, including a decent 4-set of Irwin chisels and a few Avant
> planes.
>
> Projects will range from small items (pens, jewelry boxes), ranging up
> to furniture, and guitars if I get brave. =A0I want to develop a range
> of skills involving hand tools and power tools. =A0This is very much a
> personal enrichment hobby.
>
> The tools I've chosen are intended for the long haul, so I'm
> definitely trying to get these picks right the first time. =A0Any
> suggestions or comments on my selections below?
>
> Bandsaw =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Grizzly G0555 14=94 1HP =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 425
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Shipping =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 74
>
> Planer =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Makita 2012NB =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 473
>
> Jointer =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Grizzly G0586 8=94 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0575
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Shipping =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0139
>
> Lathe =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 JET JML 1014VSI 10-Inch-by-14-Inch =A0 =
=A0 =A0350
>
> Drill Press =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 DELTA DP300L =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0190
>
> Dust Collection =A0 =A0 DELTA 50-760 1.5HP 1,200 CFM =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =
=A0371
>
> Tenoning Jig =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Grizzly H7583 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A077
> Dado Stack =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Oshlun SDS-0842 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A084
> Belt Sander =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 UNDECIDED =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 ???
>
> Marking Gauge =A0 =A0 =A0 Rockler =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A021
> Clamps =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Bessey KRK2450 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0160
> Coping Saw =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Robert Larson 540-2000 Coping Saw =A0 =A0 =
=A0 =A017
> Water Stones =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0UNDECIDED
> Square =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Empire Level E250 12-Inch Combo Square =
=A0 12
> Lubricating Paste =A0 Minwax Paste Finishing Wax =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =
=A0 12
> Mineral Spirits =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 6
>
> Total Current Cost: $3000

For $4000 you can get the Festool Kapex miter saw, a Festool vacuum, a
Festool plunge cut saw and a Festool MFT work table...plus a few
accessories - very few. On the bright side, you'll cut out 25 years
of lusting after the stuff. ;)

A one car garage is not a lot of space, so you should certainly do a
layout and figure out what you actually have room for. If you buy a
tool in anticipation of doing work, and have to frequently move it to
do the work you actually do, you'll learn to hate that tool and you'll
end up selling it for a loss.

Tool collections should grow with capability. As your skills grow
(which frequently occurs by learning to make do with what you have),
you'll find that you will have very specific opinions on what is
necessary, desirable and what are the features you require. That's
something different than choosing tools from magazine reviews and the
popularity contest that Amazon reviews are.

R

On Tue, 9 Nov 2010 05:03:09 -0800 (PST), "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
wrote:

Here's my $0.02.


>The tools I've chosen are intended for the long haul, so I'm
>definitely trying to get these picks right the first time. Any
>suggestions or comments on my selections below?
>
>Bandsaw Grizzly G0555 14” 1HP 425
> Shipping 74
>
>Planer Makita 2012NB 473
>
>Jointer Grizzly G0586 8” 575
> Shipping 139
>
>Lathe JET JML 1014VSI 10-Inch-by-14-Inch 350

Pretty small if you get the bug. I have the non-VS version of the mini-lathe,
but find I use the full size more (Jet 1236). Not heavily into turning though.

>
>Drill Press DELTA DP300L 190
>
>Dust Collection DELTA 50-760 1.5HP 1,200 CFM 371
>
>Tenoning Jig Grizzly H7583 77
>Dado Stack Oshlun SDS-0842 84

Spend an extra $15 and get the Freud dado set. I bought one used a few years
back, and liked it so much I bought one for my son for Christmas the following
year. Terrific dado set for the money. $99 at the orange Borg, probably
cheaper on Amazon.


>Belt Sander UNDECIDED ???
>
>Marking Gauge Rockler 21
>Clamps Bessey KRK2450 160
>Coping Saw Robert Larson 540-2000 Coping Saw 17
>Water Stones UNDECIDED

I realize money is no object in your case, but take a good look at Scarey Sharp.
A buck's worth of glass at the thrift store and you can buy an awful lot of
sandpaper for the cost of those waterstones. No flattening, soaking, etc.
required. Buy a jig though. The $12 one everybody owns will do fine after you
tune it.


>Square Empire Level E250 12-Inch Combo Square 12

Get a Starrett and keep it in the plastic bag and cardboard box when not in use.
This is your reference square. Get a second Starrett for daily use. I got a
used one for $25 off the Bay, and it lives on the bench.


>Lubricating Paste Minwax Paste Finishing Wax 12

Johnson's Paste Wax. Been around for almost 100 years. Works great. The
Johnson company sponsored Fibber Magee and Molly for 20 years on the radio, and
kept mint record copies of the shows in their vault for 50 years. They released
these to the public domain back in the 80's so people could enjoy the shows.
Some 700 episodes still exist, most in extremely good sound quality. They
deserve to be supported for that act of generosity alone.

>Mineral Spirits 6
>
>
>Total Current Cost: $3000

Rob suggested a Good table saw. I agree,. Put a Forrestt Woodworker-II on it.
If you keep your old saw, still upgrade to the WW-II blade.

On Nov 9, 11:26=A0am, Roy <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Tue, 9 Nov 2010 07:56:27 -0800 (PST), RicodJour <ricodj...@worldemail.=
com>
> wrote:
>
> >A one car garage is not a lot of space, so you should certainly do a
> >layout and figure out what you actually have room for. =A0If you buy a
> >tool in anticipation of doing work, and have to frequently move it to
> >do the work you actually do, you'll learn to hate that tool and you'll
> >end up selling it for a loss.
>
> I missed the one-car size the first time. =A0These are very good points. =
=A0Make
> sure that anything and everything you get is on good casters, preferably
> locking. =A0I have been using these for several years, and have 5 tools/c=
arts
> rolling on them. =A0They are excellent, and even on sale until late in th=
e month.
> I've found that 4 swivel casters work better for me than two fixed and tw=
o
> swivel in most cases. =A0

Did you know that shopping carts in European supermarkets (and Borg
equivalents) have four swivel casters? I couldn't count how many
times have I've ohad to lift the fookin' back of the cart to move it
out of the way of someone going by. The four swivels allow you to
just push it in any direction. We certainly lag behind in some areas.

R

"knuttle" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> I believe you are missing a rafter square which is a solid metal triangle
> with a wide edge such as the Empire 7 In. Magnum Fat Boy Aluminum Rafter
> Square at Home Depot. I find this tool to be invaluable in setting
> things up when working on the table saw, drill press, checking the square
> of you small assemblies, etc.
>
> While most people will say it should not happen these squares are sturdy
> enough to survive being wiped from the bench onto the floor and not have
> its accuracy effected.

Hope it is more square than a Speedsquare. Never got ahold of one of them
that was square.

On Tue, 9 Nov 2010 05:03:09 -0800 (PST), "[email protected]"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Having recently had a minor windfall, I decided to splurge and finally
>round out my budding shop. I have a budget of about $4K, and the
>entries below add up to about $3K. The rest will go on odds and ends,
>lumber, and anything that I may have missed.
>
>My shop is half of a two-car garage. I already have a table saw and
>miter saw (both poor quality), a decent router, and some small hand
>tools, including a decent 4-set of Irwin chisels and a few Avant
>planes.
>
>Projects will range from small items (pens, jewelry boxes), ranging up
>to furniture, and guitars if I get brave. I want to develop a range
>of skills involving hand tools and power tools. This is very much a
>personal enrichment hobby.
>
>The tools I've chosen are intended for the long haul, so I'm
>definitely trying to get these picks right the first time.

Just remember that you'll grow into and out of machines as you work,
and your workstyle can change drastically from what it is now, or is
perceived to be in the near future.


>Any
>suggestions or comments on my selections below?
>
>Bandsaw Grizzly G0555 14” 1HP 425
> Shipping 74

Or larger, for resawing or cutting larger workpieces?


>Planer Makita 2012NB 473

Looks like a nice li'l planer.


>Jointer Grizzly G0586 8” 575
> Shipping 139

G0586 is no longer made. Why not a nice spiral jobber?
http://www.grizzly.com/products/8-Jointer-with-Spiral-Cutterhead/G0656X


>Lathe JET JML 1014VSI 10-Inch-by-14-Inch 350

If you ever turn table legs, you'll want something in a longer bed.


>Drill Press DELTA DP300L 190

A Griz floor model is much more handy and doesn't take up bench space,
while taking up very little floor space.
http://www.grizzly.com/products/12-Speed-Heavy-Duty-14-Floor-Drill-Press/G7944


>Dust Collection DELTA 50-760 1.5HP 1,200 CFM 371

Why not lower-maintenance, 2hp, 1,700cfm Griz?
http://www.grizzly.com/products/2HP-Canister-Dust-Collector/G0548Z
(I installed three new 240v 30a outlets in the shop for my new tools
when I moved here. Total cost was a day of my time and less than $100
in materials.)

>Tenoning Jig Grizzly H7583 77
>Dado Stack Oshlun SDS-0842 84
>Belt Sander UNDECIDED ???

1" and 6" belts come in handy, as can oscillating sanders.


>Marking Gauge Rockler 21

Don't forget a striking knife. Cheapie:
http://www.chipsfly.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?page=W/PROD/34-330
or exotic:
http://knight-toolworks.com/?page_id=478&category=3&product_id=3
(I have an original Knight, before he teamed up with Chester.)


>Clamps Bessey KRK2450 160

Add about 50 variously sized HF Pittsburgh bar clamps (about the same
price on sale) and you'll have a shop's worth.


>Coping Saw Robert Larson 540-2000 Coping Saw 17
>Water Stones UNDECIDED

2x6" 600 and 1200 grit diamond plates, preferably DMT. and a handful
of various finer grits of wetordry sandpaper for ScarySharp(tm)ening
things.


>Square Empire Level E250 12-Inch Combo Square 12

Precision squares are a better value.


>Lubricating Paste Minwax Paste Finishing Wax 12

Briwax and Renaissance are much better.


>Mineral Spirits 6

Gallons of denatured alcohol, lacquer thinner, and acetone are always
handy in the shop, too. $10 a pop, can last years and years.


>Total Current Cost: $3000

Congrats on your windfall and prospective new tool purchases!

--
Education is when you read the fine print.
Experience is what you get if you don't.
-- Pete Seeger

On 11/9/2010 8:03 AM, [email protected] wrote:
> Having recently had a minor windfall, I decided to splurge and finally
> round out my budding shop. I have a budget of about $4K, and the
> entries below add up to about $3K. The rest will go on odds and ends,
> lumber, and anything that I may have missed.
>
> My shop is half of a two-car garage. I already have a table saw and
> miter saw (both poor quality), a decent router, and some small hand
> tools, including a decent 4-set of Irwin chisels and a few Avant
> planes.
>
> Projects will range from small items (pens, jewelry boxes), ranging up
> to furniture, and guitars if I get brave. I want to develop a range
> of skills involving hand tools and power tools. This is very much a
> personal enrichment hobby.
>
> The tools I've chosen are intended for the long haul, so I'm
> definitely trying to get these picks right the first time. Any
> suggestions or comments on my selections below?
>
> Bandsaw Grizzly G0555 14” 1HP 425
> Shipping 74
>
> Planer Makita 2012NB 473
>
> Jointer Grizzly G0586 8” 575
> Shipping 139
>
> Lathe JET JML 1014VSI 10-Inch-by-14-Inch 350
>
> Drill Press DELTA DP300L 190
>
> Dust Collection DELTA 50-760 1.5HP 1,200 CFM 371
>
> Tenoning Jig Grizzly H7583 77
> Dado Stack Oshlun SDS-0842 84
> Belt Sander UNDECIDED ???
>
> Marking Gauge Rockler 21
> Clamps Bessey KRK2450 160
> Coping Saw Robert Larson 540-2000 Coping Saw 17
> Water Stones UNDECIDED
> Square Empire Level E250 12-Inch Combo Square 12
> Lubricating Paste Minwax Paste Finishing Wax 12
> Mineral Spirits 6
>
>
> Total Current Cost: $3000

I believe you are missing a rafter square which is a solid metal
triangle with a wide edge such as the Empire 7 In. Magnum Fat Boy
Aluminum Rafter Square at Home Depot. I find this tool to be
invaluable in setting things up when working on the table saw, drill
press, checking the square of you small assemblies, etc.

While most people will say it should not happen these squares are sturdy
enough to survive being wiped from the bench onto the floor and not have
its accuracy effected.

On 11/9/2010 9:56 AM, tiredofspam wrote:

>> Lathe JET JML 1014VSI 10-Inch-by-14-Inch 350
>>

Might as well budget for cutting tools while you are at it.

>> Drill Press DELTA DP300L 190

Budget for (carbide) forstner bits?

I agree with the suggestion you received to mostly let your projects
guide some of your major purchases.

Bill

>> Dust Collection DELTA 50-760 1.5HP 1,200 CFM 371
>>
>> Tenoning Jig Grizzly H7583 77
>> Dado Stack Oshlun SDS-0842 84
>> Belt Sander UNDECIDED ???
>>
>> Marking Gauge Rockler 21
>> Clamps Bessey KRK2450 160
>> Coping Saw Robert Larson 540-2000 Coping Saw 17
>> Water Stones UNDECIDED
>> Square Empire Level E250 12-Inch Combo Square 12
>> Lubricating Paste Minwax Paste Finishing Wax 12
>> Mineral Spirits 6
>>
>>
>> Total Current Cost: $3000

On 11/9/2010 11:26 AM, Roy wrote:
> On Tue, 9 Nov 2010 07:56:27 -0800 (PST), RicodJour<[email protected]>
> wrote:
>>
>> A one car garage is not a lot of space, so you should certainly do a
>> layout and figure out what you actually have room for. If you buy a
>> tool in anticipation of doing work, and have to frequently move it to
>> do the work you actually do, you'll learn to hate that tool and you'll
>> end up selling it for a loss.
>
> I missed the one-car size the first time. These are very good points. Make
> sure that anything and everything you get is on good casters, preferably
> locking. I have been using these for several years, and have 5 tools/carts
> rolling on them. They are excellent, and even on sale until late in the month.
> I've found that 4 swivel casters work better for me than two fixed and two
> swivel in most cases.
>
> http://www.woodcraft.com/Product/2001989/3723/3-Caster-Double-Locking-Swiveling-with-4-Hole-Mounting-Plate-414-Tall.aspx?ss=f6fa0e8d-b3a7-41e2-a771-191b86426ba7
>
> Tinyurl: http://tinyurl.com/26vgc7b
>
>>
>> Tool collections should grow with capability. As your skills grow
>> (which frequently occurs by learning to make do with what you have),
>> you'll find that you will have very specific opinions on what is
>> necessary, desirable and what are the features you require. That's
>> something different than choosing tools from magazine reviews and the
>> popularity contest that Amazon reviews are.
>>
>> R
>


Wheels would be my main consideration for major items. Don't make your
work area inflexible by installing equipment and work benches that can
not be moved. I only have one fixed bench, everything else is on
wheels. If you have a project where you are cutting many parts on the
table saw, you can arrange your work space such that you have a
workbench close to the saw so you can pick up lay down without a lot of
movement. If you need an extension of the table saw move the bench to
be an out feed for the saw. If you are working on a large project and
need a lot of floor space every thing but what you are working on moves
to the side.

One thing I did not do was put the correct wheels on my benches. You
would be surprised what a loaded workbench weighs. Over a couple of
years the hard rubber one tend to get a flat spot which makes them hard
to move. Go for cast iron or equivalent.

On Tue, 09 Nov 2010 12:03:27 -0500, knuttle wrote:

> One thing I did not do was put the correct wheels on my benches. You
> would be surprised what a loaded workbench weighs. Over a couple of
> years the hard rubber one tend to get a flat spot which makes them hard
> to move. Go for cast iron or equivalent.

I put wheels under my workbench, but then jacked it up and rested it on a
4x4 (or maybe a 6x6) at each end. No weight on the wheels and the bench
is steadier as well. Since I move the bench at most once a year that
works out well. It might be a PITA if you move your bench frequently.

--
Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw

On Tue, 09 Nov 2010 05:03:09 -0800, [email protected] wrote:

> Lathe JET JML 1014VSI 10-Inch-by-14-Inch 350

A couple of suggestions. The Rikon mini is about the same price, but has
a 12" swing and 16" between centers and, IMNSHO, an easier belt change.

<http://www.rikontools.com/productpage_70-100.htm>

The next step up, and what I now use in my small shop, is the General
25-200 Maxi-lathe VS. It has variable speed, a swivel head, a 12" swing
inboard and a 19" swing outboard. 17" between centers.

<http://www.general.ca/site_general/g_produits/lathe/25-200.html>

Whatever you get, be aware that the cost of tools and accessories often
exceeds the cost of the lathe, especially on the lower priced lathes.
Here's what the local turners club suggests for tools.

<http://www.inwwoodturners.com/controls/articles/INW%20Woodturners%
20Beginners%20Tool%20List.pdf>

--
Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw

RicodJour wrote:
...

> Did you know that shopping carts in European supermarkets (and Borg
> equivalents) have four swivel casters? I couldn't count how many
> times have I've ohad to lift the fookin' back of the cart to move it
> out of the way of someone going by. The four swivels allow you to
> just push it in any direction. We certainly lag behind in some areas.
...

So are the luggage carts at the various terminals. Nothing worse than
trying to control one of them bastardly things going down a ramp w/ the
four bloody wheels all trying to go a different direction simultaneously...

Different but certainly not better (or as fit for purpose)...

--

Larry Blanchard wrote:
> On Tue, 09 Nov 2010 12:03:27 -0500, knuttle wrote:
>
>> One thing I did not do was put the correct wheels on my benches. You
>> would be surprised what a loaded workbench weighs. Over a couple of
>> years the hard rubber one tend to get a flat spot which makes them hard
>> to move. Go for cast iron or equivalent.
>
> I put wheels under my workbench, but then jacked it up and rested it on a
> 4x4 (or maybe a 6x6) at each end. No weight on the wheels and the bench
> is steadier as well. Since I move the bench at most once a year that
> works out well. It might be a PITA if you move your bench frequently.

The solution to both is to build the caster assembly to pivot w/ a lever
arm...

--

> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Having recently had a minor windfall, I decided to splurge and
>> finally
> round out my budding shop. I have a budget of about $4K, and the
> entries below add up to about $3K. The rest will go on odds and ends,
> lumber, and anything that I may have missed.
>
> My shop is half of a two-car garage. I already have a table saw and
> miter saw (both poor quality), a decent router, and some small hand
> tools, including a decent 4-set of Irwin chisels and a few Avant
> planes.

Be sure to "take inventory" and double check that your electrical and/or
lighting configuration is adequate for your plans. For instance, is 220v
power available/desirable for your next table saw? Personally, I've
been working on these things as I collect tools. I can repost or try to
provide links to some detailed suggestions I received if you are interested.

Bill

[email protected] wrote:
> Having recently had a minor windfall, I decided to splurge and finally
> round out my budding shop. I have a budget of about $4K, and the
> entries below add up to about $3K. The rest will go on odds and ends,
> lumber, and anything that I may have missed.
>
> My shop is half of a two-car garage. I already have a table saw and
> miter saw (both poor quality), a decent router, and some small hand
> tools, including a decent 4-set of Irwin chisels and a few Avant
> planes.
...
I'd suggest the first thing is as a couple of others have done--slow
down on the spending spree!!!

First, unless you're getting into this for a profit or other reason,
what's the hurry other than gratification of spending a wad of money in
the pocket?

If there really isn't a pressing time need, I'd also second the
suggestion (particularly if you're in a reasonably sizable population
center) to just watch for sale items in estate sales, yard sales,
craig's list, etc., etc, etc., ... , as well as go check out the pawn
shops and similar. Value is to be had there that may exceed quality of
what you're looking at now for less expenditure. Cost is some effort
and time...

Also, I'd suggest the first place I'd start as well would be to either
replace or at least upgrade the TS--it's the workhouse of almost all
cabinet work unless you're going to be primarily hand work (and, if
that's the case, I'd suggest the investment would be better served in
higher-quality hand tools instead of machines).

I'll also concur w/ one and disagree w/ one -- if cabinet work is your
plan and you have any intention of using other than already surfaced
solid lumber (and I can't imagine anything else, personally), then
definitely imo the largest jointer you can fit into the space is well
worth it. Again, that's my usage; at least one other poster always
disagrees and disparages same tool... :)

Again, I'd also emphasize that the shop area you're speaking of isn't
very big you'll find when/if all the stuff you've listed were to show
up--do some serious planning on work station, work flow, etc., etc.,
etc., or you'll have a roomful of tools and nowhere to work. Don't
overlook the need for assembly and intermediate work space as well in
that layout. Every board that goes thru the planer has to start on one
side and end up on the other. If it's a pile of rough lumber being
prepared, that's a need for a stack on each side and room for the cart
to bring the stack back from the outfeed end to the infeed for the next
pass. Which of course, illustrates that there ought to be room for two
carts to hold the stack so don't have to unload the one and pile it
somewhere so can return it to the outfeed side...

--

On 11/9/10 3:50 PM, Josepi wrote:
> Where does one get those semi-angled wheels that set down when you lift the
> other end of the workbench / table?
>

http://mikedrums.com/benchwheels.mpg

:-)


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In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:
<...snipped...>
>After doing without for several years I bought a Grizzly 8 inch. It is
>the least-used tool in the shop. All I use it for is prep. All it does
>is give me a set of boards flat on one side with a dependable right
>angle on one edge.
>
>I consider it perhaps not the very best tool investment I ever made,
>but certainly in the top ten. Just because it turns the prep work into
>an afternoon instead of a day or two, and just because it's so nice
>when everything's milled right.
>
>I got along without it for a long time, and it sits idle for long
>periods but every time I use it I feel like I got my money's worth.
>I've spent more money to get less satisfaction on quite a few other
>purchases.
>
>That said, I waited till I had the money and I knew of several places
>where I could get rough cut air dried lumber. Being able to mill any
>old board I brought into the shop was worth quite a bit to me. Your
>mileage might vary, but I wouldn't get rid of mine unless I was
>replacing it with a bigger and better one. :-)

Hey, you wanted a jointer, you bought a jointer. You don't have to
justify it to us. :)


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On 11/9/2010 12:04 PM, CW wrote:
> "knuttle"<[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> I believe you are missing a rafter square which is a solid metal triangle
>> with a wide edge such as the Empire 7 In. Magnum Fat Boy Aluminum Rafter
>> Square at Home Depot. I find this tool to be invaluable in setting
>> things up when working on the table saw, drill press, checking the square
>> of you small assemblies, etc.
>>
>> While most people will say it should not happen these squares are sturdy
>> enough to survive being wiped from the bench onto the floor and not have
>> its accuracy effected.
>
> Hope it is more square than a Speedsquare. Never got ahold of one of them
> that was square.
>
>
I don't know what mine is but it is "square". I have used it for years
setting up the table say to cut the miters on picture frames, where you
have 8 cuts in the 4 corners.

On 11/9/2010 1:00 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
> On 11/9/2010 6:41 AM, Robatoy wrote:
>> On Nov 9, 8:39 am, Robatoy<[email protected]> wrote:
>>> On Nov 9, 8:03 am, "[email protected]"<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Having recently had a minor windfall, I decided to splurge and finally
>>>> round out my budding shop. I have a budget of about $4K, and the
>>>> entries below add up to about $3K. The rest will go on odds and ends,
>>>> lumber, and anything that I may have missed.
>>>
>>>> My shop is half of a two-car garage. I already have a table saw and
>>>> miter saw (both poor quality), <clipped>
>
>>
>> If your table saw is poor quality, look there first. IMHO
>
> Ditto that. I had a Crapsman TS and upgraded to a Delta. I thought the
> Crapsman was adequate until I got the Delta. The difference was simply
> astonishing.

For the original poster. You said you have an older table saw, but you
gave no details.

Don't confuse the comments on the recent Craftsman table saws with the
10" Craftsman saws of the 50's and 60's. If you do it is like
comparing a Walmart special to a Delta.

If you have a 50's or 60's table saw it will serve your purpose and
probably have less plastic than the current expensive saws.

I have a 1968 10" Craftsman table saw that I inherited. My father inlaw
was going to a lot of woodworking and bought the best they had. I
aligned it once, and have not had to make any adjustments since.

Do have to keep a good coat of wax on the cast iron top, but it looks
like new.

On 11/9/10 9:10 PM, cHips wrote:
> -MIKE-<[email protected]>gave it up with;
>> On 11/9/10 3:50 PM, Josepi wrote:
>>> Where does one get those semi-angled wheels that set down when you lift the
>>> other end of the workbench / table?
>>>
>>
>> http://mikedrums.com/benchwheels.mpg
>>
>> :-)
> ..when you get Gymmys IP off the logs do post it.
> Interested persons are triangulating.
>
> cHips
>

I think you wooshed me... I have no clue what you're talking about.


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On 11/9/2010 9:15 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 11/9/10 9:10 PM, cHips wrote:
>> -MIKE-<[email protected]>gave it up with;
>>> On 11/9/10 3:50 PM, Josepi wrote:
>>>> Where does one get those semi-angled wheels that set down when you lift the
>>>> other end of the workbench / table?
>>>>
>>>
>>> http://mikedrums.com/benchwheels.mpg
>>>
>>> :-)
>> ..when you get Gymmys IP off the logs do post it.
>> Interested persons are triangulating.
>>
>> cHips
>>
>
> I think you wooshed me... I have no clue what you're talking about.

I think this guy is to Josepi what Dennis is to Rob...

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On 11/9/10 10:06 PM, Steve Turner wrote:
> On 11/9/2010 9:15 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>> On 11/9/10 9:10 PM, cHips wrote:
>>> -MIKE-<[email protected]>gave it up with;
>>>> On 11/9/10 3:50 PM, Josepi wrote:
>>>>> Where does one get those semi-angled wheels that set down when you
>>>>> lift the
>>>>> other end of the workbench / table?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://mikedrums.com/benchwheels.mpg
>>>>
>>>> :-)
>>> ..when you get Gymmys IP off the logs do post it.
>>> Interested persons are triangulating.
>>>
>>> cHips
>>>
>>
>> I think you wooshed me... I have no clue what you're talking about.
>
> I think this guy is to Josepi what Dennis is to Rob...
>

Hmmm.... ok. But maybe if Dennis had his own Dennis. :-)


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"-MIKE-" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 11/9/10 3:50 PM, Josepi wrote:
>> Where does one get those semi-angled wheels that set down when you lift
>> the
>> other end of the workbench / table?
>>
>
> http://mikedrums.com/benchwheels.mpg
>
> :-)
>
>


Got a problem with that one drawer, doncha ... :)

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On 11/09/2010 11:30 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 11/9/10 10:06 PM, Steve Turner wrote:
>> On 11/9/2010 9:15 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>>> On 11/9/10 9:10 PM, cHips wrote:
>>>> -MIKE-<[email protected]>gave it up with;
>>>>> On 11/9/10 3:50 PM, Josepi wrote:
>>>>>> Where does one get those semi-angled wheels that set down when you
>>>>>> lift the
>>>>>> other end of the workbench / table?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://mikedrums.com/benchwheels.mpg
>>>>>
>>>>> :-)
>>>> ..when you get Gymmys IP off the logs do post it.
>>>> Interested persons are triangulating.
>>>>
>>>> cHips
>>>>
>>>
>>> I think you wooshed me... I have no clue what you're talking about.
>>
>> I think this guy is to Josepi what Dennis is to Rob...
>>
>
> Hmmm.... ok. But maybe if Dennis had his own Dennis. :-)

Yeah, that's probably a more accurate assessment... Geez, every day I become more keenly
aware of how precious little time we have to live our lives to the fullest. What a sad
existence it must be to waste so much of it stalking other people on the internet.

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On 11/10/10 2:24 AM, Lobby Dosser wrote:
> "-MIKE-" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On 11/9/10 3:50 PM, Josepi wrote:
>>> Where does one get those semi-angled wheels that set down when you
>>> lift the
>>> other end of the workbench / table?
>>>
>>
>> http://mikedrums.com/benchwheels.mpg
>>
>> :-)
>>
>>
>
>
> Got a problem with that one drawer, doncha ... :)
>

Yeah... :-)
Did.... I pounded a couple indents into the backs of the rails so the
wheels drop down and hold.


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On 11/10/10 6:44 AM, Swingman wrote:
> On 11/10/2010 2:24 AM, Lobby Dosser wrote:
>
>> Got a problem with that one drawer, doncha ... :)
>
> ROTFL .... just hate it when a drawer follows you out the door!
>
> That was funny ...
>

I love when stuff like that happens.
My personality is such that I'd rather be funny than profound. :-)

I got a bunch of those drawers at a best buy that closed down. I offered
something stupid like 10 bucks per box and took 6 or 8, I can't
remember. They've been through a bunch reincarnations and are ugly, but
have served me well.


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On 11/10/10 9:15 AM, Steve Turner wrote:
>>>>> ..when you get Gymmys IP off the logs do post it.
>>>>> Interested persons are triangulating.
>>>>>
>>>>> cHips
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I think you wooshed me... I have no clue what you're talking about.
>>>
>>> I think this guy is to Josepi what Dennis is to Rob...
>>>
>>
>> Hmmm.... ok. But maybe if Dennis had his own Dennis. :-)
>
> Yeah, that's probably a more accurate assessment... Geez, every day I
> become more keenly aware of how precious little time we have to live our
> lives to the fullest. What a sad existence it must be to waste so much
> of it stalking other people on the internet.
>

How true is that? I've made lots of internet friends who turned into
"real" friends after meeting in person... including you. It only takes a
couple words and a hand shake to figure out if they have a screw loose.

I bet you weren't so sure about me, when I went straight in for the
bro-hug. :-)


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-MIKE-

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On 11/10/2010 11:38 AM, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 11/10/10 9:15 AM, Steve Turner wrote:
>>>>>> ..when you get Gymmys IP off the logs do post it.
>>>>>> Interested persons are triangulating.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> cHips
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I think you wooshed me... I have no clue what you're talking about.
>>>>
>>>> I think this guy is to Josepi what Dennis is to Rob...
>>>>
>>>
>>> Hmmm.... ok. But maybe if Dennis had his own Dennis. :-)
>>
>> Yeah, that's probably a more accurate assessment... Geez, every day I
>> become more keenly aware of how precious little time we have to live our
>> lives to the fullest. What a sad existence it must be to waste so much
>> of it stalking other people on the internet.
>>
>
> How true is that? I've made lots of internet friends who turned into
> "real" friends after meeting in person... including you. It only takes a
> couple words and a hand shake to figure out if they have a screw loose.

Just based upon our internet conversations I was already 95% sure you didn't have any loose
screws, but watching you prepare for the gig before I finally decided it was ok to "bother"
you was the final proof. I didn't get that same air of professionalism from the other
drummer I'd met earlier that evening. :-)

> I bet you weren't so sure about me, when I went straight in for the bro-hug. :-)

Nah; I thought nary a thing of it. I'm definitely a hand-shaker and not a hugger (unless
you're a girl), but I can handle the occasional "bro-hug", as long as you don't get too
carried away. :-)

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On 11/10/10 5:13 PM, Steve Turner wrote:
> On 11/10/2010 11:38 AM, -MIKE- wrote:
>>> Yeah, that's probably a more accurate assessment... Geez, every day I
>>> become more keenly aware of how precious little time we have to live our
>>> lives to the fullest. What a sad existence it must be to waste so much
>>> of it stalking other people on the internet.
>>>
>>
>> How true is that? I've made lots of internet friends who turned into
>> "real" friends after meeting in person... including you. It only takes a
>> couple words and a hand shake to figure out if they have a screw loose.
>
> Just based upon our internet conversations I was already 95% sure you
> didn't have any loose screws, but watching you prepare for the gig
> before I finally decided it was ok to "bother" you was the final proof.
> I didn't get that same air of professionalism from the other drummer I'd
> met earlier that evening. :-)
>

Well thanks. (was that the opener?)

>> I bet you weren't so sure about me, when I went straight in for the
>> bro-hug. :-)
>
> Nah; I thought nary a thing of it. I'm definitely a hand-shaker and not
> a hugger (unless you're a girl), but I can handle the occasional
> "bro-hug", as long as you don't get too carried away. :-)
>

I wasn't sure how they handle things down in Texas. :-)

You don't know how tempted I was to do the Bill Murray, uncomfortably
long, awkward hug from Groundhog Day.


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On 11/10/2010 5:34 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 11/10/10 5:13 PM, Steve Turner wrote:
>> On 11/10/2010 11:38 AM, -MIKE- wrote:
>>>> Yeah, that's probably a more accurate assessment... Geez, every day I
>>>> become more keenly aware of how precious little time we have to live our
>>>> lives to the fullest. What a sad existence it must be to waste so much
>>>> of it stalking other people on the internet.
>>>>
>>>
>>> How true is that? I've made lots of internet friends who turned into
>>> "real" friends after meeting in person... including you. It only takes a
>>> couple words and a hand shake to figure out if they have a screw loose.
>>
>> Just based upon our internet conversations I was already 95% sure you
>> didn't have any loose screws, but watching you prepare for the gig
>> before I finally decided it was ok to "bother" you was the final proof.
>> I didn't get that same air of professionalism from the other drummer I'd
>> met earlier that evening. :-)
>>
>
> Well thanks. (was that the opener?)

They were supposed to be, but something got screwed up and the Angels played
first, which was just fine by me.

>>> I bet you weren't so sure about me, when I went straight in for the
>>> bro-hug. :-)
>>
>> Nah; I thought nary a thing of it. I'm definitely a hand-shaker and not
>> a hugger (unless you're a girl), but I can handle the occasional
>> "bro-hug", as long as you don't get too carried away. :-)
>>
>
> I wasn't sure how they handle things down in Texas. :-)
>
> You don't know how tempted I was to do the Bill Murray, uncomfortably
> long, awkward hug from Groundhog Day.

Yeah, I think that would fall under the category of "getting too carried away".
:-)

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On Tue, 9 Nov 2010 07:56:27 -0800 (PST), RicodJour <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>A one car garage is not a lot of space, so you should certainly do a
>layout and figure out what you actually have room for. If you buy a
>tool in anticipation of doing work, and have to frequently move it to
>do the work you actually do, you'll learn to hate that tool and you'll
>end up selling it for a loss.

I missed the one-car size the first time. These are very good points. Make
sure that anything and everything you get is on good casters, preferably
locking. I have been using these for several years, and have 5 tools/carts
rolling on them. They are excellent, and even on sale until late in the month.
I've found that 4 swivel casters work better for me than two fixed and two
swivel in most cases.

http://www.woodcraft.com/Product/2001989/3723/3-Caster-Double-Locking-Swiveling-with-4-Hole-Mounting-Plate-414-Tall.aspx?ss=f6fa0e8d-b3a7-41e2-a771-191b86426ba7

Tinyurl: http://tinyurl.com/26vgc7b

>
>Tool collections should grow with capability. As your skills grow
>(which frequently occurs by learning to make do with what you have),
>you'll find that you will have very specific opinions on what is
>necessary, desirable and what are the features you require. That's
>something different than choosing tools from magazine reviews and the
>popularity contest that Amazon reviews are.
>
>R

On 11/9/2010 6:41 AM, Robatoy wrote:
> On Nov 9, 8:39 am, Robatoy<[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Nov 9, 8:03 am, "[email protected]"<[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Having recently had a minor windfall, I decided to splurge and finally
>>> round out my budding shop. I have a budget of about $4K, and the
>>> entries below add up to about $3K. The rest will go on odds and ends,
>>> lumber, and anything that I may have missed.
>>
>>> My shop is half of a two-car garage. I already have a table saw and
>>> miter saw (both poor quality), <clipped>

>
> If your table saw is poor quality, look there first. IMHO

Ditto that. I had a Crapsman TS and upgraded to a Delta. I thought the
Crapsman was adequate until I got the Delta. The difference was simply
astonishing.

On 11/9/2010 8:03 AM, [email protected] wrote:
> Having recently had a minor windfall, I decided to splurge and finally
> round out my budding shop. I have a budget of about $4K, and the
> entries below add up to about $3K. The rest will go on odds and ends,
> lumber, and anything that I may have missed.
>
> My shop is half of a two-car garage. I already have a table saw and
> miter saw (both poor quality), a decent router, and some small hand
> tools, including a decent 4-set of Irwin chisels and a few Avant
> planes.

You mention you have a poor quality table saw. The table saw is the
workhorse of the workshop. Before you splurge on additions like a lathe,
etc. I'd upgrade your tablesaw to at least a good contractor's saw.
Delta, Powermatic, Dewalt, etc. all make saws in this category.

You should be able to get a good table saw for < $1000 and still have
money left over for all the other things you listed. As long as you
struggle with a poor quality tablesaw, your woodworking will suffer.

~Mark.

"RicodJour" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:fd9c034a-e990-446a-b86c-a50476e50ade@n32g2000pre.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 9, 11:26 am, Roy <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Tue, 9 Nov 2010 07:56:27 -0800 (PST), RicodJour
> <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >A one car garage is not a lot of space, so you should certainly do a
> >layout and figure out what you actually have room for. If you buy a
> >tool in anticipation of doing work, and have to frequently move it to
> >do the work you actually do, you'll learn to hate that tool and you'll
> >end up selling it for a loss.
>
> I missed the one-car size the first time. These are very good points. Make
> sure that anything and everything you get is on good casters, preferably
> locking. I have been using these for several years, and have 5 tools/carts
> rolling on them. They are excellent, and even on sale until late in the
> month.
> I've found that 4 swivel casters work better for me than two fixed and two
> swivel in most cases.

Did you know that shopping carts in European supermarkets (and Borg
equivalents) have four swivel casters? I couldn't count how many
times have I've ohad to lift the fookin' back of the cart to move it
out of the way of someone going by. The four swivels allow you to
just push it in any direction. We certainly lag behind in some areas.

R

While 4 swivel wheels is ok for moving out of the way when parked I
absolutely hate the 4 swivel carts then actually trying to go some where
with one. They tend to go where they want to go rather than where you want
them to go.