I need to finish off the edges on some bookcases. Does anyone have some
suggestions? (Here's the kicker, there's close to 2000' of edging to do.
Some of you may recall that back in November I was asking for advice about
building 50 bookcases for my soon to open bookstore. Now I am starting to
think about how to finish the edging.)
I'm not sure about the glue on laminate. How does it hold up over time? Any
problems, are notes to think about?
I thought about cutting thin strips of hardwood, but then there are
questions about cutting that much hardwood and then glueing all of that
hardwood onto all of those case and shelves. I don't have anywhere near
enough clamps. :) And I don't think brads would look too good on all the
shelves.
My wife came up with a different idea.... She wants me to use a round-over
router bit to round all the edges on the plywood, and then just stain it
like that. She thinks it looks neat with the different layers showing up in
different shades. I'm not keen on that idea, but I said that I would
consider it. (The plywood is really quite a good grade, there are almost no
gaps in the plywood along the edge that would need filling.)
Any other suggestions or comments would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks, Sean.
That's a lot of edging. I would apply a hardwood edge (wider than the
shelf thickness) with a rabbet for added strength. With the weight of
books, the rabbet will add stength and reduce sag. Apply woodworkers
glue and use a nail gun. The small holes are not so bad looking but
you can fill them if desired. Rounding a ply edge won't look too
good.
>From your other post, I had the impression the bookcases are already
assembled. You might want to clear that up as methods will vary
depending. Personally, I don't think a brad's head is that noticable
depending on the edgeband you use. I'm not sure I'd use hardwood to do
it - I'd try to match whatever the plywood is. You may be able to buy
screen beading in the correct species. That comes either beaded or
flat. The beaded kind certainly won't show a few brad heads much.
Jim
Sean, screen beading is just another standard molding. It's made for
finishing wooden screens such as windows & doors. There was screen
stock, which had a notch & groove in it. You'd make the screen frame
with that. Install the screen & then put the screen stock in on top of
the screen to hide where the screen attached. It's 3/4" wide by 1/4"
thick, I think. The profile is either flat with a slight round over or
there is a beaded variety that has 3 beads on the face. I think most
molding head cutters come with a cutter to make the beaded variety, so
that would be another option - make your own in whatever species you
want.
Jim
Hi Sean,
Was wondering how your project was going.
I just completed some shelf edging with oak strips.
First, I ran the router with a round-over bit over
a wide oak board, then sliced off 1/4 inch of that
rounded edge to produce a strip. Repeated that process
over & over producing enough edging - goes very
quickly.
To attach the edging, I simply used glue and a 23 ga
pin nailer which is almost invisble. You may not
have any visible holes to fill or if you do, they will
be very tiny - much smaller than a brad nailer.
Works real well.
Lou
In article <[email protected]>, Sean
<[email protected]> wrote:
> I need to finish off the edges on some bookcases. Does anyone have some
> suggestions? (Here's the kicker, there's close to 2000' of edging to do.
> Some of you may recall that back in November I was asking for advice about
> building 50 bookcases for my soon to open bookstore. Now I am starting to
> think about how to finish the edging.)
> I'm not sure about the glue on laminate. How does it hold up over time? Any
> problems, are notes to think about?
> I thought about cutting thin strips of hardwood, but then there are
> questions about cutting that much hardwood and then glueing all of that
> hardwood onto all of those case and shelves. I don't have anywhere near
> enough clamps. :) And I don't think brads would look too good on all the
> shelves.
> My wife came up with a different idea.... She wants me to use a round-over
> router bit to round all the edges on the plywood, and then just stain it
> like that. She thinks it looks neat with the different layers showing up in
> different shades. I'm not keen on that idea, but I said that I would
> consider it. (The plywood is really quite a good grade, there are almost no
> gaps in the plywood along the edge that would need filling.)
> Any other suggestions or comments would be greatly appreciated.
> Thanks, Sean.
>
>
Thanks for the suggestion. I am putting a stiffening board on the back of
the shelves already.
Thanks, Sean
"Joe User" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I don't know how long the shelves are, or how thick, but you may want to
>use some 1.5" or 2" hardwood 3/4" thick to both hide the plywood edge and
>stiffen the shelf.
>
> Do some googling, but I think you'll find a 3/4" plywood shelf loaded with
> books will sag badly if it's any reasonable length at all (like 18").
>
> -j
What is screen beading? I have not heard of it before?
Thanks,
Sean
"Jim" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> >From your other post, I had the impression the bookcases are already
> assembled. You might want to clear that up as methods will vary
> depending. Personally, I don't think a brad's head is that noticable
> depending on the edgeband you use. I'm not sure I'd use hardwood to do
> it - I'd try to match whatever the plywood is. You may be able to buy
> screen beading in the correct species. That comes either beaded or
> flat. The beaded kind certainly won't show a few brad heads much.
>
> Jim
>
Thanks for all the suggestions! And the links too.
I like your suggestions about using the slot cutting router bit. I think
that's likely the way to go. I had seen some ads for the curved bits you
mentioned, but I wasn't that keen on them. It seems just a little too much
for a simple joint. A slot cutter is simple, yet extremely practical.
I have never heard of that blind nailer before. I think that might be an
excellent idea for a smaller scale project, but it would be too finicky for
such a large scale project. I think I will stick with assembly line clamps
for an hour or two, then move them onto a new piece.
I agree with you about the look of the un-edged plywood, I just wanted a
second opinion for my wife... :)
Thanks for all the suggestions!
Sean.
"Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Sean" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:e5378$4285bb11
>> I need to finish off the edges on some bookcases. Does anyone have some
>> suggestions? (Here's the kicker, there's close to 2000' of edging to do.
>
> Veneer stripping (iron on or glue on) comes in rolls. Depending on the
> time
> you have at hand, you can do it manually or purchase a lower end edge
> banding machine to do it. They're not as expensive as some might think.
> The
> following link gives some hand tools that are useful with veneer
> stripping.
> http://www.refinishfurniture.com/kitchen_cabinet_refacing_tools.htm
>
>> I'm not sure about the glue on laminate. How does it hold up over time?
> Any
>> problems, are notes to think about?
>
> I've used it frequently. Some don't like it, but I've never had any
> problems
> with it coming off if it's applied properly. Of course, books slid off a
> shelf on a repeated basis might case more friction and wear than what I'd
> normally apply to one of my edging projects.
>
>> I thought about cutting thin strips of hardwood, but then there are
>> questions about cutting that much hardwood and then glueing all of that
>
> For what you have to do, I think this would be the fastest method if you
> have the tools. A tablesaw, a router and a slot cutting bit are all that's
> needed. The tablesaw cuts the strips of hardwood, the router and slot
> cutting bit to cut the plywood edge and the hard wood strip edge. Then all
> you need is a simple spline to join the two. It's a very strong attachment
> method. Clamping would only be necessary every few feet and need only be
> clamped ten minutes at a time. If you organized it properly, the clamps
> would be moved along in a production process.
>
> There are other router bits that are designed for edging, one part is
> convex, one part is concave. Also works out well if it's done properly,
> but
> not as strong or as easy as the spline method in my opinion.
> http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.aspx?c=1&p=50698&cat=1,46168,46174
>
>> hardwood onto all of those case and shelves. I don't have anywhere near
>> enough clamps. :) And I don't think brads would look too good on all the
>> shelves.
>
> I've applied hardwood strips and used a blind nailer to attach them. This
> is
> something I've used frequently and have been very satisfied with it.
> http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.aspx?c=1&p=32683&cat=1,41182
>
> With a little bit of practice, the points where the nails are inserted are
> virtually invisible. When I get up to speed, I can attach about 10' per 10
> minutes. Of course, the 2000' that you have works out to over 33 hours at
> best speed. Not something I'd want to do unless I was working on really
> fine
> furniture for my own use and presentation.
>
>> My wife came up with a different idea.... She wants me to use a
>> round-over
>> router bit to round all the edges on the plywood, and then just stain it
>
> To be honest, I think it looks a little cheap. What might be normally be
> taken as a nice looking hardwood shelf will instantly be recognized as
> plywood.
>
>
I like your idea about having it extend about 1/8" of an inch below the
bottom of the shelves to reduce my workload. That saves quite a bit of work.
It still leaves the sides and top of the cases, but that is a much smaller
job.
I am just in the middle of building them right now. It's taken since
november to:
- Move to a new house 5 hours away & unpack
- tear down walls and put up new walls in the place where my store will be.
- paint walls and ceiling - (2 coats x 2500 sq feet ceiling and 2 coats of
2500 sq feet of wall space = over 10,000 sq feet of painting. I lost track
of how much paint after the first 30 gallons.)
- lay 2500 sq feet of laminate flooring
- build cabinets for the display and check out counters.
- and the list goes on, and on, and on... :)
My wife and I have been doing 95% of the work ourselves, but the crunch is
coming. We are opening in 46 days and still have a ton of stuff to do.
Thanks for the suggestions.
Sean
"Walt Cheever" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:f3mhe.78422$NU4.13713@attbi_s22...
> Sean,
>
> I've seen problems with laminate where it protrudes a tiny bit above the
> level of the shelf, and books or other objects sliding off the shelf catch
> it and pull it away or crack it.
>
> I'd tend to go with wood, use brads, set them and putty the hole after
> finishing. Most people are looking at the books after all. Shouldn't
> need much for clamping then. Or you could clamp for 3 hours then reuse
> the clamps.
>
> Or, better yet, here's an excuse to improve your clamp collection!!!
>
> To avoid having to do a lot of surface matching, I'd make the edge wider
> than the board is, then carefully align the top surface and let the bottom
> surface of the edge extend by 1/8" or so (so it looks planned) below the
> bottom of the shelf.
>
> Has it taken from November to now to build the bookcases? You are a
> devoted father!
>
>
>
> Walt C
>
>
> "Sean" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>I need to finish off the edges on some bookcases. Does anyone have some
>>suggestions? (Here's the kicker, there's close to 2000' of edging to do.
>>Some of you may recall that back in November I was asking for advice about
>>building 50 bookcases for my soon to open bookstore. Now I am starting to
>>think about how to finish the edging.)
>> I'm not sure about the glue on laminate. How does it hold up over time?
>> Any problems, are notes to think about?
>> I thought about cutting thin strips of hardwood, but then there are
>> questions about cutting that much hardwood and then glueing all of that
>> hardwood onto all of those case and shelves. I don't have anywhere near
>> enough clamps. :) And I don't think brads would look too good on all the
>> shelves.
>> My wife came up with a different idea.... She wants me to use a
>> round-over router bit to round all the edges on the plywood, and then
>> just stain it like that. She thinks it looks neat with the different
>> layers showing up in different shades. I'm not keen on that idea, but I
>> said that I would consider it. (The plywood is really quite a good grade,
>> there are almost no gaps in the plywood along the edge that would need
>> filling.)
>> Any other suggestions or comments would be greatly appreciated.
>> Thanks, Sean.
>>
>
>
Sean says...
> I need to finish off the edges on some bookcases. Does anyone have some
> suggestions? (Here's the kicker, there's close to 2000' of edging to do.
> Some of you may recall that back in November I was asking for advice about
> building 50 bookcases for my soon to open bookstore. Now I am starting to
> think about how to finish the edging.)
> I'm not sure about the glue on laminate. How does it hold up over time? Any
> problems, are notes to think about?
> I thought about cutting thin strips of hardwood, but then there are
> questions about cutting that much hardwood and then glueing all of that
> hardwood onto all of those case and shelves. I don't have anywhere near
> enough clamps. :) And I don't think brads would look too good on all the
> shelves.
For edging you can use tape instead of clamps.
I don't know how long the shelves are, or how thick, but you may want to
use some 1.5" or 2" hardwood 3/4" thick to both hide the plywood edge
and stiffen the shelf.
Do some googling, but I think you'll find a 3/4" plywood shelf loaded
with books will sag badly if it's any reasonable length at all (like 18").
-j
Sean,
I've seen problems with laminate where it protrudes a tiny bit above the
level of the shelf, and books or other objects sliding off the shelf catch
it and pull it away or crack it.
I'd tend to go with wood, use brads, set them and putty the hole after
finishing. Most people are looking at the books after all. Shouldn't need
much for clamping then. Or you could clamp for 3 hours then reuse the
clamps.
Or, better yet, here's an excuse to improve your clamp collection!!!
To avoid having to do a lot of surface matching, I'd make the edge wider
than the board is, then carefully align the top surface and let the bottom
surface of the edge extend by 1/8" or so (so it looks planned) below the
bottom of the shelf.
Has it taken from November to now to build the bookcases? You are a devoted
father!
Walt C
"Sean" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I need to finish off the edges on some bookcases. Does anyone have some
>suggestions? (Here's the kicker, there's close to 2000' of edging to do.
>Some of you may recall that back in November I was asking for advice about
>building 50 bookcases for my soon to open bookstore. Now I am starting to
>think about how to finish the edging.)
> I'm not sure about the glue on laminate. How does it hold up over time?
> Any problems, are notes to think about?
> I thought about cutting thin strips of hardwood, but then there are
> questions about cutting that much hardwood and then glueing all of that
> hardwood onto all of those case and shelves. I don't have anywhere near
> enough clamps. :) And I don't think brads would look too good on all the
> shelves.
> My wife came up with a different idea.... She wants me to use a round-over
> router bit to round all the edges on the plywood, and then just stain it
> like that. She thinks it looks neat with the different layers showing up
> in different shades. I'm not keen on that idea, but I said that I would
> consider it. (The plywood is really quite a good grade, there are almost
> no gaps in the plywood along the edge that would need filling.)
> Any other suggestions or comments would be greatly appreciated.
> Thanks, Sean.
>
"Sean" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:e5378$4285bb11
> I need to finish off the edges on some bookcases. Does anyone have some
> suggestions? (Here's the kicker, there's close to 2000' of edging to do.
Veneer stripping (iron on or glue on) comes in rolls. Depending on the time
you have at hand, you can do it manually or purchase a lower end edge
banding machine to do it. They're not as expensive as some might think. The
following link gives some hand tools that are useful with veneer stripping.
http://www.refinishfurniture.com/kitchen_cabinet_refacing_tools.htm
> I'm not sure about the glue on laminate. How does it hold up over time?
Any
> problems, are notes to think about?
I've used it frequently. Some don't like it, but I've never had any problems
with it coming off if it's applied properly. Of course, books slid off a
shelf on a repeated basis might case more friction and wear than what I'd
normally apply to one of my edging projects.
> I thought about cutting thin strips of hardwood, but then there are
> questions about cutting that much hardwood and then glueing all of that
For what you have to do, I think this would be the fastest method if you
have the tools. A tablesaw, a router and a slot cutting bit are all that's
needed. The tablesaw cuts the strips of hardwood, the router and slot
cutting bit to cut the plywood edge and the hard wood strip edge. Then all
you need is a simple spline to join the two. It's a very strong attachment
method. Clamping would only be necessary every few feet and need only be
clamped ten minutes at a time. If you organized it properly, the clamps
would be moved along in a production process.
There are other router bits that are designed for edging, one part is
convex, one part is concave. Also works out well if it's done properly, but
not as strong or as easy as the spline method in my opinion.
http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.aspx?c=1&p=50698&cat=1,46168,46174
> hardwood onto all of those case and shelves. I don't have anywhere near
> enough clamps. :) And I don't think brads would look too good on all the
> shelves.
I've applied hardwood strips and used a blind nailer to attach them. This is
something I've used frequently and have been very satisfied with it.
http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.aspx?c=1&p=32683&cat=1,41182
With a little bit of practice, the points where the nails are inserted are
virtually invisible. When I get up to speed, I can attach about 10' per 10
minutes. Of course, the 2000' that you have works out to over 33 hours at
best speed. Not something I'd want to do unless I was working on really fine
furniture for my own use and presentation.
> My wife came up with a different idea.... She wants me to use a round-over
> router bit to round all the edges on the plywood, and then just stain it
To be honest, I think it looks a little cheap. What might be normally be
taken as a nice looking hardwood shelf will instantly be recognized as
plywood.