Lowe's has the Bosch 12-Volt 3/8" cordless drill (PS31-2A) for $99
plus tax. I guess its nationwide.
I want one because it's no doubt much lighter and easier to
control than my 14.4 V DeWalt compact drill. Should do for most
drilling and screwing. I have two of their other 12 V products.
They work well.
BTW... If you already have the batteries, extra batteries can be
used to power a Dremel rotary tool, via wires. No need to chop up
the rotary tool body, you just need a wire and a spare male
battery plug (mine came from their flashlight). Sticking the
battery in my pocket or setting it on the table makes for a light
and nimble cutoff tool. And battery life is better than the stock
Dremel batteries. And they use a real lithium-ion battery charger,
unlike the cheap battery destroying charger that came with my old
Dremel cutoff tool. I like it so far, after significant use. The
rotary tool without the attached battery is easier to control.
--
This is not spam. Please feel free to advertise what you think is
a better deal.
Yes it was. and no I didn't try topcote on the housing.
But I am ok with the aluminum, maybe a little more mass, but not too bad.
On 3/3/2012 12:34 AM, Leon wrote:
> On 3/2/2012 12:04 PM, tiredofspam wrote:
>> I have some bosch routers, 1617evs, I like them, I have one issue, the
>> quick release mechanism, I like the Milwaukee better.
>>
>> I replace the motor cans on them, to Aluminum from Magnesium, I hated
>> the oxidation that prevented it from moving well. It took years but
>> Bosch finally owned up to the fact that the mag. was not working.
>> They now move like silk.
>>
>> What is is that you don't like Rob?
>>
>> On 3/2/2012 12:21 PM, Robatoy wrote:
>>>
>>> I own several Bosch power tools. The 12 volt Lithium system has been
>>> flawless. Their jigsaw second to none and drills and sanders have been
>>> work horses. When a cpl of Bosch routers wore out, I replaced them
>>> with Milwaukee. I don't like Bosch routers. Festool is my brand of
>>> choice but not ALL their tools are head and shoulders above the rest.
>>> Some are. NO brand has all bases covered.
>
> I have one of the very first 1617EVS routers, I got it in the summer of
> 1998. The magnesium body was not a problem for me at all however the
> motor housing oxidized immediately. I cleaned the motor housing up and
> put TopCote on it IIRC and it has never been a problem in the past 10 or
> so years. Was the motor housing magnesium too?
John Doe wrote:
>
> You are the same guy that jumped into my last thread to give
> off-topic advice just to brag about your expensive tool. It's no
> big deal but it is weird IMO.
>
>
Nah - that would not be Leon. He loves his Festools, but don't get him
wrong - he's not the guy that is going to brag about his expensive tools.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
Leon <lcb11211 swbelldotnet> wrote:
> John Doe wrote:
>> Lowe's has the Bosch 12-Volt 3/8" cordless drill (PS31-2A) for
>> $99 plus tax. I guess its nationwide.
>>
>> I want one because it's no doubt much lighter and easier to
>> control than my 14.4 V DeWalt compact drill. Should do for most
>> drilling and screwing. I have two of their other 12 V products.
>> They work well.
>>
>> BTW... If you already have the batteries, extra batteries can
>> be used to power a Dremel rotary tool, via wires. No need to
>> chop up the rotary tool body, you just need a wire and a spare
>> male battery plug (mine came from their flashlight). Sticking
>> the battery in my pocket or setting it on the table makes for a
>> light and nimble cutoff tool. And battery life is better than
>> the stock Dremel batteries. And they use a real lithium-ion
>> battery charger, unlike the cheap battery destroying charger
>> that came with my old Dremel cutoff tool. I like it so far,
>> after significant use. The rotary tool without the attached
>> battery is easier to control.
> What is the Bosch return policy, before you buy. For me
> personally over the past 24 years the only drill that had failed
> while I was using it was a Bosch.
Well that just sounds weird. The vast majority of Bosch tool users
are satisfied.
Since it's from the local Lowe's, the first line of defense is
simply returning it to the store. That's one reason it's a good
deal.
On 3/3/2012 7:25 PM, Dave wrote:
> On Sat, 03 Mar 2012 08:36:44 -0600, Swingman<[email protected]> wrote:
>>> So it was YOUR fault. All that info on the Domino you gave me made me
>>> decide to buy. I think you should send me the current purchase price of a
>>> Domino.
>
>> IIRC, you asked me about the Domino first and I recommended Leon as the
>> pusher.
>
> Yeah, but I'm willing to bet that you two work together. You start the
> process with your construction images and Leon closes with his fine
> detail information. After all, you almost live across the street from
> each other. So, how much Festool commission do you really get?
Well we do work together, we have built several kitchens. It would be
nice to get a Festool commission. ;~)
On Sat, 03 Mar 2012 08:36:44 -0600, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>> So it was YOUR fault. All that info on the Domino you gave me made me
>> decide to buy. I think you should send me the current purchase price of a
>> Domino.
>IIRC, you asked me about the Domino first and I recommended Leon as the
>pusher.
Yeah, but I'm willing to bet that you two work together. You start the
process with your construction images and Leon closes with his fine
detail information. After all, you almost live across the street from
each other. So, how much Festool commission do you really get?
"tiredofspam" wrote
> That's because leon is a Festooly...
> Anything but is a compromise to him.
>
A festooly?? Shouldn't that be spelled festoolee?? (My spell checker
doesn't like either term) Sounds like some kind of serious disease. Is
there a cure? Is it a condition that can be "managed"?
Perhaps some other terms could apply. Like...
Quality tool freak.
Tool excellence syndrome.
Tool one upmanship.
Quality import tool connoisseur.
Tool snob.
Tooling aristocrat.
Over the hill car guy losing his way.
Festool cult member.
Laguna cult member.
I am sure you guys can come up with a couple more.
Just thinking, what would a man hating shrink make of Leon's "tool disorder?
LOL
Leon <lcb11211 swbelldotnet> wrote:
> John Doe wrote:
>> Leon<lcb11211 swbelldotnet> wrote:
>>> John Doe wrote:
>>
>>>> Lowe's has the Bosch 12-Volt 3/8" cordless drill (PS31-2A)
>>>> for $99 plus tax. I guess its nationwide.
>>>>
>>>> I want one because it's no doubt much lighter and easier to
>>>> control than my 14.4 V DeWalt compact drill. Should do for
>>>> most drilling and screwing. I have two of their other 12 V
>>>> products. They work well.
>>>>
>>>> BTW... If you already have the batteries, extra batteries can
>>>> be used to power a Dremel rotary tool, via wires. No need to
>>>> chop up the rotary tool body, you just need a wire and a
>>>> spare male battery plug (mine came from their flashlight).
>>>> Sticking the battery in my pocket or setting it on the table
>>>> makes for a light and nimble cutoff tool. And battery life is
>>>> better than the stock Dremel batteries. And they use a real
>>>> lithium-ion battery charger, unlike the cheap battery
>>>> destroying charger that came with my old Dremel cutoff tool.
>>>> I like it so far, after significant use. The rotary tool
>>>> without the attached battery is easier to control.
>>
>>> What is the Bosch return policy, before you buy. For me
>>> personally over the past 24 years the only drill that had
>>> failed while I was using it was a Bosch.
>>
>> Well that just sounds weird. The vast majority of Bosch tool
>> users are satisfied.
>
> Not weird at all.
You are the same guy that jumped into my last thread to give
off-topic advice just to brag about your expensive tool. It's no
big deal but it is weird IMO.
--
> No tool manufacturer is great at everything. The
> vast majority of Bosch tool users don't use Bosch drills.
>
>
>> Since it's from the local Lowe's, the first line of defense is
>> simply returning it to the store. That's one reason it's a good
>> deal.
>
> As long as you are not stuck with your purchase should you not be pleased.
>
Dave wrote:
> On Fri, 2 Mar 2012 13:08:54 -0500, "Mike Marlow"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Hey Leon - I think they're picking on you. Don't let them get away
>> with that...
>
> Shit disturber.
That is Stirrer, sir. Anyone can disturb, but stirring takes a certain
knack.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
tiredofspam wrote:
> I think you are right... Festool cult member...
> they took him away and brainwashed him.
> I will buy Festool.
> I will buy Festool....
> I will buy Festool....
> I will buy Festool....
> I will buy Festool....
>
>
> On 3/2/2012 12:03 PM, Lee Michaels wrote:
>>
>>
>> "tiredofspam" wrote
>>> That's because leon is a Festooly...
>>> Anything but is a compromise to him.
>>>
>> A festooly?? Shouldn't that be spelled festoolee?? (My spell checker
>> doesn't like either term) Sounds like some kind of serious disease.
>> Is there a cure? Is it a condition that can be "managed"?
>>
Hey Leon - I think they're picking on you. Don't let them get away with
that...
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On Mar 2, 8:37=A0am, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
> On 3/1/2012 10:45 PM, John Doe wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Lowe's has the Bosch 12-Volt 3/8" cordless drill (PS31-2A) for $99
> > plus tax. I guess its nationwide.
>
> > I want one because it's no doubt much lighter and easier to
> > control than my 14.4 V DeWalt compact drill. Should do for most
> > drilling and screwing. I have two of their other 12 V products.
> > They work well.
>
> > BTW... If you already have the batteries, extra batteries can be
> > used to power a Dremel rotary tool, via wires. No need to chop up
> > the rotary tool body, you just need a wire and a spare male
> > battery plug (mine came from their flashlight). Sticking the
> > battery in my pocket or setting it on the table makes for a light
> > and nimble cutoff tool. And battery life is better than the stock
> > Dremel batteries. And they use a real lithium-ion battery charger,
> > unlike the cheap battery destroying charger that came with my old
> > Dremel cutoff tool. I like it so far, after significant use. The
> > rotary tool without the attached battery is easier to control.
>
> What is the Bosch return policy, before you buy. =A0For me personally ove=
r
> the past 24 years the only drill that had failed while I was using it
> was a Bosch. =A0That has happened 3~4 times and once at a WW show.
>
> I too own Bosch routers and an 18volt Bosch Impact driver. =A0I won the
> Bosch impact driver and it is about 3 years old. =A0I very seldom use it
> over my 7 year old Makita Impact driver.
>
> You may very well be very happy with it but I probably would never buy on=
e.
I own several Bosch power tools. The 12 volt Lithium system has been
flawless. Their jigsaw second to none and drills and sanders have been
work horses. When a cpl of Bosch routers wore out, I replaced them
with Milwaukee. I don't like Bosch routers. Festool is my brand of
choice but not ALL their tools are head and shoulders above the rest.
Some are. NO brand has all bases covered.
On Mar 2, 1:08=A0pm, "Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote:
> tiredofspam wrote:
> > I think you are right... Festool cult member...
> > they took him away and brainwashed him.
> > I will buy Festool.
> > I will buy Festool....
> > I will buy Festool....
> > I will buy Festool....
> > I will buy Festool....
>
> > On 3/2/2012 12:03 PM, Lee Michaels wrote:
>
> >> "tiredofspam" wrote
> >>> That's because leon is a Festooly...
> >>> Anything but is a compromise to him.
>
> >> A festooly?? Shouldn't that be spelled festoolee?? (My spell checker
> >> doesn't like either term) Sounds like some kind of serious disease.
> >> Is there a cure? Is it a condition that can be "managed"?
>
> Hey Leon - I think they're picking on you. =A0Don't let them get away wit=
h
> that...
>
> --
>
> -Mike-
> [email protected]
Don't you worry about Leon. He knows he has the best and uses those
tools to their potential. No mismatch there.
On Fri, 02 Mar 2012 07:37:13 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>On 3/1/2012 10:45 PM, John Doe wrote:
>> Lowe's has the Bosch 12-Volt 3/8" cordless drill (PS31-2A) for $99
>> plus tax. I guess its nationwide.
>>
>> I want one because it's no doubt much lighter and easier to
>> control than my 14.4 V DeWalt compact drill. Should do for most
>> drilling and screwing. I have two of their other 12 V products.
>> They work well.
>>
>> BTW... If you already have the batteries, extra batteries can be
>> used to power a Dremel rotary tool, via wires. No need to chop up
>> the rotary tool body, you just need a wire and a spare male
>> battery plug (mine came from their flashlight). Sticking the
>> battery in my pocket or setting it on the table makes for a light
>> and nimble cutoff tool. And battery life is better than the stock
>> Dremel batteries. And they use a real lithium-ion battery charger,
>> unlike the cheap battery destroying charger that came with my old
>> Dremel cutoff tool. I like it so far, after significant use. The
>> rotary tool without the attached battery is easier to control.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>What is the Bosch return policy, before you buy. For me personally over
>the past 24 years the only drill that had failed while I was using it
>was a Bosch. That has happened 3~4 times and once at a WW show.
One sample is hardly evidence of anything.
>I too own Bosch routers and an 18volt Bosch Impact driver. I won the
>Bosch impact driver and it is about 3 years old. I very seldom use it
>over my 7 year old Makita Impact driver.
I own seven Bosch drivers (three 12V drivers, 12V & 18V impacts, and 12V and
18V drill). No problems at all. Love the things.
>You may very well be very happy with it but I probably would never buy one.
...on the basis of one failure.
Ah, you reminded me. The switches do suck. I have had to clean and
replace mine multiple times. POC
On 3/2/2012 2:33 PM, Robatoy wrote:
> On Mar 2, 1:04 pm, tiredofspam<nospam.nospam.com> wrote:
>> I have some bosch routers, 1617evs, I like them, I have one issue, the
>> quick release mechanism, I like the Milwaukee better.
>>
>> I replace the motor cans on them, to Aluminum from Magnesium, I hated
>> the oxidation that prevented it from moving well. It took years but
>> Bosch finally owned up to the fact that the mag. was not working.
>> They now move like silk.
>>
>> What is is that you don't like Rob?
>>
> Mine were the 2 HP composite bodies with a rotating cam-like height
> adjustment. The centre of the base and the centre of the bit would
> never be the same as the motor body rotated during adjustment. The
> switches were weak as well. The bearing, closest to the collet wore
> out pretty quick. But as far as medium router power was concerned,
> they were the best in their day (early 1980's)Smaller Porter Cable
> routers were just starting to come out. I cannot comment on later
> Bosch/(Craftsman) routers.
>
On 3/1/2012 10:45 PM, John Doe wrote:
> Lowe's has the Bosch 12-Volt 3/8" cordless drill (PS31-2A) for $99
> plus tax. I guess its nationwide.
>
> I want one because it's no doubt much lighter and easier to
> control than my 14.4 V DeWalt compact drill. Should do for most
> drilling and screwing. I have two of their other 12 V products.
> They work well.
>
> BTW... If you already have the batteries, extra batteries can be
> used to power a Dremel rotary tool, via wires. No need to chop up
> the rotary tool body, you just need a wire and a spare male
> battery plug (mine came from their flashlight). Sticking the
> battery in my pocket or setting it on the table makes for a light
> and nimble cutoff tool. And battery life is better than the stock
> Dremel batteries. And they use a real lithium-ion battery charger,
> unlike the cheap battery destroying charger that came with my old
> Dremel cutoff tool. I like it so far, after significant use. The
> rotary tool without the attached battery is easier to control.
>
>
>
>
>
What is the Bosch return policy, before you buy. For me personally over
the past 24 years the only drill that had failed while I was using it
was a Bosch. That has happened 3~4 times and once at a WW show.
I too own Bosch routers and an 18volt Bosch Impact driver. I won the
Bosch impact driver and it is about 3 years old. I very seldom use it
over my 7 year old Makita Impact driver.
You may very well be very happy with it but I probably would never buy one.
That's because leon is a Festooly...
Anything but is a compromise to him.
On 3/2/2012 9:01 AM, John Doe wrote:
> Leon<lcb11211 swbelldotnet> wrote:
>
>> John Doe wrote:
>
>>> Lowe's has the Bosch 12-Volt 3/8" cordless drill (PS31-2A) for
>>> $99 plus tax. I guess its nationwide.
>>>
>>> I want one because it's no doubt much lighter and easier to
>>> control than my 14.4 V DeWalt compact drill. Should do for most
>>> drilling and screwing. I have two of their other 12 V products.
>>> They work well.
>>>
>>> BTW... If you already have the batteries, extra batteries can
>>> be used to power a Dremel rotary tool, via wires. No need to
>>> chop up the rotary tool body, you just need a wire and a spare
>>> male battery plug (mine came from their flashlight). Sticking
>>> the battery in my pocket or setting it on the table makes for a
>>> light and nimble cutoff tool. And battery life is better than
>>> the stock Dremel batteries. And they use a real lithium-ion
>>> battery charger, unlike the cheap battery destroying charger
>>> that came with my old Dremel cutoff tool. I like it so far,
>>> after significant use. The rotary tool without the attached
>>> battery is easier to control.
>
>> What is the Bosch return policy, before you buy. For me
>> personally over the past 24 years the only drill that had failed
>> while I was using it was a Bosch.
>
> Well that just sounds weird. The vast majority of Bosch tool users
> are satisfied.
>
> Since it's from the local Lowe's, the first line of defense is
> simply returning it to the store. That's one reason it's a good
> deal.
Dave <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> On Sat, 03 Mar 2012 08:39:51 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>>Yeah that sounds right I think Dave was all oiled up by the time he
>>started quizzing me on the tool. LOL
>
> I *knew* it. You two are working together. What's your commission?
> Huh? Huh? I otta sue you two.
>
> http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/Canada/20080109/meth_lawsuit_080109/
>
I don't think you fit the category of "Ex-addict." You're still hooked.
;-)
Puckdropper
--
Make it to fit, don't make it fit.
On Sat, 03 Mar 2012 08:39:51 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>Yeah that sounds right I think Dave was all oiled up by the time he
>started quizzing me on the tool. LOL
I *knew* it. You two are working together. What's your commission?
Huh? Huh? I otta sue you two.
http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/Canada/20080109/meth_lawsuit_080109/
On 3/3/2012 1:52 AM, Dave wrote:
> On Fri, 02 Mar 2012 23:29:35 -0600, Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
> wrote:
>
>> Good save there Robatoy! Especially since I blame you personally for
>> showing me the way several years ago with a link to the Domino in
>> Europe. But then I showed Swingman the way and maybe Dave. ;~)
>
> So it was YOUR fault. All that info on the Domino you gave me made me
> decide to buy. I think you send me the current purchase price of a
> Domino.
IIRC, you asked me about the Domino first and I recommended Leon as the
pusher.
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On 3/3/2012 11:06 AM, John Doe wrote:
> You are the same guy that jumped into my last thread to give
> off-topic advice just to brag about your expensive tool. It's no
> big deal but it is weird IMO.
You might note that you crossposted, so welcome to the wRec on UseNet,
where every message can be replied to without regard to the wishes of
the original poster, and where it's even more weird to expect otherwise.
Count your blessings ... thus far there has been no mention of religion,
politics or electricity on your precious topic ... but don't hold your
breath.
Besides, around here it's all Butch's fault ...
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http://gplus.to/eWoodShop
On 3/3/2012 11:06 AM, John Doe wrote:
> Leon<lcb11211 swbelldotnet> wrote:
>
>> John Doe wrote:
>>> Leon<lcb11211 swbelldotnet> wrote:
>>>> John Doe wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Lowe's has the Bosch 12-Volt 3/8" cordless drill (PS31-2A)
>>>>> for $99 plus tax. I guess its nationwide.
>>>>>
>>>>> I want one because it's no doubt much lighter and easier to
>>>>> control than my 14.4 V DeWalt compact drill. Should do for
>>>>> most drilling and screwing. I have two of their other 12 V
>>>>> products. They work well.
>>>>>
>>>>> BTW... If you already have the batteries, extra batteries can
>>>>> be used to power a Dremel rotary tool, via wires. No need to
>>>>> chop up the rotary tool body, you just need a wire and a
>>>>> spare male battery plug (mine came from their flashlight).
>>>>> Sticking the battery in my pocket or setting it on the table
>>>>> makes for a light and nimble cutoff tool. And battery life is
>>>>> better than the stock Dremel batteries. And they use a real
>>>>> lithium-ion battery charger, unlike the cheap battery
>>>>> destroying charger that came with my old Dremel cutoff tool.
>>>>> I like it so far, after significant use. The rotary tool
>>>>> without the attached battery is easier to control.
>>>
>>>> What is the Bosch return policy, before you buy. For me
>>>> personally over the past 24 years the only drill that had
>>>> failed while I was using it was a Bosch.
>>>
>>> Well that just sounds weird. The vast majority of Bosch tool
>>> users are satisfied.
>>
>> Not weird at all.
>
> You are the same guy that jumped into my last thread to give
> off-topic advice just to brag about your expensive tool. It's no
> big deal but it is weird IMO.
>
Which thread would that be?
"Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*nadaspam* at comcast dot net> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
>
>
> "tiredofspam" wrote
>> That's because leon is a Festooly...
>> Anything but is a compromise to him.
>>
> A festooly?? Shouldn't that be spelled festoolee?? (My spell checker
> doesn't like either term) Sounds like some kind of serious disease.
> Is there a cure? Is it a condition that can be "managed"?
>
> Perhaps some other terms could apply. Like...
>
> Quality tool freak.
> Tool excellence syndrome.
> Tool one upmanship.
> Quality import tool connoisseur.
> Tool snob.
> Tooling aristocrat.
> Over the hill car guy losing his way.
> Festool cult member.
> Laguna cult member.
>
> I am sure you guys can come up with a couple more.
>
> Just thinking, what would a man hating shrink make of Leon's "tool
> disorder? LOL
>
I vote for "tool snob".
--
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jyanik
at
localnet
dot com
I have some bosch routers, 1617evs, I like them, I have one issue, the
quick release mechanism, I like the Milwaukee better.
I replace the motor cans on them, to Aluminum from Magnesium, I hated
the oxidation that prevented it from moving well. It took years but
Bosch finally owned up to the fact that the mag. was not working.
They now move like silk.
What is is that you don't like Rob?
On 3/2/2012 12:21 PM, Robatoy wrote:
>
> I own several Bosch power tools. The 12 volt Lithium system has been
> flawless. Their jigsaw second to none and drills and sanders have been
> work horses. When a cpl of Bosch routers wore out, I replaced them
> with Milwaukee. I don't like Bosch routers. Festool is my brand of
> choice but not ALL their tools are head and shoulders above the rest.
> Some are. NO brand has all bases covered.
On 3/2/2012 12:04 PM, tiredofspam wrote:
> I have some bosch routers, 1617evs, I like them, I have one issue, the
> quick release mechanism, I like the Milwaukee better.
>
> I replace the motor cans on them, to Aluminum from Magnesium, I hated
> the oxidation that prevented it from moving well. It took years but
> Bosch finally owned up to the fact that the mag. was not working.
> They now move like silk.
>
> What is is that you don't like Rob?
>
> On 3/2/2012 12:21 PM, Robatoy wrote:
>>
>> I own several Bosch power tools. The 12 volt Lithium system has been
>> flawless. Their jigsaw second to none and drills and sanders have been
>> work horses. When a cpl of Bosch routers wore out, I replaced them
>> with Milwaukee. I don't like Bosch routers. Festool is my brand of
>> choice but not ALL their tools are head and shoulders above the rest.
>> Some are. NO brand has all bases covered.
I have one of the very first 1617EVS routers, I got it in the summer of
1998. The magnesium body was not a problem for me at all however the
motor housing oxidized immediately. I cleaned the motor housing up and
put TopCote on it IIRC and it has never been a problem in the past 10 or
so years. Was the motor housing magnesium too?
On Mar 1, 8:45=A0pm, John Doe <[email protected]> wrote:
> Lowe's has the Bosch 12-Volt 3/8" cordless drill (PS31-2A) for $99
> plus tax. I guess its nationwide.
>
> --
> This is not spam. Please feel free to advertise what you think is
> a better deal.
I love mine.
I think you are right... Festool cult member...
they took him away and brainwashed him.
I will buy Festool.
I will buy Festool....
I will buy Festool....
I will buy Festool....
I will buy Festool....
On 3/2/2012 12:03 PM, Lee Michaels wrote:
>
>
> "tiredofspam" wrote
>> That's because leon is a Festooly...
>> Anything but is a compromise to him.
>>
> A festooly?? Shouldn't that be spelled festoolee?? (My spell checker
> doesn't like either term) Sounds like some kind of serious disease. Is
> there a cure? Is it a condition that can be "managed"?
>
> Perhaps some other terms could apply. Like...
>
> Quality tool freak.
> Tool excellence syndrome.
> Tool one upmanship.
> Quality import tool connoisseur.
> Tool snob.
> Tooling aristocrat.
> Over the hill car guy losing his way.
> Festool cult member.
> Laguna cult member.
>
> I am sure you guys can come up with a couple more.
>
> Just thinking, what would a man hating shrink make of Leon's "tool
> disorder? LOL
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On 04 Mar 2012 02:08:38 GMT, Puckdropper
>I don't think you fit the category of "Ex-addict." You're still hooked.
You're probably right. Only problem is that there isn't anyone around
for me to accost for more drug tool money. And, short or long term
abstinence from feeding my addiction isn't going to diminish that
addiction. There's no going cold turkey from a Festool addiction.
On Mar 2, 1:04=A0pm, tiredofspam <nospam.nospam.com> wrote:
> I have some bosch routers, 1617evs, I like them, I have one issue, the
> quick release mechanism, I like the Milwaukee better.
>
> I replace the motor cans on them, to Aluminum from Magnesium, I hated
> the oxidation that prevented it from moving well. It took years but
> Bosch finally owned up to the fact that the mag. was not working.
> They now move like silk.
>
> What is is that you don't like Rob?
>
Mine were the 2 HP composite bodies with a rotating cam-like height
adjustment. The centre of the base and the centre of the bit would
never be the same as the motor body rotated during adjustment. The
switches were weak as well. The bearing, closest to the collet wore
out pretty quick. But as far as medium router power was concerned,
they were the best in their day (early 1980's)Smaller Porter Cable
routers were just starting to come out. I cannot comment on later
Bosch/(Craftsman) routers.
On Fri, 2 Mar 2012 12:03:21 -0500, "Lee Michaels"
>Quality tool freak.
>Tool excellence syndrome.
>Tool one upmanship.
>Quality import tool connoisseur.
>Tool snob.
>Tooling aristocrat.
>Over the hill car guy losing his way.
>Festool cult member.
>Laguna cult member.
>I am sure you guys can come up with a couple more.
Sure, I've experienced a few...
Finding out (in this case) that the quality tool is worth the money
Knowing that your Festool is better quality than most
Taking advantage of the Festool support group
Knowing that your Festool won't make a mess like other tools
Sorry, don't own a Laguna yet, so I guess I lose
But, I guess at this point that most of us Festoolin people sound like
Michael Joel with his unwavering religion. The only difference being
that you can prove the viability of Festool with a purchase ~ not so
easy with finding God, at least scientifically.
On 3/2/2012 12:08 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> tiredofspam wrote:
>> I think you are right... Festool cult member...
>> they took him away and brainwashed him.
>> I will buy Festool.
>> I will buy Festool....
>> I will buy Festool....
>> I will buy Festool....
>> I will buy Festool....
>>
>>
>> On 3/2/2012 12:03 PM, Lee Michaels wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "tiredofspam" wrote
>>>> That's because leon is a Festooly...
>>>> Anything but is a compromise to him.
>>>>
>>> A festooly?? Shouldn't that be spelled festoolee?? (My spell checker
>>> doesn't like either term) Sounds like some kind of serious disease.
>>> Is there a cure? Is it a condition that can be "managed"?
>>>
>
> Hey Leon - I think they're picking on you. Don't let them get away with
> that...
>
Thats OK ,l~)
On 3/2/2012 11:03 AM, Lee Michaels wrote:
>
>
> "tiredofspam" wrote
>> That's because leon is a Festooly...
>> Anything but is a compromise to him.
>>
> A festooly?? Shouldn't that be spelled festoolee?? (My spell checker
> doesn't like either term) Sounds like some kind of serious disease. Is
> there a cure? Is it a condition that can be "managed"?
>
> Perhaps some other terms could apply. Like...
>
> Quality tool freak.
> Tool excellence syndrome.
> Tool one upmanship.
> Quality import tool connoisseur.
> Tool snob.
> Tooling aristocrat.
> Over the hill car guy losing his way.
> Festool cult member.
> Laguna cult member.
>
> I am sure you guys can come up with a couple more.
>
> Just thinking, what would a man hating shrink make of Leon's "tool
> disorder? LOL
>
>
I like,,,
Number 1,2,4,,8, and 9. ;~)
On 3/2/2012 1:37 PM, Robatoy wrote:
> On Mar 2, 1:08 pm, "Mike Marlow"<[email protected]> wrote:
>> tiredofspam wrote:
>>> I think you are right... Festool cult member...
>>> they took him away and brainwashed him.
>>> I will buy Festool.
>>> I will buy Festool....
>>> I will buy Festool....
>>> I will buy Festool....
>>> I will buy Festool....
>>
>>> On 3/2/2012 12:03 PM, Lee Michaels wrote:
>>
>>>> "tiredofspam" wrote
>>>>> That's because leon is a Festooly...
>>>>> Anything but is a compromise to him.
>>
>>>> A festooly?? Shouldn't that be spelled festoolee?? (My spell checker
>>>> doesn't like either term) Sounds like some kind of serious disease.
>>>> Is there a cure? Is it a condition that can be "managed"?
>>
>> Hey Leon - I think they're picking on you. Don't let them get away with
>> that...
>>
>> --
>>
>> -Mike-
>> [email protected]
>
> Don't you worry about Leon. He knows he has the best and uses those
> tools to their potential. No mismatch there.
Good save there Robatoy! Especially since I blame you personally for
showing me the way several years ago with a link to the Domino in
Europe. But then I showed Swingman the way and maybe Dave. ;~)
On 3/3/2012 8:36 AM, Swingman wrote:
> On 3/3/2012 1:52 AM, Dave wrote:
>> On Fri, 02 Mar 2012 23:29:35 -0600, Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Good save there Robatoy! Especially since I blame you personally for
>>> showing me the way several years ago with a link to the Domino in
>>> Europe. But then I showed Swingman the way and maybe Dave. ;~)
>>
>> So it was YOUR fault. All that info on the Domino you gave me made me
>> decide to buy. I think you send me the current purchase price of a
>> Domino.
>
> IIRC, you asked me about the Domino first and I recommended Leon as the
> pusher.
>
Yeah that sounds right I think Dave was all oiled up by the time he
started quizzing me on the tool. LOL
On 3/2/2012 8:01 AM, John Doe wrote:
> Leon<lcb11211 swbelldotnet> wrote:
>
>> John Doe wrote:
>
>>> Lowe's has the Bosch 12-Volt 3/8" cordless drill (PS31-2A) for
>>> $99 plus tax. I guess its nationwide.
>>>
>>> I want one because it's no doubt much lighter and easier to
>>> control than my 14.4 V DeWalt compact drill. Should do for most
>>> drilling and screwing. I have two of their other 12 V products.
>>> They work well.
>>>
>>> BTW... If you already have the batteries, extra batteries can
>>> be used to power a Dremel rotary tool, via wires. No need to
>>> chop up the rotary tool body, you just need a wire and a spare
>>> male battery plug (mine came from their flashlight). Sticking
>>> the battery in my pocket or setting it on the table makes for a
>>> light and nimble cutoff tool. And battery life is better than
>>> the stock Dremel batteries. And they use a real lithium-ion
>>> battery charger, unlike the cheap battery destroying charger
>>> that came with my old Dremel cutoff tool. I like it so far,
>>> after significant use. The rotary tool without the attached
>>> battery is easier to control.
>
>> What is the Bosch return policy, before you buy. For me
>> personally over the past 24 years the only drill that had failed
>> while I was using it was a Bosch.
>
> Well that just sounds weird. The vast majority of Bosch tool users
> are satisfied.
Not weird at all. No tool manufacturer is great at everything. The
vast majority of Bosch tool users don't use Bosch drills.
> Since it's from the local Lowe's, the first line of defense is
> simply returning it to the store. That's one reason it's a good
> deal.
As long as you are not stuck with your purchase should you not be pleased.
On Fri, 02 Mar 2012 23:29:35 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
>Good save there Robatoy! Especially since I blame you personally for
>showing me the way several years ago with a link to the Domino in
>Europe. But then I showed Swingman the way and maybe Dave. ;~)
So it was YOUR fault. All that info on the Domino you gave me made me
decide to buy. I think you send me the current purchase price of a
Domino.
On Fri, 2 Mar 2012 13:08:54 -0500, "Mike Marlow"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Hey Leon - I think they're picking on you. Don't let them get away with
>that...
Shit disturber.
"Lee Michaels" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
"tiredofspam" wrote
> That's because leon is a Festooly...
> Anything but is a compromise to him.
>
A festooly?? Shouldn't that be spelled festoolee?? (My spell checker
doesn't like either term) Sounds like some kind of serious disease. Is
there a cure? Is it a condition that can be "managed"?
Perhaps some other terms could apply. Like...
Quality tool freak.
Tool excellence syndrome.
Tool one upmanship.
Quality import tool connoisseur.
Tool snob.
Tooling aristocrat.
Over the hill car guy losing his way.
Festool cult member.
Laguna cult member.
I am sure you guys can come up with a couple more.
Just thinking, what would a man hating shrink make of Leon's "tool disorder?
LOL
==========================================================================
Everything has to have initials these days. HETS. High End Tool Syndrome.
On 3/2/2012 11:42 PM, tiredofspam wrote:
> Yes it was. and no I didn't try topcote on the housing.
> But I am ok with the aluminum, maybe a little more mass, but not too bad.
Ahhhh well that all makes sense now. The inside of the outer body
seldom gets contaminated with your hands touching it inside and probably
why I never realized the problem, so to speak. I knew early on about
the complaints. I thought only the outer housing was magnesium as the
motor body appeared different in color and did not have the magnesium
imprint in it.
> On 3/3/2012 12:34 AM, Leon wrote:
>> On 3/2/2012 12:04 PM, tiredofspam wrote:
>>> I have some bosch routers, 1617evs, I like them, I have one issue, the
>>> quick release mechanism, I like the Milwaukee better.
>>>
>>> I replace the motor cans on them, to Aluminum from Magnesium, I hated
>>> the oxidation that prevented it from moving well. It took years but
>>> Bosch finally owned up to the fact that the mag. was not working.
>>> They now move like silk.
>>>
>>> What is is that you don't like Rob?
>>>
>>> On 3/2/2012 12:21 PM, Robatoy wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I own several Bosch power tools. The 12 volt Lithium system has been
>>>> flawless. Their jigsaw second to none and drills and sanders have been
>>>> work horses. When a cpl of Bosch routers wore out, I replaced them
>>>> with Milwaukee. I don't like Bosch routers. Festool is my brand of
>>>> choice but not ALL their tools are head and shoulders above the rest.
>>>> Some are. NO brand has all bases covered.
>>
>> I have one of the very first 1617EVS routers, I got it in the summer of
>> 1998. The magnesium body was not a problem for me at all however the
>> motor housing oxidized immediately. I cleaned the motor housing up and
>> put TopCote on it IIRC and it has never been a problem in the past 10 or
>> so years. Was the motor housing magnesium too?
On 3/2/2012 7:39 PM, [email protected] wrote:
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>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> What is the Bosch return policy, before you buy. For me personally over
>> the past 24 years the only drill that had failed while I was using it
>> was a Bosch. That has happened 3~4 times and once at a WW show.
>
> One sample is hardly evidence of anything.
Did you miss the part where I mentioned that I had them fail 3~4 times
in addition to once at a WW show???
>
>> I too own Bosch routers and an 18volt Bosch Impact driver. I won the
>> Bosch impact driver and it is about 3 years old. I very seldom use it
>> over my 7 year old Makita Impact driver.
>
> I own seven Bosch drivers (three 12V drivers, 12V& 18V impacts, and 12V and
> 18V drill). No problems at all. Love the things.
Good for you!
>
>> You may very well be very happy with it but I probably would never buy one.
>
> ...on the basis of one failure.
Reread what I actually said.