So I've taken on the task of getting a set of 6 Irwin brand chisels in work=
ing order for a friend of mine. These must be the former Marples, as they'=
re pretty much identical. But not totally. I have a 10 year old set of Ma=
rples, and I don't recall the factory grind being quite so poor, especially=
the primary bevel. It's practically toothed. Not so sure about steel qua=
lity. The backs aren't flat really either, but this I recall was the same =
with the Marples. The 1.25" took some fairly serious effort even with fres=
h 120 on a granite surface plate.
Just as an aside, I wouldn't say I'm a big fan of my Marples. They're quit=
e top heavy, and I actually drilled out a bunch of holes in the handle of m=
y 1" to improve balance. And they are also in reality metric, not imperial=
. Which is not the system we use at work. And since I've been acquiring g=
ood quality antique chisels I've noticed that I'm not real impressed with t=
he edge retention. =20
Just my two cents.
JP
On Saturday, March 3, 2012 8:23:16 PM UTC-6, John Grossbohlin wrote:
> "Michael" wrote in message
> news:21180845.1256.1330820724925.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@ynne2...
> > On Saturday, March 3, 2012 8:46:59 AM UTC-6, John Grossbohlin wrote:
>
> >> I bought six sets of those Irwin chisels for my club's shop... I used a
> >> Makita horizontal, water cooled, blade sharpener to do all but the final
> >> polishing of the primary bevel and micro bevel. I followed up with my
> >> Arkansas stones. It took a while to sharpen 36 chisels but it wasn't
> >> terrible. They weren't as nice from the factory as my 25+/- year old
> >> Marples
> >> set but they most weren't as rough as what you described. A few did have
> >> course grinder swirls on the backs that took a while to remove but most
> >> smoothed up quickly. These chisels have proven serviceable and hold an
> >> edge
> >> pretty well for "class" purposes.
> >>
> >> John
> >
> > After the Arkansas stones, would a strop and compound have made them any
> > sharper? Or is that overkill?
>
> No... probably the contrary!
>
> I have a large black Arkansas bench stone on which I do the final polish and
> micro bevel. From a practical standpoint I don't think you can really do any
> better than that stone when it comes to polishing and taking off any
> remaining wire edge. After running through the soft and medium stones it
> only takes a couple swipes on the black stone to finish the job... it's very
> fine but it cuts.
>
> John
Ok, thanks. It sounds like I need to work on my technique.
Mike
John Doe wrote:
> I was very impressed with the results today, sharpening my chisels
> on a belt sander. I have no idea why you are accusing me of
> trolling. In fact, I've seen plenty of credible looking citations
> for sharpening knives and chisels using a belt sander. Yours
> sounds like a personal problem to me.
>
You may well have been able to have achieved an edge that you find
satisfactory, using your belt sander. That said - for you to trod on in and
accuse people with a lot more experience than you - as evidenced by your
posts, is pure folly. But - go ahead and do it your way. Nobody is
apparantly going to tell you any differently.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
Bill wrote:
> On 3/6/2012 8:32 AM, CW wrote:
>
>> ============================================================
>> Belt grinders are standard in the knife making trade due to low heat
>> generated and quick grit change.
>
>
>
> And maybe better suited to putting the very small angled bevel you
> generally want on a knife? Just a guess.
Don't guess on the things you don't understand Bill. The angle on a knife
blade is very close to the angle on a chisel. 25-35 degrees. Next opinion?
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On Saturday, March 3, 2012 8:46:59 AM UTC-6, John Grossbohlin wrote:
> >"JayPique" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:16355818.80.1330779348954.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbas10...
> >So I've taken on the task of getting a set of 6 Irwin brand chisels in
> >working order for a friend of mine. These must be the former Marples, as
> >they're pretty >much identical. But not totally. I have a 10 year old set
> >of Marples, and I don't recall the factory grind being quite so poor,
> >especially the primary bevel. It's >practically toothed. Not so sure
> >about steel quality. The backs aren't flat really either, but this I
> >recall was the same with the Marples. The 1.25" took some >fairly serious
> >effort even with fresh 120 on a granite surface plate.
> >
> >Just as an aside, I wouldn't say I'm a big fan of my Marples. They're
> >quite top heavy, and I actually drilled out a bunch of holes in the handle
> >of my 1" to >improve balance. And they are also in reality metric, not
> >imperial. Which is not the system we use at work. And since I've been
> >acquiring good quality >antique chisels I've noticed that I'm not real
> >impressed with the edge retention.
> >
> >Just my two cents.
> >JP
>
> I bought six sets of those Irwin chisels for my club's shop... I used a
> Makita horizontal, water cooled, blade sharpener to do all but the final
> polishing of the primary bevel and micro bevel. I followed up with my
> Arkansas stones. It took a while to sharpen 36 chisels but it wasn't
> terrible. They weren't as nice from the factory as my 25+/- year old Marples
> set but they most weren't as rough as what you described. A few did have
> course grinder swirls on the backs that took a while to remove but most
> smoothed up quickly. These chisels have proven serviceable and hold an edge
> pretty well for "class" purposes.
>
> John
After the Arkansas stones, would a strop and compound have made them any sharper? Or is that overkill?
Thanks,
Mike
On Mar 6, 4:30=A0pm, "John Grossbohlin"
<[email protected]> wrote:
> >"Father Haskell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
> >On Mar 3, 7:55 am, JayPique <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >So I've taken on the task of getting a set of 6Irwinbrand chisels in
> > >working order for a friend of mine. These must be the former Marples, =
as
> > >they're pretty much identical. But not totally. I have >a 10 year old =
set
> > >of Marples, and I don't recall the factory grind being quite so poor,
> > >especially the primary bevel. It's practically toothed. Not so sure ab=
out
> > >steel quality. The backs aren't flat >really either, but this I recall
> > >was the same with the Marples. The 1.25" took some fairly serious effo=
rt
> > >even with fresh 120 on a granite surface plate.
>
> >> Just as an aside, I wouldn't say I'm a big fan of my Marples. They're
> >> quite top heavy, and I actually drilled out a bunch of holes in the
> >> handle of my 1" to improve balance. And they are also in reality metri=
c,
> >> not imperial. Which is not the system we use at work. And since I've b=
een
> >> acquiring good quality antique chisels I've noticed that I'm not real
> >> impressed with the edge retention.
>
> >> Just my two cents.
> >> JP
> >Raising the honing angle 2 degrees makes a huge difference
> >with how well Marples chisels hold an edge.
>
> In my case I find Marples chisels' edges are very dependent on how attent=
ive
> my kids are... For example, in a matter of a few days I lost perhaps 1/4"=
in
> length off my 1/2" chisel. One day my son accidently jabbed it into the
> steel Record vice and broke a corner off the edge. A few days later he
> dropped it on the concrete floor and broke the other corner off. By the t=
ime
> I ground it back to a straight edge and ground a new bevel on it it lost
> quite a bit of length. ;~)
>
> Nothing to get upset about... stuff happens. I'd rather loose a 1/4" of
> chisel than not have my kids using them...
They're inexpensive. Brittle, though. Cheap Stanleys
make better prybars.
On Sunday, March 4, 2012 9:06:49 PM UTC-5, John Doe wrote:
> Speaking of chisels... Sharpened my collection of two chisels on a
> belt sander today. Used a felt marker to color them first. Easy as
> pie to get the edges perfect using a belt sander.
Oh my, that's a marshmallow and a worm together on that hook.
JP
On 05 Mar 2012 04:47:40 GMT, John Doe <[email protected]> wrote:
>A steaming pile of shit.
So, tell us. What part of mII's family tree are you from?
I bought the marples about 15 years ago, the quality was good, not great.
I did notice the IRWIN's were crap compared to what I got. The machining
looked awful. Lots of work to get those babies in shape, glad I have
older marples. I too have other old stanleys some very old. The quaility
is hard to tell, they have been quite used. Some quite ground up and
short. But all seem to work well. Wish I had good handles for a few,
they are no longer holding into the sockets.
If I had to recommend a set of chisels today, it might be the Narex for
the price. If someone could afford it the LN seem to be nice.
On 3/3/2012 9:46 AM, John Grossbohlin wrote:
>
>> "JayPique" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:16355818.80.1330779348954.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbas10...
>> So I've taken on the task of getting a set of 6 Irwin brand chisels in
>> working order for a friend of mine. These must be the former Marples,
>> as they're pretty >much identical. But not totally. I have a 10 year
>> old set of Marples, and I don't recall the factory grind being quite
>> so poor, especially the primary bevel. It's >practically toothed. Not
>> so sure about steel quality. The backs aren't flat really either, but
>> this I recall was the same with the Marples. The 1.25" took some
>> >fairly serious effort even with fresh 120 on a granite surface plate.
>>
>> Just as an aside, I wouldn't say I'm a big fan of my Marples. They're
>> quite top heavy, and I actually drilled out a bunch of holes in the
>> handle of my 1" to >improve balance. And they are also in reality
>> metric, not imperial. Which is not the system we use at work. And
>> since I've been acquiring good quality >antique chisels I've noticed
>> that I'm not real impressed with the edge retention.
>>
>> Just my two cents.
>> JP
>
> I bought six sets of those Irwin chisels for my club's shop... I used a
> Makita horizontal, water cooled, blade sharpener to do all but the final
> polishing of the primary bevel and micro bevel. I followed up with my
> Arkansas stones. It took a while to sharpen 36 chisels but it wasn't
> terrible. They weren't as nice from the factory as my 25+/- year old
> Marples set but they most weren't as rough as what you described. A few
> did have course grinder swirls on the backs that took a while to remove
> but most smoothed up quickly. These chisels have proven serviceable and
> hold an edge pretty well for "class" purposes.
>
> John
>
>
>
>
>
>"JayPique" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:16355818.80.1330779348954.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbas10...
>So I've taken on the task of getting a set of 6 Irwin brand chisels in
>working order for a friend of mine. These must be the former Marples, as
>they're pretty >much identical. But not totally. I have a 10 year old set
>of Marples, and I don't recall the factory grind being quite so poor,
>especially the primary bevel. It's >practically toothed. Not so sure
>about steel quality. The backs aren't flat really either, but this I
>recall was the same with the Marples. The 1.25" took some >fairly serious
>effort even with fresh 120 on a granite surface plate.
>
>Just as an aside, I wouldn't say I'm a big fan of my Marples. They're
>quite top heavy, and I actually drilled out a bunch of holes in the handle
>of my 1" to >improve balance. And they are also in reality metric, not
>imperial. Which is not the system we use at work. And since I've been
>acquiring good quality >antique chisels I've noticed that I'm not real
>impressed with the edge retention.
>
>Just my two cents.
>JP
I bought six sets of those Irwin chisels for my club's shop... I used a
Makita horizontal, water cooled, blade sharpener to do all but the final
polishing of the primary bevel and micro bevel. I followed up with my
Arkansas stones. It took a while to sharpen 36 chisels but it wasn't
terrible. They weren't as nice from the factory as my 25+/- year old Marples
set but they most weren't as rough as what you described. A few did have
course grinder swirls on the backs that took a while to remove but most
smoothed up quickly. These chisels have proven serviceable and hold an edge
pretty well for "class" purposes.
John
Speaking of chisels... Sharpened my collection of two chisels on a
belt sander today. Used a felt marker to color them first. Easy as
pie to get the edges perfect using a belt sander.
JayPique <[email protected]> wrote:
> So I've taken on the task of getting a set of 6 Irwin brand
> chisels in working order for a friend of mine. These must be
> the former Marples, as they're pretty much identical. But not
> totally. I have a 10 year old set of Marples, and I don't
> recall the factory grind being quite so poor, especially the
> primary bevel. It's practically toothed. Not so sure about
> steel quality. The backs aren't flat really either, but this I
> recall was the same with the Marples. The 1.25" took some
> fairly serious effort even with fresh 120 on a granite surface
> plate.
>
> Just as an aside, I wouldn't say I'm a big fan of my Marples.
> They're quite top heavy, and I actually drilled out a bunch of
> holes in the handle of my 1" to improve balance. And they are
> also in reality metric, not imperial. Which is not the system
> we use at work. And since I've been acquiring good quality
> antique chisels I've noticed that I'm not real impressed with
> the edge retention.
>
> Just my two cents.
> JP
>
I have no idea why you're suggesting that my post is a troll or
that using a belt sander to sharpen a chisel is a bad practice.
I have a good eye for detail and I do plenty of precision work,
sometimes dwelling on it. I couldn't build my stuff otherwise. If
you are a chisel using guru, you should easily explain why using a
belt sander is a bad thing. I'm not a woodworking guru, but I can
probably counter with enough Internet citations. So go for it.
tiredofspam <nospam.nospam.com> wrote:
> Yea, I think if we are smart we stay away from that one.
> If he's happy who are we to tell him otherwise.
>
> On 3/4/2012 9:34 PM, JayPique wrote:
>> On Sunday, March 4, 2012 9:06:49 PM UTC-5, John Doe wrote:
>>> Speaking of chisels... Sharpened my collection of two chisels on a
>>> belt sander today. Used a felt marker to color them first. Easy as
>>> pie to get the edges perfect using a belt sander.
>>
>> Oh my, that's a marshmallow and a worm together on that hook.
>> JP
>
I was very impressed with the results today, sharpening my chisels
on a belt sander. I have no idea why you are accusing me of
trolling. In fact, I've seen plenty of credible looking citations
for sharpening knives and chisels using a belt sander. Yours
sounds like a personal problem to me.
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> On Sunday, March 4, 2012 9:06:49 PM UTC-5, John Doe wrote:
>> Speaking of chisels... Sharpened my collection of two chisels on a
>> belt sander today. Used a felt marker to color them first. Easy as
>> pie to get the edges perfect using a belt sander.
>
> Oh my, that's a marshmallow and a worm together on that hook.
> JP
>
A steaming pile of shit.
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> John Doe wrote:
>> I was very impressed with the results today, sharpening my chisels
>> on a belt sander. I have no idea why you are accusing me of
>> trolling. In fact, I've seen plenty of credible looking citations
>> for sharpening knives and chisels using a belt sander. Yours
>> sounds like a personal problem to me.
>>
>
> You may well have been able to have achieved an edge that you find
> satisfactory, using your belt sander. That said - for you to trod on in and
> accuse people with a lot more experience than you - as evidenced by your
> posts, is pure folly. But - go ahead and do it your way. Nobody is
> apparantly going to tell you any differently.
>
> --
>
> -Mike-
> mmarlowREMOVE windstream.net
>
>
>
>
John Doe <[email protected]> wrote in news:4f543326$0$20337$c3e8da3
[email protected]:
> I have no idea why you're suggesting that my post is a troll or
> that using a belt sander to sharpen a chisel is a bad practice.
> I have a good eye for detail and I do plenty of precision work,
> sometimes dwelling on it. I couldn't build my stuff otherwise. If
> you are a chisel using guru, you should easily explain why using a
> belt sander is a bad thing. I'm not a woodworking guru, but I can
> probably counter with enough Internet citations. So go for it.
>
I too was curious as to the reason, and to boil a 3-page Sawmill Creek
Google search result down, it's heat and rounding the edges. Belt
sanders can create heat quite quickly that might cause the chisel to lose
the temper. Also, the flexible nature of the belt makes it easy to round
over the edges.
As a final note, some people like a hollow grind on their chisels, so
honing is easier. An ideal belt sander will give a flat surface instead.
Puckdropper
--
Make it to fit, don't make it fit.
On 03/06/2012 04:40 PM, Bill wrote:
> Mike Marlow wrote:
>> Bill wrote:
>>> On 3/6/2012 8:32 AM, CW wrote:
>>>
>>>> ============================================================
>>>> Belt grinders are standard in the knife making trade due to low heat
>>>> generated and quick grit change.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> And maybe better suited to putting the very small angled bevel you
>>> generally want on a knife? Just a guess.
>>
>> Don't guess on the things you don't understand Bill. The angle on a knife
>> blade is very close to the angle on a chisel. 25-35 degrees. Next
>> opinion?
>
> Now that depends on the knife, does it not? Next?
>
http://www.sharpeningsupplies.com/selecting-bevel-angle.aspx
--
"Socialism is a philosophy of failure,the creed of ignorance, and the
gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery"
-Winston Churchill
John Doe wrote:
> I have no idea why you're suggesting that my post is a troll or
> that using a belt sander to sharpen a chisel is a bad practice.
> I have a good eye for detail and I do plenty of precision work,
> sometimes dwelling on it. I couldn't build my stuff otherwise. If
> you are a chisel using guru, you should easily explain why using a
> belt sander is a bad thing. I'm not a woodworking guru, but I can
> probably counter with enough Internet citations. So go for it.
>
That is because like most things in wood working - it is all opinion
based on what the individual likes best.
Christoforo wrote that belt sanders are a great way sharpen items. He
pointed out that because of the long surface area (probably in
conjunction with the thin media) it dissipates heat faster than a stone.
He also pointed out that the plate may be removed for convex surfaces.
--
Michael Joel
For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes,
His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen,
being understood through what has been made,
so that they are without excuse. For even though they knew God,
they did not honor Him as God, or give thanks; but they became
futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Romans 1:20-21 (NASB)
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replace dashes with correct symbols
Dave wrote:
> On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 09:09:29 -0500, Michael Joel <[email protected]>
> SNIP
Sorry you have so much trouble with my signature. I don't care for a few
other's signatures but that is my problem.
May we get back on topic about the sharpening?
--
Michael Joel
For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes,
His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen,
being understood through what has been made,
so that they are without excuse. For even though they knew God,
they did not honor Him as God, or give thanks; but they became
futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Romans 1:20-21 (NASB)
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On 3/4/2012 9:29 PM, John Doe wrote:
> I have no idea why you're suggesting that my post is a troll or
> that using a belt sander to sharpen a chisel is a bad practice.
> I have a good eye for detail and I do plenty of precision work,
> sometimes dwelling on it. I couldn't build my stuff otherwise. If
> you are a chisel using guru, you should easily explain why using a
> belt sander is a bad thing. I'm not a woodworking guru, but I can
> probably counter with enough Internet citations. So go for it.
>
>
> tiredofspam<nospam.nospam.com> wrote:
>
>> Yea, I think if we are smart we stay away from that one.
>> If he's happy who are we to tell him otherwise.
>>
>> On 3/4/2012 9:34 PM, JayPique wrote:
>>> On Sunday, March 4, 2012 9:06:49 PM UTC-5, John Doe wrote:
>>>> Speaking of chisels... Sharpened my collection of two chisels on a
>>>> belt sander today. Used a felt marker to color them first. Easy as
>>>> pie to get the edges perfect using a belt sander.
>>>
>>> Oh my, that's a marshmallow and a worm together on that hook.
>>> JP
>>
>
Typically a factory sharpened chisel is belt sanded. Using sand paper
to sharpen with is a great way to accomplish a great edge and quickly.
But typically sanding belts do not go a fine enough grit to accomplish a
desired sharpness, smoothness/mirror finish that most seasoned
woodworkers try to achieve. It is a common practice to resharpen even
high quality new chisels to get that mirror finish before ever using them.
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
says...
>
> On 3/6/2012 8:32 AM, CW wrote:
>
> > ============================================================
> > Belt grinders are standard in the knife making trade due to low heat
> > generated and quick grit change.
>
>
>
> And maybe better suited to putting the very small angled bevel you
> generally want on a knife? Just a guess.
They aren't just used for sharpening, they're used for shaping as well.
Many turners also use belt sanders for sharpening their turning tools.
Yea, I think if we are smart we stay away from that one.
If he's happy who are we to tell him otherwise.
On 3/4/2012 9:34 PM, JayPique wrote:
> On Sunday, March 4, 2012 9:06:49 PM UTC-5, John Doe wrote:
>> Speaking of chisels... Sharpened my collection of two chisels on a
>> belt sander today. Used a felt marker to color them first. Easy as
>> pie to get the edges perfect using a belt sander.
>
> Oh my, that's a marshmallow and a worm together on that hook.
> JP
Bill wrote:
> Mike Marlow wrote:
>> Bill wrote:
>>> On 3/6/2012 8:32 AM, CW wrote:
>>>
>>>> ============================================================
>>>> Belt grinders are standard in the knife making trade due to low
>>>> heat generated and quick grit change.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> And maybe better suited to putting the very small angled bevel you
>>> generally want on a knife? Just a guess.
>>
>> Don't guess on the things you don't understand Bill. The angle on a
>> knife blade is very close to the angle on a chisel. 25-35 degrees. Next
>> opinion?
>
> Now that depends on the knife, does it not? Next?
Care to elaborate? Next?
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
Scott Lurndal wrote:
> "Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> writes:
>> John Doe wrote:
>>> I was very impressed with the results today, sharpening my chisels
>>> on a belt sander.
> [elided]
>> You may well have been able to have achieved an edge that you find
>> satisfactory, using your belt sander.
>
> [elided]
>>
>
> Mike, look at the nom de plume. Definitely a troll, and you bit.
>
Yeah - I've seen plenty of people use that though. Seems more common from
people who use forums than from usenet though.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 09:09:29 -0500, Michael Joel <[email protected]>
>--
>Michael Joel
>
>For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes,
>His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen,
>being understood through what has been made,
>so that they are without excuse. For even though they knew God,
>they did not honor Him as God, or give thanks; but they became
>futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
> Romans 1:20-21 (NASB)
EXACTLY why you're a pariah to many people. EVERY message you place
attempts to inject your version of God into the conversation, no
matter what the topic. No one asked for it.
It may come as a shock to you, but many people object to this shock
treatment injection of God into their everyday life. I certainly do.
Maybe I'm just a rabid God hater, who knows? But, I certainly suspect
I'm not alone in rejecting people like you trying to inject your
religion into one of my regular activities. In fact, I reject it so
much that instead of ignoring it or filtering it, I have to actively
fight it most times I see it.
When you post your diatribe, it's an automatic criticism of people who
don't follow that doctrine.
GOT IT?
On Mar 3, 7:55=A0am, JayPique <[email protected]> wrote:
> So I've taken on the task of getting a set of 6Irwinbrand chisels in work=
ing order for a friend of mine. =A0These must be the former Marples, as the=
y're pretty much identical. =A0But not totally. =A0I have a 10 year old set=
of Marples, and I don't recall the factory grind being quite so poor, espe=
cially the primary bevel. =A0It's practically toothed. =A0Not so sure about=
steel quality. =A0The backs aren't flat really either, but this I recall w=
as the same with the Marples. =A0The 1.25" took some fairly serious effort =
even with fresh 120 on a granite surface plate.
>
> Just as an aside, I wouldn't say I'm a big fan of my Marples. =A0They're =
quite top heavy, and I actually drilled out a bunch of holes in the handle =
of my 1" to improve balance. =A0And they are also in reality metric, not im=
perial. =A0Which is not the system we use at work. =A0And since I've been a=
cquiring good quality antique chisels I've noticed that I'm not real impres=
sed with the edge retention.
>
> Just my two cents.
> JP
Raising the honing angle 2 degrees makes a huge difference
with how well Marples chisels hold an edge.
>"Father Haskell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>On Mar 3, 7:55 am, JayPique <[email protected]> wrote:
> >So I've taken on the task of getting a set of 6Irwinbrand chisels in
> >working order for a friend of mine. These must be the former Marples, as
> >they're pretty much identical. But not totally. I have >a 10 year old set
> >of Marples, and I don't recall the factory grind being quite so poor,
> >especially the primary bevel. It's practically toothed. Not so sure about
> >steel quality. The backs aren't flat >really either, but this I recall
> >was the same with the Marples. The 1.25" took some fairly serious effort
> >even with fresh 120 on a granite surface plate.
>>
>> Just as an aside, I wouldn't say I'm a big fan of my Marples. They're
>> quite top heavy, and I actually drilled out a bunch of holes in the
>> handle of my 1" to improve balance. And they are also in reality metric,
>> not imperial. Which is not the system we use at work. And since I've been
>> acquiring good quality antique chisels I've noticed that I'm not real
>> impressed with the edge retention.
>>
>> Just my two cents.
>> JP
>Raising the honing angle 2 degrees makes a huge difference
>with how well Marples chisels hold an edge.
In my case I find Marples chisels' edges are very dependent on how attentive
my kids are... For example, in a matter of a few days I lost perhaps 1/4" in
length off my 1/2" chisel. One day my son accidently jabbed it into the
steel Record vice and broke a corner off the edge. A few days later he
dropped it on the concrete floor and broke the other corner off. By the time
I ground it back to a straight edge and ground a new bevel on it it lost
quite a bit of length. ;~)
Nothing to get upset about... stuff happens. I'd rather loose a 1/4" of
chisel than not have my kids using them...
John
"Michael" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Saturday, March 3, 2012 8:46:59 AM UTC-6, John Grossbohlin wrote:
>> I bought six sets of those Irwin chisels for my club's shop... I used a
>> Makita horizontal, water cooled, blade sharpener to do all but the final
>> polishing of the primary bevel and micro bevel. I followed up with my
>> Arkansas stones. It took a while to sharpen 36 chisels but it wasn't
>> terrible. They weren't as nice from the factory as my 25+/- year old
>> Marples
>> set but they most weren't as rough as what you described. A few did have
>> course grinder swirls on the backs that took a while to remove but most
>> smoothed up quickly. These chisels have proven serviceable and hold an
>> edge
>> pretty well for "class" purposes.
>>
>> John
>
> After the Arkansas stones, would a strop and compound have made them any
> sharper? Or is that overkill?
No... probably the contrary!
I have a large black Arkansas bench stone on which I do the final polish and
micro bevel. From a practical standpoint I don't think you can really do any
better than that stone when it comes to polishing and taking off any
remaining wire edge. After running through the soft and medium stones it
only takes a couple swipes on the black stone to finish the job... it's very
fine but it cuts.
John
John Doe wrote:
> I have no idea why you're suggesting that my post is a troll or
> that using a belt sander to sharpen a chisel is a bad practice.
> I have a good eye for detail and I do plenty of precision work,
> sometimes dwelling on it. I couldn't build my stuff otherwise. If
> you are a chisel using guru, you should easily explain why using a
> belt sander is a bad thing.
It's probably good enough for the chisels you are using. Just go with it.
I'm not a woodworking guru, but I can
> probably counter with enough Internet citations. So go for it.
>
>
> tiredofspam<nospam.nospam.com> wrote:
>
>> Yea, I think if we are smart we stay away from that one.
>> If he's happy who are we to tell him otherwise.
>>
>> On 3/4/2012 9:34 PM, JayPique wrote:
>>> On Sunday, March 4, 2012 9:06:49 PM UTC-5, John Doe wrote:
>>>> Speaking of chisels... Sharpened my collection of two chisels on a
>>>> belt sander today. Used a felt marker to color them first. Easy as
>>>> pie to get the edges perfect using a belt sander.
>>>
>>> Oh my, that's a marshmallow and a worm together on that hook.
>>> JP
>>
>
On 3/5/2012 9:24 AM, Dave wrote:
> On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 09:09:29 -0500, Michael Joel<[email protected]>
>> --
>> Michael Joel
>>
>> For since the creation of the world
> It may come as a shock to you, but many people object to this shock
> treatment injection of God into their everyday life. I certainly do.
> Maybe I'm just a rabid God hater, who knows? But, I certainly suspect
> I'm not alone in rejecting people like you trying to inject your
> religion into one of my regular activities.
Yes! Dave, You are Not Alone--and well-expressed too!!!
It surprised me his posts got as much attention as they did...
In fact, I reject it so
> much that instead of ignoring it or filtering it, I have to actively
> fight it most times I see it.
>
> When you post your diatribe, it's an automatic criticism of people who
> don't follow that doctrine.
>
> GOT IT?
On 3/5/2012 1:29 AM, Puckdropper wrote:
> John Doe<[email protected]> wrote in news:4f543326$0$20337$c3e8da3
> [email protected]:
>
>> I have no idea why you're suggesting that my post is a troll or
>> that using a belt sander to sharpen a chisel is a bad practice.
>> I have a good eye for detail and I do plenty of precision work,
>> sometimes dwelling on it. I couldn't build my stuff otherwise. If
>> you are a chisel using guru, you should easily explain why using a
>> belt sander is a bad thing. I'm not a woodworking guru, but I can
>> probably counter with enough Internet citations. So go for it.
>>
>
> I too was curious as to the reason, and to boil a 3-page Sawmill Creek
> Google search result down, it's heat and rounding the edges. Belt
> sanders can create heat quite quickly that might cause the chisel to lose
> the temper. Also, the flexible nature of the belt makes it easy to round
> over the edges.
>
> As a final note, some people like a hollow grind on their chisels, so
> honing is easier. An ideal belt sander will give a flat surface instead.
>
> Puckdropper
Bull!!!! I have plenty of tools and plenty of years and plenty of
experience. I can give you a better hollow grind on the hard wheel of a
belt sander than you can get from most anything else. I will put my
chisels and edges up against anything you have, let's start installing
locksets in hardwood jambs and doors.
--
___________________________________
Keep the whole world singing . . .
Dan G
remove the seven
On 3/6/2012 8:32 AM, CW wrote:
> ============================================================
> Belt grinders are standard in the knife making trade due to low heat
> generated and quick grit change.
And maybe better suited to putting the very small angled bevel you
generally want on a knife? Just a guess.
Mike Marlow wrote:
> Bill wrote:
>> On 3/6/2012 8:32 AM, CW wrote:
>>
>>> ============================================================
>>> Belt grinders are standard in the knife making trade due to low heat
>>> generated and quick grit change.
>>
>>
>>
>> And maybe better suited to putting the very small angled bevel you
>> generally want on a knife? Just a guess.
>
> Don't guess on the things you don't understand Bill. The angle on a knife
> blade is very close to the angle on a chisel. 25-35 degrees. Next opinion?
Now that depends on the knife, does it not? Next?
Michael Joel wrote:
> Christoforo
That would be DeChristofor of course.
--
Michael Joel
For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes,
His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen,
being understood through what has been made,
so that they are without excuse. For even though they knew God,
they did not honor Him as God, or give thanks; but they became
futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Romans 1:20-21 (NASB)
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"Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> writes:
>John Doe wrote:
>> I was very impressed with the results today, sharpening my chisels
>> on a belt sander.
[elided]
>You may well have been able to have achieved an edge that you find
>satisfactory, using your belt sander.
[elided]
>
Mike, look at the nom de plume. Definitely a troll, and you bit.
Given the top-posting and the attitude, it is probably josepi/miII.
s
"DanG" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
On 3/5/2012 1:29 AM, Puckdropper wrote:
> John Doe<[email protected]> wrote in news:4f543326$0$20337$c3e8da3
> [email protected]:
>
>> I have no idea why you're suggesting that my post is a troll or
>> that using a belt sander to sharpen a chisel is a bad practice.
>> I have a good eye for detail and I do plenty of precision work,
>> sometimes dwelling on it. I couldn't build my stuff otherwise. If
>> you are a chisel using guru, you should easily explain why using a
>> belt sander is a bad thing. I'm not a woodworking guru, but I can
>> probably counter with enough Internet citations. So go for it.
>>
>
> I too was curious as to the reason, and to boil a 3-page Sawmill Creek
> Google search result down, it's heat and rounding the edges. Belt
> sanders can create heat quite quickly that might cause the chisel to lose
> the temper. Also, the flexible nature of the belt makes it easy to round
> over the edges.
>
> As a final note, some people like a hollow grind on their chisels, so
> honing is easier. An ideal belt sander will give a flat surface instead.
>
> Puckdropper
Bull!!!! I have plenty of tools and plenty of years and plenty of
experience. I can give you a better hollow grind on the hard wheel of a
belt sander than you can get from most anything else. I will put my
chisels and edges up against anything you have, let's start installing
locksets in hardwood jambs and doors.
============================================================
Belt grinders are standard in the knife making trade due to low heat
generated and quick grit change.