> I have some white latex primer, and was just wondering if I can add a bit of
> latex brown primer (finish coat color) to give it a darker tint for the
> primer. That way I will only need one finish coat.
>
> btw: Can I use latex primer on top of either oil or latex surface? finish
> coat is latex.
You can add in your primer. But if the two primers are from different
manufacturers then you are playing alchemy and you could ruin the performance
and holdout of your primer.
Latex, unlike oil base paints, is formulated diffferently from one
manufacturer to the next. It is a complicated finish system, and each line of
latex has its own finish recipe to make that paint work.
The way to color/tint latex prime is with the appropriate tints, usually made
by Huls, Creanova or DeGussa. These are the paste colorants which the paint
store measures and dispenses into the cans of paint (prior to them shaking or
mixin the cans). The colorants are added into the paint in meausements of
1/48 ounce increments.
Call the manufacturer and ask them what "type" of colorant you can add into
your primer, and how many ounces per gallon will be the maximum amount of
color you can add. If you add too much clorant than yu can ruin the strength
of the primer (which is as PhilCrow correctly stated in this thread meant to
be mostly binder, the coloring coming from your topcoat).
Primers which are tinted (have color added to them) are typically tinted to
only a percenatge of the final color.
Always follow the manufacturer's recommendations with latex paints. They are
printed out on technical sheets. If you have doubts or questions, call the
manufacturer's tech support and ask them. Never rely soley on the word of the
person behind a counter, especially if that paint outlet does not carry the
brand paint you are talking about.
There are guidelines with latex, and these can be generic. But each paint may
have brand-specific limitations because, as I said, the complex finish
chemistry which goes into formulating latexes vary from one recipe to the
next. And that same needed respect is needed with any waterbase or waterborne
material.
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Thu, Jul 24, 2003, 9:31am [email protected] (lbbs) wants to know
something:
I have some white latex primer, and was just wondering if I can add a
bit of latex brown primer (finish coat color) to give it a darker tint
for the primer. =A0 That way I will only need one finish coat.
btw: Can I use latex primer on top of either oil or latex surface? =A0
finish
coat is latex.
Which is it? The subject says paint to primer, but the text says
primer to primer.
If you look at the label on the can, it should tell you what you
can put the primer on. If not, there should be a 1-800 number you can
call.
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In article <[email protected]>,
peter burke <[email protected]> wrote:
>How many people paint their walls with flat oil?
/raises hand at least if 'eggshell' counts as flat.
Fuller O'Brien Liquid Velvet Alkyd Enamel, to be specific.
25+ year durability in a house with growing children, and pets..
>
>"P&L" <P&[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 00:13:30 -0400, "peter burke"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >All he asked was" could he add brown to the white,"both latex.He wasn't
>> >asking about adding oil to latex,blah,blah,blah He can certainly darken
>the
>> >paint if he wants.As far as getting away with one finish coat .Why
>> >bother?you,ve got the wall ready.The second coat will add longevity to
>the
>> >job I see so many guys waste so much time trying to cover a wall in one
>> >coat,they could have easily done two quick coats
>> >As far as latex primer over oil,unless you go with a special primer(talk
>to
>> >your local paint store),I would not recommend it. Test an area
>,different
>> >manufactures paint have different adhesion levels.Maybe the primer will
>> >work.As far as paint stores recommending latex primer over oil(Jim
>> >Clark)send in their names to their respective suppliers. Neither
>> >Sherwin-williams ,ben
>> >moore,ici pittsburgh,pratt lambert recommend it.,
>>
>> Not true, according to the PPG and P&L dealer. If the substrate is
>> solid and does not have a gloss, latex primers will work just fine.
>> The only thing you would have to worry about is tannin acid bleed with
>> a latex primer going over an intact surface.
>>
>>
>> >Hope this helps
>> > Peter Burke
>> >"FOW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> >news:[email protected]...
>> >> NO ! The paint store should add the tint to the primer.
>> >> Never add latex paint to oil paint or the other way around.
>> >> Use oil primer over oil paint or latex.
>> >> Oil based primers bite into the suface but latex primers just lay on
>the
>> >> top.
>> >> "lbbs" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> >> news:[email protected]...
>> >> > I have some white latex primer, and was just wondering if I can add a
>> >bit
>> >> of
>> >> > latex brown primer (finish coat color) to give it a darker tint for
>the
>> >> > primer. That way I will only need one finish coat.
>> >> >
>> >> > btw: Can I use latex primer on top of either oil or latex surface?
>> >> finish
>> >> > coat is latex.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>>
>
>
On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 09:31:26 -0400, "lbbs" <[email protected]> wrote:
>I have some white latex primer, and was just wondering if I can add a bit of
>latex brown primer (finish coat color) to give it a darker tint for the
>primer. That way I will only need one finish coat.
>
>btw: Can I use latex primer on top of either oil or latex surface? finish
>coat is latex.
>
Most quality primers will say on the can if they can be tinted and how
much. Usually a lot less than the top coat ( 50% or less ) . If it
dosen't then ask your local paint dealer not the guy at the hardware
store.
In message <[email protected]>
[email protected] (Phil Crow) wrote:
>> I have some white latex primer, and was just wondering if I can add
>> a bit of latex brown primer (finish coat color) to give it a darker
>> tint for the primer. That way I will only need one finish coat.
>The thing is, the whole point of primer is that it *doesn't* have a
>lot of color. You put the primer on, which has lots of binder in
>relation to color, so that the finish coat will stick. Paint has a
>lot of, uh, color dust suspended in a solvent along with a binder.
>The solvent evaporates, letting the binder hold the paint onto the
>surface. Paint over wood or other paint or metal or whatever doesn't
>stick so well, so you apply a coat of primer over the substrate so the
>paint will stick. You go adding color to that, you lose the effect of
>the primer.
>
>That's my two cents.
>
>-Phil Crow
Yep, If you want to alter the colour then you should do it with the
undercoat. You can add any colour percentage to an undercoat without
losing it's characteristics.
Steve.
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How many people paint their walls with flat oil?
"P&L" <P&[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 00:13:30 -0400, "peter burke"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >All he asked was" could he add brown to the white,"both latex.He wasn't
> >asking about adding oil to latex,blah,blah,blah He can certainly darken
the
> >paint if he wants.As far as getting away with one finish coat .Why
> >bother?you,ve got the wall ready.The second coat will add longevity to
the
> >job I see so many guys waste so much time trying to cover a wall in one
> >coat,they could have easily done two quick coats
> >As far as latex primer over oil,unless you go with a special primer(talk
to
> >your local paint store),I would not recommend it. Test an area
,different
> >manufactures paint have different adhesion levels.Maybe the primer will
> >work.As far as paint stores recommending latex primer over oil(Jim
> >Clark)send in their names to their respective suppliers. Neither
> >Sherwin-williams ,ben
> >moore,ici pittsburgh,pratt lambert recommend it.,
>
> Not true, according to the PPG and P&L dealer. If the substrate is
> solid and does not have a gloss, latex primers will work just fine.
> The only thing you would have to worry about is tannin acid bleed with
> a latex primer going over an intact surface.
>
>
> >Hope this helps
> > Peter Burke
> >"FOW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
> >> NO ! The paint store should add the tint to the primer.
> >> Never add latex paint to oil paint or the other way around.
> >> Use oil primer over oil paint or latex.
> >> Oil based primers bite into the suface but latex primers just lay on
the
> >> top.
> >> "lbbs" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >> news:[email protected]...
> >> > I have some white latex primer, and was just wondering if I can add a
> >bit
> >> of
> >> > latex brown primer (finish coat color) to give it a darker tint for
the
> >> > primer. That way I will only need one finish coat.
> >> >
> >> > btw: Can I use latex primer on top of either oil or latex surface?
> >> finish
> >> > coat is latex.
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
>
"lbbs" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> I have some white latex primer, and was just wondering if I can add a
> bit of latex brown primer (finish coat color) to give it a darker tint
> for the primer. That way I will only need one finish coat.
>
> btw: Can I use latex primer on top of either oil or latex surface?
> finish coat is latex.
>
>
>
You can have the paint store tint the primer for you. I am not sure about
adding paint to the primer to tint it. You could call them and ask.
Chris
NO ! The paint store should add the tint to the primer.
Never add latex paint to oil paint or the other way around.
Use oil primer over oil paint or latex.
Oil based primers bite into the suface but latex primers just lay on the
top.
"lbbs" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I have some white latex primer, and was just wondering if I can add a bit
of
> latex brown primer (finish coat color) to give it a darker tint for the
> primer. That way I will only need one finish coat.
>
> btw: Can I use latex primer on top of either oil or latex surface?
finish
> coat is latex.
>
>
"lbbs" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> I have some white latex primer, and was just wondering if I can add a bit of
> latex brown primer (finish coat color) to give it a darker tint for the
> primer. That way I will only need one finish coat.
>
> btw: Can I use latex primer on top of either oil or latex surface? finish
> coat is latex.
The thing is, the whole point of primer is that it *doesn't* have a
lot of color. You put the primer on, which has lots of binder in
relation to color, so that the finish coat will stick. Paint has a
lot of, uh, color dust suspended in a solvent along with a binder.
The solvent evaporates, letting the binder hold the paint onto the
surface. Paint over wood or other paint or metal or whatever doesn't
stick so well, so you apply a coat of primer over the substrate so the
paint will stick. You go adding color to that, you lose the effect of
the primer.
That's my two cents.
-Phil Crow
All he asked was" could he add brown to the white,"both latex.He wasn't
asking about adding oil to latex,blah,blah,blah He can certainly darken the
paint if he wants.As far as getting away with one finish coat .Why
bother?you,ve got the wall ready.The second coat will add longevity to the
job I see so many guys waste so much time trying to cover a wall in one
coat,they could have easily done two quick coats
As far as latex primer over oil,unless you go with a special primer(talk to
your local paint store),I would not recommend it. Test an area ,different
manufactures paint have different adhesion levels.Maybe the primer will
work.As far as paint stores recommending latex primer over oil(Jim
Clark)send in their names to their respective suppliers. Neither
Sherwin-williams ,ben
moore,ici pittsburgh,pratt lambert recommend it.,
Hope this helps
Peter Burke
"FOW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> NO ! The paint store should add the tint to the primer.
> Never add latex paint to oil paint or the other way around.
> Use oil primer over oil paint or latex.
> Oil based primers bite into the suface but latex primers just lay on the
> top.
> "lbbs" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > I have some white latex primer, and was just wondering if I can add a
bit
> of
> > latex brown primer (finish coat color) to give it a darker tint for the
> > primer. That way I will only need one finish coat.
> >
> > btw: Can I use latex primer on top of either oil or latex surface?
> finish
> > coat is latex.
> >
> >
>
>
On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 00:13:30 -0400, "peter burke"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>All he asked was" could he add brown to the white,"both latex.He wasn't
>asking about adding oil to latex,blah,blah,blah He can certainly darken the
>paint if he wants.As far as getting away with one finish coat .Why
>bother?you,ve got the wall ready.The second coat will add longevity to the
>job I see so many guys waste so much time trying to cover a wall in one
>coat,they could have easily done two quick coats
>As far as latex primer over oil,unless you go with a special primer(talk to
>your local paint store),I would not recommend it. Test an area ,different
>manufactures paint have different adhesion levels.Maybe the primer will
>work.As far as paint stores recommending latex primer over oil(Jim
>Clark)send in their names to their respective suppliers. Neither
>Sherwin-williams ,ben
>moore,ici pittsburgh,pratt lambert recommend it.,
Not true, according to the PPG and P&L dealer. If the substrate is
solid and does not have a gloss, latex primers will work just fine.
The only thing you would have to worry about is tannin acid bleed with
a latex primer going over an intact surface.
>Hope this helps
> Peter Burke
>"FOW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> NO ! The paint store should add the tint to the primer.
>> Never add latex paint to oil paint or the other way around.
>> Use oil primer over oil paint or latex.
>> Oil based primers bite into the suface but latex primers just lay on the
>> top.
>> "lbbs" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>> > I have some white latex primer, and was just wondering if I can add a
>bit
>> of
>> > latex brown primer (finish coat color) to give it a darker tint for the
>> > primer. That way I will only need one finish coat.
>> >
>> > btw: Can I use latex primer on top of either oil or latex surface?
>> finish
>> > coat is latex.
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>