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"Lew Hodgett"

01/07/2012 7:07 PM

O/T: Paper Or Plastic

"Paper or plastic"?

A question that is being asked less and less these days here in SoCal.

More and more cities here in SoCal are implementing a policy of no
more single use plastic bags to carry home your purchases from retail
stores.

Single use paper bags are available for $0.10 each or reusable bags
may be purchased for $1.00.

Why all the fuss?

An attempt to keep an estimated 1 billion used plastic bags discarded
after use every year out of the ocean.

BTW, it's working.

Lew




This topic has 22 replies

Du

Dave

in reply to "Lew Hodgett" on 01/07/2012 7:07 PM

02/07/2012 9:25 AM

On Mon, 02 Jul 2012 07:25:29 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>You Have to pay extra for the single use packaging to carry your
>purchased home???

Toronto city council just recently ended the .05 charge for plastic
bags. But, in their wisdom, they didn't stop there. As of 2013, the
use of all plastic bags will be ended.

I'm going to have to stock up on several hundred of them before that
since I use them for tossing used cat litter.

Hh

"HeyBub"

in reply to "Lew Hodgett" on 01/07/2012 7:07 PM

04/07/2012 6:39 AM

Dave wrote:
> On Tue, 3 Jul 2012 21:05:09 -0500, "HeyBub" <[email protected]>
>> Cats. Guns. Those that like them are not usually satisfied with just
>> one.
>
> You can add women to that list. One is nice, two or three is much
> better ~ until it costs you to get them out of your life. Guess then
> it crosses your mind about using one of those many guns you have. :)

Instead of getting married, one wag suggested just finding a woman you can't
stand and giving her half your shit.

kk

in reply to "Lew Hodgett" on 01/07/2012 7:07 PM

03/07/2012 10:24 PM

On Tue, 03 Jul 2012 22:17:30 -0400, Dave <[email protected]> wrote:

>On Tue, 3 Jul 2012 21:05:09 -0500, "HeyBub" <[email protected]>
>>Cats. Guns. Those that like them are not usually satisfied with just one.
>
>You can add women to that list. One is nice, two or three is much
>better ~ until it costs you to get them out of your life. Guess then
>it crosses your mind about using one of those many guns you have. :)

People pay good money for used guns. The more you have the more you can get
paid. Old ones can even bring good money.

MM

"Mike Marlow"

in reply to "Lew Hodgett" on 01/07/2012 7:07 PM

02/07/2012 11:46 AM

FrozenNorth wrote:

> Us too, although usually the cat litter leaves in the same bag it
> came in.

How in the heck do you do that? I'm imagining you lifting the cat's tail,
and after that I just go blank...

--

-Mike-
[email protected]

JG

"John Grossbohlin"

in reply to "Lew Hodgett" on 01/07/2012 7:07 PM

01/07/2012 10:27 PM


"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Paper or plastic"?
>
> A question that is being asked less and less these days here in SoCal.
>
> More and more cities here in SoCal are implementing a policy of no more
> single use plastic bags to carry home your purchases from retail stores.
>
> Single use paper bags are available for $0.10 each or reusable bags may be
> purchased for $1.00.
>
> Why all the fuss?
>
> An attempt to keep an estimated 1 billion used plastic bags discarded
> after use every year out of the ocean.
>
> BTW, it's working.

It's also providing work for loggers, truckers, and mill workers who make
paper bags out of renewable trees!

John

Du

Dave

in reply to "Lew Hodgett" on 01/07/2012 7:07 PM

02/07/2012 6:58 PM

On Mon, 02 Jul 2012 13:07:34 -0400, FrozenNorth
>Five cats, we/or rather they must go through it faster.

Closet masochist are you? I've got just one and she's hard to handle
all by herself. It's true. Dogs have masters, cats have servants.

Hh

"HeyBub"

in reply to "Lew Hodgett" on 01/07/2012 7:07 PM

03/07/2012 9:05 PM

Dave wrote:
> On Mon, 02 Jul 2012 13:07:34 -0400, FrozenNorth
>> Five cats, we/or rather they must go through it faster.
>
> Closet masochist are you? I've got just one and she's hard to handle
> all by herself. It's true. Dogs have masters, cats have servants.

There are more cats in the US than dogs, but more dog owners than cat
owners, just like there are almost as many guns in the U.S. as there are
people, but only one-third of the population are gun owners.

Cats. Guns. Those that like them are not usually satisfied with just one.

Hn

Han

in reply to "Lew Hodgett" on 01/07/2012 7:07 PM

02/07/2012 12:06 PM

Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> On Jul 1, 10:40 pm, Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Sun, 1 Jul 2012 19:07:56 -0700, "Lew Hodgett"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >"Paper or plastic"?
>>
>> >A question that is being asked less and less these days here in
>> >SoCal.
>>
>> >More and more cities here in SoCal are implementing a policy of no
>> >more single use plastic bags to carry  home your purchases from
>> >retail stores.
>>
>> >Single use paper bags are available for $0.10 each or reusable bags
>> >may be purchased for $1.00.
>>
>> >Why all the fuss?
>>
>> >An attempt to keep an estimated 1 billion used plastic bags
>> >discarded after use every year out of the ocean.
>>
>> >BTW, it's working.
>>
>> >Lew
>>
>> Environmentally, there is little difference between paper or plastic
>> based on multiple studies.  Reusable bags make the most sense and I
>> prefer them, personally.
>>
>> One step is behavior modification and education.  If you buy one item
>> already packaged, do you really need a bag at all?  If you are doing
>> the bagging in the store, fill the bags and not give the customer 12
>> bags for 14 items.
>>
>> When we get plastic bags, they get used one or two more times before
>> we toss them.  I take my lunch in them, bring home the empty
>> container, and they are used for small trash can liners.
>
> All those reusable functions and more. They make great pooperscoopers
> for my dogwalks as well. (Although we have 'boutique' poop bags
> dispensed from a Louis Vuitton Dispenser Du Poop Du Chien. From La
> Collection d'Arf.)

Another way is to collect plastic bags and reuse the plastic. That's
what is done here. All grocery stores have containers to collect
plastic bags. I hope (snicker) they do indeed bring them to a recycling
plant. But we use reusable bags as much as possible.


--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

DM

Doug Miller

in reply to "Lew Hodgett" on 01/07/2012 7:07 PM

03/07/2012 1:17 AM

Dave <[email protected]> wrote in news:9p94v7p3cem1fo09dp2smv1g3jvsea5dre@
4ax.com:

> On Mon, 02 Jul 2012 13:07:34 -0400, FrozenNorth
>>Five cats, we/or rather they must go through it faster.
>
> Closet masochist are you? I've got just one and she's hard to handle
> all by herself. It's true. Dogs have masters, cats have servants.
>
I've heard it put that dogs have family, cats have staff. :-)

Or:

The dog thinks: He feeds me, he loves me, he tends my every need -- he must be a god.
The cat thinks: He feeds me, he loves me, he tends my every need -- I must be a god.

Ll

Leon

in reply to "Lew Hodgett" on 01/07/2012 7:07 PM

02/07/2012 7:28 AM

On 7/2/2012 7:11 AM, HeyBub wrote:
> Lew Hodgett wrote:
>> "Paper or plastic"?
>>
>> A question that is being asked less and less these days here in SoCal.
>>
>> More and more cities here in SoCal are implementing a policy of no
>> more single use plastic bags to carry home your purchases from retail
>> stores.
>>
>> Single use paper bags are available for $0.10 each or reusable bags
>> may be purchased for $1.00.
>>
>
> Picky, picky.
>
> Every time I've been asked: "Paper or plastic?" I've responded with:
>
> "I don't care. I'm bisacksual."
>
>


I say both just to see the look on their face. ;~)

Ll

Leon

in reply to "Lew Hodgett" on 01/07/2012 7:07 PM

02/07/2012 7:25 AM

On 7/1/2012 9:07 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
> "Paper or plastic"?
>
> A question that is being asked less and less these days here in SoCal.
>
> More and more cities here in SoCal are implementing a policy of no
> more single use plastic bags to carry home your purchases from retail
> stores.
>
> Single use paper bags are available for $0.10 each or reusable bags
> may be purchased for $1.00.
>
> Why all the fuss?
>
> An attempt to keep an estimated 1 billion used plastic bags discarded
> after use every year out of the ocean.
>
> BTW, it's working.
>
> Lew
>
>
>
>


You Have to pay extra for the single use packaging to carry your
purchased home???

Do you have to pay extra for a receipt too.


In S. Tex we do not pay for that kind of stuff, use single use bags, and
I have not seen any of them in the ocean/gulf. That is working too!


Do you people in California not know how to dispose of your trash properly?


Du

Dave

in reply to "Lew Hodgett" on 01/07/2012 7:07 PM

03/07/2012 10:17 PM

On Tue, 3 Jul 2012 21:05:09 -0500, "HeyBub" <[email protected]>
>Cats. Guns. Those that like them are not usually satisfied with just one.

You can add women to that list. One is nice, two or three is much
better ~ until it costs you to get them out of your life. Guess then
it crosses your mind about using one of those many guns you have. :)

Rc

Robatoy

in reply to "Lew Hodgett" on 01/07/2012 7:07 PM

01/07/2012 9:07 PM

On Jul 1, 10:40=A0pm, Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Sun, 1 Jul 2012 19:07:56 -0700, "Lew Hodgett"
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >"Paper or plastic"?
>
> >A question that is being asked less and less these days here in SoCal.
>
> >More and more cities here in SoCal are implementing a policy of no
> >more single use plastic bags to carry =A0home your purchases from retail
> >stores.
>
> >Single use paper bags are available for $0.10 each or reusable bags
> >may be purchased for $1.00.
>
> >Why all the fuss?
>
> >An attempt to keep an estimated 1 billion used plastic bags discarded
> >after use every year out of the ocean.
>
> >BTW, it's working.
>
> >Lew
>
> Environmentally, there is little difference between paper or plastic
> based on multiple studies. =A0Reusable bags make the most sense and I
> prefer them, personally.
>
> One step is behavior modification and education. =A0If you buy one item
> already packaged, do you really need a bag at all? =A0If you are doing
> the bagging in the store, fill the bags and not give the customer 12
> bags for 14 items.
>
> When we get plastic bags, they get used one or two more times before
> we toss them. =A0I take my lunch in them, bring home the empty
> container, and they are used for small trash can liners.

All those reusable functions and more. They make great pooperscoopers
for my dogwalks as well. (Although we have 'boutique' poop bags
dispensed from a Louis Vuitton Dispenser Du Poop Du Chien. From La
Collection d'Arf.)

Ff

FrozenNorth

in reply to "Lew Hodgett" on 01/07/2012 7:07 PM

02/07/2012 10:50 AM

On 7/02/12 9:25 AM, Dave wrote:
> On Mon, 02 Jul 2012 07:25:29 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>> You Have to pay extra for the single use packaging to carry your
>> purchased home???
>
> Toronto city council just recently ended the .05 charge for plastic
> bags. But, in their wisdom, they didn't stop there. As of 2013, the
> use of all plastic bags will be ended.
>
> I'm going to have to stock up on several hundred of them before that
> since I use them for tossing used cat litter.
>
Us too, although usually the cat litter leaves in the same bag it came in.

--
Froz...


The system will be down for 10 days for preventive maintenance.

Ff

FrozenNorth

in reply to "Lew Hodgett" on 01/07/2012 7:07 PM

02/07/2012 1:07 PM

On 7/02/12 11:32 AM, Dave wrote:
> On Mon, 02 Jul 2012 10:50:55 -0400, FrozenNorth
>> Us too, although usually the cat litter leaves in the same bag it came in.
>
> I buy it in a 14kg plastic bucket which lasts several weeks. Wouldn't
> want to hold onto used cat litter for that long, smell would have the
> neighbours on the offensive.
>
Five cats, we/or rather they must go through it faster.

--
Froz...


The system will be down for 10 days for preventive maintenance.

LJ

Larry Jaques

in reply to "Lew Hodgett" on 01/07/2012 7:07 PM

02/07/2012 5:00 AM

On Sun, 1 Jul 2012 21:07:09 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Jul 1, 10:40 pm, Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Sun, 1 Jul 2012 19:07:56 -0700, "Lew Hodgett"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >"Paper or plastic"?
>>
>> >A question that is being asked less and less these days here in SoCal.
>>
>> >More and more cities here in SoCal are implementing a policy of no
>> >more single use plastic bags to carry  home your purchases from retail
>> >stores.
>>
>> >Single use paper bags are available for $0.10 each or reusable bags
>> >may be purchased for $1.00.
>>
>> >Why all the fuss?
>>
>> >An attempt to keep an estimated 1 billion used plastic bags discarded
>> >after use every year out of the ocean.
>>
>> >BTW, it's working.
>>
>> >Lew
>>
>> Environmentally, there is little difference between paper or plastic
>> based on multiple studies.  Reusable bags make the most sense and I
>> prefer them, personally.

I've been using canvas bags for 20 years now, and some are a dozen
years old and still usable. I keep them in the truck and take some
inside when I shop.


>> One step is behavior modification and education.  If you buy one item
>> already packaged, do you really need a bag at all?  If you are doing
>> the bagging in the store, fill the bags and not give the customer 12
>> bags for 14 items.
>>
>> When we get plastic bags, they get used one or two more times before
>> we toss them.  I take my lunch in them, bring home the empty
>> container, and they are used for small trash can liners.

Ditto.


>All those reusable functions and more. They make great pooperscoopers
>for my dogwalks as well. (Although we have 'boutique' poop bags
>dispensed from a Louis Vuitton Dispenser Du Poop Du Chien. From La
>Collection d'Arf.)

Does said Fifi get DKNY Manimal clothes and Nike Special Barker tenny
booties? I just love those on a dog. Tres chic! <gag>


--
If you're trying to take a roomful of people by
surprise, it's a lot easier to hit your targets
if you don't yell going through the door.
-- Lois McMaster Bujold

Du

Dave

in reply to "Lew Hodgett" on 01/07/2012 7:07 PM

04/07/2012 9:02 AM

On Wed, 4 Jul 2012 06:39:14 -0500, "HeyBub" <[email protected]>
>Instead of getting married, one wag suggested just finding a woman you can't
>stand and giving her half your shit.

And the idea is to go through all that pain an suffering just to get
it out of your system?

Du

Dave

in reply to "Lew Hodgett" on 01/07/2012 7:07 PM

02/07/2012 11:32 AM

On Mon, 02 Jul 2012 10:50:55 -0400, FrozenNorth
>Us too, although usually the cat litter leaves in the same bag it came in.

I buy it in a 14kg plastic bucket which lasts several weeks. Wouldn't
want to hold onto used cat litter for that long, smell would have the
neighbours on the offensive.

EP

Ed Pawlowski

in reply to "Lew Hodgett" on 01/07/2012 7:07 PM

01/07/2012 10:40 PM

On Sun, 1 Jul 2012 19:07:56 -0700, "Lew Hodgett"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>"Paper or plastic"?
>
>A question that is being asked less and less these days here in SoCal.
>
>More and more cities here in SoCal are implementing a policy of no
>more single use plastic bags to carry home your purchases from retail
>stores.
>
>Single use paper bags are available for $0.10 each or reusable bags
>may be purchased for $1.00.
>
>Why all the fuss?
>
>An attempt to keep an estimated 1 billion used plastic bags discarded
>after use every year out of the ocean.
>
>BTW, it's working.
>
>Lew

Environmentally, there is little difference between paper or plastic
based on multiple studies. Reusable bags make the most sense and I
prefer them, personally.

One step is behavior modification and education. If you buy one item
already packaged, do you really need a bag at all? If you are doing
the bagging in the store, fill the bags and not give the customer 12
bags for 14 items.

When we get plastic bags, they get used one or two more times before
we toss them. I take my lunch in them, bring home the empty
container, and they are used for small trash can liners.

LJ

Larry Jaques

in reply to "Lew Hodgett" on 01/07/2012 7:07 PM

02/07/2012 8:55 AM

On Mon, 02 Jul 2012 07:28:10 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:

>On 7/2/2012 7:11 AM, HeyBub wrote:
>> Lew Hodgett wrote:
>>> "Paper or plastic"?
>>>
>>> A question that is being asked less and less these days here in SoCal.
>>>
>>> More and more cities here in SoCal are implementing a policy of no
>>> more single use plastic bags to carry home your purchases from retail
>>> stores.
>>>
>>> Single use paper bags are available for $0.10 each or reusable bags
>>> may be purchased for $1.00.
>>>
>>
>> Picky, picky.
>>
>> Every time I've been asked: "Paper or plastic?" I've responded with:
>>
>> "I don't care. I'm bisacksual."
>>
>>
>
>
>I say both just to see the look on their face. ;~)

I put my canvas sacks in front of the groceries and have actually had
the clerks set the sack down to fill it, set the others behind them to
fill them later, and then ask me "Paper or Plastic?"

--
If you're trying to take a roomful of people by
surprise, it's a lot easier to hit your targets
if you don't yell going through the door.
-- Lois McMaster Bujold

Hh

"HeyBub"

in reply to "Lew Hodgett" on 01/07/2012 7:07 PM

02/07/2012 7:11 AM

Lew Hodgett wrote:
> "Paper or plastic"?
>
> A question that is being asked less and less these days here in SoCal.
>
> More and more cities here in SoCal are implementing a policy of no
> more single use plastic bags to carry home your purchases from retail
> stores.
>
> Single use paper bags are available for $0.10 each or reusable bags
> may be purchased for $1.00.
>

Picky, picky.

Every time I've been asked: "Paper or plastic?" I've responded with:

"I don't care. I'm bisacksual."

kk

in reply to "Lew Hodgett" on 01/07/2012 7:07 PM

03/07/2012 10:19 PM

On Tue, 3 Jul 2012 21:05:09 -0500, "HeyBub" <[email protected]> wrote:

>Dave wrote:
>> On Mon, 02 Jul 2012 13:07:34 -0400, FrozenNorth
>>> Five cats, we/or rather they must go through it faster.
>>
>> Closet masochist are you? I've got just one and she's hard to handle
>> all by herself. It's true. Dogs have masters, cats have servants.
>
>There are more cats in the US than dogs, but more dog owners than cat
>owners, just like there are almost as many guns in the U.S. as there are
>people, but only one-third of the population are gun owners.
>
>Cats. Guns. Those that like them are not usually satisfied with just one.
>
Hmm, four guns, two cats, zero dogs (now). Cats and guns can sleep at home
while we're gone for the weekend. Dogs get cranky.


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