Festool, DeWalt, or Makita?

"Max" <[email protected]> wrote in news:4bc1de0e$0$19156$c3e8da3
@news.astraweb.com:

>
> I have just enough $$ left over to buy some raw material
> .........................and some brads.
>
> Max
>

Think how much you can save if you don't put a finish on your wood! :-)

Puckdropper
--
Never teach your apprentice everything you know.

On Mar 30, 10:37=A0pm, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:

> Then again, I'm getting to be a softy in my old age:
>
> http://picasaweb.google.com/karlcaillouet/SadieBelle#5451560276095952578
>
> :)
>

Yup, I know what you mean. Moxie was done playing with me and went
looking for Angela just to find herself locked out of Ang's study.
Dawg KNEW Ang was in there and sniffed at the bottom of the door,
whimpered a little and became quite silent.
Half an hour went by and next thing I know, Ang was calling me to come
take a look. Moxie had laid out a half dozen of her very favourite
toys along the closed door for her. Those dogs give back so much when
you treat them well.

On Mar 31, 10:35=A0pm, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> New, to me, Festool site:
>
> http://www.tracksaw.com/?ref=3Dfog
>
> --www.e-woodshop.net
> Last update: 10/22/08
> KarlC@ (the obvious)

There is no doubt in my mind that it, together with the Festool table,
could be the finest piece of woodworking machinery available... period.

On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 22:03:35 -0700, the infamous "LDosser"
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:

>"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...

>> I can't wait to win the system in the sweeps.
>
>Didn't I just tell you the top prize is only $6,000? You won't be able to
>Afford the System ...

Sorry. I meant "A sub-system."

--
It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent,
but the one most responsive to change.
-- Charles Darwin

On Tue, 30 Mar 2010 21:10:57 -0500, the infamous Morris Dovey
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:

>On 3/30/2010 8:38 PM, Max wrote:
>
>> I like your suggestion but I think I would have a difficult time
>> implementing it.
>
>I cheated with mine (and I didn't need a nine-footer) - I clamped a 4x8
>sheet of 3/4" BB to my base board, slapped my 8' pre-drilled 3/4" angle

Whassa "3/4 BB", Mawwwwwriss?


>up against that, and screwed it down while holding the angle against the
>plywood edge.
>
>Then I unclamped the plywood and used my circular saw to trim the width
>of the base board.

The porch frame I just put in was 1.5" out of square. I built it that
way because the porch roof/railing/uprights were all skewed and the
roof would have looked out of square if I'd built it properly. <sigh>
So, I needed to rip a couple of six foot tubasixes. Nix the SCMS. Nix
the Ryobi portable table saur. Nix the Tiger saw. Nix the ryoba. Nix
the pruning saw. Nix the razor knife. Nix the Zona saw. Nix the
drywall saw. And nix the fret saw. Hmm...what else do I carry?

OK, the ancient Skilsaw gets the job. (Not a hard choice. ;)

I put another piece of tubasix up against the piece I wanted to cut
and used it as the straightedge with a very dull HF blade. After the
smoke cleared, I put on a new blade that night. The other stick cut
in about 1/4 the time, and without any of the smoke. Amazing!
(Note to self: remember to replace the blades you use with new ones so
you'll have them in the truck when you need them.)


>It's straight enough. :)

That's exactly what I said and the owner concurred. He added "It's
only a rental unit."

--
May those who love us, love us;
And may those that don't love us,
May God turn their hearts;
And if he doesn't turn their hearts,
may he turn their ankles,
So we'll know them by their limping.
--old Gaelic blessing

On Apr 1, 12:29=A0am, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:3f6b20ba-8539-4008-b84d-8682ca28ea33@u31g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
>
> Grrrrrrrrrr...I SO remember being heckled in here for buying up-market
> Festool...I was labelled a braggart and that..... (I didn't really
> care because I KNEW that some day I would be vindicated....that day
> has come... 'gloat, gloat'.)
>
> Yeah'but it will be canceled out with your view towards Sketchup. =A0;~)

Yabbut for me to go to Sketchup would be similar to your going from
your Festool sander to a Black & Decker.

btw.. I DO see the positive side of SU.

On Apr 22, 2:11=A0pm, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 4/22/2010 12:42 PM, Robatoy wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 22, 11:18 am, Swingman<[email protected]> =A0wrote:
> >> Hey Leon ... How's that new TS75 doing?
>
> >> Wanna race??
>
> >> :)
>
> >> --www.e-woodshop.net
> >> Last update: 4/15/2010
> >> KarlC@ (the obvious)
>
> > He didn't!!
> > .
> > .
> > .
> > .
> > .
> > .
> > .
> > did he?
>
> No eye witness, or photographic evidence, but, by jove, I do believe he d=
id!
>
> --www.e-woodshop.net
> Last update: 4/15/2010
> KarlC@ (the obvious)

Well then... if he did, he might finally get around to building some
bedroom furniture, eh?
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
*G*

On Mar 31, 8:04=A0pm, "Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*[email protected]>
wrote:
> "Robatoy" =A0wrote
>
> Grrrrrrrrrr...I SO remember being heckled in here for buying up-market
> Festool...I was labelled a braggart and that..... (I didn't really
> care because I KNEW that some day I would be vindicated....that day
> has come... 'gloat, gloat'.)
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>
> Hey..., =A0aren't you the guy who does those computer generated systainer
> images?

You mean the Festool Fridge?

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/Fridgstainer.jpg

On Mar 31, 7:04=A0pm, "Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*[email protected]>
wrote:
> "Leon" =A0wrote
>
> > =A0You can stack and lock together 6' of Festool tools on top of a Fest=
ool
> > CT 33 or CT 22 shop vac. =A0I'm up to about 2' and I am about ready to =
add
> > another foot with the TS55 saw. =A0That will leave me 3 more feet for m=
ore
> > tools. =A0;~)
>
> Not to worry Leon.
>
> When you get to 6 foot of systainers, just get the Festool step ladder! =
=A0LOL
>
> I understand completely the concept of buying quality tools.

Grrrrrrrrrr...I SO remember being heckled in here for buying up-market
Festool...I was labelled a braggart and that..... (I didn't really
care because I KNEW that some day I would be vindicated....that day
has come... 'gloat, gloat'.)

On Fri, 2 Apr 2010 14:15:56 -0500, "Leon" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
>"Mike M" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 17:26:33 -0500, "Leon" <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>Snip
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Gawd. I'm still using Dad's old Crapsman aluminum circ saw with HF
>>>> carbide ($1.99 on sale) blades on it. Oh, I did buy a $24 aluminum
>>>> cutting guide and am using $1.50 HF bar clamps on it.
>>>>
>>>> The thought of plunkin' down $625 (Holy Shit, $1,079 with shop vac!
>>>> Amazon price today) to replace that setup just chills me to the bone.
>>>> Would I accept one in trade? You betcha. (Damn, my crowbars just
>>>> burst into tears again. Gotta go.)
>>>
>>>
>>>Seriousely, I use'ta think that way. Then I thought to myself, are you
>>>tired of fooling around with marginal tools? Tired of working in a dust
>>>cloud? Tired of listening to a LOUD shop vac?
>>>
>>>I'm worth it.
>>>
>> This is so true. Mainly working as an eletrician before I got hurt I
>> bought the best tools I could. Even if it was something the employer
>> was supposed to furnish I had my own so I didn't have to share it.
>> Used to piss people off, but having my own tools paid off many times
>> if nothing more then not wasting time and getting home earlier. Not
>> to mention higher productivity translated to a higher wage. Now I'm
>> looking at Festool for the saw and domino of solving some issues and
>> opening some doors. At 60 I'm trying to minimize the things that
>> aggavate me. LOL
>>
>> Mike M
>
>Two excellent starter choices but don't forget the Festool vac, a serious
>tool that is necessary with the Domino, or any shop vac. The Domino needs
>to have the chips cleared out and the vac does an excellent job. But the
>Festool vac is very quiet.
>
>Then you are going to want to replace your sanders..... LOL
>
>
>
I figured I would get the Festool vac with which ever tool I bought
first. I've eyeballed the sanders as well. That part of my
operation is pretty dirty and hard to clean up. Hopefully I can take
advantage of the 10% available this month. And the funny part is
Obama will be paying for it. Since I got hurt at the beginning of
2009 I had very little income and my taxable income is $0. Workmens
Comp isn't taxable. They are refunding not just what I paid in but
more then twice that amount. I actually called the IRS hot line
because I couldn't believe they were doing that. Should just about
cover the saw and a vac. 8-)

Mike M

On Thu, 01 Apr 2010 17:43:38 -0500, the infamous Swingman
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:

>On 3/31/2010 11:22 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
>
>> once. Egad, though, they just overprice the living SHIT out of 'em,
>> though. It's like asking what's his butt if I could pay double for
>> his safe saw. It just doesn't seem _moral_ to pay that much.</huff>
>> (or right or sane)
>
>Au contraire ... the necessary shop equipment to make ALL the quality
>cuts that the Festool plunge saw/guide rail system is capable of would
>cost a minimum of $5k to $30k, PLUS you can take all those top quality
>cuts to the job site in one small package.
>
>The truth of the matter, for the professional, is that Festool plunge
>saw is worth at least three times the current cost of the tool, with a
>dust extractor thrown in.
>
>Anyone who contends otherwise simply does not fully grasp what this tool
>is capable of delivering, equally in the shop, or on site.

So, you _like_ Festool, do ya, Swingy? I thought so.

--
It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent,
but the one most responsive to change.
-- Charles Darwin

On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 23:27:11 -0500, the infamous "Leon"
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:

>
>"Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*nadaspam*@comcast.net> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>
>> "Leon" wrote
>>>
>>> You can stack and lock together 6' of Festool tools on top of a Festool
>>> CT 33 or CT 22 shop vac. I'm up to about 2' and I am about ready to add
>>> another foot with the TS55 saw. That will leave me 3 more feet for more
>>> tools. ;~)
>>>
>> Not to worry Leon.
>>
>> When you get to 6 foot of systainers, just get the Festool step ladder!
>> LOL
>>
>> I understand completely the concept of buying quality tools.
>
>
>There is a ladder??? ;~)

Yeah, it's in the Festool website section next to the klieg lights.
One knows that the proper tool needs the proper lighting.

--
It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent,
but the one most responsive to change.
-- Charles Darwin

Hey Max, what did you decide to do?

Let us know ... :)


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KarlC@ (the obvious)

"Morris Dovey" <[email protected]> wrote

>
> Save some of your hard-earned cash - just replace the 1 x 4 with a piece
> of 1/8" x 1-1/2" aluminum angle.
>
> --
> Morris Dovey
> DeSoto Solar
> DeSoto, Iowa USA
> http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/


Every piece of angle aluminum I've had access to wasn't *exactly* straight.
I need a "benchmark". a "master", "something" that's absolutely straight. I
do a little metal work now and then and I have several pieces of angle iron
of various sizes. None of them are straight enough for me and that includes
an 10' piece of 2X2 square tube, 12 gauge. Even it has a slight bow in it.
I paid $20 for a 10' piece of 1X2 aluminum tube that I thought would work
but it had a slight bow.
I like your suggestion but I think I would have a difficult time
implementing it.

Max

"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote

> Lord have mercy! If you can stand the freight, run, don't walk, to get
> the Festool FS55 or FS75!
>
> The guide rails come with all that stuff and I've cut a lot of sheet goods
> (and even tubafours and sheathing) thus far with no inkling of having to
> replace any of those components.
>
> There are a world of videos on youtube ... check'em out.
>
> Festool will put a smile on your face ... GUARANTEED!
>
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> KarlC@ (the obvious)

Well, *if* I go with the Festool, it will be the FS75. I've read where the
smaller one seems underpowered.
Thanks for the recommendation.
Question:
Will a 1-1/4" vac hose fit the Festool ?
I have enough shop vacs of various sizes that I'd hate to have to get the
festool vac just for the saw.
Question?
I would be ordering online. Can the 102" guide rail be shipped with
*reasonable* expectation that it won't get damaged?

Max

"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 3/30/2010 8:57 PM, Max wrote:
>
>> Well, *if* I go with the Festool, it will be the FS75. I've read where
>> the smaller one seems underpowered.
>
> I don't think it is, but I have FS75, mainly due to the extra depth of
> cut. I am a firm believer in "batch cutting" as a means of maintaining
> 'square" in cabinet components, and this extra depth allows me to cut more
> stock at a time.
>
>> Thanks for the recommendation.
>> Question:
>> Will a 1-1/4" vac hose fit the Festool ?
>
> I can't answer that from personal experience. I bought the smaller vac
> (CT22E) mainly because Leon's advise, and due to the "fit" with all the
> other tools, and I have a large dust collector in the shop for the heavy
> work ... and I have plans to switch over to mostly Festool on things like
> routers, jigsaw, etc. as jobs, and finances, permit, which work with
> either Festool vac. (I may be dreaming here, but what the hell)
>
> I will say that Leon ordered, for both of us, an adapter that fits the
> Kreg pocket hole jig so either of the Festool vacs can be used with it, so
> I think you may be OK in that regard.
>
> Perhaps he will chime in here.

Excellent!

> I got the 75" guide rail with the FS75, and bought an extra 55" guide
> rail, along with the kit for joining guide rails. This gives me more than
> enough flexibility for the longest diagonal cut on a 4 x 8 sheet of
> plywood, and the ease of use of the 55" on a 4 x 4 sheet, or smaller,
> sheet.
>
> These guide rails excel at diagonal cuts that you can't do on a table saw
> ... something I've been beating my head against, looking for a solution,
> for years.
>
> All my Festool stuff thus far were purchased locally at Rockler, but I
> have the shipping boxes for both guide rails and they are stout enough to
> make pretty good containers for general shop use, if not for long term
> offsite use.

Good news.

> Let me know if you have any more questions ... this Festool stuff is dear
> to my heart .. even the cons far outweigh the pros of most of the tools
> built today.
>
> Then again, I'm getting to be a softy in my old age:
>
> http://picasaweb.google.com/karlcaillouet/SadieBelle#5451560276095952578

Cute as a...........dare I say...kitten?

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> KarlC@ (the obvious)

Thanks,

Max

"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote


>The 75 model Festool is not far away. I have used it and there is no
>equal.

>"A lot of the attraction comes from its dustcontrol."

A winner all by itself!

Max

"DGDevin" wrote
>
> "Max" wrote
>> Some input would be appreciated.
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Max
>
> I have several of these cutting guides in various lengths, they make one
> long enough to do a sheet of plywood the long way. They also have adapter
> plates for circular saws and routers that really lock the tool to the
> guide, although so far I've been able to keep such tools tight enough to
> the guide that I haven't needed the plates. Not as nice as the saw-guide
> systems, but somewhat less expensive.
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Clamp-50-Inch-Grip-Guide-T-track/dp/B0000DYV40
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Clamp-99-Inch-Ultra-Double-T-Track/dp/B0000DYV3W/ref=pd_cp_hi_3
>
> http://www.amazon.com/All-Clamp-9-Inch-12-Inch-Plate/dp/B0000DYVCQ/ref=pd_bxgy_hi_img_c


I think the dust collection feature will be the clincher.
But thanks for that info.

Max

"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Max" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> I've been using a shop-made, 9 foot long, guide to cut plywood, etc.
>> It's just a 1x4 screwed to 1/2 inch Baltic Birch ply. The edge of the
>> 1X4 has acquired a slight groove where the foot of the circular saw runs
>> against it.
>> I remember the job it was making the guide and getting it absolutely
>> straight.
>> I'm not particularly interested in doing it again.
>>
>> I'm pondering the purchase of a Plunge/"track" saw.
>> But I see descriptions of "anti splinter" strips, glide strips, high
>> friction strips and other "add-ons" or replacements.
>> Do I really need all that extra crap.
>> I'm almost tempted to buy just the "track" and use the same saw
>> (Milwaukee *left* blade) I've been using but I thought the plunge ability
>> and other advantages would be worth the money.
>> Some input would be appreciated.
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Max
>>
>
>
> What are you looking for exactly?

Well, I *was* looking for a *straight* edge; something to guide my circular
saw when cutting panel goods.
Now that I've been shown the advantages, especially dust collection, of the
"track" saws, I'm strongly inclined toward the purchase of one.

> Do you simply want to cut straight lines? Renew what you have.
>
> Would you like to get a saw that delivers a cut quality that might be
> better than your TS? Look to one of the new track saws.
>
> I am partial to the Festool saw, they have had the idea in use since the
> 60's.
> The track guide pretty much stays where you put it with out clamps, but
> you can use clamps.
> The track sets up on the line you want to cut, there is no off set
> measurements needed.
> The track helps to prevent tear out on the top inner side of the cut. The
> saw has a replaceable piece that prevents tear out on the outer side of
> the cut. I have seen Swingman's saw work and it cuts oak plywood as good
> as what my cabinet saw does and I don't have to sand or clean up my cuts.
> The saw easily makes plunge cuts and stopped cuts.
>
> Beginning April 1 through May 31 Festool is offering a 10% off sale on
> both of their Track saws and accessories for those saws. I'll probably be
> getting the TS55 saw.

I'm leaning toward the TS75. In fact, I'm about to fall.

Max

"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Go ahead and get the Festool vac! LOL. You will probably not use the
> others again... the Festool vac works really well and is "quiet".
> Typically the power tool drowns out the noise of the vac.

Hey!!
I'm lucky to get away with the expense of the saw, never mind the vac.
At some point in time............................

Max

"Leon" wrote
>
> You can stack and lock together 6' of Festool tools on top of a Festool
> CT 33 or CT 22 shop vac. I'm up to about 2' and I am about ready to add
> another foot with the TS55 saw. That will leave me 3 more feet for more
> tools. ;~)
>
Not to worry Leon.

When you get to 6 foot of systainers, just get the Festool step ladder! LOL

I understand completely the concept of buying quality tools.

"Robatoy" wrote

Grrrrrrrrrr...I SO remember being heckled in here for buying up-market
Festool...I was labelled a braggart and that..... (I didn't really
care because I KNEW that some day I would be vindicated....that day
has come... 'gloat, gloat'.)
===================

Hey..., aren't you the guy who does those computer generated systainer
images?

"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hey Max, what did you decide to do?
>
> Let us know ... :)
>
>
> --
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> Last update: 10/22/08
> KarlC@ (the obvious)


Yes, I decided. Now you can sit back and smirk.

I'm going to Albuquerque soon and will be picking it up. TS 75 (w/75") plus
55" track and connectors.
Got tired of pissing around with homemade compromises. {:-)

Max (the big spender)

"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote
> Max wrote:

>> Got tired of pissing around with homemade compromises. {:-)
>>
>> Max (the big spender)
>
> Misery, and broke, loves company! ;)
>
>
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> KarlC@ (the obvious)

Misery? With a new Festool thingamajig?

Max (grinning)

"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote
> Max wrote:
>>>
>>> Misery, and broke, loves company! ;)
>>
>> Misery? With a new Festool thingamajig?
>>
>> Max (grinning)
>
> "broke" being the operative word in this case. :)
>
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> KarlC@ (the obvious)

I have just enough $$ left over to buy some raw material
.........................and some brads.

Max

"Puckdropper" <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Max" <[email protected]> wrote in news:4bc1de0e$0$19156$c3e8da3
> @news.astraweb.com:
>
>>
>> I have just enough $$ left over to buy some raw material
>> .........................and some brads.
>>
>> Max
>>
>
> Think how much you can save if you don't put a finish on your wood! :-)
>
> Puckdropper
> --
> Never teach your apprentice everything you know.


Are you being flippant?

Max (I'm not finished)

"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote
> the infamous "Max" let his cat tiptoe across the keyboard and produce:

>>I'm going to Albuquerque soon and will be picking it up. TS 75 (w/75")
>>plus
>>55" track and connectors.
>>Got tired of pissing around with homemade compromises. {:-)
>
> Max, aren't you forgetting a Festering SuperSucker?
>
> --
> Climb the mountains and get their good tidings. Nature's peace
> will flow into you as sunshine flows into trees. The winds will
> blow their own freshness into you, and the storms their energy,
> while cares will drop away from you like the leaves of Autumn.
-- John Muir


The SuperSucker will have to wait for a few more paydays.
I already have more vacs than the Hoover company.
The Missus would not only think I've lost my mind; she would be convinced.

Max (she might be right)

"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Hey Leon ... How's that new TS75 doing?
>
> Wanna race??
>
> :)
>
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> Last update: 4/15/2010
> KarlC@ (the obvious)


Mine arrives tomorrow.
TS75, plus 55" guide *and* 32" guide.

Max

On Mar 31, 1:18=A0pm, "Max" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> I'm leaning toward the TS75. In fact, I'm about to fall.
>
> Max

See you on the Other Side....

On 3/30/2010 11:17 PM, Robatoy wrote:
> On Mar 30, 10:37 pm, Swingman<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Then again, I'm getting to be a softy in my old age:
>>
>> http://picasaweb.google.com/karlcaillouet/SadieBelle#5451560276095952578
>>
>> :)
>>
>
> Yup, I know what you mean. Moxie was done playing with me and went
> looking for Angela just to find herself locked out of Ang's study.
> Dawg KNEW Ang was in there and sniffed at the bottom of the door,
> whimpered a little and became quite silent.
> Half an hour went by and next thing I know, Ang was calling me to come
> take a look. Moxie had laid out a half dozen of her very favourite
> toys along the closed door for her. Those dogs give back so much when
> you treat them well.

This tiny rascal has me wrapped around her little finger like no coon
dog or hunting dog ever did. She actually belongs to our youngest
daughter, who is staying here while recuperating from surgery, but since
they only live three blocks away, in the house on the same property as
the shop, I take care of the pup just as much, if not more, than she.

It was love at first sight ... I can't hep it. :)

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On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 17:26:33 -0500, "Leon" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
>"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>Snip
>
>>
>> Gawd. I'm still using Dad's old Crapsman aluminum circ saw with HF
>> carbide ($1.99 on sale) blades on it. Oh, I did buy a $24 aluminum
>> cutting guide and am using $1.50 HF bar clamps on it.
>>
>> The thought of plunkin' down $625 (Holy Shit, $1,079 with shop vac!
>> Amazon price today) to replace that setup just chills me to the bone.
>> Would I accept one in trade? You betcha. (Damn, my crowbars just
>> burst into tears again. Gotta go.)
>
>
>Seriousely, I use'ta think that way. Then I thought to myself, are you
>tired of fooling around with marginal tools? Tired of working in a dust
>cloud? Tired of listening to a LOUD shop vac?
>
>I'm worth it.
>
This is so true. Mainly working as an eletrician before I got hurt I
bought the best tools I could. Even if it was something the employer
was supposed to furnish I had my own so I didn't have to share it.
Used to piss people off, but having my own tools paid off many times
if nothing more then not wasting time and getting home earlier. Not
to mention higher productivity translated to a higher wage. Now I'm
looking at Festool for the saw and domino of solving some issues and
opening some doors. At 60 I'm trying to minimize the things that
aggavate me. LOL

Mike M

On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 17:19:35 -0500, the infamous "Leon"
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:

>
>"Max" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>
>>> What are you looking for exactly?
>>
>> Well, I *was* looking for a *straight* edge; something to guide my
>> circular saw when cutting panel goods.
>> Now that I've been shown the advantages, especially dust collection, of
>> the "track" saws, I'm strongly inclined toward the purchase of one.
>
>The dust collection is wonderful. I added a dusto collector to my shop
>about 5 years ago after dealing with it for the previous 25 years. 3 years
>ago I bought the Festool Domino and the CT22 Festool vac. 2 years ago I
>started adding the Rotex Sander and Festool finish sander. Quiet and I no
>longer get dusty. I no longer have to clean up before going insde at the
>end of the day. I no longer have to blow out the shop befor applying a
>finish to a fresh sanded project.

That's saying something.


>The really cool thing about Festool tools is that they address and fix many
>problems that you did not realize you had.

Great!


>Storage a problem? You can stack and lock together 6' of Festool tools on
>top of a Festool CT 33 or CT 22 shop vac. I'm up to about 2' and I am about
>ready to add another foot with the TS55 saw. That will leave me 3 more feet
>for more tools. ;~)

I can't wait to win the system in the sweeps.

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And may those that don't love us,
May God turn their hearts;
And if he doesn't turn their hearts,
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"Mike M" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 17:26:33 -0500, "Leon" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>Snip
>>
>>>
>>> Gawd. I'm still using Dad's old Crapsman aluminum circ saw with HF
>>> carbide ($1.99 on sale) blades on it. Oh, I did buy a $24 aluminum
>>> cutting guide and am using $1.50 HF bar clamps on it.
>>>
>>> The thought of plunkin' down $625 (Holy Shit, $1,079 with shop vac!
>>> Amazon price today) to replace that setup just chills me to the bone.
>>> Would I accept one in trade? You betcha. (Damn, my crowbars just
>>> burst into tears again. Gotta go.)
>>
>>
>>Seriousely, I use'ta think that way. Then I thought to myself, are you
>>tired of fooling around with marginal tools? Tired of working in a dust
>>cloud? Tired of listening to a LOUD shop vac?
>>
>>I'm worth it.
>>
> This is so true. Mainly working as an eletrician before I got hurt I
> bought the best tools I could. Even if it was something the employer
> was supposed to furnish I had my own so I didn't have to share it.
> Used to piss people off, but having my own tools paid off many times
> if nothing more then not wasting time and getting home earlier. Not
> to mention higher productivity translated to a higher wage. Now I'm
> looking at Festool for the saw and domino of solving some issues and
> opening some doors. At 60 I'm trying to minimize the things that
> aggavate me. LOL
>
> Mike M

Two excellent starter choices but don't forget the Festool vac, a serious
tool that is necessary with the Domino, or any shop vac. The Domino needs
to have the chips cleared out and the vac does an excellent job. But the
Festool vac is very quiet.

Then you are going to want to replace your sanders..... LOL

On Apr 22, 11:18=A0am, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hey Leon ... How's that new TS75 doing?
>
> Wanna race??
>
> :)
>
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> KarlC@ (the obvious)

He didn't!!
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
did he?

On Apr 3, 10:46=A0am, Larry Jaques <[email protected]> wrote:

> =A0Why are the new, high-tech batteries failing so quickly when
> the old stuff lasted forever, hmmm? =A0Sounds like a plot!
>

Blame Clinton.

On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 11:18:25 -0600, the infamous "Max"
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:

>"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...

>> Beginning April 1 through May 31 Festool is offering a 10% off sale on
>> both of their Track saws and accessories for those saws. I'll probably be
>> getting the TS55 saw.

April Fools! , eh?


>I'm leaning toward the TS75. In fact, I'm about to fall.

Gawd. I'm still using Dad's old Crapsman aluminum circ saw with HF
carbide ($1.99 on sale) blades on it. Oh, I did buy a $24 aluminum
cutting guide and am using $1.50 HF bar clamps on it.

The thought of plunkin' down $625 (Holy Shit, $1,079 with shop vac!
Amazon price today) to replace that setup just chills me to the bone.
Would I accept one in trade? You betcha. (Damn, my crowbars just
burst into tears again. Gotta go.)

--
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And may those that don't love us,
May God turn their hearts;
And if he doesn't turn their hearts,
may he turn their ankles,
So we'll know them by their limping.
--old Gaelic blessing

"Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*nadaspam*@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Leon" wrote
>>
>> You can stack and lock together 6' of Festool tools on top of a Festool
>> CT 33 or CT 22 shop vac. I'm up to about 2' and I am about ready to add
>> another foot with the TS55 saw. That will leave me 3 more feet for more
>> tools. ;~)
>>
> Not to worry Leon.
>
> When you get to 6 foot of systainers, just get the Festool step ladder!
> LOL
>
> I understand completely the concept of buying quality tools.


There is a ladder??? ;~)

Hey Leon ... How's that new TS75 doing?

Wanna race??

:)

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On 4/10/2010 3:08 PM, Max wrote:

> Yes, I decided. Now you can sit back and smirk.
>
> I'm going to Albuquerque soon and will be picking it up. TS 75 (w/75")
> plus 55" track and connectors.
> Got tired of pissing around with homemade compromises. {:-)
>
> Max (the big spender)

Misery, and broke, loves company! ;)


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On 4/22/2010 12:42 PM, Robatoy wrote:
> On Apr 22, 11:18 am, Swingman<[email protected]> wrote:
>> Hey Leon ... How's that new TS75 doing?
>>
>> Wanna race??
>>
>> :)
>>
>> --www.e-woodshop.net
>> Last update: 4/15/2010
>> KarlC@ (the obvious)
>
> He didn't!!
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> did he?

No eye witness, or photographic evidence, but, by jove, I do believe he did!

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"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> I reread the article on 18v impact drivers in the Oct08 JLC and have
> definitely decided on the Makita BTD141 kit. 3AH lithium.

You cannot argue with Makita and history. My wife bought me a right angle
7.2 volt Makita drill in 1983..... While the battery did loose its omph!,
it did get it me out some jams up untill about 5 years ago.... Not too bad
for a 20+ year old battery. I have been using a Makita drill and impact for
about 5 years now and have replaced 1 of the 2 batteries that came with
them. Other than the batteries which all go bad eventually, I feel the
tools are a good value.




>
> Have you seen the DeWally track saw, Leon? <heh heh heh>
> http://fwd4.me/K8L I love that pic of the guy trimming the door
> while it's ON the hinges. So, is this a ripoff^H^H^H^H^H^Hpleasant
> copy of the Festool product or a licensed product, I wonder?
> I'm perfectly happy with the clone of a Fein multipurpose tool...
> Nah, I can't afford even this one, let alone the stable it would
> create the environment for. ;)

YES! I have seen it. Makita has one too. I will say that I saw a Youtube
video where an over the pond contractor type guy that owned the DeWalt and
Festool track saw compaired the two...... He preferred the Festool.
Festool has been in the track saw business for 30+ years... DeWalt a
couple, maybe.
>
>
>>Then you are going to want to replace your sanders..... LOL
>
> There, see what I mean? Scratch that itch!

It's catch'n!

"Max" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>
>> Go ahead and get the Festool vac! LOL. You will probably not use the
>> others again... the Festool vac works really well and is "quiet".
>> Typically the power tool drowns out the noise of the vac.
>
> Hey!!
> I'm lucky to get away with the expense of the saw, never mind the vac.
> At some point in time............................
>
> Max


Typically you can get better pricing on Festool tools when you buy a sander,
saw, Domino etc along with one of the vac's.
Because the saw will be on sale for 10% off tomorrow you would not likely
get much better of a deal getting the vac now anyway. ;~)

Get vac when you buy a Rotex sander or the Domino. LOL.

On 03/30/2010 07:05 PM, Max wrote:

> I'm almost tempted to buy just the "track" and use the same saw (Milwaukee
> *left* blade) I've been using but I thought the plunge ability and other
> advantages would be worth the money.

I've used one of these for a long time:

http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.aspx?c=1&p=41707&cat=1,240,45313&ap=1

I have a dedicated circular saw with a 1/4 ply base plate and the
"traveller" from that page. The "traveller" keeps it from moving away
from the fence.

Handy for breaking down plywood, though not as fancy (or spendy) as the
dedicated track saws. Makes a great straight edge for cutting drywall
too. :)

Chris

On 3/30/2010 8:57 PM, Max wrote:

> Well, *if* I go with the Festool, it will be the FS75. I've read where
> the smaller one seems underpowered.

I don't think it is, but I have FS75, mainly due to the extra depth of
cut. I am a firm believer in "batch cutting" as a means of maintaining
'square" in cabinet components, and this extra depth allows me to cut
more stock at a time.

> Thanks for the recommendation.
> Question:
> Will a 1-1/4" vac hose fit the Festool ?

I can't answer that from personal experience. I bought the smaller vac
(CT22E) mainly because Leon's advise, and due to the "fit" with all the
other tools, and I have a large dust collector in the shop for the heavy
work ... and I have plans to switch over to mostly Festool on things
like routers, jigsaw, etc. as jobs, and finances, permit, which work
with either Festool vac. (I may be dreaming here, but what the hell)

I will say that Leon ordered, for both of us, an adapter that fits the
Kreg pocket hole jig so either of the Festool vacs can be used with it,
so I think you may be OK in that regard.

Perhaps he will chime in here.

> I have enough shop vacs of various sizes that I'd hate to have to get
> the festool vac just for the saw.
> Question?
> I would be ordering online. Can the 102" guide rail be shipped with
> *reasonable* expectation that it won't get damaged?

I got the 75" guide rail with the FS75, and bought an extra 55" guide
rail, along with the kit for joining guide rails. This gives me more
than enough flexibility for the longest diagonal cut on a 4 x 8 sheet of
plywood, and the ease of use of the 55" on a 4 x 4 sheet, or smaller, sheet.

These guide rails excel at diagonal cuts that you can't do on a table
saw ... something I've been beating my head against, looking for a
solution, for years.

All my Festool stuff thus far were purchased locally at Rockler, but I
have the shipping boxes for both guide rails and they are stout enough
to make pretty good containers for general shop use, if not for long
term offsite use.

Let me know if you have any more questions ... this Festool stuff is
dear to my heart .. even the cons far outweigh the pros of most of the
tools built today.

Then again, I'm getting to be a softy in my old age:

http://picasaweb.google.com/karlcaillouet/SadieBelle#5451560276095952578

:)

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New, to me, Festool site:

http://www.tracksaw.com/?ref=fog

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On 3/31/2010 11:22 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:

> once. Egad, though, they just overprice the living SHIT out of 'em,
> though. It's like asking what's his butt if I could pay double for
> his safe saw. It just doesn't seem _moral_ to pay that much.</huff>
> (or right or sane)

Au contraire ... the necessary shop equipment to make ALL the quality
cuts that the Festool plunge saw/guide rail system is capable of would
cost a minimum of $5k to $30k, PLUS you can take all those top quality
cuts to the job site in one small package.

The truth of the matter, for the professional, is that Festool plunge
saw is worth at least three times the current cost of the tool, with a
dust extractor thrown in.

Anyone who contends otherwise simply does not fully grasp what this tool
is capable of delivering, equally in the shop, or on site.

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"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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Grrrrrrrrrr...I SO remember being heckled in here for buying up-market
Festool...I was labelled a braggart and that..... (I didn't really
care because I KNEW that some day I would be vindicated....that day
has come... 'gloat, gloat'.)


Yeah'but it will be canceled out with your view towards Sketchup. ;~)

"Max" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Some input would be appreciated.
> Thanks,
>
> Max

I have several of these cutting guides in various lengths, they make one
long enough to do a sheet of plywood the long way. They also have adapter
plates for circular saws and routers that really lock the tool to the guide,
although so far I've been able to keep such tools tight enough to the guide
that I haven't needed the plates. Not as nice as the saw-guide systems, but
somewhat less expensive.

http://www.amazon.com/Clamp-50-Inch-Grip-Guide-T-track/dp/B0000DYV40

http://www.amazon.com/Clamp-99-Inch-Ultra-Double-T-Track/dp/B0000DYV3W/ref=pd_cp_hi_3

http://www.amazon.com/All-Clamp-9-Inch-12-Inch-Plate/dp/B0000DYVCQ/ref=pd_bxgy_hi_img_c

On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 17:26:33 -0500, the infamous "Leon"
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:

>
>"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>Snip
>
>>
>> Gawd. I'm still using Dad's old Crapsman aluminum circ saw with HF
>> carbide ($1.99 on sale) blades on it. Oh, I did buy a $24 aluminum
>> cutting guide and am using $1.50 HF bar clamps on it.
>>
>> The thought of plunkin' down $625 (Holy Shit, $1,079 with shop vac!
>> Amazon price today) to replace that setup just chills me to the bone.
>> Would I accept one in trade? You betcha. (Damn, my crowbars just
>> burst into tears again. Gotta go.)
>
>
>Seriousely, I use'ta think that way. Then I thought to myself, are you
>tired of fooling around with marginal tools? Tired of working in a dust
>cloud? Tired of listening to a LOUD shop vac?
>
>I'm worth it.

Good attitude. Yeah, when I have to put on my resuscitator and muffs
for a series of cuts, and still get chips in my eyes, I wonder why I'm
doing all that.

I'd like to get out of the field and into making furniture in the
shop, but I still can't see the floor in there...yet.

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And may those that don't love us,
May God turn their hearts;
And if he doesn't turn their hearts,
may he turn their ankles,
So we'll know them by their limping.
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On 3/30/2010 9:10 PM, Morris Dovey wrote:
> On 3/30/2010 8:38 PM, Max wrote:
>
>> I like your suggestion but I think I would have a difficult time
>> implementing it.
>
> I cheated with mine (and I didn't need a nine-footer) - I clamped a 4x8
> sheet of 3/4" BB to my base board, slapped my 8' pre-drilled 3/4" angle
> up against that, and screwed it down while holding the angle against the
> plywood edge.
>
> Then I unclamped the plywood and used my circular saw to trim the width
> of the base board.
>
> It's straight enough. :)

Whatever works for your particular use. I did that for 20 years and
there is no comparison, for what I do, with the "plunge" saw methodology.

AAMOF, I have very straight 105" and 48" aluminum angle, complete with a
guide system that will fit any circular saw, that has been resigned to
the dust bin of history.

Never again ...

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"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 3/30/2010 8:57 PM, Max wrote:
>
>> Well, *if* I go with the Festool, it will be the FS75. I've read where
>> the smaller one seems underpowered.
>
> I don't think it is, but I have FS75, mainly due to the extra depth of
> cut. I am a firm believer in "batch cutting" as a means of maintaining
> 'square" in cabinet components, and this extra depth allows me to cut more
> stock at a time.
>
>> Thanks for the recommendation.
>> Question:
>> Will a 1-1/4" vac hose fit the Festool ?
>
> I can't answer that from personal experience. I bought the smaller vac
> (CT22E) mainly because Leon's advise, and due to the "fit" with all the
> other tools, and I have a large dust collector in the shop for the heavy
> work ... and I have plans to switch over to mostly Festool on things like
> routers, jigsaw, etc. as jobs, and finances, permit, which work with
> either Festool vac. (I may be dreaming here, but what the hell)
>
> I will say that Leon ordered, for both of us, an adapter that fits the
> Kreg pocket hole jig so either of the Festool vacs can be used with it, so
> I think you may be OK in that regard.
>
> Perhaps he will chime in here.

I think that a 1.25" ID would be too large. But there are lots of adapters
out there. The adapter that Swingman mentioned for the Kreg jig is made by
Fein.
I measured the Festool Hose, the ID is 15/16" OD is 1.5".


>> I have enough shop vacs of various sizes that I'd hate to have to get
>> the festool vac just for the saw.

Go ahead and get the Festool vac! LOL. You will probably not use the
others again... the Festool vac works really well and is "quiet".
Typically the power tool drowns out the noise of the vac.

On Mar 31, 12:20=A0am, Morris Dovey <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 3/30/2010 9:55 PM, Swingman wrote:
>
> > Whatever works for your particular use. I did that for 20 years and
> > there is no comparison, for what I do, with the "plunge" saw methodolog=
y.
>
> > AAMOF, I have very straight 105" and 48" aluminum angle, complete with =
a
> > guide system that will fit any circular saw, that has been resigned to
> > the dust bin of history.
>
> > Never again ...
>
> I confess that I haven't used mine for quite a while, too - same with my
> panel saw. Nowadays I cut more accurately without any guide at all.
>
> In fact I use the same tool to cut precise elipses, parabolas, gears,
> text, dovetails, M&T's, dados, lap joints,...
>
> ...in wood, plastics, and soft metals. :)
>
> But not everyone needs, wants, or can afford spendy tools - and I have
> to admit that my old angle guide (and the little SawSquare for
> cross-cutting) worked well enough to halve a knife mark.
>
> I'd be happy to join you and Leon on the Festool cheering squad, but I
> prefer to not sacrifice precision and flexibility for portability I
> don't need. ;)
>
> --
> Morris Dovey
> DeSoto Solar
> DeSoto, Iowa USAhttp://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/

With some of that precision at my disposal, I still reach for my
trusty 12-foot x 6" aluminum straight edge. I still do many cross cuts
with a 48" shooting board with my Skil worm-drive. Then again, that
Corian is awkward and heavy and the tools are a lot easier to move.
The 75 model Festool is not far away. I have used it and there is no
equal. A lot of the attraction comes from its dustcontrol.

On 4/10/2010 6:29 PM, Max wrote:
> "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote
>> Max wrote:
>
>>> Got tired of pissing around with homemade compromises. {:-)
>>>
>>> Max (the big spender)
>>
>> Misery, and broke, loves company! ;)
>
> Misery? With a new Festool thingamajig?
>
> Max (grinning)

"broke" being the operative word in this case. :)

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On Fri, 02 Apr 2010 18:01:22 -0700, Mike M <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
>
>On Fri, 2 Apr 2010 14:15:56 -0500, "Leon" <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>
>>"Mike M" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>> On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 17:26:33 -0500, "Leon" <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>>Snip
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Gawd. I'm still using Dad's old Crapsman aluminum circ saw with HF
>>>>> carbide ($1.99 on sale) blades on it. Oh, I did buy a $24 aluminum
>>>>> cutting guide and am using $1.50 HF bar clamps on it.
>>>>>
>>>>> The thought of plunkin' down $625 (Holy Shit, $1,079 with shop vac!
>>>>> Amazon price today) to replace that setup just chills me to the bone.
>>>>> Would I accept one in trade? You betcha. (Damn, my crowbars just
>>>>> burst into tears again. Gotta go.)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Seriousely, I use'ta think that way. Then I thought to myself, are you
>>>>tired of fooling around with marginal tools? Tired of working in a dust
>>>>cloud? Tired of listening to a LOUD shop vac?
>>>>
>>>>I'm worth it.
>>>>
>>> This is so true. Mainly working as an eletrician before I got hurt I
>>> bought the best tools I could. Even if it was something the employer
>>> was supposed to furnish I had my own so I didn't have to share it.
>>> Used to piss people off, but having my own tools paid off many times
>>> if nothing more then not wasting time and getting home earlier. Not
>>> to mention higher productivity translated to a higher wage. Now I'm
>>> looking at Festool for the saw and domino of solving some issues and
>>> opening some doors. At 60 I'm trying to minimize the things that
>>> aggavate me. LOL
>>>
>>> Mike M
>>
>>Two excellent starter choices but don't forget the Festool vac, a serious
>>tool that is necessary with the Domino, or any shop vac. The Domino needs
>>to have the chips cleared out and the vac does an excellent job. But the
>>Festool vac is very quiet.
>>
>>Then you are going to want to replace your sanders..... LOL
>>
>>
>>
>I figured I would get the Festool vac with which ever tool I bought
>first. I've eyeballed the sanders as well. That part of my
>operation is pretty dirty and hard to clean up. Hopefully I can take
>advantage of the 10% available this month. And the funny part is
>Obama will be paying for it. Since I got hurt at the beginning of
>2009 I had very little income and my taxable income is $0. Workmens
>Comp isn't taxable. They are refunding not just what I paid in but
>more then twice that amount. I actually called the IRS hot line
>because I couldn't believe they were doing that. Should just about
>cover the saw and a vac. 8-)

That sounds like an expensive way to get something for free. At least it's
for something worthwhile. ;-)

I'll writing a check for $5-$6K on the 15th, so no Festools for me (though I
am eyeing a 1400EQ). :-(

"LDosser" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

>>>Storage a problem? You can stack and lock together 6' of Festool tools
>>>on
>>>top of a Festool CT 33 or CT 22 shop vac. I'm up to about 2' and I am
>>>about
>>>ready to add another foot with the TS55 saw. That will leave me 3 more
>>>feet
>>>for more tools. ;~)
>>
>> I can't wait to win the system in the sweeps.
>
> Didn't I just tell you the top prize is only $6,000? You won't be able to
> Afford the System ...

You have to think man! Enter your wife so that when both of you win you get
the whole enchalada.

On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 15:12:55 -0500, the infamous Swingman
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:

>On 3/31/2010 2:00 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
>
>> The thought of plunkin' down $625 (Holy Shit, $1,079 with shop vac!
>> Amazon price today) to replace that setup just chills me to the bone.
>> Would I accept one in trade? You betcha. (Damn, my crowbars just
>> burst into tears again. Gotta go.)
>
>You're in the business, right? Section 179 expense ... let Uncle OBama
>pay for a good part of it.

Yeah, right. If the rest of the year shapes up anything like the
first quarter has, I'll be in a position to look at Festeringtools for
once. Egad, though, they just overprice the living SHIT out of 'em,
though. It's like asking what's his butt if I could pay double for
his safe saw. It just doesn't seem _moral_ to pay that much. </huff>
(or right or sane)


>Well designed, 'top of the line' tools of the trade save time, effort,
>and material, and improve the overall quality of your work ... and waste
>of any of those is wasted, and lost, money and opportunity.

That's true, but it only counts when you have too much work to do and
too little time. If you're only working 1/4 of the time, it doesn't
hurt anything, 'cept your leisure time.


>Regarding the alternative edge guides and aluminum angle cobble-ups for
>circle saws ... I did that for 40 years, there is simply NO comparison
>with these guide rail/plunge saw systems.

My mind just copped an accent and it sounds like Aunt Bee. I can just
make out is saying "That's nice dear. I'm sure the Festerer is quite
nice little plunger. Now eat up all your breakfast before you go out
to play."

--
May those who love us, love us;
And may those that don't love us,
May God turn their hearts;
And if he doesn't turn their hearts,
may he turn their ankles,
So we'll know them by their limping.
--old Gaelic blessing

On 3/30/2010 8:05 PM, Max wrote:
> I've been using a shop-made, 9 foot long, guide to cut plywood, etc.
> It's just a 1x4 screwed to 1/2 inch Baltic Birch ply. The edge of the
> 1X4 has acquired a slight groove where the foot of the circular saw runs
> against it.
> I remember the job it was making the guide and getting it absolutely
> straight.
> I'm not particularly interested in doing it again.
>
> I'm pondering the purchase of a Plunge/"track" saw.
> But I see descriptions of "anti splinter" strips, glide strips, high
> friction strips and other "add-ons" or replacements.
> Do I really need all that extra crap.
> I'm almost tempted to buy just the "track" and use the same saw
> (Milwaukee *left* blade) I've been using but I thought the plunge
> ability and other advantages would be worth the money.
> Some input would be appreciated.

Save some of your hard-earned cash - just replace the 1 x 4 with a piece
of 1/8" x 1-1/2" aluminum angle.

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/

On 3/30/2010 8:38 PM, Max wrote:

> I like your suggestion but I think I would have a difficult time
> implementing it.

I cheated with mine (and I didn't need a nine-footer) - I clamped a 4x8
sheet of 3/4" BB to my base board, slapped my 8' pre-drilled 3/4" angle
up against that, and screwed it down while holding the angle against the
plywood edge.

Then I unclamped the plywood and used my circular saw to trim the width
of the base board.

It's straight enough. :)

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/

a wallpapers straight edge works great

"Morris Dovey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 3/30/2010 8:05 PM, Max wrote:
>> I've been using a shop-made, 9 foot long, guide to cut plywood, etc.
>> It's just a 1x4 screwed to 1/2 inch Baltic Birch ply. The edge of the
>> 1X4 has acquired a slight groove where the foot of the circular saw runs
>> against it.
>> I remember the job it was making the guide and getting it absolutely
>> straight.
>> I'm not particularly interested in doing it again.
>>
>> I'm pondering the purchase of a Plunge/"track" saw.
>> But I see descriptions of "anti splinter" strips, glide strips, high
>> friction strips and other "add-ons" or replacements.
>> Do I really need all that extra crap.
>> I'm almost tempted to buy just the "track" and use the same saw
>> (Milwaukee *left* blade) I've been using but I thought the plunge
>> ability and other advantages would be worth the money.
>> Some input would be appreciated.
>
> Save some of your hard-earned cash - just replace the 1 x 4 with a piece
> of 1/8" x 1-1/2" aluminum angle.
>
> --
> Morris Dovey
> DeSoto Solar
> DeSoto, Iowa USA
> http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/

On 3/30/2010 9:55 PM, Swingman wrote:

> Whatever works for your particular use. I did that for 20 years and
> there is no comparison, for what I do, with the "plunge" saw methodology.
>
> AAMOF, I have very straight 105" and 48" aluminum angle, complete with a
> guide system that will fit any circular saw, that has been resigned to
> the dust bin of history.
>
> Never again ...

I confess that I haven't used mine for quite a while, too - same with my
panel saw. Nowadays I cut more accurately without any guide at all.

In fact I use the same tool to cut precise elipses, parabolas, gears,
text, dovetails, M&T's, dados, lap joints,...

...in wood, plastics, and soft metals. :)

But not everyone needs, wants, or can afford spendy tools - and I have
to admit that my old angle guide (and the little SawSquare for
cross-cutting) worked well enough to halve a knife mark.

I'd be happy to join you and Leon on the Festool cheering squad, but I
prefer to not sacrifice precision and flexibility for portability I
don't need. ;)

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/

On 3/30/2010 11:55 PM, Robatoy wrote:

> With some of that precision at my disposal, I still reach for my
> trusty 12-foot x 6" aluminum straight edge. I still do many cross cuts
> with a 48" shooting board with my Skil worm-drive. Then again, that
> Corian is awkward and heavy and the tools are a lot easier to move.
> The 75 model Festool is not far away. I have used it and there is no
> equal. A lot of the attraction comes from its dustcontrol.

That makes sense to me, and my attitude would probably change if I were
working with difficult-to-move materials. What I build doesn't begin to
become heavy/awkward until assembly time - at which point I tip it onto
a pallet and wrap/strap it for shipment. Even then I'll guess that a
fully assembled 8x6 solar panel on its pallet weighs less than a full
sheet of your solid surface material. I'm glad I don't have to muscle
stuff like that around my shop...

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/

On 3/31/2010 12:24 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:

> Whassa "3/4 BB", Mawwwwwriss?

BB = Baltic Birch (plywood)

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/

"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 17:19:35 -0500, the infamous "Leon"
> <[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>
>>
>>"Max" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>> "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>>
>>>> What are you looking for exactly?
>>>
>>> Well, I *was* looking for a *straight* edge; something to guide my
>>> circular saw when cutting panel goods.
>>> Now that I've been shown the advantages, especially dust collection, of
>>> the "track" saws, I'm strongly inclined toward the purchase of one.
>>
>>The dust collection is wonderful. I added a dusto collector to my shop
>>about 5 years ago after dealing with it for the previous 25 years. 3
>>years
>>ago I bought the Festool Domino and the CT22 Festool vac. 2 years ago I
>>started adding the Rotex Sander and Festool finish sander. Quiet and I no
>>longer get dusty. I no longer have to clean up before going insde at the
>>end of the day. I no longer have to blow out the shop befor applying a
>>finish to a fresh sanded project.
>
> That's saying something.
>
>
>>The really cool thing about Festool tools is that they address and fix
>>many
>>problems that you did not realize you had.
>
> Great!
>
>
>>Storage a problem? You can stack and lock together 6' of Festool tools on
>>top of a Festool CT 33 or CT 22 shop vac. I'm up to about 2' and I am
>>about
>>ready to add another foot with the TS55 saw. That will leave me 3 more
>>feet
>>for more tools. ;~)
>
> I can't wait to win the system in the sweeps.

Didn't I just tell you the top prize is only $6,000? You won't be able to
Afford the System ...

On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 15:55:27 -0500, the infamous Morris Dovey
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:

>On 3/31/2010 12:24 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
>
>> Whassa "3/4 BB", Mawwwwwriss?
>
>BB = Baltic Birch (plywood)

But of course. <whap>

--
May those who love us, love us;
And may those that don't love us,
May God turn their hearts;
And if he doesn't turn their hearts,
may he turn their ankles,
So we'll know them by their limping.
--old Gaelic blessing

"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
Snip

>
> Gawd. I'm still using Dad's old Crapsman aluminum circ saw with HF
> carbide ($1.99 on sale) blades on it. Oh, I did buy a $24 aluminum
> cutting guide and am using $1.50 HF bar clamps on it.
>
> The thought of plunkin' down $625 (Holy Shit, $1,079 with shop vac!
> Amazon price today) to replace that setup just chills me to the bone.
> Would I accept one in trade? You betcha. (Damn, my crowbars just
> burst into tears again. Gotta go.)


Seriousely, I use'ta think that way. Then I thought to myself, are you
tired of fooling around with marginal tools? Tired of working in a dust
cloud? Tired of listening to a LOUD shop vac?

I'm worth it.

On Sat, 10 Apr 2010 14:08:23 -0600, the infamous "Max"
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:

>"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> Hey Max, what did you decide to do?
>>
>> Let us know ... :)
>
>Yes, I decided. Now you can sit back and smirk.
>
>I'm going to Albuquerque soon and will be picking it up. TS 75 (w/75") plus
>55" track and connectors.
>Got tired of pissing around with homemade compromises. {:-)

Max, aren't you forgetting a Festering SuperSucker?

--
Climb the mountains and get their good tidings. Nature's peace
will flow into you as sunshine flows into trees. The winds will
blow their own freshness into you, and the storms their energy,
while cares will drop away from you like the leaves of Autumn.
-- John Muir

On Fri, 2 Apr 2010 14:15:56 -0500, the infamous "Leon"
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:

>
>"Mike M" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 17:26:33 -0500, "Leon" <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>Snip
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Gawd. I'm still using Dad's old Crapsman aluminum circ saw with HF
>>>> carbide ($1.99 on sale) blades on it. Oh, I did buy a $24 aluminum
>>>> cutting guide and am using $1.50 HF bar clamps on it.
>>>>
>>>> The thought of plunkin' down $625 (Holy Shit, $1,079 with shop vac!
>>>> Amazon price today) to replace that setup just chills me to the bone.
>>>> Would I accept one in trade? You betcha. (Damn, my crowbars just
>>>> burst into tears again. Gotta go.)
>>>
>>>
>>>Seriousely, I use'ta think that way. Then I thought to myself, are you
>>>tired of fooling around with marginal tools? Tired of working in a dust
>>>cloud? Tired of listening to a LOUD shop vac?
>>>
>>>I'm worth it.
>>>
>> This is so true. Mainly working as an eletrician before I got hurt I
>> bought the best tools I could. Even if it was something the employer
>> was supposed to furnish I had my own so I didn't have to share it.
>> Used to piss people off, but having my own tools paid off many times
>> if nothing more then not wasting time and getting home earlier. Not
>> to mention higher productivity translated to a higher wage. Now I'm
>> looking at Festool for the saw and domino of solving some issues and
>> opening some doors. At 60 I'm trying to minimize the things that
>> aggavate me. LOL

I hear that, Mike.


>Two excellent starter choices but don't forget the Festool vac, a serious
>tool that is necessary with the Domino, or any shop vac. The Domino needs
>to have the chips cleared out and the vac does an excellent job. But the
>Festool vac is very quiet.

I reread the article on 18v impact drivers in the Oct08 JLC and have
definitely decided on the Makita BTD141 kit. 3AH lithium.

Have you seen the DeWally track saw, Leon? <heh heh heh>
http://fwd4.me/K8L I love that pic of the guy trimming the door
while it's ON the hinges. So, is this a ripoff^H^H^H^H^H^Hpleasant
copy of the Festool product or a licensed product, I wonder?
I'm perfectly happy with the clone of a Fein multipurpose tool...
Nah, I can't afford even this one, let alone the stable it would
create the environment for. ;)


>Then you are going to want to replace your sanders..... LOL

There, see what I mean? Scratch that itch!

--
It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent,
but the one most responsive to change.
-- Charles Darwin

"Max" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>
>> What are you looking for exactly?
>
> Well, I *was* looking for a *straight* edge; something to guide my
> circular saw when cutting panel goods.
> Now that I've been shown the advantages, especially dust collection, of
> the "track" saws, I'm strongly inclined toward the purchase of one.

The dust collection is wonderful. I added a dusto collector to my shop
about 5 years ago after dealing with it for the previous 25 years. 3 years
ago I bought the Festool Domino and the CT22 Festool vac. 2 years ago I
started adding the Rotex Sander and Festool finish sander. Quiet and I no
longer get dusty. I no longer have to clean up before going insde at the
end of the day. I no longer have to blow out the shop befor applying a
finish to a fresh sanded project.

The really cool thing about Festool tools is that they address and fix many
problems that you did not realize you had.
Storage a problem? You can stack and lock together 6' of Festool tools on
top of a Festool CT 33 or CT 22 shop vac. I'm up to about 2' and I am about
ready to add another foot with the TS55 saw. That will leave me 3 more feet
for more tools. ;~)


>> Beginning April 1 through May 31 Festool is offering a 10% off sale on
>> both of their Track saws and accessories for those saws. I'll probably
>> be getting the TS55 saw.
>
> I'm leaning toward the TS75. In fact, I'm about to fall.
>
> Max

On 3/31/2010 2:00 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:

> The thought of plunkin' down $625 (Holy Shit, $1,079 with shop vac!
> Amazon price today) to replace that setup just chills me to the bone.
> Would I accept one in trade? You betcha. (Damn, my crowbars just
> burst into tears again. Gotta go.)

You're in the business, right? Section 179 expense ... let Uncle OBama
pay for a good part of it.

Well designed, 'top of the line' tools of the trade save time, effort,
and material, and improve the overall quality of your work ... and waste
of any of those is wasted, and lost, money and opportunity.

Regarding the alternative edge guides and aluminum angle cobble-ups for
circle saws ... I did that for 40 years, there is simply NO comparison
with these guide rail/plunge saw systems.

--
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Last update: 10/22/08
KarlC@ (the obvious)

On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 16:11:34 -0700 (PDT), the infamous Robatoy
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:

>On Mar 31, 7:04 pm, "Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*[email protected]>
>wrote:
>> "Leon"  wrote
>>
>> >  You can stack and lock together 6' of Festool tools on top of a Festool
>> > CT 33 or CT 22 shop vac.  I'm up to about 2' and I am about ready to add
>> > another foot with the TS55 saw.  That will leave me 3 more feet for more
>> > tools.  ;~)
>>
>> Not to worry Leon.
>>
>> When you get to 6 foot of systainers, just get the Festool step ladder!  LOL
>>
>> I understand completely the concept of buying quality tools.
>
>Grrrrrrrrrr...I SO remember being heckled in here for buying up-market
>Festool...I was labelled a braggart and that..... (I didn't really
>care because I KNEW that some day I would be vindicated....that day
>has come... 'gloat, gloat'.)

And here we have it, folks, our first Festermaniac! ;)

--
May those who love us, love us;
And may those that don't love us,
May God turn their hearts;
And if he doesn't turn their hearts,
may he turn their ankles,
So we'll know them by their limping.
--old Gaelic blessing

On Fri, 2 Apr 2010 21:47:14 -0500, the infamous "Leon"
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:

>
>"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>
>> I reread the article on 18v impact drivers in the Oct08 JLC and have
>> definitely decided on the Makita BTD141 kit. 3AH lithium.
>
>You cannot argue with Makita and history. My wife bought me a right angle
>7.2 volt Makita drill in 1983..... While the battery did loose its omph!,
>it did get it me out some jams up untill about 5 years ago.... Not too bad
>for a 20+ year old battery. I have been using a Makita drill and impact for
>about 5 years now and have replaced 1 of the 2 batteries that came with
>them. Other than the batteries which all go bad eventually, I feel the
>tools are a good value.

I had an old Skil 7.2 nicad drillmotor that kept on going until I gave
it to my sister a few years ago and she promptly lost the charger.
<sigh> Why are the new, high-tech batteries failing so quickly when
the old stuff lasted forever, hmmm? Sounds like a plot!


>> Have you seen the DeWally track saw, Leon? <heh heh heh>
>> http://fwd4.me/K8L I love that pic of the guy trimming the door
>> while it's ON the hinges. So, is this a ripoff^H^H^H^H^H^Hpleasant
>> copy of the Festool product or a licensed product, I wonder?
>> I'm perfectly happy with the clone of a Fein multipurpose tool...
>> Nah, I can't afford even this one, let alone the stable it would
>> create the environment for. ;)
>
>YES! I have seen it. Makita has one too. I will say that I saw a Youtube
>video where an over the pond contractor type guy that owned the DeWalt and
>Festool track saw compaired the two...... He preferred the Festool.

Ooh, I'll have to check that out.


>Festool has been in the track saw business for 30+ years... DeWalt a
>couple, maybe.

Yeah, Amazon showed me the Makita this morning as a suggestion since
I'd looked at the DeWalt. Suhweeeet! And _teal_! I do _so_ love
teal. <bats eyelashes> ;)

--
It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent,
but the one most responsive to change.
-- Charles Darwin

"Max" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I've been using a shop-made, 9 foot long, guide to cut plywood, etc.
> It's just a 1x4 screwed to 1/2 inch Baltic Birch ply. The edge of the 1X4
> has acquired a slight groove where the foot of the circular saw runs
> against it.
> I remember the job it was making the guide and getting it absolutely
> straight.
> I'm not particularly interested in doing it again.
>
> I'm pondering the purchase of a Plunge/"track" saw.
> But I see descriptions of "anti splinter" strips, glide strips, high
> friction strips and other "add-ons" or replacements.
> Do I really need all that extra crap.
> I'm almost tempted to buy just the "track" and use the same saw (Milwaukee
> *left* blade) I've been using but I thought the plunge ability and other
> advantages would be worth the money.
> Some input would be appreciated.
> Thanks,
>
> Max
>


What are you looking for exactly?

Do you simply want to cut straight lines? Renew what you have.

Would you like to get a saw that delivers a cut quality that might be better
than your TS? Look to one of the new track saws.

I am partial to the Festool saw, they have had the idea in use since the
60's.
The track guide pretty much stays where you put it with out clamps, but you
can use clamps.
The track sets up on the line you want to cut, there is no off set
measurements needed.
The track helps to prevent tear out on the top inner side of the cut. The
saw has a replaceable piece that prevents tear out on the outer side of the
cut. I have seen Swingman's saw work and it cuts oak plywood as good as
what my cabinet saw does and I don't have to sand or clean up my cuts.
The saw easily makes plunge cuts and stopped cuts.

Beginning April 1 through May 31 Festool is offering a 10% off sale on both
of their Track saws and accessories for those saws. I'll probably be
getting the TS55 saw.

On 3/30/2010 8:05 PM, Max wrote:
> I've been using a shop-made, 9 foot long, guide to cut plywood, etc.
> It's just a 1x4 screwed to 1/2 inch Baltic Birch ply. The edge of the
> 1X4 has acquired a slight groove where the foot of the circular saw runs
> against it.
> I remember the job it was making the guide and getting it absolutely
> straight.
> I'm not particularly interested in doing it again.
>
> I'm pondering the purchase of a Plunge/"track" saw.
> But I see descriptions of "anti splinter" strips, glide strips, high
> friction strips and other "add-ons" or replacements.
> Do I really need all that extra crap.
> I'm almost tempted to buy just the "track" and use the same saw
> (Milwaukee *left* blade) I've been using but I thought the plunge
> ability and other advantages would be worth the money.
> Some input would be appreciated.
> Thanks,

Lord have mercy! If you can stand the freight, run, don't walk, to get
the Festool FS55 or FS75!

The guide rails come with all that stuff and I've cut a lot of sheet
goods (and even tubafours and sheathing) thus far with no inkling of
having to replace any of those components.

There are a world of videos on youtube ... check'em out.

Festool will put a smile on your face ... GUARANTEED!

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