Wed, Dec 10, 2003, 5:51am (EST+5) [email protected] (Zeke=A0Redner) queries:
<snip> Any suggestions? <snip>
Yah. Stop using quality, and cheap, in the same sentence.
I've got a B&D probably about 27 years old now, and still working
great. You can get a new one at Wally World, Home Desperate, myriads of
places. Or, go to a pawnshop, or hit some yard sales, and get a used
drill, if you're really cheap.
Or, if you're really desperate to buy one off the web, send me $10,
plus shipping, whatever that'll be, and I'll sell you one. No prob.
JOAT
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as well dance.
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Zeke Redner wrote:
> I have heard mixed reviews about Craftsman.
Crapsman, you mean? :)
I wouldn't be afraid to buy a drill from them. Mostly it's a matter of if
you bought the thing wearing its native brand name from some place else,
you'd get a molded plastic case and some extra bits or something for less
money than the plain drill wearing a Crapsman sticker. They're just not a
good value.
Having said that, I have a 7 amp Crapsman drill, and it kicks ass. I don't
miss the molded plastic case, or the cheap bits, and nobody around here was
selling anything like it wearing any other brand name. I needed a drill, I
bought a drill, and it really kicks ass. Who cares if someone wants to
look down his nose at me because my kick ass drill is a Crapsman?
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Jay Pique wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 21:33:08 GMT, "Mark Jerde"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >David Babcock wrote:
> >> For all the cries of Crapsman and all that, you can't really go wrong
> >> by getting an inexpensive drill from Sears.
> >
> >Agreed. I have two. The oldest must be 8-10 years old.
>
> Plus they have a 2 year "no questions asked" warranty.
>
> JP
I went to Sears' web site and looked at a number of their corded drills.
The more expensive Craftsman drills carry a one year warranty. With the
cheaper Craftsman drills the warranty isn't stated. Of the number of
Craftsman drills I looked at I didn't find one with a two year warranty.
--
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Buffalo, NY - USA
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Zeke Redner <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi. I am lookin for a quality, cheap drill. Any suggestions? Where can I
> order one from the web?
> Zeke
Here's a 1/2" hammer-drill on sale for $10:
http://www.homier.com/default.asp?page=itemdetail.asp?i=02486
I don't know how good the quality is but I have bought a few items
from Homier and they've worked fine. I picked up one of their
3HP plunge routers for $50 that's worked great.
Lance
On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 02:56:51 -0500 (EST), [email protected]
(T.) wrote:
>Wed, Dec 10, 2003, 5:51am (EST+5) [email protected] (Zeke=A0Redner) queries:
><snip> Any suggestions? <snip>
>
> Yah. Stop using quality, and cheap, in the same sentence.
>
> I've got a B&D probably about 27 years old now, and still working
>great. You can get a new one at Wally World, Home Desperate, myriads of
They certainly have their faithful.
While bragging about my new cordless my brother responded with:
"Would not trade my 45 year old Black and Decker for any cordless
drill. Can't think how many boats it has built and only put in one
switch, a few sets of brushes and two chucks."
A friend of mine was an electrician - used a 1/4" B&D every day on the
job for 10 years, tossing it around, generally abusing the hell out of
it. He said it threw him into a blind rage when it finally went bad so
he smashed it on the floor...then he thought about it.....and went
right out and bought another one for $9.95.<G>
For dollars/durability they used to be the standard.
Kiyu
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Fri, Dec 12, 2003, 8:58am (EST+5) Kiyu_@visi (Kiyu) says:
<snip> For dollars/durability they used to be the standard.
Still are I guess. My drill's never needed any repairs of any
kind. It's what I use when I need a hand drill.
My B&D circular saw is probably 19-20 years old, still works great.
Carbide tipped blade in it, and it cuts great. Used it when it was new,
to cut thru shingles and sheathing, to put in a fireplace chimmney.
Bought a new blade after that. LOL But, it cut thru with no prob.
My B&D sabre saw died a year or two ago. Bought it about the same
time as the drill. It used to die every once in awhile, but all I had
to do was open it up, and clean out the sawdust. Did that at least half
a dozen times. Last time it didn't work. Still have it, and thinking
about taking it into the repair shop & seeing if they can bring it back
to life. It's a nice handy size, and I'm kinda used to it.
My son had bought me a new B&D sabre saw, but never used it until
the old one died. Used it, and it worked great. A lot taller than the
other tho. Then hadn't used it half a dozen time, & some little cheap
pot metal part that holds the blade in broke. I'll get it in for a
part, one of these days. In the meantime I bought another B&D sabre
saw, where the blade is held in by a screw, for about $19. Works great,
with a decent blade.
I probably wouldn't buy B&D tools if needed them for a living, but
they've done real good for me. Anyway, I don't consider circular saws,
sabre saws, or drills, precision tools, so doesn't really matter what
brand, as long as they work.
JOAT
Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while we are here we might
as well dance.
- Unknown
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T. wrote:
> a dozen times. Last time it didn't work. Still have it, and thinking
> about taking it into the repair shop & seeing if they can bring it back
> to life. It's a nice handy size, and I'm kinda used to it.
Variable or single speed? I have a B&D single speed I'll mail you if you
want it. SWMBO got me a VS model a couple Christmases ago, and I haven't
used the old one since. Lemme know if you want it. No idea how it
compares to the one you're reminiscing about, but it's black, has an orange
switch cover, and runs on electricity. :)
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Fri, Dec 12, 2003, 8:51pm [email protected] (Silvan) says:
Variable or single speed? I have a B&D single speed I'll mail you if you
want it. SWMBO got me a VS model a couple Christmases ago, and I haven't
used the old one since. Lemme know if you want it. No idea how it
compares to the one you're reminiscing about, but it's black, has an
orange switch cover, and runs on electricity. :)
If it works, you damn sure betcha I'll take it. My old one is
single-speed, cord. Not sure what color it was, it's painted yellow
now. LOL
JOAT
Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while we are here we might
as well dance.
- Unknown
Life just ain't life without good music. - JOAT
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Evryone wants something for nothing. Join the crowd.
"Zeke Redner" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
> Hi. I am lookin for a quality, cheap drill. Any suggestions? Where can I
> order one from the web?
>
> Zeke
>
Zeke Redner <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Lance Spaulding <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
> > http://www.homier.com/default.asp?page=itemdetail.asp?i=02486
>
> Perfect! But does it come with the bits in the picture? Obviously it
> should, but the list does not mention it.
>
> Zeke
Yeah, for 10 bucks you certainly "should" get not just a drill but a
set of bits to boot ;) Seems obvious to me.
Dave Hall
On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 07:02:17 GMT, Zeke Redner <[email protected]> wrote:
>Jay Pique <[email protected]> wrote in
>news:[email protected]:
>
>> On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 21:33:08 GMT, "Mark Jerde"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>David Babcock wrote:
>>>> For all the cries of Crapsman and all that, you can't really go wrong
>>>> by getting an inexpensive drill from Sears.
>>>
>>>Agreed. I have two. The oldest must be 8-10 years old.
>>
>> Plus they have a 2 year "no questions asked" warranty.
>>
>> JP
>>
>
>I have heard mixed reviews about Craftsman.
Indeed.
JP
Nova wrote:
> Jay Pique wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 21:33:08 GMT, "Mark Jerde"
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > >David Babcock wrote:
> > >> For all the cries of Crapsman and all that, you can't really go wrong
> > >> by getting an inexpensive drill from Sears.
> > >
> > >Agreed. I have two. The oldest must be 8-10 years old.
> >
> > Plus they have a 2 year "no questions asked" warranty.
> >
> > JP
>
> I went to Sears' web site and looked at a number of their corded drills.
> The more expensive Craftsman drills carry a one year warranty. With the
> cheaper Craftsman drills the warranty isn't stated. Of the number of
> Craftsman drills I looked at I didn't find one with a two year warranty.
>
> --
> Jack Novak
By going to their website you asked them a question, so the
"No questions asked warranty" is null and void for unit Jack
Novak
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OK,
Here's my experience with drills, FWIW, in order of acquisition. (sp?)
1. Black & Decker single speed 3/8" corded-gift-about 30 years old, still
fine but never did use it much since I was 13 at the time.
2. Craftsman brace with Irwin expansive bit, cordless :?)-gift-about 30
years old, very nice brace, lousy bit.
3. Craftsman 3/8" vsr corded-about $30.00-bought about 1987, bearings
(sorry, bushings) went bad about 2 years later from normal homeowner use,
will never buy another corded one from them. My FIL had the same drill, went
bad the same way in about 3 years.
4. Black & Decker 7.2 volt cordless with built in batteries-gift-about
1987ish from Builders Square ( the original BORG, I was hardware manager,
ask me about that some other time)-this thing worked well for 4 or 5 years,
FIL had same drill, same time, same experience.
5. Dewalt DW100 (I think) corded 3/8" vsr-about $40.00-bought when the
Craftsman puked about 1989-this thing is great, powerful, bright yellow (I
can find it when I pick up my stuff outside when it gets dark, I left the
black Craftsman out one night), very nice chuck (needs a key, the DW106 has
a keyless, I think, it wasn't available when I got mine, now I'm glad it
wasn't, the keyless chucks I've seen are not as heavy duty)
6. Panasonic 9.6v 1/2" 2 speed vsr cordless with one battery, 15 minute
charger, nice hard case-about $165.00-1993-I replaced the keyed chuck with a
keyless 3/8 one for convience (only one in the store I was in at the time
that would fit)-very, very high quality piece of equipment, I still use it a
lot, but the batteries don't hold the charge very long anymore.
7. Craftsman 18v 3/8" 2 speed vsr cordless in a kit with a cordless circ.
saw with two batteries, in an enormous, awkward hard case that has no spot
for keeping a set of bits or driver attachments-$140.00-about 5 months ago.
I should have taken this back, they're very handy tools but the drill is not
going to last like the Panasonic. I can hold the Panasonic still under full
throttle with no effect to the tool, when I did this to the Craftsman, the
thing started to smoke out of the vents. I did this only to find out how
torquey it was. Lots of torque, but...
My verdict: DeWalt for a corded drill for home owner use. Not a Craftsman
for a cordless, but I think my twist test will cause the same effect in most
other less expensive cordless drills, no conclusion here.
Thank you for your time,
Steve
"Zeke Redner" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
>
> Hi. I am lookin for a quality, cheap drill. Any suggestions? Where can I
> order one from the web?
>
> Zeke
>
When's the last time you purchased a quality made product cheaply......and
where?
"Zeke Redner" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
>
> Hi. I am lookin for a quality, cheap drill. Any suggestions? Where can I
> order one from the web?
>
> Zeke
>
"CW" <[email protected]> wrote
> Evryone wants something for nothing. Join the crowd.
I never said that I wanted it for free. I suppose I should have stated that
I would like to find a low priced drill that will hold up. The thing is
that I want to buy it NEW online not from an auction. This will be a gift.
Zeke
Jay Pique <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 21:33:08 GMT, "Mark Jerde"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>David Babcock wrote:
>>> For all the cries of Crapsman and all that, you can't really go wrong
>>> by getting an inexpensive drill from Sears.
>>
>>Agreed. I have two. The oldest must be 8-10 years old.
>
> Plus they have a 2 year "no questions asked" warranty.
>
> JP
>
I have heard mixed reviews about Craftsman.
Zeke
Lance Spaulding <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> http://www.homier.com/default.asp?page=itemdetail.asp?i=02486
Perfect! But does it come with the bits in the picture? Obviously it
should, but the list does not mention it.
Zeke
buy a clean used milwaukee or bosch.
Bridger
On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 05:51:14 GMT, Zeke Redner <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>Hi. I am lookin for a quality, cheap drill. Any suggestions? Where can I
>order one from the web?
>
>Zeke
On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 21:33:08 GMT, "Mark Jerde"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>David Babcock wrote:
>> For all the cries of Crapsman and all that, you can't really go wrong
>> by getting an inexpensive drill from Sears.
>
>Agreed. I have two. The oldest must be 8-10 years old.
Plus they have a 2 year "no questions asked" warranty.
JP
For all the cries of Crapsman and all that, you can't really go wrong by
getting an inexpensive drill from Sears. They also offer a number of other
manufacturers products.
Dave
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>
>
> Hi. I am lookin for a quality, cheap drill. Any suggestions? Where can I
> order one from the web?
>
> Zeke
>
Bob S. wrote:
> When's the last time you purchased a quality made product cheaply......and
> where?
>
From the back of a van in a parking lot, and the seller kept looking
over his shoulder.
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Mark
N.E. Ohio
Never argue with a fool, a bystander can't tell you apart. (S. Clemens,
A.K.A. Mark Twain)
When in doubt hit the throttle. It may not help but it sure ends the
suspense. (Gaz, r.moto)
"Bob S." <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> When's the last time you purchased a quality made product cheaply......and
> where?
>
I bought a Porter Cable 12v drill kit at the Sam's Club here in
Houston for $89. It has 330 in/lbs of torque, 2 Amp-hr batteries (2),
a 1 hr charger, and a bonus 3.6v screwdriver. It's a very sweet deal
if you can find it...I checked the Sam's last week in Ohio while on
vacation, and they didn't have it.
Lowe's sells the Hitachi 14.4v kit for $89, which I hear is a great
bargain. My father had a 9.6v Hitachi for several years, and he loves
it.
Tom
In article <NpzCb.535857$Fm2.511363@attbi_s04>,
> 1. Black & Decker single speed 3/8" corded-gift-about 30 years old, still
> fine but never did use it much since I was 13 at the time.
Yeah, I had one of those (mine was the VSR flavor). The one with the
detachable cord? I used to love it because taking the cord off meant it
fit into my toolbox. Back from the days when B&D still made quality
products.
It got swiped a couple of years ago. Really annoyed me. Not so much
because it was any great monetary value (I replaced it for $30), but
because it was one of the first tools I ever owned and I'd had it for
most of my life. It was part of my history, I guess. Somewhere out
there is some guy from a contactor's gang who's got it now. If you're
reading this, I hope you're enjoying it.
[email protected] (GTO69RA4) wrote:
> >Hi. I am lookin for a quality, cheap drill. Any suggestions? Where can I
> >order one from the web?
Quality and cheap don't often go together :-)
That being said, the last drill I bought was a Skill 3/8" VSR corded
drill for $30. I'm sure it's not finest piece of drilling machinery
ever devised by man, but it works fine for utility use in the shop and
for $30 how can you complain?
On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 05:51:14 GMT, Zeke Redner <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>Hi. I am lookin for a quality, cheap drill. Any suggestions? Where can I
>order one from the web?
>
>Zeke
www.google.com
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