The glue-up of the curved, corner section of a 1 1/2" thick desk wall
(laminate of two, 3/4" thick, birch plywood sections):
https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/OngoingShopProjects
Weldwood "Plastic Resin" glue; applied in early AM temperatures (78
degrees in shop at 6AM, 100 degrees at 3PM); clamp time 24 hours.
As always in these cases, the glue-up was the easy part ... the damn jig
was a separate project in itself!
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On Sat, 17 Sep 2011 08:51:30 -0500, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>And, it's why I have the tools to do the job. :)
Admittedly, there's always a lot more satisfaction in doing it
yourself. Not always cheaper when you add the labour, but self
satisfaction has a lot going for itself.
On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 10:33:08 -0500, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Did you make your own bendyboard? Looks all pro to me. NICE!
>Yep ... 1/8" x 9/16" kerfs, 3/8" apart. Bunches of them.
And the question is: What did you cut the kerfs with? Tablesaw,
Festool saw, something else? Did you consider using wigglewood at all?
>As always in these cases, the glue-up was the easy part ... the damn jig
>was a separate project in itself
A jig for the clamping, jig for the kerfs, or both?
On Sep 16, 11:46=A0pm, "Ed Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
> > The glue-up of the curved, corner section of a 1 1/2" thick desk wall
> > (laminate of two, 3/4" thick, birch plywood sections):
>
> >https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/OngoingShopProjects
>
> > Weldwood "Plastic Resin" glue; applied in early AM temperatures (78
> > degrees in shop at 6AM, 100 degrees at 3PM); clamp time 24 hours.
>
> > As always in these cases, the glue-up was the easy part ... the damn ji=
g
> > was a separate project in itself!
>
> The glue up look easy enough, but getting 15 well trained and synchronize=
d
> people to do the clamping must have taken some time.
Just a few brads?
"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> The glue-up of the curved, corner section of a 1 1/2" thick desk wall
> (laminate of two, 3/4" thick, birch plywood sections):
>
> https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/OngoingShopProjects
>
> Weldwood "Plastic Resin" glue; applied in early AM temperatures (78
> degrees in shop at 6AM, 100 degrees at 3PM); clamp time 24 hours.
>
> As always in these cases, the glue-up was the easy part ... the damn jig
> was a separate project in itself!
>
Did you use enough clamps? ;) Time to buy more clamps!
Looks good. That curved corner section is a nice design touch.
"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On 9/16/2011 10:28 AM, Robatoy wrote:
>> On Sep 16, 10:13 am, Swingman<[email protected]> wrote:
>>> The glue-up of the curved, corner section of a 1 1/2" thick desk wall
>>> (laminate of two, 3/4" thick, birch plywood sections):
>>>
>>> https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/OngoingShopProjects
>
>>
>> Did you make your own bendyboard? Looks all pro to me. NICE!
>
>
> Yep ... 1/8" x 9/16" kerfs, 3/8" apart. Bunches of them.
>
Yep, good ole bendy boards. I had to make a bunch of them on a number of
projects.
One memorable project was building some "moon benches". These are an old
piece of exercise equipment used by old vaudeville strongmen and other kinds
of folks from over a hundred years ago. Long benches up to several feet
long in a hemisphere shape. And they had to be strong. So I had to layer
two or three of the bendy boards. Did not have to finish them though. the
got covered up in upholstery.
That was an interesting project. The "bendyboard" remark brought back a
flood of memories. Am I getting old? :(
"Larry Jaques" wrote
>
> Are you sure you weren't remembering bundling boards?
> http://goo.gl/xCD9F Oops, that's not it.
>
> I meant joggling boards. Yeah, that's it.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joggling_board
> http://goo.gl/7rBd1
>
I found an old photo of a moon bench. I made a bunch of them and a couple
of the half moon bench further down the page.
<http://soloflexforever.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=154>
"Swingman" wrote:
> The glue-up of the curved, corner section of a 1 1/2" thick desk
> wall (laminate of two, 3/4" thick, birch plywood sections):
>
> https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/OngoingShopProjects
>
> Weldwood "Plastic Resin" glue; applied in early AM temperatures (78
> degrees in shop at 6AM, 100 degrees at 3PM); clamp time 24 hours.
>
> As always in these cases, the glue-up was the easy part ... the damn
> jig was a separate project in itself!
-----------------------------------
Any reason you chose to kerf rather than using bending ply?
Lew
On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 12:32:01 -0400, "Lee Michaels"
<leemichaels*nadaspam* at comcast dot net> wrote:
>
>
>"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On 9/16/2011 10:28 AM, Robatoy wrote:
>>> On Sep 16, 10:13 am, Swingman<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> The glue-up of the curved, corner section of a 1 1/2" thick desk wall
>>>> (laminate of two, 3/4" thick, birch plywood sections):
>>>>
>>>> https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/OngoingShopProjects
>>
>>>
>>> Did you make your own bendyboard? Looks all pro to me. NICE!
>>
>>
>> Yep ... 1/8" x 9/16" kerfs, 3/8" apart. Bunches of them.
>>
>Yep, good ole bendy boards. I had to make a bunch of them on a number of
>projects.
>
>One memorable project was building some "moon benches". These are an old
>piece of exercise equipment used by old vaudeville strongmen and other kinds
>of folks from over a hundred years ago. Long benches up to several feet
>long in a hemisphere shape. And they had to be strong. So I had to layer
>two or three of the bendy boards. Did not have to finish them though. the
>got covered up in upholstery.
>
>That was an interesting project. The "bendyboard" remark brought back a
>flood of memories. Am I getting old? :(
Are you sure you weren't remembering bundling boards?
http://goo.gl/xCD9F Oops, that's not it.
I meant joggling boards. Yeah, that's it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joggling_board
http://goo.gl/7rBd1
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tribunal for every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the
existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of
the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear.
-- Thomas Jefferson
On 9/16/2011 5:43 PM, Dave wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 10:33:08 -0500, Swingman<[email protected]> wrote:
>>> Did you make your own bendyboard? Looks all pro to me. NICE!
>
>> Yep ... 1/8" x 9/16" kerfs, 3/8" apart. Bunches of them.
>
> And the question is: What did you cut the kerfs with? Tablesaw,
> Festool saw, something else? Did you consider using wigglewood at all?
Table saw.
>> As always in these cases, the glue-up was the easy part ... the damn jig
>> was a separate project in itself
>
> A jig for the clamping, jig for the kerfs, or both?
Clamping.
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On 9/16/2011 10:46 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> The glue up look easy enough, but getting 15 well trained and
> synchronized people to do the clamping must have taken some time.
If enough male and female woodworkers pollinate it wouldn't be long
before their offspring had extra hands.
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On 9/16/2011 11:03 PM, Robatoy wrote:
> On Sep 16, 11:46 pm, "Ed Pawlowski" wrote:
>> The glue up look easy enough, but getting 15 well trained and synchronized
>> people to do the clamping must have taken some time.
>
> Just a few brads?
Brads don't hold well in kerfed plywood. :)
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On 9/16/2011 7:28 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
> "Swingman" wrote:
>
>> The glue-up of the curved, corner section of a 1 1/2" thick desk
>> wall (laminate of two, 3/4" thick, birch plywood sections):
>>
>> https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/OngoingShopProjects
>>
>> Weldwood "Plastic Resin" glue; applied in early AM temperatures (78
>> degrees in shop at 6AM, 100 degrees at 3PM); clamp time 24 hours.
>>
>> As always in these cases, the glue-up was the easy part ... the damn
>> jig was a separate project in itself!
> -----------------------------------
>
> Any reason you chose to kerf rather than using bending ply?
*Availability, time, money, no shipping, design (they don't work well in
freestanding applications IME ... ie, work better when applied to a
frame/structure)
*All these types of bendable sheet goods look great on the Internet, but
just try to find someone that carries them locally and has them "in
stock", even in one of the largest urban areas in the country. If you do
find it, it is always 3/8" and any other size must be "$pecial order".
And, it's why I have the tools to do the job. :)
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On 9/16/2011 10:28 AM, Robatoy wrote:
> On Sep 16, 10:13 am, Swingman<[email protected]> wrote:
>> The glue-up of the curved, corner section of a 1 1/2" thick desk wall
>> (laminate of two, 3/4" thick, birch plywood sections):
>>
>> https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/OngoingShopProjects
>
> Did you make your own bendyboard? Looks all pro to me. NICE!
Yep ... 1/8" x 9/16" kerfs, 3/8" apart. Bunches of them.
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On 9/16/2011 12:04 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 09:13:57 -0500, Swingman<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> The glue-up of the curved, corner section of a 1 1/2" thick desk wall
>> (laminate of two, 3/4" thick, birch plywood sections):
>>
>> https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/OngoingShopProjects
>>
>> Weldwood "Plastic Resin" glue; applied in early AM temperatures (78
>> degrees in shop at 6AM, 100 degrees at 3PM); clamp time 24 hours.
>>
>> As always in these cases, the glue-up was the easy part ... the damn jig
>> was a separate project in itself!
>
> Interesting. Is that method cheaper than buying bendy ply and
> laminating it? http://goo.gl/P4BFB
>
> Um, what do you charge the client for the 400 extra kerf cuts
> (SWAG: 100 slots, 4 passes each), or is that included in the overall
> price? That has to be a $5k+ desk set, eh?
Since you asked:
It was a "change order". When she asked on requesting the change what it
would cost to make the corner a curve instead of square, my response:
"Somewhere in the $500 to $750 range extra to incorporate the curve, NOT
including materials."
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On 9/16/2011 11:25 AM, Lee Michaels wrote:
>
>
> "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> The glue-up of the curved, corner section of a 1 1/2" thick desk wall
>> (laminate of two, 3/4" thick, birch plywood sections):
>>
>> https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/OngoingShopProjects
>>
>> Weldwood "Plastic Resin" glue; applied in early AM temperatures (78
>> degrees in shop at 6AM, 100 degrees at 3PM); clamp time 24 hours.
>>
>> As always in these cases, the glue-up was the easy part ... the damn
>> jig was a separate project in itself!
>>
> Did you use enough clamps? ;) Time to buy more clamps!
Had one left of that type ...
>
> Looks good. That curved corner section is a nice design touch.
Thanks, Lee ...
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"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> The glue-up of the curved, corner section of a 1 1/2" thick desk wall
> (laminate of two, 3/4" thick, birch plywood sections):
>
> https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/OngoingShopProjects
>
> Weldwood "Plastic Resin" glue; applied in early AM temperatures (78
> degrees in shop at 6AM, 100 degrees at 3PM); clamp time 24 hours.
>
> As always in these cases, the glue-up was the easy part ... the damn jig
> was a separate project in itself!
>
The glue up look easy enough, but getting 15 well trained and synchronized
people to do the clamping must have taken some time.
On Sep 16, 10:13=A0am, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> The glue-up of the curved, corner section of a 1 1/2" thick desk wall
> (laminate of two, 3/4" thick, birch plywood sections):
>
> https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/OngoingShopProjects
>
> Weldwood "Plastic Resin" glue; applied in early AM temperatures (78
> degrees in shop at 6AM, 100 degrees at 3PM); clamp time 24 hours.
>
> As always in these cases, the glue-up was the easy part ... the damn jig
> was a separate project in itself!
>
> --www.e-woodshop.net
> Last update: 4/15/2010
> KarlC@ (the obvious)http://gplus.to/ewoodshop
Did you make your own bendyboard? Looks all pro to me. NICE!
Hey Swingman, nice work, but what kind of band clamps are those?
I haven't seen them.
On 9/16/2011 10:13 AM, Swingman wrote:
> The glue-up of the curved, corner section of a 1 1/2" thick desk wall
> (laminate of two, 3/4" thick, birch plywood sections):
>
> https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/OngoingShopProjects
>
> Weldwood "Plastic Resin" glue; applied in early AM temperatures (78
> degrees in shop at 6AM, 100 degrees at 3PM); clamp time 24 hours.
>
> As always in these cases, the glue-up was the easy part ... the damn jig
> was a separate project in itself!
>
On 9/16/2011 9:13 AM, Swingman wrote:
> The glue-up of the curved, corner section of a 1 1/2" thick desk wall
> (laminate of two, 3/4" thick, birch plywood sections):
>
> https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/OngoingShopProjects
>
> Weldwood "Plastic Resin" glue; applied in early AM temperatures (78
> degrees in shop at 6AM, 100 degrees at 3PM); clamp time 24 hours.
>
> As always in these cases, the glue-up was the easy part ... the damn jig
> was a separate project in itself!
>
Looks Terrific! Good Execution and good choice on the old school
WeldWood glue. Letme know If I can help with any thing, lifting,
moving, delivery....
On Sep 17, 9:55=A0am, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 9/16/2011 11:03 PM, Robatoy wrote:
>
> > On Sep 16, 11:46 pm, "Ed Pawlowski" wrote:
> >> The glue up look easy enough, but getting 15 well trained and synchron=
ized
> >> people to do the clamping must have taken some time.
>
> > Just a few brads?
>
> Brads don't hold well in kerfed plywood. =A0:)
>
> --www.e-woodshop.net
> Last update: 4/15/2010
> KarlC@ (the obvious)http://gplus.to/ewoodshop
Not even till the glue dries? <G>
On Sep 16, 1:21=A0pm, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 9/16/2011 12:04 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 09:13:57 -0500, Swingman<[email protected]> =A0wrote:
>
> >> The glue-up of the curved, corner section of a 1 1/2" thick desk wall
> >> (laminate of two, 3/4" thick, birch plywood sections):
>
> >>https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/OngoingShopProjects
>
> >> Weldwood "Plastic Resin" glue; applied in early AM temperatures (78
> >> degrees in shop at 6AM, 100 degrees at 3PM); clamp time 24 hours.
>
> >> As always in these cases, the glue-up was the easy part ... the damn j=
ig
> >> was a separate project in itself!
>
> > Interesting. =A0Is that method cheaper than buying bendy ply and
> > laminating it? =A0http://goo.gl/P4BFB
>
> > Um, what do you charge the client for the 400 extra kerf cuts
> > (SWAG: 100 slots, 4 passes each), or is that included in the overall
> > price? =A0That has to be a $5k+ desk set, eh?
>
> Since you asked:
>
> It was a "change order". When she asked on requesting the change what it
> would cost to make the corner a curve instead of square, my response:
> "Somewhere in the $500 to $750 range extra to incorporate the curve, NOT
> including materials."
>
Those numbers fit in my line of thinking. After all, no serious
increase in materials...all money. I like making an honest buck.
Getting paid for the skilzz.
On 9/16/2011 5:29 PM, tiredofspam wrote:
> Hey Swingman, nice work, but what kind of band clamps are those?
> I haven't seen them.
Ratcheting Band Clamps ... Rockler has them, but they've gotten
expensive the past few years. I paid just North of $30/each a few years
back and they're now $50.
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On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 09:13:57 -0500, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>The glue-up of the curved, corner section of a 1 1/2" thick desk wall
>(laminate of two, 3/4" thick, birch plywood sections):
>
>https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/OngoingShopProjects
>
>Weldwood "Plastic Resin" glue; applied in early AM temperatures (78
>degrees in shop at 6AM, 100 degrees at 3PM); clamp time 24 hours.
>
>As always in these cases, the glue-up was the easy part ... the damn jig
>was a separate project in itself!
Interesting. Is that method cheaper than buying bendy ply and
laminating it? http://goo.gl/P4BFB
Um, what do you charge the client for the 400 extra kerf cuts
(SWAG: 100 slots, 4 passes each), or is that included in the overall
price? That has to be a $5k+ desk set, eh?
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-- Elizabeth Cady Stanton
On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 10:41:42 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Sep 16, 1:21 pm, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On 9/16/2011 12:04 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
>> > Um, what do you charge the client for the 400 extra kerf cuts
>> > (SWAG: 100 slots, 4 passes each), or is that included in the overall
>> > price? That has to be a $5k+ desk set, eh?
>>
>> Since you asked:
>>
>> It was a "change order". When she asked on requesting the change what it
>> would cost to make the corner a curve instead of square, my response:
>> "Somewhere in the $500 to $750 range extra to incorporate the curve, NOT
>> including materials."
OK. Works for me.
>Those numbers fit in my line of thinking. After all, no serious
>increase in materials...all money. I like making an honest buck.
>Getting paid for the skilzz.
Absolutely. My current task was building a wheelchair ramp platform
for a shower in a rental house. The guy's a quad so his teensy little
supermodel girlfriend has to wheel his 250# of bones up it to and from
the shower. It has to be removable so the shower door can close and
the shower look like it did when they're gone. There is $200 worth of
honest labor in it but only $27 worth of materials. We have tapers,
dadoes, and tapered rabbets, all done in pristine plywood and fir. ;)
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are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call on her
tribunal for every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the
existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of
the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear.
-- Thomas Jefferson
Swingman wrote:
> On 9/16/2011 10:46 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
>> The glue up look easy enough, but getting 15 well trained and
>> synchronized people to do the clamping must have taken some time.
>
> If enough male and female woodworkers pollinate it wouldn't be long
> before their offspring had extra hands.
>
.. with sandpaper on them, 120 and 180 probably.
On Sat, 17 Sep 2011 08:51:30 -0500, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 9/16/2011 7:28 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
>> "Swingman" wrote:
>>
>>> The glue-up of the curved, corner section of a 1 1/2" thick desk
>>> wall (laminate of two, 3/4" thick, birch plywood sections):
>>>
>>> https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/OngoingShopProjects
>>>
>>> Weldwood "Plastic Resin" glue; applied in early AM temperatures (78
>>> degrees in shop at 6AM, 100 degrees at 3PM); clamp time 24 hours.
>>>
>>> As always in these cases, the glue-up was the easy part ... the damn
>>> jig was a separate project in itself!
>> -----------------------------------
>>
>> Any reason you chose to kerf rather than using bending ply?
>
>*Availability, time, money, no shipping, design (they don't work well in
>freestanding applications IME ... ie, work better when applied to a
>frame/structure)
>
>*All these types of bendable sheet goods look great on the Internet, but
>just try to find someone that carries them locally and has them "in
>
>stock", even in one of the largest urban areas in the country. If you do
>find it, it is always 3/8" and any other size must be "$pecial order".
>
>And, it's why I have the tools to do the job. :)
So, how long _did_ it take you to Fester thet thang?
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Shake off all the fears of servile prejudices, under which weak minds
are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call on her
tribunal for every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the
existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of
the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear.
-- Thomas Jefferson