OT - INCRA 1000HD Silly Question

RonB <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Thursday, January 3, 2013 3:18:45 PM UTC-6, RonB wrote:
>> Santa Sweetie got me a new INCRA 1000HD for Christmas. I have been
>> fighting the crud but finally got it installed and calibrated today and
>> I am impressed with the overall miter gage. However, the installation
>> handbook suggests a sub-fence or zero clearance sacrificial fence made
>> of MDF or similar material. I have such a fence on my stock miter
>> gages but was wondering, with the extension bar, do you rally need it
>> for more than controlling tear-out.
>>
>>
>>
>> How many INCRA users have made a sub fence?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>>
>> RonB
>
> I went ahead a made an MDF fence after I posted the message. I thought
> it would be more difficult to get on and off; but the the plate nuts make
> removal simple and quick. No big deal. I'll probably make a couple more
> to keep in reserve.

FWIW I quickly added a MDF fence to my 1000 HD. Make it long enough and
you can cut it as it wears on the ends.

tiredofspam <nospam.nospam.com> wrote:
>>>
>>
>> So what are you doing wrong here??? I have the aux MDF fence attached
>> to my 1000HD and have no problem using the flip stops....
>>
>> Keep in mind that you have to move the flip stops to the front slot.
>> Look here,
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8348072358/in/photostream/lightbox/
>>
>>
> Wow do I feel stupid. I never noticed that. I guess since I put it
> together I never noticed that there were two slot positions.
>
> Thanks for the picture.. DOH!!!!


Ahhhhhh confuse us say pitcher worth a Brazilian words!

On Saturday, January 5, 2013 10:17:04 AM UTC-6, tiredofspam wrote:
> On 1/4/2013 7:26 PM, Leon wrote:
>
> > On 1/4/2013 5:05 PM, tiredofspam wrote:
>
> >> On 1/4/2013 12:14 PM, Leon wrote:
>
> >>> On 1/3/2013 9:48 PM, RonB wrote:
>
> >>>> On Thursday, January 3, 2013 3:18:45 PM UTC-6, RonB wrote:
>
> >>>>> Santa Sweetie got me a new INCRA 1000HD for Christmas. I have been
>
> >>>>> fighting the crud but finally got it installed and calibrated today
>
> >>>>> and I am impressed with the overall miter gage. However, the
>
> >>>>> installation handbook suggests a sub-fence or zero clearance
>
> >>>>> sacrificial fence made of MDF or similar material. I have such a
>
> >>>>> fence on my stock miter gages but was wondering, with the extension
>
> >>>>> bar, do you rally need it for more than controlling tear-out.
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>>> How many INCRA users have made a sub fence?
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>>> Thanks
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>>> RonB
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>> I went ahead a made an MDF fence after I posted the message. I
>
> >>>> thought it would be more difficult to get on and off; but the the
>
> >>>> plate nuts make removal simple and quick. No big deal. I'll probably
>
> >>>> make a couple more to keep in reserve.
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>> I was also very concerned with using the aux fence especially with
>
> >>> changing from one miter slot to the other miter slot. Not really a
>
> >>> problem at all.
>
> >> My problem with the aux is that the stops don't work over them, and I do
>
> >> like their flip stops.
>
> >>
>
> >
>
> > So what are you doing wrong here??? I have the aux MDF fence attached
>
> > to my 1000HD and have no problem using the flip stops....
>
> >
>
> > Keep in mind that you have to move the flip stops to the front slot.
>
> > Look here,
>
> >
>
> > http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8348072358/in/photostream/lightbox/
>
> >
>
> >
>
> Wow do I feel stupid. I never noticed that. I guess since I put it
>
> together I never noticed that there were two slot positions.
>
>
>
> Thanks for the picture.. DOH!!!!

The second slot position is one of those thing you finally discover after using the gauge quite a bit. OR..... you can read the owners manual. :0)

Sorry..... I just had to.

RonB

On 1/4/2013 7:26 PM, Leon wrote:
> On 1/4/2013 5:05 PM, tiredofspam wrote:
>> On 1/4/2013 12:14 PM, Leon wrote:
>>> On 1/3/2013 9:48 PM, RonB wrote:
>>>> On Thursday, January 3, 2013 3:18:45 PM UTC-6, RonB wrote:
>>>>> Santa Sweetie got me a new INCRA 1000HD for Christmas. I have been
>>>>> fighting the crud but finally got it installed and calibrated today
>>>>> and I am impressed with the overall miter gage. However, the
>>>>> installation handbook suggests a sub-fence or zero clearance
>>>>> sacrificial fence made of MDF or similar material. I have such a
>>>>> fence on my stock miter gages but was wondering, with the extension
>>>>> bar, do you rally need it for more than controlling tear-out.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> How many INCRA users have made a sub fence?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> RonB
>>>>
>>>> I went ahead a made an MDF fence after I posted the message. I
>>>> thought it would be more difficult to get on and off; but the the
>>>> plate nuts make removal simple and quick. No big deal. I'll probably
>>>> make a couple more to keep in reserve.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I was also very concerned with using the aux fence especially with
>>> changing from one miter slot to the other miter slot. Not really a
>>> problem at all.
>> My problem with the aux is that the stops don't work over them, and I do
>> like their flip stops.
>>
>
> So what are you doing wrong here??? I have the aux MDF fence attached
> to my 1000HD and have no problem using the flip stops....
>
> Keep in mind that you have to move the flip stops to the front slot.
> Look here,
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8348072358/in/photostream/lightbox/
>
>
Wow do I feel stupid. I never noticed that. I guess since I put it
together I never noticed that there were two slot positions.

Thanks for the picture.. DOH!!!!

On 1/4/2013 12:14 PM, Leon wrote:
> On 1/3/2013 9:48 PM, RonB wrote:
>> On Thursday, January 3, 2013 3:18:45 PM UTC-6, RonB wrote:
>>> Santa Sweetie got me a new INCRA 1000HD for Christmas. I have been
>>> fighting the crud but finally got it installed and calibrated today
>>> and I am impressed with the overall miter gage. However, the
>>> installation handbook suggests a sub-fence or zero clearance
>>> sacrificial fence made of MDF or similar material. I have such a
>>> fence on my stock miter gages but was wondering, with the extension
>>> bar, do you rally need it for more than controlling tear-out.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> How many INCRA users have made a sub fence?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> RonB
>>
>> I went ahead a made an MDF fence after I posted the message. I
>> thought it would be more difficult to get on and off; but the the
>> plate nuts make removal simple and quick. No big deal. I'll probably
>> make a couple more to keep in reserve.
>>
>
>
> I was also very concerned with using the aux fence especially with
> changing from one miter slot to the other miter slot. Not really a
> problem at all.
My problem with the aux is that the stops don't work over them, and I do
like their flip stops.

On 1/3/2013 7:15 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Thu, 3 Jan 2013 13:18:45 -0800 (PST), RonB <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> Santa Sweetie got me a new INCRA 1000HD for Christmas. I have been fighting the crud but finally got it installed and calibrated today and I am impressed with the overall miter gage. However, the installation handbook suggests a sub-fence or zero clearance sacrificial fence made of MDF or similar material. I have such a fence on my stock miter gages but was wondering, with the extension bar, do you rally need it for more than controlling tear-out.
>>
>> How many INCRA users have made a sub fence?
>
> I haven't, but I should have. I've nicked the fence a number of
> times. Aluminum cuts good. :-(
>
Same here, I have cut through mine when I forgot to move it back while
mitering.

I have used a sacrificial fence on it at times. Mostly not since it
interferes with the dual stops.

Only when I need to be absolutely tearout free or too small a piece to
cut and needs to be supported on both sides, so I can use something to
hold one side while cutting, like a pencil w/eraser to hold .

No you don't need it. But the hardware is handy when you do need to make
one.

Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

<snip>
>
> So what are you doing wrong here??? I have the aux MDF fence attached
> to my 1000HD and have no problem using the flip stops....
>
> Keep in mind that you have to move the flip stops to the front slot.
> Look here,
>
>http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8348072358/in/photostream/lightbox
>/

Thanks Leon. Gotta outfit mine like that!

--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

On 1/4/2013 8:42 PM, Han wrote:
> Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
> <snip>
>>
>> So what are you doing wrong here??? I have the aux MDF fence attached
>> to my 1000HD and have no problem using the flip stops....
>>
>> Keep in mind that you have to move the flip stops to the front slot.
>> Look here,
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8348072358/in/photostream/lightbox
>> /
>
> Thanks Leon. Gotta outfit mine like that!
>


Hey Han! Two buds with one rock!

On 1/4/2013 5:05 PM, tiredofspam wrote:
> On 1/4/2013 12:14 PM, Leon wrote:
>> On 1/3/2013 9:48 PM, RonB wrote:
>>> On Thursday, January 3, 2013 3:18:45 PM UTC-6, RonB wrote:
>>>> Santa Sweetie got me a new INCRA 1000HD for Christmas. I have been
>>>> fighting the crud but finally got it installed and calibrated today
>>>> and I am impressed with the overall miter gage. However, the
>>>> installation handbook suggests a sub-fence or zero clearance
>>>> sacrificial fence made of MDF or similar material. I have such a
>>>> fence on my stock miter gages but was wondering, with the extension
>>>> bar, do you rally need it for more than controlling tear-out.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> How many INCRA users have made a sub fence?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> RonB
>>>
>>> I went ahead a made an MDF fence after I posted the message. I
>>> thought it would be more difficult to get on and off; but the the
>>> plate nuts make removal simple and quick. No big deal. I'll probably
>>> make a couple more to keep in reserve.
>>>
>>
>>
>> I was also very concerned with using the aux fence especially with
>> changing from one miter slot to the other miter slot. Not really a
>> problem at all.
> My problem with the aux is that the stops don't work over them, and I do
> like their flip stops.
>

So what are you doing wrong here??? I have the aux MDF fence attached
to my 1000HD and have no problem using the flip stops....

Keep in mind that you have to move the flip stops to the front slot.
Look here,

http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8348072358/in/photostream/lightbox/

On Thursday, January 3, 2013 6:15:43 PM UTC-6, [email protected] wrote:
> On Thu, 3 Jan 2013 13:18:45 -0800 (PST),
>
> times. Aluminum cuts good. :-(

Yes it does. I manufactured two aluminum scales from a 60" scale last year and my miter saw didn't even slow down. I stupidly laid the scale to the saw and then later hefted a 2x4 on the saw for a quick cut. Cut quick!

RonB

On Thursday, January 3, 2013 3:18:45 PM UTC-6, RonB wrote:
> Santa Sweetie got me a new INCRA 1000HD for Christmas. I have been fight=
ing the crud but finally got it installed and calibrated today and I am imp=
ressed with the overall miter gage. However, the installation handbook sug=
gests a sub-fence or zero clearance sacrificial fence made of MDF or simila=
r material. I have such a fence on my stock miter gages but was wondering=
, with the extension bar, do you rally need it for more than controlling te=
ar-out.
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> How many INCRA users have made a sub fence?
>=20
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> Thanks
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> RonB

I went ahead a made an MDF fence after I posted the message. I thought it =
would be more difficult to get on and off; but the the plate nuts make remo=
val simple and quick. No big deal. I'll probably make a couple more to ke=
ep in reserve.

On Thu, 3 Jan 2013 13:18:45 -0800 (PST), RonB <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Santa Sweetie got me a new INCRA 1000HD for Christmas. I have been fighting the crud but finally got it installed and calibrated today and I am impressed with the overall miter gage. However, the installation handbook suggests a sub-fence or zero clearance sacrificial fence made of MDF or similar material. I have such a fence on my stock miter gages but was wondering, with the extension bar, do you rally need it for more than controlling tear-out.
>
>How many INCRA users have made a sub fence?

I haven't, but I should have. I've nicked the fence a number of
times. Aluminum cuts good. :-(

On 1/3/2013 9:48 PM, RonB wrote:
> On Thursday, January 3, 2013 3:18:45 PM UTC-6, RonB wrote:
>> Santa Sweetie got me a new INCRA 1000HD for Christmas. I have been fighting the crud but finally got it installed and calibrated today and I am impressed with the overall miter gage. However, the installation handbook suggests a sub-fence or zero clearance sacrificial fence made of MDF or similar material. I have such a fence on my stock miter gages but was wondering, with the extension bar, do you rally need it for more than controlling tear-out.
>>
>>
>>
>> How many INCRA users have made a sub fence?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>>
>> RonB
>
> I went ahead a made an MDF fence after I posted the message. I thought it would be more difficult to get on and off; but the the plate nuts make removal simple and quick. No big deal. I'll probably make a couple more to keep in reserve.
>


I was also very concerned with using the aux fence especially with
changing from one miter slot to the other miter slot. Not really a
problem at all.

On 1/3/2013 6:15 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Thu, 3 Jan 2013 13:18:45 -0800 (PST), RonB <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> Santa Sweetie got me a new INCRA 1000HD for Christmas. I have been fighting the crud but finally got it installed and calibrated today and I am impressed with the overall miter gage. However, the installation handbook suggests a sub-fence or zero clearance sacrificial fence made of MDF or similar material. I have such a fence on my stock miter gages but was wondering, with the extension bar, do you rally need it for more than controlling tear-out.
>>
>> How many INCRA users have made a sub fence?
>
> I haven't, but I should have. I've nicked the fence a number of
> times. Aluminum cuts good. :-(
>



Believe me, adding that aux fence does not prevent that! DAMHIKT

I religiously use and depend on the stop/scale. I also keep my aluminum
fence relatively close to the blade so that the stop can be easily
calibrated. If you have all this set up with the fence close to the
blade and change the angle setting to say 45 degrees the fence will be
in the pat of the blade. I know this from experience. :~(

IMHO easier to forget this using an aux fence because you no longer care
if you cut through the fence, aux fence that is, you/I more easily
forget about the primary aluminum fence.

That said I would not use the 1000HD with out an aux fence. Way too
many advantages to using with vs. with out. an advantage in particular
is using it to prevent tear out on the back side of a dado cut.


SO keep that in mind!

On 1/15/2013 8:55 PM, RonB wrote:

>> Wow do I feel stupid. I never noticed that. I guess since I put it
>>
>> together I never noticed that there were two slot positions.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks for the picture.. DOH!!!!
>
> The second slot position is one of those thing you finally discover after using the gauge quite a bit. OR..... you can read the owners manual. :0)
>
> Sorry..... I just had to.
>
> RonB
>
You read instructions???

I think I had read them, but really forgot. And quite honestly with the
carriage centered, you don't see the other channel. So while I didn't
originally start out using the subfence, when I needed it, I did not
know that it could be moved to another location. Now that Leon has
enlightened me I do feel stupid, but have mounted it now since it's just
as easy to use. Wish I knew that earlier.

--
Jeff

RonB wrote:
> Santa Sweetie got me a new INCRA 1000HD for Christmas. I have been fighting the crud but finally got it installed and calibrated today and I am impressed with the overall miter gage. However, the installation handbook suggests a sub-fence or zero clearance sacrificial fence made of MDF or similar material. I have such a fence on my stock miter gages but was wondering, with the extension bar, do you rally need it for more than controlling tear-out.
Think of clampling a 1/2" dowel onto your bench, and cutting it 6 inches
off the side of your bench with a hand saw.
Then cut it again 1/4" off the side of the bench. Do you think the cuts
will be the same?

Bill

>
> How many INCRA users have made a sub fence?
>
> Thanks
>
> RonB