APOLOGY TO GROUP

You've had your welcome by fire... Stick around and share some of the
40 years experience with us.

djb

--
There are no socks in my email address.

"Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati"

hell, I don't mind taking it on the chin once in a while!! :) yeah,
right! (Actually, I was kinda bummed when Keeter posted a WW related
issue with no BS for me... :) )


dave

David Babcock wrote:

> "Expert Woodworker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>
>>I am sorry if my earlier statements offended anyone or ruffled anyone's
>>feathers. I was offering an option for newcomers to the trade. I never
>>claimed to be endorsing industrial grade products, just an inexpensive
>>option for people to get started based on a recent purchase for my
>
> grandson
>
>>that I was surprisingly satisfied with. Of course it is a rougher path
>
> when
>
>>using less expensive tools, but the job can still get done if you do
>
> things
>
>>carefully.
>>
>>I will not bother with the rest of the series I was going to post here. I
>>am obviously not welcome by the majority. I also apologize for those who
>>were offended by my opening sarcastic crack about some of the regulars
>>here. But it was only sarcasm, not meant to be an attack on the group as a
>>whole, and you should all try to remember that you can not see a person's
>>face or read his body language from a computer. I am not a very efficient
>>communicator. I am up in years and I am getting out of touch with
>>socializing.
>>
>>Peace be with all of you for the holidays.
>>
>
>
> Ya can't let the grief get to you. Look at BAD.........hi Dave!!!
> Share your wisdom, and experience, and in just a short time you'll be giving
> it back with the best of them..........oh yeah......I might think about that
> handle though
>
> Dave
>
>

Dan Parrell wrote:
> That's what you get for coming out with your air screw guns a blazing.I'm a
> newbie here and know enough not to judge anyone.There are talented guys out
> there with 5-15 yrs of experience that could put a 30-40yr veterans to
> shame.

Excellent example. Expert woodworker, if you're there, do a fast search
on Dan here. He's new to the group, came in with a good question, got a
mild ration of s**t and has a place on the porch. I new he was a
keeeper. <BSEG>
Dave in Fairfax
--
reply-to doesn't work
use:
daveldr at att dot net

Bay Area Dave wrote:
>hell, I don't mind taking it on the chin once in a while!! :) yeah,
>right! (Actually, I was kinda bummed when Keeter posted a WW related
>issue with no BS for me... :) )


You know Dave you strike as the kind of guy that won't be
having many (maybe even any) cars in your funeral
procession.

That make you feel better?

UA100

Silvan wrote:
>
> Mine does too. Why do women *do* that? Honey, I'm fine with the fashions I
> was wearing in college. Why do I need to put on this new stuff?
>
Earlier, you said something about getting lucky tonight. Is this part
of it?
j4

On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 12:21:15 GMT, Unisaw A100 wrote:
>
> Bay Area Dave wrote:
>>hell, I don't mind taking it on the chin once in a while!! :) yeah,
>>right! (Actually, I was kinda bummed when Keeter posted a WW related
>>issue with no BS for me... :) )
>
>
> You know Dave you strike as the kind of guy that won't be
> having many (maybe even any) cars in your funeral
> procession.
>
> That make you feel better?
>

Talking about funerals, some of you guys might want to chip in for a
headstone when BAD pops his clogs:

http://poetry.rotten.com/john-fu/

BTW, I don't have a problem with BAD's posts so I'm keeping my money
in my pocket ;)

--

Frank

http://www.freebsd.org/

"Expert Woodworker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
> I am sorry if my earlier statements offended anyone or ruffled anyone's
> feathers. I was offering an option for newcomers to the trade. I never
> claimed to be endorsing industrial grade products, just an inexpensive
> option for people to get started based on a recent purchase for my
grandson
> that I was surprisingly satisfied with. Of course it is a rougher path
when
> using less expensive tools, but the job can still get done if you do
things
> carefully.
>
> I will not bother with the rest of the series I was going to post here. I
> am obviously not welcome by the majority. I also apologize for those who
> were offended by my opening sarcastic crack about some of the regulars
> here. But it was only sarcasm, not meant to be an attack on the group as a
> whole, and you should all try to remember that you can not see a person's
> face or read his body language from a computer. I am not a very efficient
> communicator. I am up in years and I am getting out of touch with
> socializing.
>
> Peace be with all of you for the holidays.
>

Ya can't let the grief get to you. Look at BAD.........hi Dave!!!
Share your wisdom, and experience, and in just a short time you'll be giving
it back with the best of them..........oh yeah......I might think about that
handle though

Dave

I have a favor to ask...please rethink your decision.

I have been a woodworker and computer nut far longer than the internet
has existed. Newsgroups are a peculiar social phenomenon. It seems a
few people post a little more than others, then think their opinions
matter more than anyone elses. Not so. The vast majority of newsgroup
patrons are guys who just lurk and try to learn. Those are the folks
you were trying to reach with your original post. I am not a novice and
have a well equipped shop. I would not have recommended the tools you
did, but that is because I have not used them. I still found your
insight interesting and thought provoking. I have no doubt there are
many others who will never post, but that found your recommendations
interesting as well. I was looking forward to your next post, and
again, would ask you to reconsider.

As for the "elite" who may have tried to abuse you and your opinions, I
have a small recommendation of my own. "Don't let the bastards get you
down". They were not your intended audience, and their opinions are
just that, theirs... I am not interested in what they think, and I hope
you are not either. If there is one future woodworker who was helped by
what you said, his being helped is far more important than their
opinions. You have nothing to apologize for, because all you did was
try to help someone else. Ignore the "elitists" who probably spend more
time polishing their fancy, and expensive, tools than they spend using them.

I look forward to your posting a follow up sometime in the near future,

Signed,

The crabbiest old woodworker in South Texas,

Bill

Expert Woodworker wrote:
> I am sorry if my earlier statements offended anyone or ruffled anyone's
> feathers. I was offering an option for newcomers to the trade. I never
> claimed to be endorsing industrial grade products, just an inexpensive
> option for people to get started based on a recent purchase for my grandson
> that I was surprisingly satisfied with. Of course it is a rougher path when
> using less expensive tools, but the job can still get done if you do things
> carefully.
>
> I will not bother with the rest of the series I was going to post here. I
> am obviously not welcome by the majority. I also apologize for those who
> were offended by my opening sarcastic crack about some of the regulars
> here. But it was only sarcasm, not meant to be an attack on the group as a
> whole, and you should all try to remember that you can not see a person's
> face or read his body language from a computer. I am not a very efficient
> communicator. I am up in years and I am getting out of touch with
> socializing.
>
> Peace be with all of you for the holidays.
>

Water on a ducks back and all that stuff.... <grin>

I have a few tools from Harbor Freight. Cheap, yes, but I wasn't sure I
wanted to fork out the big bucks on the higher priced tools right off the
bat. Same way as I bought the cheap tools when I was learning to be a
mechanic MANY years ago. I bought the cheap imported junk to get my feet
wet. Once I had decided to make a career out of it, I replaced them all with
SnapOn tools. Good quality, lifetime warranty and they wear very well. I am
sure they will outlast me.

Back to the woodworking tools. Same deal. I have cheapo tools, some I use
all the time, some not. Some I am planning to replace with better more
expensive (and accurate) equipment. All in due time. Had I realized that I
did not really enjoy woodworking, I would not have much $$$ in them so no
great loss...plus I could sell them faster...

If that hurts someones toes....please come back and I'll be sure to have the
waffle Eswing in hand next time...

Mark (one of them anyway)

"Expert Woodworker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
> I am sorry if my earlier statements offended anyone or ruffled anyone's
> feathers. I was offering an option for newcomers to the trade. I never
> claimed to be endorsing industrial grade products, just an inexpensive
> option for people to get started based on a recent purchase for my
grandson
> that I was surprisingly satisfied with. Of course it is a rougher path
when
> using less expensive tools, but the job can still get done if you do
things
> carefully.
>
> I will not bother with the rest of the series I was going to post here. I
> am obviously not welcome by the majority. I also apologize for those who
> were offended by my opening sarcastic crack about some of the regulars
> here. But it was only sarcasm, not meant to be an attack on the group as a
> whole, and you should all try to remember that you can not see a person's
> face or read his body language from a computer. I am not a very efficient
> communicator. I am up in years and I am getting out of touch with
> socializing.
>
> Peace be with all of you for the holidays.
>

What...after 40 years of hacking wood and you're gonna let a little ole
flamin chase ya off. Not a chance. With your gumption and balls to stand
there and take it (as well as deliver a few good rounds in return), I think
you'll fit in just fine.

Welcome to the wRECk and spin a yarn or two for us about what, where and how
you did your woodworking.

Bob S.

In article <[email protected]>, Bay Area Dave <[email protected]> wrote:
>hell, I don't mind taking it on the chin once in a while!! :)

You mean you're into "facials"? <gd&r>

Dan's wife dresses him funny too.... <ducking>
<grin>

<[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> Dan Parrell wrote:
> > That's what you get for coming out with your air screw guns a
blazing.I'm a
> > newbie here and know enough not to judge anyone.There are talented guys
out
> > there with 5-15 yrs of experience that could put a 30-40yr veterans to
> > shame.
>
> Excellent example. Expert woodworker, if you're there, do a fast search
> on Dan here. He's new to the group, came in with a good question, got a
> mild ration of s**t and has a place on the porch. I new he was a
> keeeper. <BSEG>
> Dave in Fairfax
> --
> reply-to doesn't work
> use:
> daveldr at att dot net

Expert Woodworker wrote:
> I am sorry if my earlier statements offended anyone or ruffled
> anyone's feathers. I was offering an option for newcomers to the
> trade. I never claimed to be endorsing industrial grade products,
> just an inexpensive option for people to get started based on a
> recent purchase for my grandson that I was surprisingly satisfied
> with. Of course it is a rougher path when using less expensive tools,
> but the job can still get done if you do things carefully.
>
> I will not bother with the rest of the series I was going to post
> here. I am obviously not welcome by the majority. I also apologize
> for those who were offended by my opening sarcastic crack about some
> of the regulars here. But it was only sarcasm, not meant to be an
> attack on the group as a whole, and you should all try to remember
> that you can not see a person's face or read his body language from a
> computer. I am not a very efficient communicator. I am up in years
> and I am getting out of touch with socializing.
>
> Peace be with all of you for the holidays.

Start with adding lots of smileys embedded in the text to enhance your
sarcasm.
Next I would change my username as the one you have, though maybe true, is a
little agressive in this group.
Stick around, even old experts can learn something from this group, as
you've already found out about posting ettiquite.

Gary, one of the other Gary's

That's what you get for coming out with your air screw guns a blazing.I'm a
newbie here and know enough not to judge anyone.There are talented guys out
there with 5-15 yrs of experience that could put a 30-40yr veterans to
shame.I think I would get much opinion from the masses before deciding
myself what should a good starter kit consist of.The drill you speak of runs
on 90 cfm,you would need a fair size compressor to operate that tool
efficiently, otherwise you would cause a smaller compressor to cut in and
out constantly,plus dragging a hose around. I think I would opt out and
choose a cheezy cordlees rather that put up with the noise and baggage.
I was looking forward to Part 2 "How to use a table saw" as i'm having
problems sawing wood.When I approach the saw blade with a piece of lumber,
the blade grabs it a flicks the wood across the room.I was going to try
sawing from the other side of the table but was afraid that I may get hit in
the face with a plank.
Question: What do you suggest?

"Expert Woodworker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
> I am sorry if my earlier statements offended anyone or ruffled anyone's
> feathers. I was offering an option for newcomers to the trade. I never
> claimed to be endorsing industrial grade products, just an inexpensive
> option for people to get started based on a recent purchase for my
grandson
> that I was surprisingly satisfied with. Of course it is a rougher path
when
> using less expensive tools, but the job can still get done if you do
things
> carefully.
>
> I will not bother with the rest of the series I was going to post here. I
> am obviously not welcome by the majority. I also apologize for those who
> were offended by my opening sarcastic crack about some of the regulars
> here. But it was only sarcasm, not meant to be an attack on the group as a
> whole, and you should all try to remember that you can not see a person's
> face or read his body language from a computer. I am not a very efficient
> communicator. I am up in years and I am getting out of touch with
> socializing.
>
> Peace be with all of you for the holidays.
>

Gary,

If you walked into a bar full of strangers, turned over an empty glass,
introduced yourself as the hardest man in town and told the company that an
un-named proportion of them are, in effect, jerks, then you'd expect a
number to them to take a swing at you. You're old enough to know that :)

You'll find that on this ng - as in life - if you treat people with courtesy
and good humour, you'll get it back (mostly). One thing I've found with
the internet and email generally is that any negativity in your statements
seems to be amplified. You can smile and call someone a silly bastard with
affection in your voice and it goes over ok. But the same statement (even
if the sentiment and intention were the same) would almost certainly cause
grave offence in print without something else added to remove the sting.

If your apology is genuine, then I'm happy to accept it at face value.

If it's all a troll, well, it's a good 'un!

Cheers, and a Merry Xmas to you and yours.

Frank

PS - lose the handle, mate.



"Expert Woodworker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
> I am sorry if my earlier statements offended anyone or ruffled anyone's
> feathers. I was offering an option for newcomers to the trade. I never
> claimed to be endorsing industrial grade products, just an inexpensive
> option for people to get started based on a recent purchase for my
grandson
> that I was surprisingly satisfied with. Of course it is a rougher path
when
> using less expensive tools, but the job can still get done if you do
things
> carefully.
>
> I will not bother with the rest of the series I was going to post here. I
> am obviously not welcome by the majority. I also apologize for those who
> were offended by my opening sarcastic crack about some of the regulars
> here. But it was only sarcasm, not meant to be an attack on the group as a
> whole, and you should all try to remember that you can not see a person's
> face or read his body language from a computer. I am not a very efficient
> communicator. I am up in years and I am getting out of touch with
> socializing.
>
> Peace be with all of you for the holidays.
>

I resemble that re-"mark".My pink bib coveralls do go good with my blue
polka dot hankerchief.
"Mark Hopkins" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Dan's wife dresses him funny too.... <ducking>
> <grin>
>
> <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> > Dan Parrell wrote:
> > > That's what you get for coming out with your air screw guns a
> blazing.I'm a
> > > newbie here and know enough not to judge anyone.There are talented
guys
> out
> > > there with 5-15 yrs of experience that could put a 30-40yr veterans to
> > > shame.
> >
> > Excellent example. Expert woodworker, if you're there, do a fast search
> > on Dan here. He's new to the group, came in with a good question, got a
> > mild ration of s**t and has a place on the porch. I new he was a
> > keeeper. <BSEG>
> > Dave in Fairfax
> > --
> > reply-to doesn't work
> > use:
> > daveldr at att dot net
>
>

for me it's a baggy pair of track pants,old beat up addidas and a loose but
tell-tale tee-shirt full of stain and varnish from past jobs. I don't care
what I wear so long as my gear is covered,hate to think what it would feel
like using paint thinners to clean up the little guy.
"Silvan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Mark Hopkins wrote:
>
> > Dan's wife dresses him funny too.... <ducking>
> > <grin>
>
> Mine does too. Why do women *do* that? Honey, I'm fine with the fashions
I
> was wearing in college. Why do I need to put on this new stuff?
>
> --
> Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan <[email protected]>
> Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
> http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/
>

That's right Bob,if you are good enough to stand on the soap box and give
it, than you better take it when the Q&A's starts. There was only one
"Expert" but they crucified and nailed him to his own handy work.
"Bob S." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> What...after 40 years of hacking wood and you're gonna let a little ole
> flamin chase ya off. Not a chance. With your gumption and balls to stand
> there and take it (as well as deliver a few good rounds in return), I
think
> you'll fit in just fine.
>
> Welcome to the wRECk and spin a yarn or two for us about what, where and
how
> you did your woodworking.
>
> Bob S.
>
>
>

laugh's out loud,wife's in kitchen asking what's so funny,coffee all over
screen and key board
"Doug Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:WNhFb.17823$P%[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>, Bay Area Dave
<[email protected]> wrote:
> >hell, I don't mind taking it on the chin once in a while!! :)
>
> You mean you're into "facials"? <gd&r>

Thanks Luigi,hats off to you sir !
"Luigi Zanasi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 16:03:17 -0330, "Dan Parrell"
> <[email protected]> scribbled
>
> >I was looking forward to Part 2 "How to use a table saw" as i'm having
> >problems sawing wood.When I approach the saw blade with a piece of
lumber,
> >the blade grabs it a flicks the wood across the room.I was going to try
> >sawing from the other side of the table but was afraid that I may get hit
in
> >the face with a plank.
> >Question: What do you suggest?
>
> Could be much worse, you could get hit in the nuts. Turn the wood
> around, you twit!
>
> Sheesh, this is just like the guy who was tossing out half the nails
> when we were installing siding 'cause the heads were on the wrong end
> of the nail, without realising they were for the other side of the
> house.
>
> Luigi
> Who should know better than to engage in repartee with a
> Newfoundlander after having lived in St.John's and losing every single
> battle of wits, but nevertheless cannot resist.
> Replace "no" with "yk" for real email address
>
> Welcome to the Moron Bench, Dan. You have earned a distinguished place
> on it after smiting that mentally challenged end of an intestinal
> tract (tmJH) aka Homer. :-)
>
>

I agree Mark. If it is a tool I will be using extensively, I buy the
best one my wifes let me ;) Although I WANTED that $1,500 table saw, I
started out with a Grizzly contractors saw which started out being much
more accurate than I was and after 3 years I am just now getting to the
point where I'm looking to upgrade (but still don't *need* to). With the
money saved I got my shop set up with enough tools to allow me to make
furniture nice enough that the wife is authorizing the better tools :)

Unfortunately, this isn't my only hobby and I have to spread the cash
around for maximum toys (I plan on winning when I die)....



"Mark Hopkins" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> Water on a ducks back and all that stuff.... <grin>
>
> I have a few tools from Harbor Freight. Cheap, yes, but I wasn't sure
> I wanted to fork out the big bucks on the higher priced tools right
> off the bat. Same way as I bought the cheap tools when I was learning
> to be a mechanic MANY years ago. I bought the cheap imported junk to
> get my feet wet. Once I had decided to make a career out of it, I
> replaced them all with SnapOn tools. Good quality, lifetime warranty
> and they wear very well. I am sure they will outlast me.
>
> Back to the woodworking tools. Same deal. I have cheapo tools, some I
> use all the time, some not. Some I am planning to replace with better
> more expensive (and accurate) equipment. All in due time. Had I
> realized that I did not really enjoy woodworking, I would not have
> much $$$ in them so no great loss...plus I could sell them faster...
>

Apology accepted.

1) Now change your handle to something less pontificating like your real
name. (Gary is it?)
2) Post some pics of your 40+ year woodworking career in A.B.P.W.
(alt.binaries.pictures.woodworking)
3) Start all opinion threads with "IMHO". (In My Humble Opinion)
4) Don't get offended when people don't agree with your "opinions". Most of
the time we are only experienced with something from one facet when indeed
there are many sides to any given situation.

This is really a good resource and I look forward to hearing some of your
advice for the many questions around here. I know I have gotten excellent
advice here and it always seems there is at least one person who will know
an answer for any question.
A good example for me was my cutting boards were all bowing up on the sides
after I made them, without hesistation someone said quit laying them down on
the counter. Laf! That is exactly what I was doing, now I stack then
vertically hehe.

Have a great day!
Rich











"Expert Woodworker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
> I am sorry if my earlier statements offended anyone or ruffled anyone's
> feathers. I was offering an option for newcomers to the trade. I never
> claimed to be endorsing industrial grade products, just an inexpensive
> option for people to get started based on a recent purchase for my
grandson
> that I was surprisingly satisfied with. Of course it is a rougher path
when
> using less expensive tools, but the job can still get done if you do
things
> carefully.
>
> I will not bother with the rest of the series I was going to post here. I
> am obviously not welcome by the majority. I also apologize for those who
> were offended by my opening sarcastic crack about some of the regulars
> here. But it was only sarcasm, not meant to be an attack on the group as a
> whole, and you should all try to remember that you can not see a person's
> face or read his body language from a computer. I am not a very efficient
> communicator. I am up in years and I am getting out of touch with
> socializing.
>
> Peace be with all of you for the holidays.
>
>

Mark Hopkins wrote:

> Dan's wife dresses him funny too.... <ducking>
> <grin>

Mine does too. Why do women *do* that? Honey, I'm fine with the fashions I
was wearing in college. Why do I need to put on this new stuff?

--
Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan <[email protected]>
Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/

On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 16:03:17 -0330, "Dan Parrell"
<[email protected]> scribbled

>I was looking forward to Part 2 "How to use a table saw" as i'm having
>problems sawing wood.When I approach the saw blade with a piece of lumber,
>the blade grabs it a flicks the wood across the room.I was going to try
>sawing from the other side of the table but was afraid that I may get hit in
>the face with a plank.
>Question: What do you suggest?

Could be much worse, you could get hit in the nuts. Turn the wood
around, you twit!

Sheesh, this is just like the guy who was tossing out half the nails
when we were installing siding 'cause the heads were on the wrong end
of the nail, without realising they were for the other side of the
house.

Luigi
Who should know better than to engage in repartee with a
Newfoundlander after having lived in St.John's and losing every single
battle of wits, but nevertheless cannot resist.
Replace "no" with "yk" for real email address

Welcome to the Moron Bench, Dan. You have earned a distinguished place
on it after smiting that mentally challenged end of an intestinal
tract (tmJH) aka Homer. :-)

I followed the controversial thread that you started earlier. You claim to
be an experienced woodworker and I respect that. As someone who has been
using usenet since the mid eighties, my advice is to lurk lurk lurk and only
decloak when you are comfortable with the banter. Answer specific questions
that you are sure of. Once your name is known, you will be respected for
your positions.

If you had lurked a while you would have learned that people here are big on
buying quality tools out of the chute, buy once, cry once. Most
inexperienced woodworkers (myself included) buy the cheapest tools they can
find, then regret it when a better tool is not in the budget down the road.
Having someone bill themselves as "Expert Woodworker" then inviting them to
buy very poor quality tools is just too much for the old timers around here
to take.

You are welcome to stay around and give us the benefit of your experience
when we ask specific questions.

If you are just a troll, you will be killfiled anyway and quickly become
irrelevant.

Montyhp

"Expert Woodworker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
> I am sorry if my earlier statements offended anyone or ruffled anyone's
> feathers. I was offering an option for newcomers to the trade. I never
> claimed to be endorsing industrial grade products, just an inexpensive
> option for people to get started based on a recent purchase for my
grandson
> that I was surprisingly satisfied with. Of course it is a rougher path
when
> using less expensive tools, but the job can still get done if you do
things
> carefully.
>
> I will not bother with the rest of the series I was going to post here. I
> am obviously not welcome by the majority. I also apologize for those who
> were offended by my opening sarcastic crack about some of the regulars
> here. But it was only sarcasm, not meant to be an attack on the group as a
> whole, and you should all try to remember that you can not see a person's
> face or read his body language from a computer. I am not a very efficient
> communicator. I am up in years and I am getting out of touch with
> socializing.
>
> Peace be with all of you for the holidays.
>