Seeking a Special Chop or Cut-Off Saw

"Joe AutoDrill" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> The other day, some cable TV show about trucks (I think) had this new low
> RPM, no dust cut-off saw that also allowed miter cuts in steel. I can't
> remember the name, but I remember it costing something like $2000 or
> $2500.
>
> Anyone see the show or know of this tool?
>
> Regards,
> Joe Agro, Jr.
> (800) 871-5022
> 01.908.542.0244
> Automatic / Pneumatic Drills: http://www.AutoDrill.com
> Multiple Spindle Drills: http://www.Multi-Drill.com
>
> V8013-R
>
>
>
>
> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

Joe,
You are talking about a cold saw. The blade turns between 30 to 80 rpm or
so. It is really a milling operation. The cut is very smooth and can be
virtually burr free. I've owned 2 SOCOs, a Taiwanese saw but were quite
good quality. The first was auto feed. I once cut 100 pieces of 1-5/8"
cold rolled steel with it, and the machinist measured every one, because he
couldn't believe a saw could hold +- 0.001" over 100 pieces!

The second one was a manual machine with a swivel vice and I cut mostly
aluminum and stainless.

To cut a wide range of materials requires at least 3 different blade
pitches. Too fine and the chip rolls up in the gullet, seizes, and BANG the
blade shatters! Too coarse and the teeth get broken off easily. Blades
cost about $90 but get resharpened for $10 a pop. After they have been
sharpened maybe 10 times they will grind off all the teeth and cut all new
ones, costs about $20 extra. So the blades last a really long time.

A dull blade can shatter as well. For production you really want 9 blades,
3 of each pitch. One goes in the saw, one is a spare, and one is out
getting sharpened from each pitch set. This way you are never down.

Cold saws are great. In my case I used it to eliminate the machining of
both ends of round and rectangular parts by cutting to exact size with a
beautiful finish.

If you have any questions, email me.

Gary H. Lucas

On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 02:41:00 GMT, "Gary H. Lucas" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
>"Joe AutoDrill" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> The other day, some cable TV show about trucks (I think) had this new low
>> RPM, no dust cut-off saw that also allowed miter cuts in steel. I can't
>> remember the name, but I remember it costing something like $2000 or
>> $2500.
>>
>> Anyone see the show or know of this tool?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Joe Agro, Jr.
>> (800) 871-5022
>> 01.908.542.0244
>> Automatic / Pneumatic Drills: http://www.AutoDrill.com
>> Multiple Spindle Drills: http://www.Multi-Drill.com
>>
>> V8013-R
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
>
>Joe,
>You are talking about a cold saw. The blade turns between 30 to 80 rpm or
>so. It is really a milling operation. The cut is very smooth and can be
>virtually burr free. I've owned 2 SOCOs, a Taiwanese saw but were quite
>good quality. The first was auto feed. I once cut 100 pieces of 1-5/8"
>cold rolled steel with it, and the machinist measured every one, because he
>couldn't believe a saw could hold +- 0.001" over 100 pieces!
>
>The second one was a manual machine with a swivel vice and I cut mostly
>aluminum and stainless.
>
>To cut a wide range of materials requires at least 3 different blade
>pitches. Too fine and the chip rolls up in the gullet, seizes, and BANG the
>blade shatters! Too coarse and the teeth get broken off easily. Blades
>cost about $90 but get resharpened for $10 a pop. After they have been
>sharpened maybe 10 times they will grind off all the teeth and cut all new
>ones, costs about $20 extra. So the blades last a really long time.
>
>A dull blade can shatter as well. For production you really want 9 blades,
>3 of each pitch. One goes in the saw, one is a spare, and one is out
>getting sharpened from each pitch set. This way you are never down.
>
>Cold saws are great. In my case I used it to eliminate the machining of
>both ends of round and rectangular parts by cutting to exact size with a
>beautiful finish.
>
>If you have any questions, email me.
>
>Gary H. Lucas

You need to vary the RPM to get the best SFM for the
materials too. One RPM (& saw diameter) does not
fit all (well). Consider cutting fluids too. Is it designed
for wet?
Carbide tools?
--
Cliff

Joe,
Cold saws have been around for a while. Not familiar with the specific
one referred to.

You can also do the aluminum/steel cutting just by changing the blade.
These were really a big deal a few years ago. google for aluminum
chopsaw/skilsaw? I did a quick search and couldn't find the really
popular one. Aluminator is one trade name.

The one I remember a few years ago, they were using a simple hand
skilsaw, with this wicked blade, and ripping through 1/4" & thicker
aluminum plate like hard butter. It was pretty amazing. they were called
shark, alumashark, raptor, something et...

ca



Joe AutoDrill wrote:
> The other day, some cable TV show about trucks (I think) had this new low
> RPM, no dust cut-off saw that also allowed miter cuts in steel. I can't
> remember the name, but I remember it costing something like $2000 or $2500.
>
> Anyone see the show or know of this tool?
>
> Regards,
> Joe Agro, Jr.
> (800) 871-5022
> 01.908.542.0244
> Automatic / Pneumatic Drills: http://www.AutoDrill.com
> Multiple Spindle Drills: http://www.Multi-Drill.com
>
> V8013-R
>
>
>
>
> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

<[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Scotchman makes a nice cold saw. I have one I use on aluminum, which
> works fantastically. I don't cut steel. Scotchman is American made.
>
> http://www.scotchman.com/


Is Scotchman the same as Thomas?

Thomas makes a beautiful one, centering vise, 2 speed: slow and slower.
Pricey, even used. Very heavy, nice to work with. Uses the weight of the
motor head to drive through the work, with a arbor-press like handle to
lift, or apply more force.
Blades are pricey as well, $30+ just to have sharpened.

For thinner alum bar or tube, a regular chop saw + wax works well. or RAS.
Can also use on thicker stuff, if you're careful.

There's another kind of saw, like a chop saw on effing steroids, pneumatic
(iirc), that will cut through 3" bar alum in seconds, using carbide blades
and high-velocity water mist. Sort of unnerving to use, tho, it's so
ferocious--and loud, even with muffs.
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Scotchman makes a nice cold saw. I have one I use on aluminum, which
works fantastically. I don't cut steel. Scotchman is American made.

http://www.scotchman.com/

On Jun 20, 5:02 pm, [email protected] wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 16:57:09 -0400, "Joe AutoDrill"
>
>
>
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >The other day, some cable TV show about trucks (I think) had this new low
> >RPM, no dust cut-off saw that also allowed miter cuts in steel. I can't
> >remember the name, but I remember it costing something like $2000 or $2500.
>
> >Anyone see the show or know of this tool?
>
> >Regards,
> >Joe Agro, Jr.
> >(800) 871-5022
> >01.908.542.0244
> >Automatic / Pneumatic Drills:http://www.AutoDrill.com
> >Multiple Spindle Drills:http://www.Multi-Drill.com
>
> >V8013-R
>
> http://www.doringer.com/products.htm


Yowza- $5000 for the base model (but its a 14 inch, larger than the
ones I posted)


Dave

On Jun 20, 4:57 pm, "Joe AutoDrill" <[email protected]> wrote:
> The other day, some cable TV show about trucks (I think) had this new low
> RPM, no dust cut-off saw that also allowed miter cuts in steel. I can't
> remember the name, but I remember it costing something like $2000 or $2500.
>
> Anyone see the show or know of this tool?
>
> Regards,
> Joe Agro, Jr.
> (800) 871-5022
> 01.908.542.0244
> Automatic / Pneumatic Drills:http://www.AutoDrill.com
> Multiple Spindle Drills:http://www.Multi-Drill.com
>
> V8013-R
>
> ** Posted fromhttp://www.teranews.com**


generic term is a 'cold saw'

$1300
http://www.drillspot.com/products/56260/Wilton_W225_Bench_Cold_Saw

$2700
http://www.mile-x.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=979

$2900
http://www.bii1.com/coldsaws/275m.htm
http://www.penntoolco.com/catalog/products/products.cfm?categoryID=6879

Dave

On Jun 20, 1:57 pm, "Joe AutoDrill" <[email protected]> wrote:
> The other day, some cable TV show about trucks (I think) had this new low
> RPM, no dust cut-off saw that also allowed miter cuts in steel. I can't
> remember the name, but I remember it costing something like $2000 or $2500.
>
> Anyone see the show or know of this tool?
>
> Regards,
> Joe Agro, Jr.
> (800) 871-5022
> 01.908.542.0244
> Automatic / Pneumatic Drills:http://www.AutoDrill.com
> Multiple Spindle Drills:http://www.Multi-Drill.com
>
> V8013-R
>
> ** Posted fromhttp://www.teranews.com**

You want a cold saw. I'm partial to the Scotchman ones. We used to
use a regular woodworking miter saw with a stock fine tooth carbide
blade to cut aluminum extrusions, but after someone used too fast a
feed and sent a couple saw teeth flying into the wall, we finally
looked into getting one. They basically work like a large slitting
saw in a milling machine.

<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:eba016ca-cc0f-4e37-9c6b-12d2002529d4@e39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 20, 4:57 pm, "Joe AutoDrill" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> The other day, some cable TV show about trucks (I think) had this new low
>> RPM, no dust cut-off saw that also allowed miter cuts in steel. I can't
>> remember the name, but I remember it costing something like $2000 or
>> $2500.
>>
>> Anyone see the show or know of this tool?
>
> generic term is a 'cold saw'
>
> $1300
> http://www.drillspot.com/products/56260/Wilton_W225_Bench_Cold_Saw
>
> $2700
> http://www.mile-x.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=979
>
> $2900
> http://www.bii1.com/coldsaws/275m.htm
> http://www.penntoolco.com/catalog/products/products.cfm?categoryID=6879
>
> Dave

http://www.homedepot.ca/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CatalogSearchResultView?D=938762&Ntt=938762&catalogId=10051&langId=-15&storeId=10051&Dx=mode+matchallpartial&Ntx=mode+matchall&recN=0&N=0&Ntk=P_PartNumber

$275 !!! Although I have yet to meet a person who bought and used one. Note
no reviews yet...

--
Michael Koblic,
Campbell River, BC

On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 10:05:15 -0400, "Proctologically Violated®©"
<[email protected]> wrote:

><[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:7fb168c0-3b18-4d29-a69b-081bfa35d10d@e39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>> Scotchman makes a nice cold saw. I have one I use on aluminum, which
>> works fantastically. I don't cut steel. Scotchman is American made.
>>
>> http://www.scotchman.com/
>
>
>Is Scotchman the same as Thomas?
>
>Thomas makes a beautiful one, centering vise, 2 speed: slow and slower.
>Pricey, even used. Very heavy, nice to work with. Uses the weight of the
>motor head to drive through the work, with a arbor-press like handle to
>lift, or apply more force.
>Blades are pricey as well, $30+ just to have sharpened.
>
>For thinner alum bar or tube, a regular chop saw + wax works well. or RAS.
>Can also use on thicker stuff, if you're careful.
>
>There's another kind of saw, like a chop saw on effing steroids, pneumatic
>(iirc), that will cut through 3" bar alum in seconds, using carbide blades
>and high-velocity water mist. Sort of unnerving to use, tho, it's so
>ferocious--and loud, even with muffs.

A controlled programmable *variable* feedrate might
be nice too.
--
Cliff

On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 16:57:09 -0400, "Joe AutoDrill"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>The other day, some cable TV show about trucks (I think) had this new low
>RPM, no dust cut-off saw that also allowed miter cuts in steel. I can't
>remember the name, but I remember it costing something like $2000 or $2500.
>
>Anyone see the show or know of this tool?
>
>Regards,
>Joe Agro, Jr.
>(800) 871-5022
>01.908.542.0244
>Automatic / Pneumatic Drills: http://www.AutoDrill.com
>Multiple Spindle Drills: http://www.Multi-Drill.com
>
>V8013-R
>

http://www.doringer.com/products.htm