Dear Newsgroup Folk,
I would like to know what my options are in making the kind of carvings
on wood panneling like you see on antique medicine cabinets, book
shelves, etc. I first thought I needed a lathe, but found out that
lathes turn pieces around, and are good for making things like the legs
of chairs. I just want a machine that I can bring down to a piece of
wood and do my design work. What machines allow me to make the types of
carvings seen in the follwing images?
http://i3.ebayimg.com/02/i/06/0a/fe/94_1_sbol.JPG
http://80.237.209.26/ebay/userdaten/i/Ingzeh/Medizinschrank/5.jpg
Thank you,
Raffo
Aspiring woodworker
In article <[email protected]>,
Raffo <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi Sonny. I'm 23 years old, and yes, until recently I wasn't sure what
> a lathe was. No, I don't want instant results, but at the same time I
> don't want to use a mallet and a chisel. I want to guide a machine by
> hand to make the cuts and shapes I want.
Wrong approach.
Learn the art first, then decide how to automate it. If all you want
are carvings from your designs without personal effort, then you should
hire someone to produce them.
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Wed, Feb 8, 2006, 3:40am (EST-3) [email protected] (Raffo) doth
sayeth:
Hi Sonny. I'm 23 years old, and yes, until recently I wasn't sure what a
lathe was. No, I don't want instant results, but at the same time I
don't want to use a mallet and a chisel. I want to guide a machine by
hand to make the cuts and shapes I want.
I know what I want, and I want it right now, eh? Well, yeah, a
machine could do that. But, how much you willing to spend? From what I
know about such it would be 'spensive. So, unless you've got loads of
money to burn, or would be making a heap of those things, I'd say pass.
Or, you could buy one of what you want to make, use it as a
pattern, with a router, and some sort of pantograph, and make one. This
would take some money too, and if you made copies and sold them, that'd
be copyright infringement - I wouldn't advise that.
You "could" use a sabre saw to cut out the outline, then paint the
patterns on. Or, carve the patterns. Then peopl'd say, "You're
kidding, you didn't do that.".
I'd cut it out, then carve - which is what I'll eventually do on a
bed for myself, once I get the design finalized.
JOAT
Don't believe everything you think.
> The machine that you're asking for is a CNC milling machine. It is not
> necessarily what you want.
It's also not necessarrily what you can afford. Home made ones asside,
the smallest CNC tools I've seen still start at around 5K. Reasonable
if you need to make lots and lots of something, but generally out of
the price range of the home shop/
Raffo, allow me to appologize. My initial reply was rude. More
appropriate, as Dave has said, learn the art of woodworking, learn to
enjoy woodworking, first, before you jump head-first into a bunch of
tools. As you acquire each tool, learn all aspects of your tool well,
and each will reward you. Woodworking will be a life long experience
with many, many rewards.
Hey guys, after reading the posts above I now see that it is a router
that I need. I'm very excited, and have been reading up on all the
types of routers: D-handle / regular handle, plunge base / fixed base,
table router / home-made table router. And I have been reading up on
all the different types of router bits and their functions. Thanks a
lot guys for pointing me in this direction.
There is a lower cost option for CNC:
www.lhrtech.com
This small company is producing a machine that can do some amazing
things. It's still expensive, but that cost is far lower than what
automated machining used to be. It uses very sophisticated graphical
CAD software to design objects. The design file is loaded onto a
memory card and taken to the shop where the machine does the dirty
work and turns out a beautiful piece of work.
It's a very much different approach to working with wood than the
traditional methods (which I enjoy greatly!) but it has its place too.
There are things a CNC type machine can do well that would take half a
lifetime of practice to do by manual methods. If as much value is
placed on the end result as the path getting there, the means may be
valid.
Cliff
On 8 Feb 2006 11:10:52 -0800, "Devon Miller"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>> The machine that you're asking for is a CNC milling machine. It is not
>> necessarily what you want.
>
>It's also not necessarrily what you can afford. Home made ones asside,
>the smallest CNC tools I've seen still start at around 5K. Reasonable
>if you need to make lots and lots of something, but generally out of
>the price range of the home shop/
The corner blocks with the circles can be done
with a special bit, similar to a forstner bit and
a drill press. The bits are called rosette cutters
The "carving" can be done using a router with
templates and a "V: shaped router bit. Summerfeld's
Tools for Wood has something they call their
"3D Router Carver System" Go to their web site
www.sommerfeldtools.com and check out the
"RCS-Bit - their special router bit templates
(the template catalog numbers are RCS-302 through
RCS-806. With a router and just their special
bit, you can make your own templates.
hope this helps you along.
charlie b
Australopithecus scobis wrote:
> Given the existence of "chainsaw carving," I imagine that somewhere there
> is someone using a rosette cutter on a hand-held drill to carve wood. I'm
> not endorsing the idea, mind you, just extrapolating. (shudder)
>
> --
> "Keep your ass behind you"
> wreck20051219 at spambob.net
Oh the possibilities
Person stationary - holding drill stationary - bit spinning - wood
flying!
Wood held stationary - bit spinning - drill spinning - person
spinning - OR - wrist winding - ouch
Wood held stationary - bit spinning - drill spinning - person
running for their life!
I keep a 1/2 forstner bit - with the 15 degree angle in the shank
- hanging on the front of my drill press. Only want to have
that 'learning experience' ONCE.
charlie b
Raffo wrote:
> One more question - Can anybody here recommend a good book on routing
> and routing techniques and bits? I'd prefer an illustrated type of book.
>
Here are two good ones:
<URL:http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0762102276/ref=wl_it_dp/002-9015166-6668854?%5Fencoding=UTF8&colid=2FLGGCEK6MFW7&coliid=I3NZJ2H0Q6Q2IT&v=glance&n=283155>
<URL:http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0762101857/ref=wl_it_dp/002-9015166-6668854?%5Fencoding=UTF8&colid=2FLGGCEK6MFW7&coliid=I3SSEFNCCDBXM1&v=glance&n=283155>
JES
Machines? Um.... ok...
http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.aspx?c=3&cat=1,130&p=43701
http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.aspx?c=3&p=30003&cat=1,41504
http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.aspx?c=3&cat=1,130&p=46099
Sorta like machines, only better.
Michael Latcha, at home in Redford MI
"Raffo" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Dear Newsgroup Folk,
>
> I would like to know what my options are in making the kind of carvings
> on wood panneling like you see on antique medicine cabinets, book
> shelves, etc. I first thought I needed a lathe, but found out that
> lathes turn pieces around, and are good for making things like the legs
> of chairs. I just want a machine that I can bring down to a piece of
> wood and do my design work. What machines allow me to make the types of
> carvings seen in the follwing images?
>
> http://i3.ebayimg.com/02/i/06/0a/fe/94_1_sbol.JPG
>
> http://80.237.209.26/ebay/userdaten/i/Ingzeh/Medizinschrank/5.jpg
>
>
> Thank you,
>
> Raffo
> Aspiring woodworker
>
Wed, Feb 8, 2006, 11:17am (EST+5) [email protected] (Michael=A0Latcha)
doth posteth:
Machines? Um.... ok...<snip>
Yahl, but these little thingies CAN be made on a lathe.
http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.aspx?c=3D3&p=3D30003&cat=3D1,41504 I
muchly prefer to make my own. Different sizes, different woods, give
different weights. Fun to make too.
JOAT
Don't believe everything you think.
In article <[email protected]>, "Raffo" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Dear Newsgroup Folk,
>
>I would like to know what my options are in making the kind of carvings
>on wood panneling like you see on antique medicine cabinets, book
>shelves, etc. I first thought I needed a lathe, but found out that
>lathes turn pieces around, and are good for making things like the legs
>of chairs. I just want a machine that I can bring down to a piece of
>wood and do my design work. What machines allow me to make the types of
>carvings seen in the follwing images?
>
>http://i3.ebayimg.com/02/i/06/0a/fe/94_1_sbol.JPG
For that, the tool you want is called a rosette cutter. It MUST be used in a
drill press, NEVER in a hand-held portable drill.
>
>http://80.237.209.26/ebay/userdaten/i/Ingzeh/Medizinschrank/5.jpg
>
Mallet and carving knives. That was done mostly, if not entirely, by hand.
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"Raffo" <[email protected]> writes:
> Dear Newsgroup Folk,
>
> I would like to know what my options are in making the kind of carvings
> on wood panneling like you see on antique medicine cabinets, book
> shelves, etc. I first thought I needed a lathe, but found out that
> lathes turn pieces around, and are good for making things like the legs
> of chairs. I just want a machine that I can bring down to a piece of
> wood and do my design work. What machines allow me to make the types of
> carvings seen in the follwing images?
>
> http://i3.ebayimg.com/02/i/06/0a/fe/94_1_sbol.JPG
The round circles at the corner can be made with a cutter in a drill press.
Sometimes you can buy squares of wood with these already done.
The grooves on the side were made with a router.
The top and bottom edge are moldings, and you can either buy them
pre-shaped, or you can use a router to make your own.
The grooves in the top and bottom are called dentil molding.
Thse can be made with a table saw, or a router.
> http://80.237.209.26/ebay/userdaten/i/Ingzeh/Medizinschrank/5.jpg
Wood carving tools. Perhaps a router, or a molding plane for the
horizontal part. This mostly looks like it was done with few power tools.
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"Raffo" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Dear Newsgroup Folk,
>
> I would like to know what my options are in making the kind of carvings
> on wood panneling like you see on antique medicine cabinets, book
> shelves, etc. I first thought I needed a lathe, but found out that
> lathes turn pieces around, and are good for making things like the legs
> of chairs. I just want a machine that I can bring down to a piece of
> wood and do my design work. What machines allow me to make the types of
> carvings seen in the follwing images?
>
> http://i3.ebayimg.com/02/i/06/0a/fe/94_1_sbol.JPG
>
> http://80.237.209.26/ebay/userdaten/i/Ingzeh/Medizinschrank/5.jpg
Raffo, the second link shows clearly machine-generated "carving". There are
shapes that a rotary cutter (i.e. machine driven) can't reach that a chisel
can. To the educated eye, there is world of difference.
The machine that you're asking for is a CNC milling machine. It is not
necessarily what you want. The digital design process does not take into
account that wood has direction and grain and very real structural
properties that require that you take this into account. To put it another
way, you can't expect to mill wood in the same way that you would a
homogenous material like corian . You have to be concerned about the
orientation of the material.
High tech tools will will releive you of the requirement of manual skill,
but will not help you produce artistically pleasing forms. Just like Adobe
illustrator in the hand of a technically proficient artistically challenged
user will generally produce crap. Classical forms have been influenced by
both the materials and the traditional tooling. Without at least a basic
understanding of both you will have a tough time reproducing those forms
with a high-tech tool.
Conspicuously absent from your question, is any knowledge of how wood
components could/should be fastened to one another. Material orientation is
essential or the piece will simply fall apart (no joke).
I think you should back up and give us the 30,000 ft view of what you would
like to accomplish.
Cheers,
Steve
On Wed, 08 Feb 2006 14:56:42 -0600, with neither quill nor qualm, Dave
Balderstone <dave***@balderstone.ca> quickly quoth:
>In article <[email protected]>,
>Raffo <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Hi Sonny. I'm 23 years old, and yes, until recently I wasn't sure what
>> a lathe was. No, I don't want instant results, but at the same time I
>> don't want to use a mallet and a chisel. I want to guide a machine by
>> hand to make the cuts and shapes I want.
>
>Wrong approach.
Wrong approach for US, maybe, but perhaps not for him.
>Learn the art first, then decide how to automate it. If all you want
>are carvings from your designs without personal effort, then you should
>hire someone to produce them.
Judging by his link I think he's after a dead mechanical look rather
than a custom, handmade item. While this may gag us with a spoon, he
apparently likes it.
Raffo, the first link (headboard) could be done with a router
duplicator but you'd have to make one first to use as a pattern.
The second (mirror) could be done with a rosette cutter on a drill
press, a table saw, a router and some bits, some glue, and a (IMHO,
lousy) stain job.
G'luck!
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On Wed, 08 Feb 2006 12:59:32 +0000, Doug Miller opined:
> For that, the tool you want is called a rosette cutter. It MUST be used in a
> drill press, NEVER in a hand-held portable drill.
Given the existence of "chainsaw carving," I imagine that somewhere there
is someone using a rosette cutter on a hand-held drill to carve wood. I'm
not endorsing the idea, mind you, just extrapolating. (shudder)
--
"Keep your ass behind you"
wreck20051219 at spambob.net
On Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:16:06 -0800, charlie b opined:
> I keep a 1/2 forstner bit - with the 15 degree angle in the shank
> - hanging on the front of my drill press. Only want to have
> that 'learning experience' ONCE.
Yes, indeed. I keep a piece of piston rod in my toolbox. It was jammed in
the radiator. Remember Alien? Like that.
--
"Keep your ass behind you"
wreck20051219 at spambob.net
Looks to me like you can do it all with:
1) drill press with a rosette cutter (and some sort of saw to get the square
blocks with the rosettes in them for the corners)
2) router with a router table
Take a look at a site like www.highlandhardware.com and/or
www.woodworker.com to find the rosette cutter...that'll be the hardest thing
to find. You should be able to get everything else locally.
"Raffo" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Dear Newsgroup Folk,
>
> I would like to know what my options are in making the kind of carvings
> on wood panneling like you see on antique medicine cabinets, book
> shelves, etc. I first thought I needed a lathe, but found out that
> lathes turn pieces around, and are good for making things like the legs
> of chairs. I just want a machine that I can bring down to a piece of
> wood and do my design work. What machines allow me to make the types of
> carvings seen in the follwing images?
>
> http://i3.ebayimg.com/02/i/06/0a/fe/94_1_sbol.JPG
>
> http://80.237.209.26/ebay/userdaten/i/Ingzeh/Medizinschrank/5.jpg
>
>
> Thank you,
>
> Raffo
> Aspiring woodworker
>