Just got my second call from a credit card companyi n 2 days. This time, they
played a recording after I answered (part of the recording, anyway).
They're pushing some kind of credit card insurance.
I do NOT and never have had the cards they're pushing.
WTF gives? I thought this crap was illegal: last night, it was AT&T, I didn't
get the name today, as I just roared "Piss off" and hung up. I'm in the middle
of doing charts for a book, and that is enough to make me grouchy anyway.
Charlie Self
"Brevity is the soul of lingerie." Dorothy Parker
http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/myhomepage/business.html
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> Leon asks:
>
> >Don't you wish you could screen the call and forward it to BFE if you don't
> >recognize it?
>
> I was going to get a policeman's whistle before the NC list. I may go back to
> that idea, but this crap of starting tapes for someone to listen to is insane.
> No sentient being will listen to an unsolicited telephone tape. Will they?
>
Yeah, that trick is even better than before no-call when the
occasional idiot solication would ring, then when you answered the
phone, would give the message, "please hold for a very important
message". I don't like being put on hold when I call someplace with
which I *need* to do business, and they think I'm going to hold for a
@#$% *sales* call?
Leon asks:
>Don't you wish you could screen the call and forward it to BFE if you don't
>recognize it?
I was going to get a policeman's whistle before the NC list. I may go back to
that idea, but this crap of starting tapes for someone to listen to is insane.
No sentient being will listen to an unsolicited telephone tape. Will they?
Charlie Self
"Brevity is the soul of lingerie." Dorothy Parker
http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/myhomepage/business.html
Charlie Self wrote:
> I was going to get a policeman's whistle before the NC list. I may go back to
> that idea, but this crap of starting tapes for someone to listen to is insane.
Even if it was a real person on the other end a whistle wouldn't work. In the
digital environment used by the phone companies high levels are "clamped" to a
reasonable volume.
--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA
(Remove "SPAM" from email address to reply)
On 08 Jan 2004 19:33:50 GMT, [email protected] (Charlie Self) wrote:
>Leon asks:
>
>>Don't you wish you could screen the call and forward it to BFE if you don't
>>recognize it?
>
>I was going to get a policeman's whistle before the NC list. I may go back to
>that idea, but this crap of starting tapes for someone to listen to is insane.
>No sentient being will listen to an unsolicited telephone tape. Will they?
>
>Charlie Self
>"Brevity is the soul of lingerie." Dorothy Parker
>http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/myhomepage/business.html
The old do not call list worked pretty well for me. As soon as I can get
a word in, I just say "I'm not interested; please put me on your do not
call list". The response is usually, "OK, it will take 6 to 8 weeks".
Once, I had to explain to a local business what a do not call list was
and a couple of times I've had a shocked telemarketer hang up.
When I get a recording or a recording on my answering machine, I listen
for the 1-800 number and call them and tell them to put me on their
do not call list.
After a month or two, the volume of the calls does go down.
The national do not call list seems to be working very well.
Bob S
It took some digging, but try this. It's a lot of fun.
http://www.xs4all.nl/~egbg/counterscript.html
Mark Jerde wrote:
> Mark wrote:
>
>>Charlie, I have seen a few web sites that have a script that really
>>frustrates the telemarketer, IF you are willing to play along with
>>them > for a couple of minutes. It basically turns the tables on
>>the TM'er and makes THEM start answering your questions.
>
>
> URLs?
>
> Thanks.
>
> -- Mark
>
>
One more.......
http://www.ucan.org/members/ucanmembersonly/gifts4members/takebackyourphone/script.html
Mark Jerde wrote:
> Mark wrote:
>
>>Charlie, I have seen a few web sites that have a script that really
>>frustrates the telemarketer, IF you are willing to play along with
>>them > for a couple of minutes. It basically turns the tables on
>>the TM'er and makes THEM start answering your questions.
>
>
> URLs?
>
> Thanks.
>
> -- Mark
>
>
Mark wrote:
> It took some digging, but try this. It's a lot of fun.
> http://www.xs4all.nl/~egbg/counterscript.html
Hee! That looks fun!
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Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
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Charlie Self wrote:
> insane. No sentient being will listen to an unsolicited telephone tape.
> Will they?
Probably not a tape. Probably a computer voice mail thing. "If you want
information about making your penis larger, press one now. If you want a
free vacation to Wally World, press two now...."
I get a *lot* of those from poly-ticks. Um. Politicians.
--
Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan <[email protected]>
Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/
Charlie, I have seen a few web sites that have a script that really
frustrates the telemarketer, IF you are willing to play along with them
for a couple of minutes. It basically turns the tables on the TM'er and
makes THEM start answering your questions. Quite funny for the first
few times, but not everyone has the time or patience. Mark
Charlie Self wrote:
> Leon asks:
>
>
>>Don't you wish you could screen the call and forward it to BFE if you don't
>>recognize it?
>
>
> I was going to get a policeman's whistle before the NC list. I may go back to
> that idea, but this crap of starting tapes for someone to listen to is insane.
> No sentient being will listen to an unsolicited telephone tape. Will they?
>
> Charlie Self
> "Brevity is the soul of lingerie." Dorothy Parker
> http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/myhomepage/business.html
Mark <[email protected]> wrote in news:6B0Mb.24464$P%1.22778327
@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com:
> It took some digging, but try this. It's a lot of fun.
> http://www.xs4all.nl/~egbg/counterscript.html
>
> Mark Jerde wrote:
>> Mark wrote:
>>
>>>Charlie, I have seen a few web sites that have a script that really
>>>frustrates the telemarketer, IF you are willing to play along with
>>>them > for a couple of minutes. It basically turns the tables on
>>>the TM'er and makes THEM start answering your questions.
>>
>>
>> URLs?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> -- Mark
>>
Good one.
Bedankt!
--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Charlie Self <[email protected]> wrote:
> >Leon asks:
> >
> >>Don't you wish you could screen the call and forward it to BFE if you don't
> >>recognize it?
> >
> >I was going to get a policeman's whistle before the NC list. I may go back to
> >that idea, but this crap of starting tapes for someone to listen to is insane.
> >No sentient being will listen to an unsolicited telephone tape. Will they?
>
> The taped messages have been illegal since the original TCPA was passed,
> circa 20 years ago.
>
>
I think what was banned was auto-dialing and auto-playing taped
messages. It sounds like what Charlie was describing was an end-around
that by having a hoomin bean ask you to "please listen to the following
important recorded message", which removes it from the auto-played
arena. Unless I read Charlie's message incorrectly.
In article <[email protected]>,
Charlie Self <[email protected]> wrote:
>Leon asks:
>
>>Don't you wish you could screen the call and forward it to BFE if you don't
>>recognize it?
>
>I was going to get a policeman's whistle before the NC list. I may go back to
>that idea, but this crap of starting tapes for someone to listen to is insane.
>No sentient being will listen to an unsolicited telephone tape. Will they?
The taped messages have been illegal since the original TCPA was passed,
circa 20 years ago.
Robert Bonomi responds:
>>I was going to get a policeman's whistle before the NC list. I may go back
>to
>>that idea, but this crap of starting tapes for someone to listen to is
>insane.
>>No sentient being will listen to an unsolicited telephone tape. Will they?
>
>The taped messages have been illegal since the original TCPA was passed,
>circa 20 years ago.
>
Jeez, someone should have told the twits who called me and played, or started
to play, a tape about every week after I moved into a city: they were pitching
septic tank treatments, so it might no have penetrated.
Charlie Self
If God had wanted me to touch my toes he would have put them higher on my body.
http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/myhomepage/business.html
In article <[email protected]>,
Charlie Self <[email protected]> wrote:
>Robert Bonomi responds:
>
>>>I was going to get a policeman's whistle before the NC list. I may go back
>>to
>>>that idea, but this crap of starting tapes for someone to listen to is
>>insane.
>>>No sentient being will listen to an unsolicited telephone tape. Will they?
>>
>>The taped messages have been illegal since the original TCPA was passed,
>>circa 20 years ago.
>>
>
>Jeez, someone should have told the twits who called me and played, or started
>to play, a tape about every week after I moved into a city: they were pitching
>septic tank treatments, so it might no have penetrated.
If the perpetrator is local, it's trivial to file a small-claims action
for the statutory damages of $500 *per*call*. Getting such calls can be
a non-trivial 'profit center', if you're willing to do a bit of work. :)
In article <[email protected]>, cpowers38
@mybluelight.com says...
> "Frank J. Vitale" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> > You have to register your number on the do not call list. It may then take
> > a couple of months for the list to get to the telemarketers.
> > It has worked great here in NY State. We have had it for a few years now.
>
> On a related note, I noticed that around Nov-Dec of 2003 the number of
> junk emails (Spam) that I received decreased dramatically. My filter
> used to get about 40-50 each day, and another 10 or so would sneak
> past the filter to my inbox. Since that time the filter gets about 5
> per day and maybe 1 or 2 more sneak by. I wonder if they were scaling
> back in advance of the Spam law that went into effect on 1/1?
>
> -Chris
>
You mean the "I can spam bill?" Perfect example of government
intervention making things worse instead of better. Clever SOB's keep
finding ways to get around my filters (I'm gonna wind up kill-filing
everybody on concentric but myself at the rate things are going).
Eudora doesn't have the best filtering capability, but I had been
keeping stuff in the in-box down to about 5 or six a day. The last
several days it seems like about 20 or more are getting around the
filters.
OT: Anybody have any advice on using regexp's in Eudora filters? I'd
like to screen out html with embedded gif's
Living in Iowa, we are besieged with calls from every Democratic candidate
there is - I generally get two a night. They are immune because of the
politics. I've even replied to Howard Deans website per instructions in his
emails to stop them, they simply disregarded and I'm getting as much from
him as I get spam. Even if I did like him, (which I don't) it would be
enough to go another direction because you can see what they think of us.
It will all stop the day of the caucuses, then they will all be directed to
New Hamshire.
Don
Reyd Dorakeen <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:BC24BAA8.38B3%[email protected]...
> I think its also that they got bored of people replying angrily, if they
> replied at all. and they realized that the time when this was a good
> marketing tool ended a while ago, since less and less people are willing
to
> even bother reading spam.
>
> in article [email protected], Chris at
> [email protected] wrote on 1/9/04 7:34 AM:
>
> > "Frank J. Vitale" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:<[email protected]>...
> >> You have to register your number on the do not call list. It may then
take
> >> a couple of months for the list to get to the telemarketers.
> >> It has worked great here in NY State. We have had it for a few years
now.
> >
> > On a related note, I noticed that around Nov-Dec of 2003 the number of
> > junk emails (Spam) that I received decreased dramatically. My filter
> > used to get about 40-50 each day, and another 10 or so would sneak
> > past the filter to my inbox. Since that time the filter gets about 5
> > per day and maybe 1 or 2 more sneak by. I wonder if they were scaling
> > back in advance of the Spam law that went into effect on 1/1?
> >
> > -Chris
>
"Mortimer Schnerd, RN" <[email protected]> writes:
> Mark & Juanita wrote:
> > Seems a pretty stupid thing to do, you know your customers don't want
> > to be bothered, but you feel you have the sacred right to bother them
> > anyway since you have an "existing" business relationship? Anyway,
> > it motivated me to get in gear and switch LD carriers, a task I was
> > planning to do for quite a while anyway.
>
> Well, that worked out well for them, didn't it? It's amazing to me how poorly
> they seem to understand people. A similar call motivated me to cancel all of my
> long distance service; I no longer have a LD carrier. I've been using
> onesuite.com (2.5 cents/minute anywhere in the US/anytime) for a while, but
> hadn't gotten rid of the LD carrier because I didn't know I had the option of
> not having one at all.
>
> Anyway, that phone call tore it. I called BellSouth and cancelled AT&T. I've
> used onesuite (like a calling card) exclusively ever since.
AT&T hasn't a clue about customer relations. We received
a letter a month or so ago wanting us to return to using
AT&T long distance. I sent them a reply stating that if
they hadn't shafted us so badly previously, we wouldn't
be an ex-customer. Magazine publishers have known for
eons that it's far cheaper to retain a current customer
than it is to find a new one.
Regarding no-call, I don't recall receiving any such calls
since the law went into effect. Prior to that, we'd get
two or three per day (and many more when the callers'
dialing machines malfunctioned).
On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 02:09:08 +0000, Mark & Juanita wrote:
> You mean the "I can spam bill?" Perfect example of government
> intervention making things worse instead of better. Clever SOB's keep
> finding ways to get around my filters (I'm gonna wind up kill-filing
> everybody on concentric but myself at the rate things are going).
> Eudora doesn't have the best filtering capability, but I had been
> keeping stuff in the in-box down to about 5 or six a day. The last
> several days it seems like about 20 or more are getting around the
> filters.
I've been using spamassassin (spamd/spamc) with evolution, and noticed a
similar pattern. At first, it was almost bullet proof, but more and more
are getting through the last month or so. There are some extensions that
can be integrated with spamassassin that I'll have to look into. I use
PAN for a news reader, and it has it's own set of filtering capabilities
that work well.
-Doug
Jerry Gilreath wrote:
> What's your number, I'll and talk to ya! Same thing here!!!
867-5309 :)
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Charlie, and all else...
Go to "www.donotcall.gov" and you'll find a COMPLAINT choice which is
quite simple to use. They advise you should have had your number on
the list for a minimum of 3 months. A form asks for your number,
the number and name of the party who called (if known), the date,
and the time of day. Maybe a couple more items, I don't recall.
Good luck,
Lurker
Charlie Self wrote:
>
> Just got my second call from a credit card companyi n 2 days. This time, they
> played a recording after I answered (part of the recording, anyway).
>
> They're pushing some kind of credit card insurance.
>
> I do NOT and never have had the cards they're pushing.
>
> WTF gives? I thought this crap was illegal: last night, it was AT&T, I didn't
> get the name today, as I just roared "Piss off" and hung up. I'm in the middle
> of doing charts for a book, and that is enough to make me grouchy anyway.
>
> Charlie Self
> "Brevity is the soul of lingerie." Dorothy Parker
> http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/myhomepage/business.html
Charlie Self wrote:
> Just got my second call from a credit card companyi n 2 days. This time, they
> played a recording after I answered (part of the recording, anyway).
>
> They're pushing some kind of credit card insurance.
>
> I do NOT and never have had the cards they're pushing.
>
> WTF gives? I thought this crap was illegal: last night, it was AT&T, I didn't
> get the name today, as I just roared "Piss off" and hung up. I'm in the middle
> of doing charts for a book, and that is enough to make me grouchy anyway.
Just for the record.
I just noticed that you were referring to a call from the AT&T credit card
people. AT&T sold their credit card business, including the name, back in
the1997/1998 time frame. I recall Smith Barney Inc. was one of the player, but
I'm not sure who ending up buying that segment of AT&T's businesses.
--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA
(Remove "SPAM" from email address to reply)
In article <[email protected]>,
Charlie Self <[email protected]> wrote:
>Just got my second call from a credit card companyi n 2 days. This time, they
>played a recording after I answered (part of the recording, anyway).
>
>They're pushing some kind of credit card insurance.
>
>I do NOT and never have had the cards they're pushing.
>
>WTF gives? I thought this crap was illegal: last night, it was AT&T, I didn't
>get the name today, as I just roared "Piss off" and hung up. I'm in the middle
>of doing charts for a book, and that is enough to make me grouchy anyway.
>
I havn't had *one* call since the list went into effect. Was averaging
a couple a week before that.
Our phone is not listed in the no call list. We pay the phone company
to have our phone number remove from the phone books. Occasionally, we
still have telemarketing calling in the evening. This evening I
received call from a finance company pouring out his shit.
I screwed him, he laughs and pretty soon we were screwing one another.
This goes on for more than 10 minutes. I realize that this smart alex
will go on forever. So, I call my kid aloud (so the telemarketer could
hear) and ask him to use the other phone and call the cop to trace
the the caller since his phone ID is "Unknown."
The caller immediately hangs up. Some of you may say I deserve it.
Yes, I am wrong to screwed him, but how do you stop them? Listing our
phone to the no call list will only add our phone to the lists of
other authorized caller lists. I believe telemarketing and legitimate
company will think twice calling, if their ID is available on all
calls.
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On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 14:13:09 GMT, "Larry C in Auburn, WA"
<[email protected]> wrote:
I have two questions:
1. I believe if you request your phones be removes from the
Telemarketer calling list and if they persist calling, you can sue
them under a certain law? Can you or anyone tell me more about it?
2. If we listed our phones with the NCL and if a telemarketer calls
without an ID, how am I going complain to FCC, what proof do I have?
HOW DO YOU GET THE PROOF TO REGISTER A COMPLAIN?
Lastly, I would love to sue AT&T (They keep calling me regularly), I
still cannot forget how they gouge me in the late 90's.
>I seldom get calls now instead of the 1-3 an evening I was getting so it
>seems to be working for me. I don't think you should feel guilty about
>playing with the telemarketers, they called you to help you out didn't they?
>At least that's what they usually told me. I figured I didn't need new
>storm windows (or whatever), but I might be in the mood for a little
>entertainment. I'd ask them questions, debate with them, ask them how they
>tested their windows to make the claim of being the best, etc. Usually I
>just say not interested and hang up, but every now and then I'm in the mood
>to play with them. No, I do not have an ounce of guilt about it. Maybe you
>just need more time for the no call list to kick in?
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On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 07:39:03 GMT, Brian Henderson
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Yes, you can sue them, but it's pretty difficult to prove that you
>told them to remove you from their list. Basically, it's your word
>against theirs.
That is exactly what I mean! Every Telemarketer knows about it.
I remember a called, when this guy actually turns on the speaker.
You can hear the laugher and enjoyment in the background.
I would love to sue them and make them pay for the enjoyment!
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In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> Just got my second call from a credit card companyi n 2 days. This time, they
> played a recording after I answered (part of the recording, anyway).
>
> They're pushing some kind of credit card insurance.
>
> I do NOT and never have had the cards they're pushing.
>
> WTF gives? I thought this crap was illegal: last night, it was AT&T, I didn't
> get the name today, as I just roared "Piss off" and hung up. I'm in the middle
> of doing charts for a book, and that is enough to make me grouchy anyway.
>
> Charlie Self
> "Brevity is the soul of lingerie." Dorothy Parker
> http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/myhomepage/business.html
>
So far, it's worked really good for us. Only violators thus far have
been two messages from a consumer debt service that appears to be trying
to do an end-around the intent of the law because it is a "non-profit"
(but of course, they do charge a fee) and MCI. We have (as of last
Saturday, make that 'had') MCI long-distance, thus MCI felt entitled to
call us and offer us local as well as long-distance despite the fact we
are on the no-call list because they have an existing business
relationship with us. My understanding of the intent of the law
regarding existing business relationships was to allow companies to call
regarding accounts, etc. without having some idiot go after them for
violating the no-call list, not to allow a company with whom you do
business bother you for more business. Seems a pretty stupid thing to
do, you know your customers don't want to be bothered, but you feel you
have the sacred right to bother them anyway since you have an
"existing" business relationship? Anyway, it motivated me to get in
gear and switch LD carriers, a task I was planning to do for quite a
while anyway.
Mark & Juanita writes:
>My understanding of the intent of the law
>regarding existing business relationships was to allow companies to call
>regarding accounts, etc. without having some idiot go after them for
>violating the no-call list, not to allow a company with whom you do
>business bother you for more business. Seems a pretty stupid thing to
>do, you know your customers don't want to be bothered, but you feel you
>have the sacred right to bother them anyway since you have an
>"existing" business relationship?
I've always wondered about the spammers who lay on the munged words, say
replacing a letter with # or $ to skip around someone's filters. Do they really
think popping that header up is going to entice someone who doesn't want to
hear from them anyway?
An awful lot of modern business seems to fish for customers with irritants--I'm
getting less and less able to watch pro sports these days because of the
commercials. And the PSA spots are getting more aggravating by the week: I
really don't appreciate seeing a PSA on smoking from a talentless rap group
(probably redundant) or a bunch of grinning teenage goof-offs creating problems
around an office building any more than I want to buy Depends or Ensure.
Charlie Self
If God had wanted me to touch my toes he would have put them higher on my body.
http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/myhomepage/business.html
Mark & Juanita <[email protected]> writes:
> [email protected] says...
> > "Charlie Self" <[email protected]> wrote
> > > I've always wondered about the spammers who lay on the munged words, say
> > > replacing a letter with # or $ to skip around someone's filters. Do they
> > really
> > > think popping that header up is going to entice someone who doesn't want
> > to
> > > hear from them anyway?
> >
> > That's not for you. That's to fool blocking software
> > that looks for certain keywords. Add some funny
> > characters or 1 for l or 0 for O and it'll get past.
>
> That's what he was saying. Why try to get around somebody's blocking
> filters when you know they don't want to see what you're sending? You
> are only going to make those people even more angry and certainly aren't
> going to get any more business.
>
> The one's that really get me are the ones that have nonsense in the
> subject line -- same reason, plus by randomizing the crap they get
> around some ISP's filters as well. Do they really think I'm going to
> open an e-mail with the subject, "garcia clarinet montevideo bud
> shameful"? BTW, that's a real spam subject line from one in my filter
> bin.
The ones that baffle me are those from Asia that use an oriental
language and character set. Not only are mosts of the recipients
in the western world not interested in whatever the postings have
to say, they can't read them anyway. Talk about a total waste of
bandwidth!
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> "Charlie Self" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > I've always wondered about the spammers who lay on the munged words, say
> > replacing a letter with # or $ to skip around someone's filters. Do they
> really
> > think popping that header up is going to entice someone who doesn't want
> to
> > hear from them anyway?
>
> That's not for you. That's to fool blocking software
> that looks for certain keywords. Add some funny
> characters or 1 for l or 0 for O and it'll get past.
>
> Dennis Vogel
>
That's what he was saying. Why try to get around somebody's blocking
filters when you know they don't want to see what you're sending? You
are only going to make those people even more angry and certainly aren't
going to get any more business.
The one's that really get me are the ones that have nonsense in the
subject line -- same reason, plus by randomizing the crap they get
around some ISP's filters as well. Do they really think I'm going to
open an e-mail with the subject, "garcia clarinet montevideo bud
shameful"? BTW, that's a real spam subject line from one in my filter
bin.
>
>
In article <[email protected]>, "Dennis Vogel" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Aha, so he was. As Roseanne Rosanadana used
>to say, "Never mind!'
>
IIRC, that was Emily Latella.
--
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)
How come we choose from just two people to run for president and 50 for Miss America?
"Charlie Self" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I've always wondered about the spammers who lay on the munged words, say
> replacing a letter with # or $ to skip around someone's filters. Do they
really
> think popping that header up is going to entice someone who doesn't want
to
> hear from them anyway?
That's not for you. That's to fool blocking software
that looks for certain keywords. Add some funny
characters or 1 for l or 0 for O and it'll get past.
Dennis Vogel
"Mark & Juanita" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] says...
> > "Charlie Self" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > I've always wondered about the spammers who lay on the munged words,
say
> > > replacing a letter with # or $ to skip around someone's filters. Do
they
> > really
> > > think popping that header up is going to entice someone who doesn't
want
> > to
> > > hear from them anyway?
> >
> > That's not for you. That's to fool blocking software
> > that looks for certain keywords. Add some funny
> > characters or 1 for l or 0 for O and it'll get past.
>
> That's what he was saying.
Aha, so he was. As Roseanne Rosanadana used
to say, "Never mind!'
Dennis Vogel
Charlie Self wrote:
> talentless rap group (probably redundant) or a bunch of grinning teenage
> goof-offs creating problems around an office building any more than I want
> to buy Depends or Ensure.
Sounds like the reason why I stopped watching TV.
(Well, I watch a little, since it's the only way to be in the same room as
SWMBO, but I don't make a habit of it.)
--
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Mark & Juanita wrote:
> (but of course, they do charge a fee) and MCI. We have (as of last
> Saturday, make that 'had') MCI long-distance, thus MCI felt entitled to
Hoooey, not me boy. I HATE those people. Pushy, nasty people. MCI wrote
the book on nasty phone spam.
I like not having a long distance carrier. To hell with ALL of them!
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In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (WD) wrote:
>On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 14:13:09 GMT, "Larry C in Auburn, WA"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>I have two questions:
>
>1. I believe if you request your phones be removes from the
>Telemarketer calling list and if they persist calling, you can sue
>them under a certain law? Can you or anyone tell me more about it?
Yes, this is true. It's called the Telecommunications Consumer Protection Act
(do a Google search on that phrase for more info).
>
>2. If we listed our phones with the NCL and if a telemarketer calls
>without an ID, how am I going complain to FCC, what proof do I have?
Get the name of the company and complain.
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How come we choose from just two people to run for president and 50 for Miss America?
Charlie Self wrote:
> WTF gives? I thought this crap was illegal: last night, it was AT&T, I
Marijuana, cocaine, crack, LSD, underaged drinking, pre-marital sex,
extra-marital sex, jaywalking, speeding, driving without a seatbelt...
You didn't think making it illegal was actually going to stop it did you?
I just stay on the net all day. Keeps the phone calls down. :)
I hate to hear my phone ring, really. It's always
* my boss
* one of SWMBO's friends/relations
* a spammer
Hardly ever anyone else. Nobody except my boss or a spammer *ever* calls to
talk to me. <sniff>
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http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/
On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 12:02:07 -0700, WD <[email protected]> wrote:
>1. I believe if you request your phones be removes from the
>Telemarketer calling list and if they persist calling, you can sue
>them under a certain law? Can you or anyone tell me more about it?
Yes, you can sue them, but it's pretty difficult to prove that you
told them to remove you from their list. Basically, it's your word
against theirs.
>2. If we listed our phones with the NCL and if a telemarketer calls
>without an ID, how am I going complain to FCC, what proof do I have?
>HOW DO YOU GET THE PROOF TO REGISTER A COMPLAIN?
That's the problem. Before the NCL went into effect, I'd have
telemarketers who absolutely refused to give me their names. I'd tell
them to take me off their lists and give me their names and they'd
refuse.
Frank Vitale responds:
>You have to register your number on the do not call list. It may then take
>a couple of months for the list to get to the telemarketers.
>It has worked great here in NY State. We have had it for a few years now.
I was among the first however many to register my numbers, but in 2 days I've
received calls on both house phones. That's the Feds. I don't think WV gives a
shit.
Charlie Self
"Brevity is the soul of lingerie." Dorothy Parker
http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/myhomepage/business.html
Charlie Self wrote:
> I was among the first however many to register my numbers, but in 2 days I've
> received calls on both house phones. That's the Feds. I don't think WV gives a
> shit.
AT&T is already in deep with the Feds for this forward your info to the
Fed and let them take it from there. The CC companies may have done
business with you in the past which allows them to continue to contact
you until you tell them explicitly that they don't have legitimate
access to you. Piss Off won't do, unfortunately. %-)
Dave in Fairfax
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[email protected] wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Charlie Self wrote:
> > I was among the first however many to register my numbers, but in 2 days I've
> > received calls on both house phones. That's the Feds. I don't think WV gives a
> > shit.
>
> AT&T is already in deep with the Feds for this forward your info to the
> Fed and let them take it from there. The CC companies may have done
> business with you in the past which allows them to continue to contact
> you until you tell them explicitly that they don't have legitimate
> access to you. Piss Off won't do, unfortunately. %-)
> Dave in Fairfax
My CC company used to call too. During one campaign they were
agressively marketing something or other and calling quite frequently.
My wife asked them politely TWICE. When I answered the THIRD call
that week I told them any further calls would result in canceling our
2 CCs, and moving our checking/savings/CDs to another bank. That was
about 2 years ago - no calls since (Kudos to Chase).
-Chris
"Charlie Self" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
> WTF gives? I thought this crap was illegal: last night, it was AT&T, I
didn't
> get the name today, as I just roared "Piss off" and hung up. I'm in the
middle
> of doing charts for a book, and that is enough to make me grouchy anyway.
>
Plenty of loopholes (some appropriate) for charities, politicians and
company's you've done business with in the past. Also plenty of
disreputable contractors ignoring the lists.
IIRC - you had to say something akin to "We do not accept calls for
solicitation. Put this number on your do-not-call list." rather than (the
more cathartic) "Piss off!" :)
Also - those anectodal stories of people getting $$ from offenders are
apparently true. If so inclined, put a notepad by the phone and start
tracking the vitals. Maybe you can get some bux out'a them.
Personally - I opted for the RBOC's "No Solicitation" feature for our line.
I chose it long before the DNC lists were being setup. The downside is
$6/month. The upside? From 8-12 calls a month to zero, zilch, nada,
zippo - not one in over 3 years.
I think its also that they got bored of people replying angrily, if they
replied at all. and they realized that the time when this was a good
marketing tool ended a while ago, since less and less people are willing to
even bother reading spam.
in article [email protected], Chris at
[email protected] wrote on 1/9/04 7:34 AM:
> "Frank J. Vitale" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:<[email protected]>...
>> You have to register your number on the do not call list. It may then take
>> a couple of months for the list to get to the telemarketers.
>> It has worked great here in NY State. We have had it for a few years now.
>
> On a related note, I noticed that around Nov-Dec of 2003 the number of
> junk emails (Spam) that I received decreased dramatically. My filter
> used to get about 40-50 each day, and another 10 or so would sneak
> past the filter to my inbox. Since that time the filter gets about 5
> per day and maybe 1 or 2 more sneak by. I wonder if they were scaling
> back in advance of the Spam law that went into effect on 1/1?
>
> -Chris
Frank Ketchum wrote:
> I signed up right off the git go and my phone has only rang twice from
> telemarketers since. They were both informed that they would be
> reported and they were. I hope they enjoyed their $11,000 fines.
I signed up the very first morning we were able to. I kind of lost track of
where the national DNC list is with the legal challenges, but the North Carolina
attorney general has said he is going to enforce the NC list irregardless, which
gets its data from the national list. Bottom line: I don't get any calls
anymore. As far as I'm concerned, the list has been a great success.
I've never understood why the telemarketers fought the list so hard. Why would
they want to talk to me, when I'm so hostile to them? If I want to buy
something, I'll go look for it myself. I'm not going to buy something off the
telephone sight unseen. That just ain't gonna happen.
--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN
[email protected]
http://www.mortimerschnerd.com
>Charlie Self" wrote in message
>
>> WTF gives? I thought this crap was illegal: last night, it was AT&T,
>
Could be you've had some dealings (however minimal) with the offending
corporations in the recent past? One of the caveats we've got to be aware of is
this little loophole for the bastards, as they can call you for the next 6
months, I believe. Tom
Someday, it'll all be over....
It is real easy to file a complaint. All you need is the phone number OR
the name of the calling party and some information from you. I have used it
twice(pretty sure it was for the same company each time) a couple of months
apart. We used to get several calls a day before the list. Now those two
are the only ones I have recieved since putting my name on the list.
Rob
"lurker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Charlie, and all else...
>
> Go to "www.donotcall.gov" and you'll find a COMPLAINT choice which is
> quite simple to use. They advise you should have had your number on
> the list for a minimum of 3 months. A form asks for your number,
> the number and name of the party who called (if known), the date,
> and the time of day. Maybe a couple more items, I don't recall.
>
> Good luck,
> Lurker
>
> Charlie Self wrote:
> >
> > Just got my second call from a credit card companyi n 2 days. This time,
they
> > played a recording after I answered (part of the recording, anyway).
> >
> > They're pushing some kind of credit card insurance.
> >
> > I do NOT and never have had the cards they're pushing.
> >
> > WTF gives? I thought this crap was illegal: last night, it was AT&T, I
didn't
> > get the name today, as I just roared "Piss off" and hung up. I'm in the
middle
> > of doing charts for a book, and that is enough to make me grouchy
anyway.
> >
> > Charlie Self
> > "Brevity is the soul of lingerie." Dorothy Parker
> > http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/myhomepage/business.html
I seldom get calls now instead of the 1-3 an evening I was getting so it
seems to be working for me. I don't think you should feel guilty about
playing with the telemarketers, they called you to help you out didn't they?
At least that's what they usually told me. I figured I didn't need new
storm windows (or whatever), but I might be in the mood for a little
entertainment. I'd ask them questions, debate with them, ask them how they
tested their windows to make the claim of being the best, etc. Usually I
just say not interested and hang up, but every now and then I'm in the mood
to play with them. No, I do not have an ounce of guilt about it. Maybe you
just need more time for the no call list to kick in?
--
Larry C in Auburn, WA
"WD" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Our phone is not listed in the no call list. We pay the phone company
> to have our phone number remove from the phone books. Occasionally, we
> still have telemarketing calling in the evening. This evening I
> received call from a finance company pouring out his shit.
>
> I screwed him, he laughs and pretty soon we were screwing one another.
> This goes on for more than 10 minutes. I realize that this smart alex
> will go on forever. So, I call my kid aloud (so the telemarketer could
> hear) and ask him to use the other phone and call the cop to trace
> the the caller since his phone ID is "Unknown."
>
> The caller immediately hangs up. Some of you may say I deserve it.
> Yes, I am wrong to screwed him, but how do you stop them? Listing our
> phone to the no call list will only add our phone to the lists of
> other authorized caller lists. I believe telemarketing and legitimate
> company will think twice calling, if their ID is available on all
> calls.
>
>
>
>
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My regular phone line works great. Can't recall the last unsolicited phone.
I never added my fax line and it has been getting three to five calls a day.
I'm going to leave it as is, because:
1. I never answer it
2. While my fax line is ringing some other person is not being bothered.
3. I hope that at least every so slightly the caller is annoyed by the
fax tones.
--
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http://pages.cthome.net/edhome
"Charlie Self" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Just got my second call from a credit card companyi n 2 days. This time,
they
> played a recording after I answered (part of the recording, anyway).
>
I signed up right off the git go and my phone has only rang twice from
telemarketers since. They were both informed that they would be reported
and they were. I hope they enjoyed their $11,000 fines.
Frank
I get more than ever since putting my name on the list a couple of months
ago. Once got 61 "out of area' calls in two days the week b4 Christmas.
Dave
"Charlie Self" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Just got my second call from a credit card companyi n 2 days. This time,
they
> played a recording after I answered (part of the recording, anyway).
>
> They're pushing some kind of credit card insurance.
>
> I do NOT and never have had the cards they're pushing.
>
> WTF gives? I thought this crap was illegal: last night, it was AT&T, I
didn't
> get the name today, as I just roared "Piss off" and hung up. I'm in the
middle
> of doing charts for a book, and that is enough to make me grouchy anyway.
>
> Charlie Self
> "Brevity is the soul of lingerie." Dorothy Parker
> http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/myhomepage/business.html
In article <[email protected]>, *removethis*[email protected] wrote:
>On Thu, 8 Jan 2004 13:52:11 -0600, "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>I signed up for the Texas DNCL and haven't gotten a marketing call in a year
>
>Same here in CT, only much longer.
>
>I can't remember the last telemarketing call.
>
>Barry
Remember the politicians made sure to exempt political calls. With the silly
season getting underway I imagine things will start to pickup.
Stuart Johnson
Red Oak, Texas
I get very few nowadays.
Screwing with them may make you feel good, but as a prectical matter, I
ALWAYS tell them immediately and in very clear language that I would like to
placed on THEIR "do not call" list.
Not all telemarketers are from unscrupulous companies. I beleive that to
some degree companies are required by law to maintain such lists.
Nothing will help with unscrupulous callers.... But I beleive that this
approach helps. It certainly can not hurt.
Although it may not feel as good, I beleive it does more to cut down on
subsequent calls than "Screwing with them"
Steve
"Larry C in Auburn, WA" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:VDtSb.189867$na.314992@attbi_s04...
> I seldom get calls now instead of the 1-3 an evening I was getting so it
> seems to be working for me. I don't think you should feel guilty about
> playing with the telemarketers, they called you to help you out didn't
they?
> At least that's what they usually told me. I figured I didn't need new
> storm windows (or whatever), but I might be in the mood for a little
> entertainment. I'd ask them questions, debate with them, ask them how
they
> tested their windows to make the claim of being the best, etc. Usually I
> just say not interested and hang up, but every now and then I'm in the
mood
> to play with them. No, I do not have an ounce of guilt about it. Maybe
you
> just need more time for the no call list to kick in?
>
> --
> Larry C in Auburn, WA
>
> "WD" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > Our phone is not listed in the no call list. We pay the phone company
> > to have our phone number remove from the phone books. Occasionally, we
> > still have telemarketing calling in the evening. This evening I
> > received call from a finance company pouring out his shit.
> >
> > I screwed him, he laughs and pretty soon we were screwing one another.
> > This goes on for more than 10 minutes. I realize that this smart alex
> > will go on forever. So, I call my kid aloud (so the telemarketer could
> > hear) and ask him to use the other phone and call the cop to trace
> > the the caller since his phone ID is "Unknown."
> >
> > The caller immediately hangs up. Some of you may say I deserve it.
> > Yes, I am wrong to screwed him, but how do you stop them? Listing our
> > phone to the no call list will only add our phone to the lists of
> > other authorized caller lists. I believe telemarketing and legitimate
> > company will think twice calling, if their ID is available on all
> > calls.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =-----
> > http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World!
> > -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =-----
>
WD <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Our phone is not listed in the no call list. We pay the phone company
> to have our phone number remove from the phone books. Occasionally, we
> still have telemarketing calling in the evening. This evening I
This is because telemarketers do not use phone listings. Most of
them use automated dialing systems that call all the numbers
in a given area. The systems hang up when they here the
beep-dee-boop tones of a "not in service" message. They also
now skip numbers on the do not call list.
> , but how do you stop them? Listing our
> phone to the no call list will only add our phone to the lists of
> other authorized caller lists. I believe telemarketing and legitimate
Uh, where did you get this idea? I put my number on the national
do not call list as soon as it became available. I almost never
get any of these calls. I don't think I've had more than 1 since
Christmas.
Bill Ranck
Blacksburg, Va.
"Frank J. Vitale" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> You have to register your number on the do not call list. It may then take
> a couple of months for the list to get to the telemarketers.
> It has worked great here in NY State. We have had it for a few years now.
On a related note, I noticed that around Nov-Dec of 2003 the number of
junk emails (Spam) that I received decreased dramatically. My filter
used to get about 40-50 each day, and another 10 or so would sneak
past the filter to my inbox. Since that time the filter gets about 5
per day and maybe 1 or 2 more sneak by. I wonder if they were scaling
back in advance of the Spam law that went into effect on 1/1?
-Chris
"Chris" wrote in message
>
> On a related note, I noticed that around Nov-Dec of 2003 the number of
> junk emails (Spam) that I received decreased dramatically. My filter
> used to get about 40-50 each day, and another 10 or so would sneak
> past the filter to my inbox. Since that time the filter gets about 5
> per day and maybe 1 or 2 more sneak by. I wonder if they were scaling
> back in advance of the Spam law that went into effect on 1/1?
Certainly not noticeable around here. Still catching some 350 - 400 per day
on three accounts. We wrote a front-end for our mailer which goes through a
list of RBL's and marks the subject line of matches with the characters
"[SPAM]". That allows me to dump those in the Delete folder where they are
automatically counted before being flushed on the way out ... we have seen
nothing but a steady increase in spam despite misguided laws and anti-spam
vigilantes.
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In article <[email protected]>, Mark & Juanita <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> OT: Anybody have any advice on using regexp's in Eudora filters? I'd
>like to screen out html with embedded gif's
You might try this filter:
Header <<Body>> matches regexp .*\.gif.*
Caution: this is completely UNtested. No warranty, express or implied, etc.
--
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)
How come we choose from just two people to run for president and 50 for Miss America?
On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 03:51:18 GMT, "Frank Ketchum"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>I signed up right off the git go and my phone has only rang twice from
>telemarketers since. They were both informed that they would be reported
>and they were. I hope they enjoyed their $11,000 fines.
I haven't gotten any sales calls since October that I remember, but I
get endless 'survey' calls now. Everyone wants my opinion now and
they aren't bound by the 'do-not-call' list.
So I always give them my honest opinion. They suck and can go to
hell.
One minor detail to remember about no call lists. If the sale does not
occur over the phone then it is not prohibited by the law. If they are
asking to come over and give you a quote, then they don't have to worry
about the no call list. Also, if you already have a business relationship
with the company, then the don't call list doesn't cover you.
Michael
"Larry C in Auburn, WA" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:VDtSb.189867$na.314992@attbi_s04...
> I seldom get calls now instead of the 1-3 an evening I was getting so it
> seems to be working for me. I don't think you should feel guilty about
> playing with the telemarketers, they called you to help you out didn't
they?
> At least that's what they usually told me. I figured I didn't need new
> storm windows (or whatever), but I might be in the mood for a little
> entertainment. I'd ask them questions, debate with them, ask them how
they
> tested their windows to make the claim of being the best, etc. Usually I
> just say not interested and hang up, but every now and then I'm in the
mood
> to play with them. No, I do not have an ounce of guilt about it. Maybe
you
> just need more time for the no call list to kick in?
>
> --
> Larry C in Auburn, WA
>
> "WD" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > Our phone is not listed in the no call list. We pay the phone company
> > to have our phone number remove from the phone books. Occasionally, we
> > still have telemarketing calling in the evening. This evening I
> > received call from a finance company pouring out his shit.
> >
> > I screwed him, he laughs and pretty soon we were screwing one another.
> > This goes on for more than 10 minutes. I realize that this smart alex
> > will go on forever. So, I call my kid aloud (so the telemarketer could
> > hear) and ask him to use the other phone and call the cop to trace
> > the the caller since his phone ID is "Unknown."
> >
> > The caller immediately hangs up. Some of you may say I deserve it.
> > Yes, I am wrong to screwed him, but how do you stop them? Listing our
> > phone to the no call list will only add our phone to the lists of
> > other authorized caller lists. I believe telemarketing and legitimate
> > company will think twice calling, if their ID is available on all
> > calls.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =-----
> > http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World!
> > -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =-----
>
On Thu, 8 Jan 2004 13:52:11 -0600, "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote:
>I signed up for the Texas DNCL and haven't gotten a marketing call in a year
Same here in CT, only much longer.
I can't remember the last telemarketing call.
Barry
In news:[email protected],
Charlie Self <[email protected]> typed:
> Just got my second call from a credit card companyi n 2 days. This
> time, they played a recording after I answered (part of the
> recording, anyway).
>
> They're pushing some kind of credit card insurance.
>
> I do NOT and never have had the cards they're pushing.
>
> WTF gives? I thought this crap was illegal: last night, it was AT&T,
> I didn't get the name today, as I just roared "Piss off" and hung up.
> I'm in the middle of doing charts for a book, and that is enough to
> make me grouchy anyway.
>
> Charlie Self
> "Brevity is the soul of lingerie." Dorothy Parker
> http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/myhomepage/business.html
I've not only signed up for the national DNC list, but the DMA list as well.
I also have one of those Telezappers on my home phone. I get *VERY* few
calls these days. Most of the ones I get are from places I've done business
with before (newspaper, credit cards, carpet cleaning). When I ask them not
to call, they happily comply. At least, so far.
Bear in mind there are still disreputable companies that will ignore the law
and count on you not wanting to bother pursuing them about it.
Saudade writes:
>I've not only signed up for the national DNC list, but the DMA list as well.
>I also have one of those Telezappers on my home phone. I get *VERY* few
>calls these days. Most of the ones I get are from places I've done business
>with before (newspaper, credit cards, carpet cleaning). When I ask them not
>to call, they happily comply. At least, so far.
>
>Bear in mind there are still disreputable companies that will ignore the law
>and count on you not wanting to bother pursuing them about it.
Well, as I said, one caller identified herself as from AT&T's credit card
division. I've never done business with them, and until now I didn't figure
they were disreputable.
Charlie Self
"Brevity is the soul of lingerie." Dorothy Parker
http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/myhomepage/business.html
Charlie Self wrote:
> Well, as I said, one caller identified herself as from AT&T's credit card
> division. I've never done business with them, and until now I didn't figure
> they were disreputable.
AT&T recently received a hefty fine for DNC violations and is appealing the
fine. AT&T contracts out the job of telephone solicitations, and according to
the company, it appears that some of the contractor's employees may be the
culprits.
--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA
(Remove "SPAM" from email address to reply)
Thus the value of being informed versus merely angry. Those you do
business with, and they will tell you as a CY(T)A, political and charitable
are not covered. For others, you refer to the DNC enforcers.
Probably 95% of solicitations are or were boiler-room operations, though
those you hire are still your responsibility.
"Nova" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Charlie Self wrote:
>
> > Well, as I said, one caller identified herself as from AT&T's credit
card
> > division. I've never done business with them, and until now I didn't
figure
> > they were disreputable.
>
> AT&T recently received a hefty fine for DNC violations and is appealing
the
> fine. AT&T contracts out the job of telephone solicitations, and
according to
> the company, it appears that some of the contractor's employees may be the
> culprits.
>
In article <[email protected]>,
Charlie Self <[email protected]> wrote:
>Well, as I said, one caller identified herself as from AT&T's credit card
>division. I've never done business with them, and until now I didn't figure
>they were disreputable.
Have you done business with AT&T, like for long distance or local phone
service? Maybe that gives them a loophole to call you.
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Mike Iglesias asks:
>Charlie Self <[email protected]> wrote:
>>Well, as I said, one caller identified herself as from AT&T's credit card
>>division. I've never done business with them, and until now I didn't figure
>>they were disreputable.
>
>Have you done business with AT&T, like for long distance or local phone
>service? Maybe that gives them a loophole to call you.
Nope. Last contact was about 10 months ago when I canceled my AT&T cell phone
because they wouldn't give me what I wanted. I think my wife has an AT&T card,
but I'm not on that. We've got something called Verizon for local and long
distance here.
Charlie Self
"Brevity is the soul of lingerie." Dorothy Parker
http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/myhomepage/business.html
[email protected] (Charlie Self) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
>
It works great for my cell phone, however my home phone number was
changed recently so I get called 5 or 6 times daily including a
afternoon Thanksgiving call soliciting Directv now on those rare times
I don't glance at the caller Id im nice but that time I just hung up
on the fellow..
Steven
Mike Iglesias asks:
>
> >Charlie Self <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>Well, as I said, one caller identified herself as from AT&T's credit card
> >>division. I've never done business with them, and until now I didn't figure
> >>they were disreputable.
> >
> >Have you done business with AT&T, like for long distance or local phone
> >service? Maybe that gives them a loophole to call you.
>
> Nope. Last contact was about 10 months ago when I canceled my AT&T cell phone
> because they wouldn't give me what I wanted. I think my wife has an AT&T card,
> but I'm not on that. We've got something called Verizon for local and long
> distance here.
>
> Charlie Self
> "Brevity is the soul of lingerie." Dorothy Parker
> http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/myhomepage/business.html
[email protected] (Charlie Self) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Mike Iglesias asks:
>
> >Charlie Self <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>Well, as I said, one caller identified herself as from AT&T's credit card
> >>division. I've never done business with them, and until now I didn't figure
> >>they were disreputable.
> >
> >Have you done business with AT&T, like for long distance or local phone
> >service? Maybe that gives them a loophole to call you.
>
> Nope. Last contact was about 10 months ago when I canceled my AT&T cell phone
> because they wouldn't give me what I wanted. I think my wife has an AT&T card,
> but I'm not on that. We've got something called Verizon for local and long
> distance here.
>
> Charlie Self
> "Brevity is the soul of lingerie." Dorothy Parker
> http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/myhomepage/business.html
Charlie have you been or are you a Citibank (Citigroup) customer?
Citibank owns most of the larger Mastercard and Visa Portfolios for
consumer cards including the At&t Universal card and any Associates
account. At&t wireless is a seperate company and would not be
considered an existing relationship.(or likely even a prior one)
I heard that telemarketers need to ID their numbers now. It's a new law,
but not sure when it needs to go into effect. I have caller ID and if the
display says "UNKNOWN", I don't answer it.
"Larry C in Auburn, WA" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:VDtSb.189867$na.314992@attbi_s04...
> I seldom get calls now instead of the 1-3 an evening I was getting so it
> seems to be working for me. I don't think you should feel guilty about
> playing with the telemarketers, they called you to help you out didn't
they?
> At least that's what they usually told me. I figured I didn't need new
> storm windows (or whatever), but I might be in the mood for a little
> entertainment. I'd ask them questions, debate with them, ask them how
they
> tested their windows to make the claim of being the best, etc. Usually I
> just say not interested and hang up, but every now and then I'm in the
mood
> to play with them. No, I do not have an ounce of guilt about it. Maybe
you
> just need more time for the no call list to kick in?
>
> --
> Larry C in Auburn, WA
>
> "WD" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > Our phone is not listed in the no call list. We pay the phone company
> > to have our phone number remove from the phone books. Occasionally, we
> > still have telemarketing calling in the evening. This evening I
> > received call from a finance company pouring out his shit.
> >
> > I screwed him, he laughs and pretty soon we were screwing one another.
> > This goes on for more than 10 minutes. I realize that this smart alex
> > will go on forever. So, I call my kid aloud (so the telemarketer could
> > hear) and ask him to use the other phone and call the cop to trace
> > the the caller since his phone ID is "Unknown."
> >
> > The caller immediately hangs up. Some of you may say I deserve it.
> > Yes, I am wrong to screwed him, but how do you stop them? Listing our
> > phone to the no call list will only add our phone to the lists of
> > other authorized caller lists. I believe telemarketing and legitimate
> > company will think twice calling, if their ID is available on all
> > calls.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Wilson writes:
>I heard that telemarketers need to ID their numbers now. It's a new law,
>but not sure when it needs to go into effect. I have caller ID and if the
>display says "UNKNOWN", I don't answer it.
I love that tactic. We moved about 2 years ago. Temp housing for a month, with
a phone we needed to card to get long distance on. Oldest kid has the same deal
with "unknown". Her Mom couldn't talk to her until she e-mailed her that she
was calling. Jesus wept. With the bouncing around in the past 2 years, that
problem has cropped up at least 15 times, including one when I tried to call my
wife from an Ottawa hotel room while she was at the oldest kid's. I think once
more from Disney down in Orlando, too.
I don't think it's really a great solution, obviously. Basically, a PITA unless
your family all use the same phone numbers all the time or are in the local
calling area.
Charlie Self
"All you need in this life is ignorance and confidence, and then success is
sure."
Mark Twain
http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/myhomepage/business.html
I also used the tactic of avoiding UNKNOWN i.d.'s for years 'till the
do not call list came into play. Heck, that was my main motive for
having Caller ID.
My parents use calling cards (AT&T I think, whatever SAM's &
WallyWorld peddle)to call me long distance and I noticed one thing:
The telemarketers ID shows "UNKNOWN --- --- ----" while the calling
card call shows "UNKNOWN 123-456-7890" or some other random number. So
instead of a telephone number or random number, a telemarketer would
show just dashes (or no numbers at all on my other caller ID). Don't
know if this still is the case, but it had been this way for years.
-ghe
Twice last week I had rocket scientists telemarketers call and I ended
up asking them to repeat their phone numbers and names of companies
and both obliged! www.donotcall.gov got the data also.
On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 18:45:21 GMT, [email protected] (Doug Miller)
wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (WD) wrote:
>>On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 14:13:09 GMT, "Larry C in Auburn, WA"
>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>I have two questions:
>>
>>1. I believe if you request your phones be removes from the
>>Telemarketer calling list and if they persist calling, you can sue
>>them under a certain law? Can you or anyone tell me more about it?
>
>Yes, this is true. It's called the Telecommunications Consumer Protection Act
>(do a Google search on that phrase for more info).
>>
>>2. If we listed our phones with the NCL and if a telemarketer calls
>>without an ID, how am I going complain to FCC, what proof do I have?
>
>Get the name of the company and complain.
I use the following:
http://www.telephonetribute.com/audio/sit_disconnected.wav
I recorded it as the first part of my outgoing message. Then if I get a
name I do not know on the Caller ID, I let the answering machine get it.
Their autodialer detects the line being disconnected and they drop the call
so I do not get a blank message on the machine plus they my number remove
from their list. I have been using this for about 6 months plus I put
myself on the do not call list. I only get 5-6 calls a week but with the
political process starting to crank up, I expect that everyone will be
getting more calls. It basically similar to the box that Radio Shack sells
but FREE :-)
Good Luck Everyone.
BTW thanks for all the help on the Rec. I read regularly and have learned
allot. Keep up the great posts.
Sam Brooks
http://pws.chartermi.net/~samuelbrooks/
"Charlie Self" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Just got my second call from a credit card companyi n 2 days. This time,
they
> played a recording after I answered (part of the recording, anyway).
>
> They're pushing some kind of credit card insurance.
>
> I do NOT and never have had the cards they're pushing.
>
> WTF gives? I thought this crap was illegal: last night, it was AT&T, I
didn't
> get the name today, as I just roared "Piss off" and hung up. I'm in the
middle
> of doing charts for a book, and that is enough to make me grouchy anyway.
>
> Charlie Self
> "Brevity is the soul of lingerie." Dorothy Parker
> http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/myhomepage/business.html
What's your number, I'll and talk to ya! Same thing here!!!
--
"Cartoons don't have any deep meaning.
They're just stupid drawings that give you a cheap laugh."
Homer Simpson
Jerry© The Phoneman®
"Silvan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Charlie Self wrote:
>
> > WTF gives? I thought this crap was illegal: last night, it was AT&T, I
>
> Marijuana, cocaine, crack, LSD, underaged drinking, pre-marital sex,
> extra-marital sex, jaywalking, speeding, driving without a seatbelt...
>
> You didn't think making it illegal was actually going to stop it did you?
>
> I just stay on the net all day. Keeps the phone calls down. :)
>
> I hate to hear my phone ring, really. It's always
>
> * my boss
> * one of SWMBO's friends/relations
> * a spammer
>
> Hardly ever anyone else. Nobody except my boss or a spammer *ever* calls
to
> talk to me. <sniff>
>
> --
> Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan <[email protected]>
> Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
> http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/
>
Mark & Juanita wrote:
> Seems a pretty stupid thing to do, you know your customers don't want
> to be bothered, but you feel you have the sacred right to bother them
> anyway since you have an "existing" business relationship? Anyway,
> it motivated me to get in gear and switch LD carriers, a task I was
> planning to do for quite a while anyway.
Well, that worked out well for them, didn't it? It's amazing to me how poorly
they seem to understand people. A similar call motivated me to cancel all of my
long distance service; I no longer have a LD carrier. I've been using
onesuite.com (2.5 cents/minute anywhere in the US/anytime) for a while, but
hadn't gotten rid of the LD carrier because I didn't know I had the option of
not having one at all.
Anyway, that phone call tore it. I called BellSouth and cancelled AT&T. I've
used onesuite (like a calling card) exclusively ever since.
--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN
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