"Paul" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Why would someone as famous as James Krenov feel the need to sell his
> cabinets at Pritam and Eames? With the success of the books he has
written
> I can't imaging he would need a gallery to sell his work. I would think
he
> has more commissions than he could handle.
Good question. Today your statement is correct and I'm sure he could sell
whatever he can make. But what about years ago?
Many artists are very talented and skilled in certain areas, but have no
clue how to promote and market themselves or their products. Thus, the
gallery earns their 40% or so by getting you more than you could on your own
and getting your name recognized.
Of course I have no idea of the specifics of this deal, but without P & E,
would Krenov be selling his cabinets at craft shows? Look at the numbers
Rick came up with. They may be correct. Take P & E out of the picture and
what would that same cabinet sell for? I know that if he came to the art
and crafts show that we just had in our town, those cabinets would have
brought in as much as $400 or so. (Krenov? Never heard of him) Take them
to another town (New Hope, PA for one) and maybe $1500. Take them to P & E
and well, you see what they bring.
Ed
"Paul" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> I just found out that the piece shown at
> http://jameskrenov.com/august_work.htm is $11,000 U.S. I guess there
must
> be almost $3700 in material ;-)
This makes the point of choosing a good craftsman or contractor. Maybe he
screwed up the first 10 or 12 and is adding in the material cost for them
also.
Seriously though, the guys that seem to think 3X material is the way to go
are often missing opportunities.
Ed
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http://pages.cthome.net/edhome
Why would someone as famous as James Krenov feel the need to sell his
cabinets at Pritam and Eames? With the success of the books he has written
I can't imaging he would need a gallery to sell his work. I would think he
has more commissions than he could handle.
I did write him a letter about 3 or 4 years ago while he was still working
at College of Redwoods to commission a piece for me and didn't even get a
reply back. Not that I could have afforded $11,000
"Rick Stein" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
>
> Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
>
> > "Paul" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >
> >>I just found out that the piece shown at
> >>http://jameskrenov.com/august_work.htm is $11,000 U.S. I guess there
> >
> > must
> >
> >>be almost $3700 in material ;-)
> >
> >
> > This makes the point of choosing a good craftsman or contractor. Maybe
he
> > screwed up the first 10 or 12 and is adding in the material cost for
them
> > also.
> >
> > Seriously though, the guys that seem to think 3X material is the way to
go
> > are often missing opportunities.
> > Ed
> > [email protected]
> > http://pages.cthome.net/edhome
> >
> The arithmetic is interesting. Assume that the Pritam and Eames gets 40
> to 50% of the selling price. Krenov retains roughly $5500. If he works
> two to three weeks (I don't really have a clue how many hours go into
> one of his pieces but for the sake of discussion, let's assume I'm
> close), then he has roughly 100 hours, give or take, in a cabinet.
> Subtract a few hundred for materials, a few hundred for shop costs, and
> Krenov maybe gets the equivalent of $50 per hour. My plumber gets $50
> per hour. The electrician gets more. Both are good at what they do, but
> hardly artists - and certainly haven't influenced several generations of
> aspiring woodworkers. If $11,000 is really the number, I think it's a
> bargain. My opinion is not based on what I can afford - I can't - only
> commenting on perceived value and relative value. Krenov's work, as an
> expression of his vision of the world, as a reflection of who he is as a
> craftsperson, is valuable. IMO, worth every penny of the $50 per hour -
> and frankly, quite a lot more.
>
> Rick
>
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
>
> "Paul" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > I was checking out James Krenov's website at
> > http://jameskrenov.com/default.htm and was wondering if anyone knows how
> > much his pieces go for.
>
>
> A lot of shops price about 3X material. That would put some of his stuff in
> the $300 to $600 range I'd guess ;)
> Ed
>
I'll take two - they're small ;-)
Godzilla
Rick Stein wrote:
> My opinion is not based on what I can afford - I can't - only
> commenting on perceived value and relative value.
I wonder how much Pablo paid for paint and canvas. ?
--
Mark
N.E. Ohio
Never argue with a fool, a bystander can't tell you apart. (S. Clemens,
A.K.A. Mark Twain)
When in doubt hit the throttle. It may not help but it sure ends the
suspense. (Gaz, r.moto)
Would this be one of those situations where the term, "If you have to ask,
you can't afford it" applies?
Works by any world renowned master generally are. Looking at the link you
included, he sure builds some beautiful items!
DexAZ
"Paul" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> I was checking out James Krenov's website at
> http://jameskrenov.com/default.htm and was wondering if anyone knows how
> much his pieces go for.
>
>
> > I was checking out James Krenov's website at
> > http://jameskrenov.com/default.htm and was wondering if anyone knows
how
> > much his pieces go for.
>
>
> A lot of shops price about 3X material. That would put some of his stuff
in
> the $300 to $600 range I'd guess ;)
> Ed
>
>
I just found out that the piece shown at
http://jameskrenov.com/august_work.htm is $11,000 U.S. I guess there must
be almost $3700 in material ;-)
Make your own Krenov piece. Here is a shelf in the style of Krenov:
http://denali.frontier.iarc.uaf.edu:8080/~cswingle/woodworking/images/wall_h
ung_shelves.pdf
DexAZ
"Paul" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> I was checking out James Krenov's website at
> http://jameskrenov.com/default.htm and was wondering if anyone knows how
> much his pieces go for.
>
>
Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
> "Paul" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
>>I just found out that the piece shown at
>>http://jameskrenov.com/august_work.htm is $11,000 U.S. I guess there
>
> must
>
>>be almost $3700 in material ;-)
>
>
> This makes the point of choosing a good craftsman or contractor. Maybe he
> screwed up the first 10 or 12 and is adding in the material cost for them
> also.
>
> Seriously though, the guys that seem to think 3X material is the way to go
> are often missing opportunities.
> Ed
> [email protected]
> http://pages.cthome.net/edhome
>
The arithmetic is interesting. Assume that the Pritam and Eames gets 40
to 50% of the selling price. Krenov retains roughly $5500. If he works
two to three weeks (I don't really have a clue how many hours go into
one of his pieces but for the sake of discussion, let's assume I'm
close), then he has roughly 100 hours, give or take, in a cabinet.
Subtract a few hundred for materials, a few hundred for shop costs, and
Krenov maybe gets the equivalent of $50 per hour. My plumber gets $50
per hour. The electrician gets more. Both are good at what they do, but
hardly artists - and certainly haven't influenced several generations of
aspiring woodworkers. If $11,000 is really the number, I think it's a
bargain. My opinion is not based on what I can afford - I can't - only
commenting on perceived value and relative value. Krenov's work, as an
expression of his vision of the world, as a reflection of who he is as a
craftsperson, is valuable. IMO, worth every penny of the $50 per hour -
and frankly, quite a lot more.
Rick
On Sun, 9 Nov 2003 08:11:18 -0500, "Paul" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>I just found out that the piece shown at
>http://jameskrenov.com/august_work.htm is $11,000 U.S. I guess there must
>be almost $3700 in material ;-)
Shame he didn't spend another couple of minutes with a $50 block plane
to line the goddam doors up.
That would drive me _crazy._ But, he's Krenov, and I'm not, so what
do I know?
Michael
"Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "Paul" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > I was checking out James Krenov's website at
> > http://jameskrenov.com/default.htm and was wondering if anyone knows
how
> > much his pieces go for.
>
>
> A lot of shops price about 3X material. That would put some of his stuff
in
> the $300 to $600 range I'd guess ;)
> Ed
Pawlowski, have you no shame?
"Paul" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I was checking out James Krenov's website at
> http://jameskrenov.com/default.htm and was wondering if anyone knows how
> much his pieces go for.
A lot of shops price about 3X material. That would put some of his stuff in
the $300 to $600 range I'd guess ;)
Ed