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I need to put in some holes for shelf pins. This has been a source of
frustration over the years. I have manually laid them out with what I would
rate a ³C-² success for accuracy of being on the same plane. I have just
bought and used a ³JIGIT² drill jig from Rockler really not a GREAT
improvement. What is the experience that you folks have drilling these
holes??? Any tricks, techniques or products would be appreciated. Also, I
find the pin / sleeve hardware available varies too much to get a consistent
fit regarding sloppiness of fit.
Thank You in advance for your help / suggestions.
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would rate a "C-" success for accuracy of being on the same plane. I =
have just bought and used a "JIGIT" drill jig from Rockler - really not =
a GREAT improvement. What is the experience that you folks have drilling =
these holes??? Any tricks, techniques or products would be appreciated. =
Also, I find the pin / sleeve hardware available varies too much to get =
a consistent fit regarding sloppiness of fit.
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Joe Shea
[email protected]
Have you tried using pegboard for a jig? The price is right.
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Joe Shea asks:
>I need to put in some holes for shelf pins. This has been a source of
>frustration over the years. I have manually laid them out with what I would
>rate a ³C-² success for accuracy of being on the same plane. I have just
>bought and used a ³JIGIT² drill jig from Rockler really not a GREAT
>improvement. What is the experience that you folks have drilling these
>holes??? Any tricks, techniques or products would be appreciated. Also, I
>find the pin / sleeve hardware available varies too much to get a consistent
>fit regarding sloppiness of fit.
>
Havew you tried the Veritas jig from Lee Valley?
It is a long ways from cheap ($198), but should solve your problems for an
awfully long time.
Charlie Self
"There are two ways of exerting one's strength: one is pushing down, the other
is pulling up." Booker T. Washington
On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 14:18:40 GMT, "Joseph E. Shea, Jr."
<[email protected]> wrote:
>I need to put in some holes for shelf pins. This has been a source of
>frustration over the years. I have manually laid them out with what I would
>rate a ³C-² success for accuracy of being on the same plane. I have just
>bought and used a ³JIGIT² drill jig from Rockler really not a GREAT
>improvement. What is the experience that you folks have drilling these
>holes??? Any tricks, techniques or products would be appreciated. Also, I
>find the pin / sleeve hardware available varies too much to get a consistent
>fit regarding sloppiness of fit.
>
>Thank You in advance for your help / suggestions.
I lined up my bench dog holes with a larger version of the classic
shelf peg jig...
If you can do the 1st 2 holes well, the "pegs in a stick" works very
well... just have 2 dowels in the end of the board that fit inline
holes, and a hole in the board where the next hole goes..
JIGIT SHELF HOLE JIG ??Router, collar, spiral bit, just like Norm. Make
your own plywood jigs at your drillpress by boring a hole with a Forstner
the size of your collar, put a dowl in it, move substrate "X" distance right
or left, and clamp a fence to it. Put your jig ply down, bore a hole, move
it to the dowel for interval, repeat.
"Joseph E. Shea, Jr." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:BD955480.41A7%[email protected]...
I need to put in some holes for shelf pins. This has been a source of
frustration over the years. I have manually laid them out with what I would
rate a "C-" success for accuracy of being on the same plane. I have just
bought and used a "JIGIT" drill jig from Rockler - really not a GREAT
improvement. What is the experience that you folks have drilling these
holes??? Any tricks, techniques or products would be appreciated. Also, I
find the pin / sleeve hardware available varies too much to get a consistent
fit regarding sloppiness of fit.
Thank You in advance for your help / suggestions.
--
Best Regards,
Joe Shea
[email protected]
Read my post above, and bore with confidence!
"Pat Barber" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Router Magic is by Bill Hylton and the jig in that book
> is easy in the pictures and little different in reality.
>
> This "simple" jig requires that you drill a series of
> holes that "exactly" the same distance apart. This is
> not a "trival" task and is "almost" impossible using
> a drill press and a few marks on a piece of plywood.
>
> If the holes aren't "exactly" the same distance apart,
> when you "flip sides", the series of holes will NOT
> match exactly which results in a "rocking shelf".
>
> In my opinion, if you don't buy a CNC produced version,
> you are working at a disadvantage.
>
>
> WoodChuck34 wrote:
>
> > Joe have to agree with George. "Router Magic" by Pat Spielman has a
> > great jig that you can make with workshop scrap. Perfect results,
> > everytime.
> >
> > Chuck
>
> Havew you tried the Veritas jig from Lee Valley?
>
> It is a long ways from cheap ($198), but should solve your problems for an
> awfully long time.
> Charlie Self
Not as fast as using the router, but it works fine and is accurate.
Here's my review of the Lee Valley Shelf Drilling Jig:
http://www.onlinetoolreviews.com/reviews/veritasshelfdrillingjig.htm
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True enough on the base plate...
WoodChuck34 wrote:
> On this point you are wrong, becuase Hylton suggest making a simple
> baseplate for your router with a dowel inserted into the bottom that
> is offset by the distance between the holes for the shelf pin. Simply
> drill the first hole and plunge bore the remaining holes the exact
> distance from each other.
>
> Chuck
On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 19:50:43 GMT, Pat Barber
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Typically you align from the center point of the side
>not the bottom... Starting from the bottom will only
>work if you had a mirror image of the jig for the
>opposing side.
Not if the jig was just a board with a lip on the end- then you could
just slide it over.
You could also make a big jig for the drill press with a fence and
blocks on either end that you could move one at a time, sort of like
the Woodsmith fluting jig.
>My "exact distance apart" still stands.
>
>
>Wayne Whitney wrote:
>
>
>>
>> Maybe I'm missing something, but if you always align one end of your
>> jig with the bottom end of the side, it seems like all the
>> corresponding holes would be vertically aligned, and it would not
>> matter if the inter-hole spacing varied.
>>
>> Cheers, Wayne
>>
Pat,
> Router Magic is by Bill Hylton and the jig in that book
> is easy in the pictures and little different in reality...
You are right. Thanks for reminding me. I don't know why I always
confuse those two.
> This "simple" jig requires that you drill a series of
> holes that "exactly" the same distance apart. This is
> not a "trival" task and is "almost" impossible using
> a drill press and a few marks on a piece of plywood...
On this point you are wrong, becuase Hylton suggest making a simple
baseplate for your router with a dowel inserted into the bottom that
is offset by the distance between the holes for the shelf pin. Simply
drill the first hole and plunge bore the remaining holes the exact
distance from each other.
Chuck
"Woodcrafter" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Not as fast as using the router, but it works fine and is accurate.
> Here's my review of the Lee Valley Shelf Drilling Jig:
> http://www.onlinetoolreviews.com/reviews/veritasshelfdrillingjig.htm
>
You should try out the Rockler jig, the one that OP is having trouble using.
http://www.rockler.com/ecom7/product_details.cfm?&offerings_id=893&objectgroup_id=45&catid=15&filter=ahelcing%20hole%20jig
I have been using this jig for about 8 years with great success. It is
quick and gives great results. However you must use the special bit that is
sold separately for great results. I think you will find it many times
faster than using the router jig and less tiring. After drilling the first
hole you use a shelf pin to index the jig for long runs. About $45.00.
Get the real thing and quit making yourself crazy...
http://www.megproducts.com/basic-bore32.html
Joseph E. Shea, Jr. wrote:
> I need to put in some holes for shelf pins. This has been a source of
> frustration over the years. I have manually laid them out with what I would
> rate a ³C-² success for accuracy of being on the same plane. I have just
> bought and used a ³JIGIT² drill jig from Rockler really not a GREAT
> improvement. What is the experience that you folks have drilling these
> holes??? Any tricks, techniques or products would be appreciated. Also, I
> find the pin / sleeve hardware available varies too much to get a consistent
> fit regarding sloppiness of fit.
>
> Thank You in advance for your help / suggestions.
Router Magic is by Bill Hylton and the jig in that book
is easy in the pictures and little different in reality.
This "simple" jig requires that you drill a series of
holes that "exactly" the same distance apart. This is
not a "trival" task and is "almost" impossible using
a drill press and a few marks on a piece of plywood.
If the holes aren't "exactly" the same distance apart,
when you "flip sides", the series of holes will NOT
match exactly which results in a "rocking shelf".
In my opinion, if you don't buy a CNC produced version,
you are working at a disadvantage.
WoodChuck34 wrote:
> Joe have to agree with George. "Router Magic" by Pat Spielman has a
> great jig that you can make with workshop scrap. Perfect results,
> everytime.
>
> Chuck
Typically you align from the center point of the side
not the bottom... Starting from the bottom will only
work if you had a mirror image of the jig for the
opposing side.
My "exact distance apart" still stands.
Wayne Whitney wrote:
>
> Maybe I'm missing something, but if you always align one end of your
> jig with the bottom end of the side, it seems like all the
> corresponding holes would be vertically aligned, and it would not
> matter if the inter-hole spacing varied.
>
> Cheers, Wayne
>
On 2004-10-15, Pat Barber <[email protected]> wrote:
> If the holes aren't "exactly" the same distance apart, when you
> "flip sides", the series of holes will NOT match exactly which
> results in a "rocking shelf".
Maybe I'm missing something, but if you always align one end of your
jig with the bottom end of the side, it seems like all the
corresponding holes would be vertically aligned, and it would not
matter if the inter-hole spacing varied.
Cheers, Wayne
On 2004-10-15, Pat Barber <[email protected]> wrote:
> Typically you align from the center point of the side not the
> bottom... Starting from the bottom will only work if you had a
> mirror image of the jig for the opposing side.
Hmm, the sort of simple jig I'm thinking of is just a length of
(ply)wood with holes drilled in it, so you could use either face up.
For the opposing side, just use the other face.
Anyway, I'm about to try doing this, so I hope it works!
Cheers, Wayne
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the Special vix type bit that is supposed to be used with the jig? I =
have this set up and it beats the pants off any thing that I have tried. =
The special bit to be use with this set up uses a clean cutting brad =
point bit.
"Joseph E. Shea, Jr." <[email protected]> wrote in message =
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I need to put in some holes for shelf pins. This has been a source of =
frustration over the years. I have manually laid them out with what I =
would rate a "C-" success for accuracy of being on the same plane. I =
have just bought and used a "JIGIT" drill jig from Rockler - really not =
a GREAT improvement. What is the experience that you folks have drilling =
these holes??? Any tricks, techniques or products would be appreciated. =
Also, I find the pin / sleeve hardware available varies too much to get =
a consistent fit regarding sloppiness of fit.
Thank You in advance for your help / suggestions. =20
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Best Regards,
Joe Shea
[email protected]
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