Anyone out there w/ a 20" planer?

"Tim Carver" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 13:14:57 GMT, Unisaw A100 <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >This ain't no Mommy's Boy Chiwanese (built by little
> >children and political prisoners) 20" planer.
>
> The Grizzly planer isn't made in China, it's made in Taiwan. I know
> you like American made stuff, great, so do I, but you are kidding
> yourself if you think Taiwanese stuff is made by children and
> political prisoners. Taiwanese stuff is good, and it's good because
> their people basically work their asses off. They are among the best
> and most efficient capitalists on Earth.
>
>
>
>
> Tim Carver
> [email protected]

While I'll agree that the current crop of Taiwanese machinery is better than
the Chinese crap it may only be because they have been at it a little
longer. I can remember working for a machinery dealer who sold one of the
first Taiwanese made 6x48 belt sanders that were imported under the Wilton
Machinery brand name. It was for the most part a knock-off of the Delta
machine. Upon delivery to the customer it was discovered that no amount of
adjustment would make the sanding belt track properly. The problem? The
"engineers" in Taiwan had neglected to copy the crown of the belt pulleys on
the Delta. The belt would always try to ride off one side or the other on
the perfectly straight sided wheels. Once the pulley situation was corrected
the machine was put into service and the casting holding the work table
broke in short order. The customer had had enough and returned the machine
for replacement with a Rockwell, who manufactured what we would now call
Delta at that time. But that's a whole 'nother story.

On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 10:17:38 GMT, Unisaw A100 <[email protected]>
wrote:

>I'll concede you this one but what will it look like after
>the 'Murican shipper is done with it?

This is a really interesting question, because Grizzly uses major
truck lines just like everybody else, at least in Portland. I've seen
enough reports to believe people are having lots of shipping problems.
I suppose that it must just be the case that the Delta and Jet
distributors are just dealing with the breakage themselves and the
customer never sees it. Or perhaps they're ordering by the truckload
and there's something different about the way the stuff gets handled
when the whole truck is heavy machinery going to one place?

In my case, I have always made the drive to Bellingham with my trusty
utility trailer whenever I wanted to buy something major from Grizzly.


Tim Carver
[email protected]

Tim Carver wrote:

> A new planer today is a much more affordable proposition than
> it was in 1960. It doesn't seem unreasonable to me that this greater
> affordability for the masses has come along with some quality
> reduction.

The quality may actually be higher, due to better materials and
manufacturing processes.

Analogy: Automobiles. There were "service stations" everywhere in the
1960's because autos *needed* regular service. My 1995 Firebird has 138,000
miles on it and nothing major has ever gone wrong. There's only 18,000
miles on just the 3rd set of tires.

-- Mark

On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 13:14:57 GMT, Unisaw A100 <[email protected]>
wrote:

>"If" I had a grand (plus) and "if" I was in Florida (Lake
>Wales) I'd be all over this.
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2590640936
>
--snip--

> In the grand scheme of
>things wooddorking and vintage, getting a machine like this
>for the same price it sold for back in the 50's/60's is
>enough to allow you drop your shorts down around your ankles
>and wag yourself at passers by.

You do have a way with words, now doncha?
<ROTFLMAO>

Renata

>
--snip--
>
>UA100

smart, not dumb for email

I have the Jet 20" planer and have had no problems with it..

The only issue I would have, and it's a small one, is that you must keep
the bed waxed to prevent binding.. If you don't keep the bed waxed the feed
rollers need to be cranked down too far resulting in "roller tracks" in you
finished surface..

All in all a very nice addition to my shop

Joe in Indiana



"Rob V" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Im in the market for a new 20" planer.
> Right now Im looking at the Jet JWP-208 - 3HP 20" . I can get it for
about
> 1350.00 w/ shipping
> Looking at some comparisons - the grizzly G1033 is about 1450.00 w/
> shipping.
> The Powermatic 208 is 1600.00 w/shipping - but as far as I can tell - its
> the same as the jet but a different color.
>
>
> Im also looking at the 5HP shopfox which is about 1,745.00 w/ shipping.
But
> thats a bit on the highside of what I want to spend.
>
> Just curious if anyone has any of the above and can give me some + or - on
> them.
>
> Thanks
> Rob
>
> You can reply to me at
> r_b_v at v_e_r_z_e_r_a doht c_o_m
>
> remove _ to get the correct address
>
>

Rob,
I have the Grizzley 20" G1033. When I first got it, I found it difficult to work
with as far as the feed jamming the wood going through it. I called Grizzly tech
support, who sent me a fax on a fine tuning of the machine. After I recalibrated
it, it works beautifully. I am running quartersawn white oak, cherry and maple
through it, and it's working fine right now. I have planed to as thin as 1/4"
with it. I have not had any snipe problems. It's a pleasure to work with, nice
and heavy, and the tech support has been very good. I recommend it highly.
Matt

Rob V wrote:

> Im in the market for a new 20" planer.
> Right now Im looking at the Jet JWP-208 - 3HP 20" . I can get it for about
> 1350.00 w/ shipping
> Looking at some comparisons - the grizzly G1033 is about 1450.00 w/
> shipping.
> The Powermatic 208 is 1600.00 w/shipping - but as far as I can tell - its
> the same as the jet but a different color.
>
> Im also looking at the 5HP shopfox which is about 1,745.00 w/ shipping. But
> thats a bit on the highside of what I want to spend.
>
> Just curious if anyone has any of the above and can give me some + or - on
> them.
>
> Thanks
> Rob
>
> You can reply to me at
> r_b_v at v_e_r_z_e_r_a doht c_o_m
>
> remove _ to get the correct address

Tim Carver wrote:
>We're in agreement that hobbyist woodworking has grown a ton, and
>that Norm has had an impact, and I'll grant that equipment started
>getting more affordable at about the time Norm came on the scene.
>I'm not sure, however, whether the growth of the hobby (and Norm's
>popularity) caused the availability of affordable machinery, or
>whether the hobby has grown because the machinery became affordable,
>with Norm's popularity coming as a result of the growth of the hobby.
>Perhaps a bit of both. Regardless, the machinery has relentessly
>gotten cheaper (in inflation-adjusted terms) during that period.


Actually there's a good and a bad associated with BN and AN.
BN the only biscuit joiner you could buy was the Elu (Norm's
favorite but there's a story why/I'll tell it with a little
prodding) and the Lamello. Now hands down either of these
machines were top of the heap and not just onna 'count of
they "were the heap" (they were). AN there became available
other makers of biscuit joiners. In comparison there is no
comparison as the Elu and the Lamello were/are/always will
be a much better machine (insert favorite comparison here)
than (insert newer, less expensive biscuit joiner here).
The difference being that the Lamello did cost you/still
costs you around $600ish and the others (cheaper) cost you
$200ish. Is the Lamello worth $400 more? Just try and pry
one from an owner's fingers and find out. Is the cheaper
biscuit joiner a fair substitute? Well, umm, I, well you
see, OK, I've got one, OK, there I said it!!! But I'd
switch in a heart beat if I could.

So what I'm saying is, with Norm there came a higher demand
for machines and with demand comes quantity and with
quantity comes competition and the ekonomiks of scale and
all. Doesn't mean though that the public is getting the
"best deal" but at least they get a deal. There have been
instances where by AN some machines and tools have become
less expensive and the hobbyist has benefited. I used to
pay attention to the price of new Unisaws and once upon a
time I could cite the facts but I don't think the price of
the Unisaw has increased in at least 20ish years. By
increase I mean, back around 20 years ago the Unisaw sold
for within a hunnert or two of what it sells for today.
Then on the other hand I also think Delta has it as a loss
leader (has kept the price down artificially low and made up
for it with other cheaper/crappier machines) so maybe this
is a skewed example.

>Well, I suppose I am. I was just saying that IMO it's not
>a bad thing that a hobbyist can now buy a new 20" stationary
>planer for a tiny fraction of his/her salary when that tool would have
>cost a major chunk of a years salary a few decades ago. When that
>Parks planer sold for $1000, $8000 per year was a really good yearly
>salary. A new planer today is a much more affordable proposition than
>it was in 1960. It doesn't seem unreasonable to me that this greater
>affordability for the masses has come along with some quality
>reduction.

OK, I'll agree.

>>All you have to do is start looking.
>Well, I'd have to either build another building or get rid of
>something big. Then I could start looking :-)

sigh...

UA100

Mark Jerde wrote:
>The quality may actually be higher, due to better materials and
>manufacturing processes.


And versatile too. The blow molded motor cover from a 2004
Unisaw can be used as a sled for the kids "and" a down spout
spillway.


>Analogy: Automobiles. There were "service stations" everywhere in the
>1960's because autos *needed* regular service. My 1995 Firebird has 138,000
>miles on it and nothing major has ever gone wrong. There's only 18,000
>miles on just the 3rd set of tires.


Ya mean, it's not up on blocks in front of a double wide
yet?

Wow!

UA100, who wouldn't trade his seasoned castings for anything
annealed and I don't care how many degrees in metallurgy you
have...

On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 18:45:49 -0500, Tom Watson <[email protected]>
brought forth from the murky depths:

>On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 23:09:09 GMT, Unisaw A100 <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>See now you're getting into voodoo and mumbo-jumbo. I keep
>>ekinomiks up their with religion and politics when it comes
>>to having a civil discussion.
>
>I ain't perzactly shur but this might be in the aria of political
>scientology.

Political scientology sings to you, does it, Tawm?


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"Unisaw A100" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Rob V wrote:
> >Id love to get this - the problem is the shipping would kill me!
>
>
> Then again, this time of the year, an "out 'n back" to
> Flow-reeda...
>
> sigh...
>
> UA100

"Rob V"

> Im also looking at the 5HP shopfox which is about 1,745.00 w/ shipping.
But
> thats a bit on the highside of what I want to spend.


Tried toolseeker.com?

Seems http://tool-corral.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/page84.html has this
unit for $1299 - though maybe they gouge you on shipping...

Still wondering what I can't do with a 13" planer and a 22-44 drum
sander...



- Nate

I don`t have experience with the machines you mention.
But i use from time to time a 12" 4HP planer from Robland. Planing
12" boards can use that power. I`d guess a 20" planer would need
something like 6 to 7 HP to be able to work in a comfortable (take
more of in one run than sanding it ;-) ) way.



Wouter

"Rob V" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Im in the market for a new 20" planer.
> Right now Im looking at the Jet JWP-208 - 3HP 20" . I can get it for about
> 1350.00 w/ shipping
> Looking at some comparisons - the grizzly G1033 is about 1450.00 w/
> shipping.
> The Powermatic 208 is 1600.00 w/shipping - but as far as I can tell - its
> the same as the jet but a different color.
>
>
> Im also looking at the 5HP shopfox which is about 1,745.00 w/ shipping. But
> thats a bit on the highside of what I want to spend.
>
> Just curious if anyone has any of the above and can give me some + or - on
> them.
>
> Thanks
> Rob
>
> You can reply to me at
> r_b_v at v_e_r_z_e_r_a doht c_o_m
>
> remove _ to get the correct address

On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 10:24:21 GMT, Unisaw A100 <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Tim Carver wrote:
>>I know you like American made stuff, great,
>
>
>
>By the way Tim, I've never been on the "Buy 'Murican" band
>wagon. I actually hate these flag wavers. The bandwagon I
>have been on is the "buy the older and better built
>machinery". It just so happens and is a matter of fact that
>most of what is available in the "older and better built"
>class of machines just happens to be 'Murican.
>
>I would not have a problem buying something foreign. It
>wouldn't even need to be older, just better built. Oh, and
>at less than (way less than) retail hence the old. I guess
>you could say I'm a re-cycler.

It sounds as if you're saying that you're looking first
for good value for your money, which is hard to argue with. Clearly,
a lot of older American stuff is a great value today. However, I
believe that most of the reason that for the higher
quality of the older American stuff is that after adjusting for
inflation, the equipment was much more expensive when new than
what's available today. Contrary to what a lot of people think, the
prices of heavy woodworking machinery have been trending downward for
many years, especially after inflation but in many cases even in
absolute dollars. Take your Parks planer for example - you say it
sold originally for $1000 in 1960. That's probably $10,000 or so
today! So is it fair to say it's "better built" than what's available
today? Yes in an absolute sense, but certainly not in the sense of
price/performance when the machines were new. Many of these
machines were simply not even an option for the home shop back in the
days when they were made, due to their original cost.

This trend works in your favor as a collector of old iron, because the
market tends to value used machines as some fraction of the cost of a
new replacement, even if the new replacement isn't as well made.

I've always taken the route of being new stuff, but I try to be
extremely careful of what I buy and how much I pay for it. The planer
the OP asked about (Grizzly G1033) about is a good example. It weighs
750 lbs, and even though I'm in no sense an expert, I think it's a
great machine. That thing is a workhorse, and IIRC, I paid $1100 for
it on sale. That would be equivalent to $100 or so back in 1960.

As you've probably guessed, I've never bought an old woodworking
machine - but I'm willing to do it, if the value proposition looks
right to me. I'd love to have an old, high quality RAS, but
ufortunately, my shop is too full of iron already!

Tim Carver
[email protected]

"If" I had a grand (plus) and "if" I was in Florida (Lake
Wales) I'd be all over this.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2590640936

The feed speed can be varied between 20, 40 and 80 FPM. Has
a four knife cutter head. Will take a 3/8" cut in one pass.
It weighs in at about 1500 lbs.

This ain't no Mommy's Boy Chiwanese (built by little
children and political prisoners) 20" planer.

This planer originally sold for about $1000 (w/o motor) in
1960. I'll let you play with the inflation calculator to
determine it's worth (new) today. In the grand scheme of
things wooddorking and vintage, getting a machine like this
for the same price it sold for back in the 50's/60's is
enough to allow you drop your shorts down around your ankles
and wag yourself at passers by.

The seller (Jim Barber/Barber’s Machinery) is someone known
to some of the members of the Old WoodWorking
Machines (OWWM) forum and to the best of my recollection
he's trustable.

Just say (tmPL), "If" I had a grand (plus) and "if" I was in
Florida (Lake Wales) I'd be all over this.

sigh...

UA100

Rob V wrote:
>Id love to get this - the problem is the shipping would kill me!


Then again, this time of the year, an "out 'n back" to
Flow-reeda...

sigh...

UA100

Tim Carver wrote:
>???


I thought that one might kick up your curiosity. :-)

Back in the day, before posting Off Topic was considered
acceptable here on the wreck there was a poster by the name
of (name deleted onna 'count of it's not mine to give out).
He and I hit it off pretty good mostly because the
information he posted, much of it on biscuit joiners, was
always good. One day we were corresponding on something and
one thing let to another when he told me about a contract he
had with Colonial Saw. Colonial was (still is?) the
importer for Lamello. Anyways (I know, not a word) one day
he tells me that back in the beginning they (Colonial) get a
call from New Yankee Workshop and they (NYW) basically
requested that Colonial send them a free Lamello and in
exchange for the free Lamello NYW would use it on the show.
Colonial balked and the next thing you know old Jed's a
millionaire, err, make that, Norm was using a Elu.

Anyway, a wee bit of wooddorking trivia you won't find on
the other discussion groups. You heard it here first though
and it's something to tell your grand kids.

UA100

Id love to get this - the problem is the shipping would kill me!


"Unisaw A100" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "If" I had a grand (plus) and "if" I was in Florida (Lake
> Wales) I'd be all over this.
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2590640936
>
> The feed speed can be varied between 20, 40 and 80 FPM. Has
> a four knife cutter head. Will take a 3/8" cut in one pass.
> It weighs in at about 1500 lbs.
>
> This ain't no Mommy's Boy Chiwanese (built by little
> children and political prisoners) 20" planer.
>
> This planer originally sold for about $1000 (w/o motor) in
> 1960. I'll let you play with the inflation calculator to
> determine it's worth (new) today. In the grand scheme of
> things wooddorking and vintage, getting a machine like this
> for the same price it sold for back in the 50's/60's is
> enough to allow you drop your shorts down around your ankles
> and wag yourself at passers by.
>
> The seller (Jim Barber/Barber's Machinery) is someone known
> to some of the members of the Old WoodWorking
> Machines (OWWM) forum and to the best of my recollection
> he's trustable.
>
> Just say (tmPL), "If" I had a grand (plus) and "if" I was in
> Florida (Lake Wales) I'd be all over this.
>
> sigh...
>
> UA100

Tim Carver wrote:
>It sounds as if you're saying that you're looking first
>for good value for your money, which is hard to argue with.

That would be fair and I also agree with what another poster
brought up in a thread on the amount of work there seems to
be after buying what was supposed to be a new machine (it
comes in kit form) ready to use. I figure if I have to work
on it anyway I might as well not pay as much for it.

>Clearly, a lot of older American stuff is a great value today. However, I
>believe that most of the reason that for the higher
>quality of the older American stuff is that after adjusting for
>inflation, the equipment was much more expensive when new than
>what's available today.

See now you're getting into voodoo and mumbo-jumbo. I keep
ekinomiks up their with religion and politics when it comes
to having a civil discussion.

>Contrary to what a lot of people think, the prices of heavy woodworking
>machinery have been trending downward for many years,

Not to cut you off with that thought but I'm a firm believer
that it's all about Norm. Don't worry, I'm not one of those
guys whose having his teeth screwed with on purpose so he
can look just like Norm. What I've been watching these last
three decades is the growth in hobbyist wooddorking. Before
Norm (BN) it was awful dismal to say the least. After Norm
(AN) it's what you see today. Pretty much in a nut shell
you can go to all of the tool and machine makers and look at
their Spiky Charts and pretty much SWAG a moment in time
when Norm first started being watched by the public. "That"
is what drives down the cost of wooddorking tools and
machinery.

>especially after inflation but in many cases even in
>absolute dollars. Take your Parks planer for example - you say it
>sold originally for $1000 in 1960. That's probably $10,000 or so
>today!

Okee-dokee.

>So is it fair to say it's "better built" than what's available
>today? Yes in an absolute sense, but certainly not in the sense of
>price/performance when the machines were new. Many of these
>machines were simply not even an option for the home shop back in the
>days when they were made, due to their original cost.

I've totally missed your point here. Are you apologizing
for manufacturers because they've driven the price down with
value engineering and cheaper castings?

>This trend works in your favor as a collector of old iron, because the
>market tends to value used machines as some fraction of the cost of a
>new replacement, even if the new replacement isn't as well made.

And don't forget, somebody else got to rub off the shiney
which a lot of people just don't understand.

>I've always taken the route of being new stuff, but I try to be
>extremely careful of what I buy and how much I pay for it. The planer
>the OP asked about (Grizzly G1033) about is a good example. It weighs
>750 lbs, and even though I'm in no sense an expert, I think it's a
>great machine. That thing is a workhorse, and IIRC, I paid $1100 for
>it on sale. That would be equivalent to $100 or so back in 1960.

And Grandpa bought a Ford for $350.

> As you've probably guessed, I've never bought an old woodworking
>machine - but I'm willing to do it, if the value proposition looks
>right to me. I'd love to have an old, high quality RAS, but
>ufortunately, my shop is too full of iron already!

All you have to do is start looking.

UA100

On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 23:09:09 GMT, Unisaw A100 <[email protected]>
wrote:

>What I've been watching these last
>three decades is the growth in hobbyist wooddorking. Before
>Norm (BN) it was awful dismal to say the least. After Norm
>(AN) it's what you see today. Pretty much in a nut shell
>you can go to all of the tool and machine makers and look at
>their Spiky Charts and pretty much SWAG a moment in time
>when Norm first started being watched by the public. "That"
>is what drives down the cost of wooddorking tools and
>machinery.
We're in agreement that hobbyist woodworking has grown a ton, and
that Norm has had an impact, and I'll grant that equipment started
getting more affordable at about the time Norm came on the scene.
I'm not sure, however, whether the growth of the hobby (and Norm's
popularity) caused the availability of affordable machinery, or
whether the hobby has grown because the machinery became affordable,
with Norm's popularity coming as a result of the growth of the hobby.
Perhaps a bit of both. Regardless, the machinery has relentessly
gotten cheaper (in inflation-adjusted terms) during that period.
>
>>especially after inflation but in many cases even in
>>absolute dollars. Take your Parks planer for example - you say it
>>sold originally for $1000 in 1960. That's probably $10,000 or so
>>today!
>
>Okee-dokee.
>
>>So is it fair to say it's "better built" than what's available
>>today? Yes in an absolute sense, but certainly not in the sense of
>>price/performance when the machines were new. Many of these
>>machines were simply not even an option for the home shop back in the
>>days when they were made, due to their original cost.
>
>I've totally missed your point here. Are you apologizing
>for manufacturers because they've driven the price down with
>value engineering and cheaper castings?
Well, I suppose I am. I was just saying that IMO it's not
a bad thing that a hobbyist can now buy a new 20" stationary
planer for a tiny fraction of his/her salary when that tool would have
cost a major chunk of a years salary a few decades ago. When that
Parks planer sold for $1000, $8000 per year was a really good yearly
salary. A new planer today is a much more affordable proposition than
it was in 1960. It doesn't seem unreasonable to me that this greater
affordability for the masses has come along with some quality
reduction.

>I'd love to have an old, high quality RAS, but
>>ufortunately, my shop is too full of iron already!
>
>All you have to do is start looking.
Well, I'd have to either build another building or get rid of
something big. Then I could start looking :-)


Tim Carver
[email protected]

On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 13:14:57 GMT, Unisaw A100 <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
>This ain't no Mommy's Boy Chiwanese (built by little
>children and political prisoners) 20" planer.

The Grizzly planer isn't made in China, it's made in Taiwan. I know
you like American made stuff, great, so do I, but you are kidding
yourself if you think Taiwanese stuff is made by children and
political prisoners. Taiwanese stuff is good, and it's good because
their people basically work their asses off. They are among the best
and most efficient capitalists on Earth.




Tim Carver
[email protected]

On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 23:09:09 GMT, Unisaw A100 <[email protected]>
wrote:


>See now you're getting into voodoo and mumbo-jumbo. I keep
>ekinomiks up their with religion and politics when it comes
>to having a civil discussion.


I ain't perzactly shur but this might be in the aria of political
scientology.


Thomas J. Watson-Cabinetmaker (ret)
Real Email is: tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet
Website: http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1

On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 10:08:00 GMT, Unisaw A100 <[email protected]>
wrote:

>BN the only biscuit joiner you could buy was the Elu (Norm's
>favorite but there's a story why/I'll tell it with a little
>prodding)

???


Tim Carver
[email protected]

Tim Carver wrote:
>The Grizzly planer isn't made in China, it's made in Taiwan. I know
>you like American made stuff, great, so do I, but you are kidding
>yourself if you think Taiwanese stuff is made by children and
>political prisoners. Taiwanese stuff is good, and it's good because
>their people basically work their asses off. They are among the best
>and most efficient capitalists on Earth.


I'll concede you this one but what will it look like after
the 'Murican shipper is done with it?

UA100

Tim Carver wrote:
>I know you like American made stuff, great,



By the way Tim, I've never been on the "Buy 'Murican" band
wagon. I actually hate these flag wavers. The bandwagon I
have been on is the "buy the older and better built
machinery". It just so happens and is a matter of fact that
most of what is available in the "older and better built"
class of machines just happens to be 'Murican.

I would not have a problem buying something foreign. It
wouldn't even need to be older, just better built. Oh, and
at less than (way less than) retail hence the old. I guess
you could say I'm a re-cycler.

UA100

On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 03:06:42 GMT, "Rob V" <[email protected]> wrote:

>Im in the market for a new 20" planer.
>Right now Im looking at the Jet JWP-208 - 3HP 20" . I can get it for about
>1350.00 w/ shipping
>Looking at some comparisons - the grizzly G1033 is about 1450.00 w/
>shipping.
>The Powermatic 208 is 1600.00 w/shipping - but as far as I can tell - its
>the same as the jet but a different color.
>
>
>Im also looking at the 5HP shopfox which is about 1,745.00 w/ shipping. But
>thats a bit on the highside of what I want to spend.
>
>Just curious if anyone has any of the above and can give me some + or - on
>them.

I have had the G1033 for a couple of years now. One comment, Grizzly
seems to put this one on sale a couple of times a year for a hundred
or so off, you might want to wait for their summer sale.

It worked great out of the box, no complaints at all. I don't really
see why you'd need more power, either. This thing is plenty strong at
3HP. Make sure you've got the DC to handle it.



Tim Carver
[email protected]