Person: jim walker <[email protected]>
Business: J. Best Co. Lmt
Amesh Shipping
Sends e-mail wanting to purchase merchandise - in my case it was an
unspecified number of tilt-top shop carts (see at link in sig) - with
payment by credit card with shipment to Sweden.
I responded to the initial query with the suggestion that he could have
the carts produced in Sweden for less than the cost of shipping from my
location - and offered to provide contact info for a Swedish shop that I
knew would do a first class job for a reasonable price.
The response was strange enough that I did web searches on both the
person and the business <patting self on back>.
What I found was that both names have been used to order merchandise
with MasterCard payment, and a requirement was made to use "Amesh
Shipping". Amesh then required an (up front) shipping payment.
The MasterCard payment used a stolen/bogus card number and the
transaction would be reversed (removing the deposited funds from the
merchant account), and there would be no means of recovering the payment
(typically $2000-3000) made to Amesh Shipping.
I went to my server log to look at hits to the web page where the carts
are shown (they aren't offered for sale) and /think/ I know where the
scammer is viewing the page from. FYI, here's the best I could find:
Suspected Location: Accra, Ghana
Suspected Server ref: adsl25164.4u.com.gh
I haven't ever mentioned these carts to anyone except here on the wreck,
so it seems appropriate to post a warning here (just in case).
--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/Projects/PanelCart/
On Sun, 29 Mar 2009 20:22:32 +0100, Charlie Self wrote
(in article
<dea2f45a-154a-4cdf-acd9-f2311a3b774a@e12g2000vbe.googlegroups.com>):
> I always wonder about those penis lengtheners in spam, too. Do they
> send a brick and a piece of string when you pay? Or nothing?
They sent me a VERY long piece of string and a pair of water skis.....
On Thu, 2 Apr 2009 18:29:23 +0100, Morris Dovey wrote
(in article <[email protected]>):
> This guy just can't quit. This morning's e-mail from the same server in
> Accra (Ghana):
>
> =====
> Hi,
> I am Mr. Joseph Brown.
> I will like to order 2 of the 180 Watt Lake Lite Solar Panels from your
<snip>
The first give away is anyone announcing themselves as "Mr." It's just so..
foreign. I can tolerate the bad engrish but the nasty etiquette is simply
unforgivable.
Nayther Prince Albert nor ourself is amused by this unspeakable outrage.
Behaviour of this ilk will be the downfall of the Empire, one day.
V.R.
On Mon, 6 Apr 2009 04:57:20 +0100, Dave Balderstone wrote
(in article <050420092157207741%dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca>):
> In article <[email protected]>, Ed Pawlowski
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> "Bored Borg" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>
>>> The first give away is anyone announcing themselves as "Mr." It's just
>>> so..
>>> foreign. I can tolerate the bad engrish but the nasty etiquette is simply
>>> unforgivable.
>>
>> You may find it hard to believe, but some people still use and prefer to
>> use
>> the more formal "Mr.". There is nothing nasty about etiquette, only the
>> lack of it. That, sir, is unforgivable.
There is nothing wrong with addressing or introducing someone else as "Mr."
The bad form is in introducing ones self this way.
Perfectly correct would be
I am/my name is Smith.
" " John Smith
" " John.
Unforgivably gauche is
My name is Mr. John Smith.
My issue was one of propriety, not of formality.
>
> Yes, but someone concerned with etiquette will not be sending
> unsolicited email attempting to steal money from people.
>
> That is nasty, and the use of the formal "Mr." is indeed a feature of
> this type of scam.
>
> You may find it hard to believe, but someone who follows etiquette can
> still be a lying thief bastard who deserves to be tied to an anthill,
> covered in honey and then executed after he passes out.
I trust that said person will remember to say "Please," while being tied to
the anthill and "Thank you." after the honey is applied.
On Mon, 6 Apr 2009 19:14:25 +0100, Doug Miller wrote
(in article <[email protected]>):
> The couple across the street are a chemist and a college professor, both now
> retired. I believe that, between the two of them, they have at least three
> doctorate and three masters degrees. They introduce themselves simply as
> "Gloria" and "Andrew".
Now that is _class_
--The Reverend Doctor Bored Borg, spilling egg down his tie again.
"Ed Pawlowski" wrote
>
> From Wickipedia
> Esquire (abbreviated Esq.) is a term of British origin, originally used to
> denote social status. Ultimately deriving from the medieval squires who
> assisted knights, the term came to be used automatically by men of gentle
> birth. The social rank of Esquire is that above gentleman. More
> specifically, though, a distinction was made between men of the upper and
> lower gentry, who were "esquires" and "gentlemen" respectively (between,
> for example, "Thomas Smith, Esq." and "William Jones, Gent.").
> Today, however, the term may be appended to the name of any man not
> possessing a higher title (such as that of knighthood or peerage) or a
> clerical one. In the United States, however, "esquire" is most commonly
> assumed by lawyers in a professional capacity and has come to be
> associated by many Americans solely with the legal profession.
>
=================
Interesting. I always thought the terms scumbag. bloodsucker, parasite and
shyster were associated with the legal profession.
"Morris Dovey" wrote
>
> For a week now now I've been trying to get my hands on a ball valve with
> metal seats for a high-temperature solar engine, and I haven't been able
> to get a human to talk to me. The current frustrator is an outfit up in
> Milford, Michigan (Yes I do understand that the folks in Michigan are so
> up to their eyeballs in work that it's probably not worth their time to
> respond to /new/ customers - not).
>
> Methinks it's time to stop screwing around and go global - again. :(
>
I know the feeling. I have ordered items from New Zealand and China because
I could not get them in the US. Shipping was high, but they had items in
stock and would talk to me.
Maybe Obama should put in his economic "stimulus" bill something about US
companies actually answering their phone/e-mail.
"Morris Dovey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Morris Dovey wrote:
>>
>> Person: jim walker <[email protected]>
>> Business: J. Best Co. Lmt
>> Amesh Shipping
>
>> Suspected Location: Accra, Ghana
>> Suspected Server ref: adsl25164.4u.com.gh
>
> He's baaack! :)
>
> In this morning's mail:
>
> " My name is James and i am a self own business
> person,I contact to make a order of Solar Panel and many more ,So i will
> like to know if you do sale Solar Panel ?If yes then get back to me with
> your models and price list so that i can make my selection and get back to
> you with the quantity that i may need including your major credit card
> that you accept ,name and contact number.Try as much as you can to get
> back to me asap .Thank You and i will be looking forward to your urgent
> respond.
>
> James Story"
>
> Headers indicate a server in North Accra, Ghana.
>
Reminds me of all that overseas pharmacy scams. Would you really want to
trust your health to somebody who can't spell?
In article <[email protected]>, Ed Pawlowski
<[email protected]> wrote:
> "Bored Borg" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >
> > The first give away is anyone announcing themselves as "Mr." It's just
> > so..
> > foreign. I can tolerate the bad engrish but the nasty etiquette is simply
> > unforgivable.
>
> You may find it hard to believe, but some people still use and prefer to use
> the more formal "Mr.". There is nothing nasty about etiquette, only the
> lack of it. That, sir, is unforgivable.
Yes, but someone concerned with etiquette will not be sending
unsolicited email attempting to steal money from people.
That is nasty, and the use of the formal "Mr." is indeed a feature of
this type of scam.
You may find it hard to believe, but someone who follows etiquette can
still be a lying thief bastard who deserves to be tied to an anthill,
covered in honey and then executed after he passes out.
In article <[email protected]>, Doug Miller
<[email protected]> wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] wrote:
> >On Mon, 6 Apr 2009 19:14:25 +0100, Doug Miller wrote
> >(in article <[email protected]>):
> >
> >> The couple across the street are a chemist and a college professor, both
> >> now
> >> retired. I believe that, between the two of them, they have at least three
> >> doctorate and three masters degrees. They introduce themselves simply as
> >> "Gloria" and "Andrew".
> >
> >Now that is _class_
>
> Indeed.
>
> I am proud to be able to count them among my friends.
It's nice to hear about the size 12 souls in the size 6 egos for a
change, instead of always the other way 'round.
I'm sure I'd enjoy meeting your friends.
>> I think that is part of the problem,
>> One, the orders are small, in my case under $2,000, before shipping.
>> Two, the billing address is in the US but the shipping address is
>> overseas.
>> Two small for a bank transfer to be common since it is with small
>> businesses, who are unfamiliar with the bank transfer procedure.
>
> My learning experience was in the other direction, but it covers the bases
> reasonably well...
>
> I needed to order materials from a Japanese company and their sales guy
> told me I needed to do a bank transfer before they'd ship. I hustled to my
> bank (didn't even turn the computer off) and told 'em I needed to do a
> transfer of $xxxx to a company in Tokyo and filled out a short form (no
> more complicated than writing a check). The bank clerk wished me a good
> day and I drove straight home (10-minute trip).
>
> When I got home there was an e-mail in my in box thanking me for my
> payment and assuring me that my stuff would ship out of Taipei (where the
> factory was) that afternoon.
>
> There really isn't much to it.
Agreed. When I receive an order from overseas, I require the bank tranfer
and send out very clear, step by step instructions. If the other end simplt
prints the instructions and brings them to the bank (and the bankers read
English), then the instructions cover all the bases and then some...
The only difficulty I have is getting them to cover the wire transfer fees
that I make *them* pay. About 60% of the time, my payment comes in anywhere
from $10 to $40 short... But on a $xxxx order, that's acceptable to me
since I'd pay the same thing in credit card fees here in the US if someone
paid with V/MC, etc.
Regards,
Joe Agro, Jr.
(800) 871-5022
01.908.542.0244
Automatic / Pneumatic Drills: http://www.AutoDrill.com
Multiple Spindle Drills: http://www.Multi-Drill.com
Flagship Site: http://www.Drill-N-Tap.com
V8013-R
sweet sawdust <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Morris Dovey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > Person: jim walker <[email protected]>
> > Business: J. Best Co. Lmt
> > Amesh Shipping
> >
> > Sends e-mail wanting to purchase merchandise - in my case it was an
> > unspecified number of tilt-top shop carts (see at link in sig) -
> > with payment by credit card with shipment to Sweden.
> >
> > I responded to the initial query with the suggestion that he could
> > have the carts produced in Sweden for less than the cost of
> > shipping from my location - and offered to provide contact info for
> > a Swedish shop that I knew would do a first class job for a
> > reasonable price. The response was strange enough that I did web
> > searches on both the
> > person and the business <patting self on back>.
> >
> > What I found was that both names have been used to order
> > merchandise with MasterCard payment, and a requirement was made to
> > use "Amesh Shipping". Amesh then required an (up front) shipping
> > payment. The MasterCard payment used a stolen/bogus card number and the
> > transaction would be reversed (removing the deposited funds from
> > the merchant account), and there would be no means of recovering
> > the payment (typically $2000-3000) made to Amesh Shipping.
> >
> > I went to my server log to look at hits to the web page where the
> > carts are shown (they aren't offered for sale) and /think/ I know
> > where the scammer is viewing the page from. FYI, here's the best I
> > could find: Suspected Location: Accra, Ghana
> > Suspected Server ref: adsl25164.4u.com.gh
> >
> > I haven't ever mentioned these carts to anyone except here on the
> > wreck, so it seems appropriate to post a warning here (just in
> > case). --
> > Morris Dovey
> > DeSoto Solar
> > DeSoto, Iowa USA
> > http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/Projects/PanelCart/
>
> They aren't the only ones trying this trick. I got an order for 100
> games to be shipped to England. Same basic story, only this was a
> broker in New York City that was handling the deal. I googled the
> address and called it only to find that they had never heard of the
> person. It always pays to do a basic background check on any order
> that is the least bit unusual. They wanted me to ship by their
> shipper and when I informed them that I could ship for less then 1/4
> their cost they agreed to the lower shipping cost but wanted 2 high
> end laptops included in the shipment, a sure redflag of a scam.
Our local papers have been reporting similar scams being used on local
florists, where they are looking for very large orders of flowers to be
shipped by their shipping company. One florist had a large credit card
payment charged back to him even though the credit card company had
authorized the charge.
sweet sawdust wrote:
> I think that is part of the problem,
> One, the orders are small, in my case under $2,000, before shipping.
> Two, the billing address is in the US but the shipping address is
> overseas.
> Two small for a bank transfer to be common since it is with small
> businesses, who are unfamiliar with the bank transfer procedure.
My learning experience was in the other direction, but it covers the
bases reasonably well...
I needed to order materials from a Japanese company and their sales guy
told me I needed to do a bank transfer before they'd ship. I hustled to
my bank (didn't even turn the computer off) and told 'em I needed to do
a transfer of $xxxx to a company in Tokyo and filled out a short form
(no more complicated than writing a check). The bank clerk wished me a
good day and I drove straight home (10-minute trip).
When I got home there was an e-mail in my in box thanking me for my
payment and assuring me that my stuff would ship out of Taipei (where
the factory was) that afternoon.
There really isn't much to it.
--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/
Joe AutoDrill wrote:
> The only difficulty I have is getting them to cover the wire transfer fees
> that I make *them* pay. About 60% of the time, my payment comes in anywhere
> from $10 to $40 short... But on a $xxxx order, that's acceptable to me
> since I'd pay the same thing in credit card fees here in the US if someone
> paid with V/MC, etc.
Y'know, I've been sitting here experiencing serious deja vu. I spent
more than two months trying to buy those materials from a US supplier
(none of whom would reply to voice or e-mails) before I widened my
search beyond our borders. I can't begin to describe how frustrating
that was. Three e-mail exchanges with a gentleman in Tokyo, and a ten
minute trip to the bank brought my materials to central Iowa in just
three days.
For a week now now I've been trying to get my hands on a ball valve with
metal seats for a high-temperature solar engine, and I haven't been able
to get a human to talk to me. The current frustrator is an outfit up in
Milford, Michigan (Yes I do understand that the folks in Michigan are so
up to their eyeballs in work that it's probably not worth their time to
respond to /new/ customers - not).
Methinks it's time to stop screwing around and go global - again. :(
--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/
Robatoy wrote:
> Lee Valley 'gets it'.
Yuppers (We've noticed)
> What I would like to see, if I place an order, and they take one of
> the major credit cards, that they'd give me a 3.5% discount if I send
> them a cheque ahead of their shipping the goods.
I'm willing to do that - order from me! :-)
Something you might find interesting is that in six years of business,
I've /never/ had a customer check bounce. That's had me scratching my
head a bit...
--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/
J. Clarke wrote:
> American business is often its own worst enemy.
And yet, I have good memories of Philly and northern NJ when no matter
what I needed, someone had an uncle who could not only supply it, but
supply it (or make it) for less than I'd likely find it anywhere else.
I'll admit that I did turn down an offer to supply me with a (new) 1403
for only $2500 - with considerable regret on my part. :)
--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/
-MIKE- wrote:
> Morris Dovey wrote:
>> And yet, I have good memories of Philly and northern NJ when no matter
>> what I needed, someone had an uncle who could not only supply it, but
>> supply it (or make it) for less than I'd likely find it anywhere else.
>
> Yes, but it also came with the stipulation that,
> "Someday, and that day may never come, I'll call upon you to do a
> service for me."
I hear you - and fortunately the good deals I got came from people for
whom I'd either already done a (legitimate) software-related favor or
were fellow hams "getting even" for help I'd given freely.
The questionable offers tended to scare the hell out of me...
...although I admit to being tempted at one point during my divorce.
--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/
Morris Dovey wrote:
>
> Person: jim walker <[email protected]>
> Business: J. Best Co. Lmt
> Amesh Shipping
> Suspected Location: Accra, Ghana
> Suspected Server ref: adsl25164.4u.com.gh
He's baaack! :)
In this morning's mail:
" My name is James and i am a self own business
person,I contact to make a order of Solar Panel and many more ,So i
will like to know if you do sale Solar Panel ?If yes then get back to me
with your models and price list so that i can make my selection and get
back to you with the quantity that i may need including your major
credit card that you accept ,name and contact number.Try as much as you
can to get back to me asap .Thank You and i will be looking forward to
your urgent respond.
James Story"
Headers indicate a server in North Accra, Ghana.
--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/
Larry Blanchard wrote:
> On Sun, 29 Mar 2009 09:38:55 -0500, Morris Dovey wrote:
>
>>> Business: J. Best Co. Lmt
>>> Amesh Shipping
>>> Suspected Location: Accra, Ghana
>>> Suspected Server ref: adsl25164.4u.com.gh
>> He's baaack! :)
>
> Ya'know, if you had the time and energy to waste you could keep this guy
> dangling for quite some time. I've seen it done for the Nigerian
> prisoner scam and it was hilarious.
I learned very early in life that playing with turds makes your hands
smell bad. :)
--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/
This guy just can't quit. This morning's e-mail from the same server in
Accra (Ghana):
=====
Hi,
I am Mr. Joseph Brown.
I will like to order 2 of the 180 Watt Lake Lite Solar Panels from your
store.
I will arrange for my own Shipping which will ship my units to Australia.
I will like you to email me asap with the total cost of the units
including taxes.
I will also like to know the for of payment you accept
Waiting
Mr. Joseph Brown.
=====
(I don't sell PV panels)
Future posts will be tagged "OT - Humor" :)
--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/
On Mar 13, 12:36=A0pm, "Lee Michaels"
<leemichaels*[email protected]> wrote:
> "Morris Dovey" wrote
>
> > For a week now now I've been trying to get my hands on a ball valve wit=
h
> > metal seats for a high-temperature solar engine, and I haven't been abl=
e
> > to get a human to talk to me. The current frustrator is an outfit up in
> > Milford, Michigan (Yes I do understand that the folks in Michigan are s=
o
> > up to their eyeballs in work that it's probably not worth their time to
> > respond to /new/ customers - not).
>
> > Methinks it's time to stop screwing around and go global - again. :(
>
> I know the feeling. =A0I have ordered items from New Zealand and China be=
cause
> I could not get them in the US. =A0Shipping was high, but they had items =
in
> stock and would talk to me.
>
> Maybe Obama should put in his economic "stimulus" bill something about US
> companies actually answering their phone/e-mail.
Our little Snowflake, (15) wanted some UG winter boots. So Angela
looked around for her and all the UG's were made in China and stupid
money. On-line, we found the original UG's, in Australia, for less
money, shipping included and had them in three days. THREE days from
Oz.
I can buy electronic parts in Denmark and have them over-night if I
want to pay extra, three days if I don't.
Lee Valley 'gets it'.
What I would like to see, if I place an order, and they take one of
the major credit cards, that they'd give me a 3.5% discount if I send
them a cheque ahead of their shipping the goods.
Same with a LOC, give me a discount.
"Morris Dovey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Person: jim walker <[email protected]>
> Business: J. Best Co. Lmt
> Amesh Shipping
>
> Sends e-mail wanting to purchase merchandise - in my case it was an
> unspecified number of tilt-top shop carts (see at link in sig) - with
> payment by credit card with shipment to Sweden.
>
> I responded to the initial query with the suggestion that he could have
> the carts produced in Sweden for less than the cost of shipping from my
> location - and offered to provide contact info for a Swedish shop that I
> knew would do a first class job for a reasonable price.
>
> The response was strange enough that I did web searches on both the person
> and the business <patting self on back>.
>
> What I found was that both names have been used to order merchandise with
> MasterCard payment, and a requirement was made to use "Amesh Shipping".
> Amesh then required an (up front) shipping payment.
>
> The MasterCard payment used a stolen/bogus card number and the transaction
> would be reversed (removing the deposited funds from the merchant
> account), and there would be no means of recovering the payment (typically
> $2000-3000) made to Amesh Shipping.
>
> I went to my server log to look at hits to the web page where the carts
> are shown (they aren't offered for sale) and /think/ I know where the
> scammer is viewing the page from. FYI, here's the best I could find:
>
> Suspected Location: Accra, Ghana
> Suspected Server ref: adsl25164.4u.com.gh
>
> I haven't ever mentioned these carts to anyone except here on the wreck,
> so it seems appropriate to post a warning here (just in case).
>
> --
> Morris Dovey
> DeSoto Solar
> DeSoto, Iowa USA
> http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/Projects/PanelCart/
They aren't the only ones trying this trick. I got an order for 100 games
to be shipped to England. Same basic story, only this was a broker in New
York City that was handling the deal. I googled the address and called it
only to find that they had never heard of the person. It always pays to do
a basic background check on any order that is the least bit unusual. They
wanted me to ship by their shipper and when I informed them that I could
ship for less then 1/4 their cost they agreed to the lower shipping cost but
wanted 2 high end laptops included in the shipment, a sure redflag of a
scam.
In article <[email protected]>, -MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:
>Bored Borg wrote:
>> Unforgivably gauche is
>> My name is Mr. John Smith.
>>
>
>Try working in academia where everyone introduces themselves as "Dr."
>this-n-that.
I bet they don't introduce themselves to other doctoral-degreed professors
that way, only to those with lesser academic qualifications -- which makes it
doubly gauche.
The couple across the street are a chemist and a college professor, both now
retired. I believe that, between the two of them, they have at least three
doctorate and three masters degrees. They introduce themselves simply as
"Gloria" and "Andrew".
Dave Balderstone wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>, Doug Miller
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> In article <[email protected]>,
>> [email protected] wrote:
>> >On Mon, 6 Apr 2009 19:14:25 +0100, Doug Miller wrote
>> >(in article <[email protected]>):
>> >
>> >> The couple across the street are a chemist and a college professor,
>> >> both now
>> >> retired. I believe that, between the two of them, they have at least
>> >> three doctorate and three masters degrees. They introduce themselves
>> >> simply as "Gloria" and "Andrew".
>> >
>> >Now that is _class_
>>
>> Indeed.
>>
>> I am proud to be able to count them among my friends.
>
> It's nice to hear about the size 12 souls in the size 6 egos for a
> change, instead of always the other way 'round.
>
I've had the honor of working for/with some very brilliant minds in my
industry -- PhD's and those who have the innate knowledge that a PhD would
be a waste of their time. I've found that those who are really good are
the most humble and personable people to be around. They are good, it's
just a part of their being, they don't have to flaunt it. It's some of
those who have gotten those credentials and who aren't really that good at
what they do that are the most arrogant, irritating and difficult people to
work with. They aren't really that good, they kind of sense that and in
order to make up for that inadequacy, they tend to make up for lack of
ability with bluster and bullying. The first group is a joy to know and
work with, the latter, not so much. Sounds like your friends are members
of the first group.
There is a third group who are just plain people, regardless of their
talents who don't use their abilities as the focus of their being. They
are also good people with whom to be associated.
> I'm sure I'd enjoy meeting your friends.
--
If you're going to be dumb, you better be tough
"Charlie Self" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:dea2f45a-154a-4cdf-acd9-f2311a3b774a@e12g2000vbe.googlegroups.com...
On Mar 29, 1:11 pm, Morris Dovey <[email protected]> wrote:
> Larry Blanchard wrote:
> > On Sun, 29 Mar 2009 09:38:55 -0500, Morris Dovey wrote:
>
> >>> Business: J. Best Co. Lmt
> >>> Amesh Shipping
> >>> Suspected Location: Accra, Ghana
> >>> Suspected Server ref: adsl25164.4u.com.gh
> >> He's baaack! :)
>
> > Ya'know, if you had the time and energy to waste you could keep this guy
> > dangling for quite some time. I've seen it done for the Nigerian
> > prisoner scam and it was hilarious.
>
> I learned very early in life that playing with turds makes your hands
> smell bad. :)
>
> --
> Morris Dovey
> DeSoto Solar
> DeSoto, Iowa USAhttp://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/
There is no end of scams and you don't have to go to Ghana to find
one. We've been getting vehicle warranty phone calls at a fantastic
rate, sometimes three or more a day. I finally punched "1" a couple of
days ago. Some idiot comes on with "Warranty Sales Department, how can
I help you." A native English speaker, at that! Not Limey, or Aussie
or SingSong. So I said, "Sure. Explain to me why you clowns keep
calling us when we're on the 'do not call" list." He hung up
immediately. I should have strung him out a bit. Hell, I've got a '98
Chev S10 pick-up and an '00 Dodge Stratus that could USE some warranty
work.
We got a check for $3,850 the other day, with a request that we
deposit it, send $1,350 as a payment, so we could claim our xxx bucks
winning prize. I've got that here to go to the post office when I get
time. It's from a Canadian address.
I always wonder about those penis lengtheners in spam, too. Do they
send a brick and a piece of string when you pay? Or nothing?
<end of original message>
Charlie,
Probably from Warranty Division of Atlanta; www.warrantyactivations.com.
They've called me a few times, but I've only *57'd them twice. After the
third time, my phone company says that I can lodge a complaint against 'em.
Kerry
In article <060420091900007193%dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca>, Dave Balderstone <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>, Doug Miller
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> In article <[email protected]>,
>> [email protected] wrote:
>> >On Mon, 6 Apr 2009 19:14:25 +0100, Doug Miller wrote
>> >(in article <[email protected]>):
>> >
>> >> The couple across the street are a chemist and a college professor, both
>> >> now
>> >> retired. I believe that, between the two of them, they have at least three
>
>> >> doctorate and three masters degrees. They introduce themselves simply as
>> >> "Gloria" and "Andrew".
>> >
>> >Now that is _class_
>>
>> Indeed.
>>
>> I am proud to be able to count them among my friends.
>
>It's nice to hear about the size 12 souls in the size 6 egos for a
>change, instead of always the other way 'round.
>
>I'm sure I'd enjoy meeting your friends.
If you're ever passing through Indianapolis, let me know. I'll introduce you.
We require payment by bank transfer for any international sales... But I
suppose that wouldn't stop someone from doing the same to a USA address.
Regards,
Joe Agro, Jr.
(800) 871-5022
01.908.542.0244
Automatic / Pneumatic Drills: http://www.AutoDrill.com
Multiple Spindle Drills: http://www.Multi-Drill.com
Flagship Site: http://www.Drill-N-Tap.com
V8013-R
"Bored Borg" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> The first give away is anyone announcing themselves as "Mr." It's just
> so..
> foreign. I can tolerate the bad engrish but the nasty etiquette is simply
> unforgivable.
You may find it hard to believe, but some people still use and prefer to use
the more formal "Mr.". There is nothing nasty about etiquette, only the
lack of it. That, sir, is unforgivable.
On Sun, 29 Mar 2009 09:38:55 -0500, Morris Dovey wrote:
>> Business: J. Best Co. Lmt
>> Amesh Shipping
>
>> Suspected Location: Accra, Ghana
>> Suspected Server ref: adsl25164.4u.com.gh
>
> He's baaack! :)
Ya'know, if you had the time and energy to waste you could keep this guy
dangling for quite some time. I've seen it done for the Nigerian
prisoner scam and it was hilarious.
--
Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw
Lee Michaels wrote:
>
> "Ed Pawlowski" wrote
>>
>> From Wickipedia
>> Esquire (abbreviated Esq.) is a term of British origin, originally used
>> to denote social status. Ultimately deriving from the medieval squires
>> who assisted knights, the term came to be used automatically by men of
>> gentle birth. The social rank of Esquire is that above gentleman. More
>> specifically, though, a distinction was made between men of the upper and
>> lower gentry, who were "esquires" and "gentlemen" respectively (between,
>> for example, "Thomas Smith, Esq." and "William Jones, Gent.").
>> Today, however, the term may be appended to the name of any man not
>> possessing a higher title (such as that of knighthood or peerage) or a
>> clerical one. In the United States, however, "esquire" is most commonly
>> assumed by lawyers in a professional capacity and has come to be
>> associated by many Americans solely with the legal profession.
>>
> =================
>
> Interesting. I always thought the terms scumbag. bloodsucker, parasite and
> shyster were associated with the legal profession.
Yabbut that doesn't fit on a business card very well.
--
If you're going to be dumb, you better be tough
Lee Michaels wrote:
>
> "Ed Pawlowski" wrote
>>
>> From Wickipedia
>> Esquire (abbreviated Esq.) is a term of British origin, originally used
>> to denote social status. Ultimately deriving from the medieval squires
>> who assisted knights, the term came to be used automatically by men of
>> gentle birth. The social rank of Esquire is that above gentleman. More
>> specifically, though, a distinction was made between men of the upper and
>> lower gentry, who were "esquires" and "gentlemen" respectively (between,
>> for example, "Thomas Smith, Esq." and "William Jones, Gent.").
>> Today, however, the term may be appended to the name of any man not
>> possessing a higher title (such as that of knighthood or peerage) or a
>> clerical one. In the United States, however, "esquire" is most commonly
>> assumed by lawyers in a professional capacity and has come to be
>> associated by many Americans solely with the legal profession.
>>
> =================
>
> Interesting. I always thought the terms scumbag. bloodsucker, parasite and
> shyster were associated with the legal profession.
Yabbut that doesn't fit on a business card very well.
--
If you're going to be dumb, you better be tough
On Mar 29, 1:11=A0pm, Morris Dovey <[email protected]> wrote:
> Larry Blanchard wrote:
> > On Sun, 29 Mar 2009 09:38:55 -0500, Morris Dovey wrote:
>
> >>> Business: J. Best Co. Lmt
> >>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Amesh Shipping
> >>> =A0 Suspected Location: Accra, Ghana
> >>> Suspected Server ref: adsl25164.4u.com.gh
> >> He's baaack! :)
>
> > Ya'know, if you had the time and energy to waste you could keep this gu=
y
> > dangling for quite some time. =A0I've seen it done for the Nigerian
> > prisoner scam and it was hilarious.
>
> I learned very early in life that playing with turds makes your hands
> smell bad. :)
>
> --
> Morris Dovey
> DeSoto Solar
> DeSoto, Iowa USAhttp://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/
There is no end of scams and you don't have to go to Ghana to find
one. We've been getting vehicle warranty phone calls at a fantastic
rate, sometimes three or more a day. I finally punched "1" a couple of
days ago. Some idiot comes on with "Warranty Sales Department, how can
I help you." A native English speaker, at that! Not Limey, or Aussie
or SingSong. So I said, "Sure. Explain to me why you clowns keep
calling us when we're on the 'do not call" list." He hung up
immediately. I should have strung him out a bit. Hell, I've got a '98
Chev S10 pick-up and an '00 Dodge Stratus that could USE some warranty
work.
We got a check for $3,850 the other day, with a request that we
deposit it, send $1,350 as a payment, so we could claim our xxx bucks
winning prize. I've got that here to go to the post office when I get
time. It's from a Canadian address.
I always wonder about those penis lengtheners in spam, too. Do they
send a brick and a piece of string when you pay? Or nothing?
Morris Dovey wrote:
> Joe AutoDrill wrote:
>
>> The only difficulty I have is getting them to cover the wire
>> transfer fees that I make *them* pay. About 60% of the time, my
>> payment comes in anywhere from $10 to $40 short... But on a $xxxx
>> order, that's acceptable to me since I'd pay the same thing in
>> credit card fees here in the US if someone paid with V/MC, etc.
>
> Y'know, I've been sitting here experiencing serious deja vu. I spent
> more than two months trying to buy those materials from a US supplier
> (none of whom would reply to voice or e-mails) before I widened my
> search beyond our borders. I can't begin to describe how frustrating
> that was. Three e-mail exchanges with a gentleman in Tokyo, and a ten
> minute trip to the bank brought my materials to central Iowa in just
> three days.
>
> For a week now now I've been trying to get my hands on a ball valve
> with metal seats for a high-temperature solar engine, and I haven't
> been able to get a human to talk to me. The current frustrator is an
> outfit up in Milford, Michigan (Yes I do understand that the folks in
> Michigan are so up to their eyeballs in work that it's probably not
> worth their time to respond to /new/ customers - not).
>
> Methinks it's time to stop screwing around and go global - again. :(
American business is often its own worst enemy.
Morris Dovey wrote:
> And yet, I have good memories of Philly and northern NJ when no matter
> what I needed, someone had an uncle who could not only supply it, but
> supply it (or make it) for less than I'd likely find it anywhere else.
>
Yes, but it also came with the stipulation that,
"Someday, and that day may never come, I'll call upon you to do a
service for me."
--
-MIKE-
"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com
[email protected]
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Morris Dovey wrote:
> This guy just can't quit. This morning's e-mail from the same server in
> Accra (Ghana):
>
> =====
> Hi,
> I am Mr. Joseph Brown.
> I will like to order 2 of the 180 Watt Lake Lite Solar Panels from your
> store.
> I will arrange for my own Shipping which will ship my units to Australia.
> I will like you to email me asap with the total cost of the units
> including taxes.
> I will also like to know the for of payment you accept
> Waiting
>
> Mr. Joseph Brown.
> =====
I am think they speaking English in Australia. :-)
--
-MIKE-
"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com
[email protected]
---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply
Bored Borg wrote:
> Unforgivably gauche is
> My name is Mr. John Smith.
>
Try working in academia where everyone introduces themselves as "Dr."
this-n-that.
--
-MIKE-
"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com
[email protected]
---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply
Doug Miller wrote:
>> Try working in academia where everyone introduces themselves as "Dr."
>> this-n-that.
>
> I bet they don't introduce themselves to other doctoral-degreed professors
> that way, only to those with lesser academic qualifications -- which makes it
> doubly gauche.
>
My policy was, you don't get called, "Doctor," unless you can save my
life. :-)
--
-MIKE-
"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com
[email protected]
---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
>On Mon, 6 Apr 2009 19:14:25 +0100, Doug Miller wrote
>(in article <[email protected]>):
>
>> The couple across the street are a chemist and a college professor, both now
>> retired. I believe that, between the two of them, they have at least three
>> doctorate and three masters degrees. They introduce themselves simply as
>> "Gloria" and "Andrew".
>
>Now that is _class_
Indeed.
I am proud to be able to count them among my friends.
"HeyBub" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> -MIKE- wrote:
>> Bored Borg wrote:
>>> Unforgivably gauche is
>>> My name is Mr. John Smith.
>>>
>>
>> Try working in academia where everyone introduces themselves as "Dr."
>> this-n-that.
>
> In Germany, it could well be Herr Doktor Doktor Doktor Schmidt.
>
> What is REALLY silly is a lawyer's business card that reads
>
> Helen Dorothy Smith, Esq.
>
> In heraldry, "Esquire" is one rank above "Gentleman." I suppose the broads
> think they're better than we plebians.
From Wickipedia
Esquire (abbreviated Esq.) is a term of British origin, originally used to
denote social status. Ultimately deriving from the medieval squires who
assisted knights, the term came to be used automatically by men of gentle
birth. The social rank of Esquire is that above gentleman. More
specifically, though, a distinction was made between men of the upper and
lower gentry, who were "esquires" and "gentlemen" respectively (between, for
example, "Thomas Smith, Esq." and "William Jones, Gent.").
Today, however, the term may be appended to the name of any man not
possessing a higher title (such as that of knighthood or peerage) or a
clerical one. In the United States, however, "esquire" is most commonly
assumed by lawyers in a professional capacity and has come to be associated
by many Americans solely with the legal profession.
-MIKE- wrote:
> Bored Borg wrote:
>> Unforgivably gauche is
>> My name is Mr. John Smith.
>>
>
> Try working in academia where everyone introduces themselves as "Dr."
> this-n-that.
In Germany, it could well be Herr Doktor Doktor Doktor Schmidt.
What is REALLY silly is a lawyer's business card that reads
Helen Dorothy Smith, Esq.
In heraldry, "Esquire" is one rank above "Gentleman." I suppose the broads
think they're better than we plebians.
-MIKE- wrote:
> Morris Dovey wrote:
>> This guy just can't quit. This morning's e-mail from the same server
>> in Accra (Ghana):
>>
>> =====
>> Hi,
>> I am Mr. Joseph Brown.
>> I will like to order 2 of the 180 Watt Lake Lite Solar Panels from
>> your store.
>> I will arrange for my own Shipping which will ship my units to Australia.
>> I will like you to email me asap with the total cost of the units
>> including taxes.
>> I will also like to know the for of payment you accept
>> Waiting
>>
>> Mr. Joseph Brown.
>> =====
>
>
> I am think they speaking English in Australia. :-)
>
>
Is that what you call it...
"Joe AutoDrill" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> We require payment by bank transfer for any international sales... But I
> suppose that wouldn't stop someone from doing the same to a USA address.
>
> Regards,
> Joe Agro, Jr.
> (800) 871-5022
> 01.908.542.0244
> Automatic / Pneumatic Drills: http://www.AutoDrill.com
> Multiple Spindle Drills: http://www.Multi-Drill.com
> Flagship Site: http://www.Drill-N-Tap.com
>
> V8013-R
>
I think that is part of the problem,
One, the orders are small, in my case under $2,000, before shipping.
Two, the billing address is in the US but the shipping address is
overseas.
Two small for a bank transfer to be common since it is with small
businesses, who are unfamiliar with the bank transfer procedure. The
perpetrators are out of country and law enforcement doesn't want to get
involved. The small business thinks it is dealing with someone in country so
they are safe. Most of the small crafters are poor businessmen, since their
interest is in the craft not in the business side of the operation. This
makes them very easy to scam, A wire transfer or a little background check
is the way it should be done, but most crafters are too trusting to bother
with that or learn about it. In the group of crafters I hang out with we
have quite a collection of bogus certified checks, overseas orders paid for
with bad credit cards and the like. Nobody has been burned yet but is has
been close a couple of times and a lot of time has been spent on bogus
orders until they are found to be scams. Unlike companies that sell to
companies most crafters sell to individuals who may or maynot have a
verifiable business location, this makes it harder to check up on. If they
are in country it is not so bad as you recieve some protection from various
laws, and can check with local people in the buyers area to confirm that
they are legit but out of country buyers are a real pain in the neck to
check at times. Enough rambeling for now.