Gj

GrayFox

05/11/2003 4:28 PM

Attaching Veneer

I need to attach some veneer to a plywood substrate. The veneer pieces
I have are not wide enough to cover the substrate, so they must be
joined on edge. I have run them thru the jointer and have a good tight
joint.

The question is what to use as the adhesive. I am worried that contact
cement adheres so quickly that I won't be able to butt the 2 pieces
together for a tight joint. Yellow glue is an option, but do I need to
worry about glue bleedthru to the surface? My veneer is between 1/16
and 3/32" thick.


This topic has 9 replies

gG

[email protected] (George Eversole Jr.)

in reply to GrayFox on 05/11/2003 4:28 PM

05/11/2003 9:30 PM

I recently had the same dilemma. Finally decided on plastic resin glue
(DAP brand) for the long open time, creep resistance, and flexibility
after cured. The first batch is in the clamps right now , hopefully it
will turn out fine.
-ghe

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"A Dog Named Stain"

in reply to GrayFox on 05/11/2003 4:28 PM

05/11/2003 4:40 PM


"GrayFox" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I need to attach some veneer to a plywood substrate. The veneer
pieces
> I have are not wide enough to cover the substrate, so they must be
> joined on edge. I have run them thru the jointer and have a good
tight
> joint.
>
> The question is what to use as the adhesive. I am worried that
contact
> cement adheres so quickly that I won't be able to butt the 2 pieces
> together for a tight joint. Yellow glue is an option, but do I need
to
> worry about glue bleedthru to the surface? My veneer is between 1/16
> and 3/32" thick.

Tape the two pieces together and then apply it. My personal favorite is
Franklin hide glue . No need to worry about what kind of finish you'll
put on, never get bubbles or creep.

MH

"Mark Hopkins"

in reply to GrayFox on 05/11/2003 4:28 PM

05/11/2003 11:37 AM

Veneer Tape
http://www.rockler.com/ecom7/product_details.cfm?sku=1075

"GrayFox" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I need to attach some veneer to a plywood substrate. The veneer pieces
> I have are not wide enough to cover the substrate, so they must be
> joined on edge. I have run them thru the jointer and have a good tight
> joint.
>
> The question is what to use as the adhesive. I am worried that contact
> cement adheres so quickly that I won't be able to butt the 2 pieces
> together for a tight joint. Yellow glue is an option, but do I need to
> worry about glue bleedthru to the surface? My veneer is between 1/16
> and 3/32" thick.

FM

"Frank McVey"

in reply to GrayFox on 05/11/2003 4:28 PM

05/11/2003 7:15 PM

Hide glue. Gives you the option of reactivating the glue or completely
re-doing it if you screw up. Depending on the thicknes of your ply, you may
have to put a balancing veneer on the undersurface to avoid cupping.

Cheers

Frank.


"GrayFox" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I need to attach some veneer to a plywood substrate. The veneer pieces
> I have are not wide enough to cover the substrate, so they must be
> joined on edge. I have run them thru the jointer and have a good tight
> joint.
>
> The question is what to use as the adhesive. I am worried that contact
> cement adheres so quickly that I won't be able to butt the 2 pieces
> together for a tight joint. Yellow glue is an option, but do I need to
> worry about glue bleedthru to the surface? My veneer is between 1/16
> and 3/32" thick.

db

"ddi"

in reply to GrayFox on 05/11/2003 4:28 PM

05/11/2003 7:37 PM

Use veneer tape to hold the veneer together. The tape goes on
the outside and you sand it off.

DO NOT USE WATER BASED CONTACT CEMENT W/ PLYWOOD.

It will raise the plywood grain , and destroy the look of the veneer.
I learned my lesson once.


"GrayFox" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I need to attach some veneer to a plywood substrate. The veneer pieces
> I have are not wide enough to cover the substrate, so they must be
> joined on edge. I have run them thru the jointer and have a good tight
> joint.
>
> The question is what to use as the adhesive. I am worried that contact
> cement adheres so quickly that I won't be able to butt the 2 pieces
> together for a tight joint. Yellow glue is an option, but do I need to
> worry about glue bleedthru to the surface? My veneer is between 1/16
> and 3/32" thick.

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Andy Dingley

in reply to GrayFox on 05/11/2003 4:28 PM

05/11/2003 7:08 PM

On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 16:28:23 GMT, GrayFox <[email protected]> wrote:

>The question is what to use as the adhesive.

Traditional hide glue, used hot in an electrically heated pot (old
stockpots can be used). It smells, but it's still good stuff for
veneering.

Failing that, liquid hide glue in a tube isn't bad either. Doesn't
have the increased grab on cooling that hot glue does, but it saves
messing around with a pot.

Read "Tage Frid Teaches Woodwork" for a good introduction to
traditional veneering.
<http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1561580686/codesmiths-20>

You'll want to find or make a veneer hammer, and use a card scraper
for finishing afterwards. If you're using tape for alignment
purposes, make sure it's proper veneer tape you take off afterwards by
soaking. Masking tape can really damage veneer if it choses to stick
to a loose fibre.

--
Die Gotterspammerung - Junkmail of the Gods

Gj

GrayFox

in reply to GrayFox on 05/11/2003 4:28 PM

06/11/2003 3:53 PM

In article <[email protected]>, "ddi" <[email protected]>
wrote:

> Use veneer tape to hold the veneer together. The tape goes on
> the outside and you sand it off.
>
> DO NOT USE WATER BASED CONTACT CEMENT W/ PLYWOOD.
>
> It will raise the plywood grain , and destroy the look of the veneer.
> I learned my lesson once.
>
>
> "GrayFox" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > I need to attach some veneer to a plywood substrate. The veneer pieces
> > I have are not wide enough to cover the substrate, so they must be
> > joined on edge. I have run them thru the jointer and have a good tight
> > joint.
> >
> > The question is what to use as the adhesive. I am worried that contact
> > cement adheres so quickly that I won't be able to butt the 2 pieces
> > together for a tight joint. Yellow glue is an option, but do I need to
> > worry about glue bleedthru to the surface? My veneer is between 1/16
> > and 3/32" thick.
>
>

I've never heard of veneer tape. What is it? Where does one obtain
some?

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"A Dog Named Stain"

in reply to GrayFox on 05/11/2003 4:28 PM

06/11/2003 4:02 PM

> I've never heard of veneer tape. What is it? Where does one obtain
> some?

It's a water activated tape available in both perforated and solid. You
wet it, apply it and as it dries it shrinks a bit pulling the pieces
together.
http://www.constantines.com/product.asp?0=357&1=358&3=3762

When your veneer is applied and dried, you sand or scrape it off.

SI

"Slowhand"

in reply to GrayFox on 05/11/2003 4:28 PM

06/11/2003 10:28 AM


"George Eversole Jr." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I recently had the same dilemma. Finally decided on plastic resin glue
> (DAP brand) for the long open time, creep resistance, and flexibility
> after cured. The first batch is in the clamps right now , hopefully it
> will turn out fine.

Yeah, what he said. I've used contact cement, yellow glue, and hide glue.
I happen to like the plastic resin glue the best. From the fwiw dept.
SH
> -ghe


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