Newbie question here. I've scoured the net, and can't find much on the two
flavors of Shop Fox fences for the Grizzly G1023 Cabinet Saw.
I'm in the process of setting up my first shop, and I'm trying to decide
whether it's worth the extra $ to go with the G1023Z over the G1023S. I
called Grizzly today, and they said the only differences are the hinged
motor cover on the Z and the fence system.
The Z has the "Shop Fox Fence," and the less-expensive S has the "Shop Fox
Classic Fence." Near as I can tell, the "Classic" is a Biesemeyer clone.
But the fence on the Z actually locks down on the far rail as well. They
say it moves parallel to the blade (within .004") whether it's locked or
not.
Does anyone have any experience with either of these?
Any help would be appreciated!!!
Hi Mark,
I bought the 1023SL about 3 months ago. I picked it over
the Z and the 1023S because it was about 100 lb heavier
and had motor cover/dust port which the S did not have.
This is a great saw. I like the SF fence a lot. I checked out
the new Sears cabinet saw in person at a local store just
to see if the Bies fence was that much better-I don't think so.
The 1023SL was very easy to set up and was very accurate
out of the box - just minimum adjustment.
Good luck with your purchase!
Lou
In article <1112399573.6732136bc3108f82e8be2179352fb3a8@teranews>, Mark
Cooper <[email protected]> wrote:
> Newbie question here. I've scoured the net, and can't find much on the two
> flavors of Shop Fox fences for the Grizzly G1023 Cabinet Saw.
>
> I'm in the process of setting up my first shop, and I'm trying to decide
> whether it's worth the extra $ to go with the G1023Z over the G1023S. I
> called Grizzly today, and they said the only differences are the hinged
> motor cover on the Z and the fence system.
>
> The Z has the "Shop Fox Fence," and the less-expensive S has the "Shop Fox
> Classic Fence." Near as I can tell, the "Classic" is a Biesemeyer clone.
> But the fence on the Z actually locks down on the far rail as well. They
> say it moves parallel to the blade (within .004") whether it's locked or
> not.
>
> Does anyone have any experience with either of these?
>
> Any help would be appreciated!!!
>
>
Hi Bob,
I agree with you. My previous TS had a fence that locked
down front & back. Sounds good, but every time I locked
my end, I had to go to the front end and check the
alignment with my tape. Often, if running a lot of
lumber/plywood at the same width, I would clamp the
fence to be sure that it would not wander.
My new SF (Griz 1023SL)fence is way better and seems to lock into
alignment with no problem.
I am sure that there are excellent fences that lock
down on both ends, but I am satisfied so far. It's been
a whole 3 months tho, so we will see.
Lou
In article <[email protected]>, Bob G.
<[email protected]> wrote:
> On Sat, 02 Apr 2005 11:53:30 -0800, Tim Douglass
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >On Sat, 02 Apr 2005 12:30:39 -0500, Bob G.
> ><[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >>The one statement you made above...
> >> (Z actually locks down on the far rail as well)
> >>
> >>Is all I need to tell you NOT to get that one.... I will NEVER ever
> >>own a fence that locks down both front and back...NEVER AGIAN
> >
> >Why? That kind of vehemence is usually reserved for things that have
> >led to disaster. Personally I've never used any fence that *didn't*
> >lock down both front and rear and can't think of a single reason to
> >eschew them.
> ============
>
> Well when a fence locks down out of alignment it is a disaster...and
> after having this happen more times then I care to remember I have
> cause to SHOUT my disaproval of any fence that even has the tendancy
> to do so..
>
> Once aligned to the front rail a front lock fence like the Bies and
> its clones will lock down in the exact alignment as it was set up
> for...time after time.
>
> With a fence that locks both front and back...there is a tendancy for
> the rear lock to pull or push the rear of the fence slightly out of
> position...as it is locked down.. thus the fence is no longer in
> alignment...
>
> Just my opinion...and I honestly will never own another fence that
> "may" lock down out of square ..
>
> Bob Griffiths
>
>
>
On Sat, 02 Apr 2005 12:30:39 -0500, Bob G.
<[email protected]> wrote:
>The one statement you made above...
> (Z actually locks down on the far rail as well)
>
>Is all I need to tell you NOT to get that one.... I will NEVER ever
>own a fence that locks down both front and back...NEVER AGIAN
Why? That kind of vehemence is usually reserved for things that have
led to disaster. Personally I've never used any fence that *didn't*
lock down both front and rear and can't think of a single reason to
eschew them.
--
"We need to make a sacrifice to the gods, find me a young virgin... oh, and bring something to kill"
Tim Douglass
http://www.DouglassClan.com
Thanks to everyone...based on all your good advice, I just ordered the
G1023SL...not only is it a left tilt, but it appears to have the better
fence as well.
Thanks again for all your experience.
"Mark Cooper" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:1112399573.6732136bc3108f82e8be2179352fb3a8@teranews...
> Newbie question here. I've scoured the net, and can't find much on the
> two flavors of Shop Fox fences for the Grizzly G1023 Cabinet Saw.
>
> I'm in the process of setting up my first shop, and I'm trying to decide
> whether it's worth the extra $ to go with the G1023Z over the G1023S. I
> called Grizzly today, and they said the only differences are the hinged
> motor cover on the Z and the fence system.
>
> The Z has the "Shop Fox Fence," and the less-expensive S has the "Shop Fox
> Classic Fence." Near as I can tell, the "Classic" is a Biesemeyer clone.
> But the fence on the Z actually locks down on the far rail as well. They
> say it moves parallel to the blade (within .004") whether it's locked or
> not.
>
> Does anyone have any experience with either of these?
>
> Any help would be appreciated!!!
>
Hi Mark,
I have a 1023Z. I love the fence. It has stayed true through one year
of regular use.
I bought the Z model because I wanted the better fence, the T slot in
the top is great for adding on jigs and using the board buddies (I cut
a lot of 3/4" stock).
If you wait, Grizzly may have a sale, I got mine for $995, which was
$100 off list last year.
Heres some pictures of mine with the board buddies on the fence.
http://www.clsid.com/nsw/saw/index.html
Hi Mark, Which version do you have? Is this the
version that clamps down on the front and back.? Thanks Gerald
On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 03:51:52 GMT, "Mark Jerde"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Mark Cooper wrote:
>> Newbie question here. I've scoured the net, and can't find much on
>> the two flavors of Shop Fox fences for the Grizzly G1023 Cabinet Saw.
>>
>> I'm in the process of setting up my first shop, and I'm trying to
>> decide whether it's worth the extra $ to go with the G1023Z over the
>> G1023S. I called Grizzly today, and they said the only differences
>> are the hinged motor cover on the Z and the fence system.
>>
>> The Z has the "Shop Fox Fence," and the less-expensive S has the
>> "Shop Fox Classic Fence." Near as I can tell, the "Classic" is a
>> Biesemeyer clone. But the fence on the Z actually locks down on the
>> far rail as well. They say it moves parallel to the blade (within
>> .004") whether it's locked or not.
>>
>> Does anyone have any experience with either of these?
>>
>> Any help would be appreciated!!!
>
>I bought the "Shop Fox Fence" because I thought I wanted it. Now I'm
>planning to get rid of it when I can afford a new fence. It doesn't get
>very close to the blade, the so-called micro-adjust is a joke, and the
>amount it hangs off the back of the saw makes it difficult to mount a
>permanent, useful outfeed table.
>
> -- Mark
>
I've had the 1023S with the classic fence for about 18 months and like the
setup. Mine has the 50" fence with the optional extended table to the right
of the blade. As for the fence, it's sturdy, stable and has not gone out of
adjustment since setting up the saw when new. While I am not in a
production setting, I have ripped 3/4" sheet of 4 x 8 plywood and heavy 10'
(x 30") sheets of solid surface and the fence, from what I can tell, did not
deflect when the material was pushed through the blade. As I recall the
1023Z's fence had some trouble (in a magazine TS comparison article) in
getting close to the blade due to interference with the blade guard or
something. I also like the classic fence's slick plastic sides. It
certainly reduces friction and binding when one makes cuts using
featherboards. In short, when I compare the 1023 to the lower end Delta and
Jet cabinet saws, I don't see a large difference in quality, but I am sure
that there are folks out there that will take issue with this opinion.
Good luck with your purchase.
TEF
"Mark Cooper" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:1112399573.6732136bc3108f82e8be2179352fb3a8@teranews...
> Newbie question here. I've scoured the net, and can't find much on the
two
> flavors of Shop Fox fences for the Grizzly G1023 Cabinet Saw.
>
> I'm in the process of setting up my first shop, and I'm trying to decide
> whether it's worth the extra $ to go with the G1023Z over the G1023S. I
> called Grizzly today, and they said the only differences are the hinged
> motor cover on the Z and the fence system.
>
> The Z has the "Shop Fox Fence," and the less-expensive S has the "Shop Fox
> Classic Fence." Near as I can tell, the "Classic" is a Biesemeyer clone.
> But the fence on the Z actually locks down on the far rail as well. They
> say it moves parallel to the blade (within .004") whether it's locked or
> not.
>
> Does anyone have any experience with either of these?
>
> Any help would be appreciated!!!
>
>
[..snip...]
>The Z has the "Shop Fox Fence," and the less-expensive S has the "Shop Fox
>Classic Fence." Near as I can tell, the "Classic" is a Biesemeyer clone.
>But the fence on the Z actually locks down on the far rail as well. They
>say it moves parallel to the blade (within .004") whether it's locked or
>not.
>
>Does anyone have any experience with either of these?
>
>Any help would be appreciated!!!
>
I have the 1023 with the "Classic". It is a Biesemeyer clone. It is
heavy and solid. The faces are UDPE plastic, and not especially flat,
but shimmable, like many similar fences. They are replaceable as well.
If you do a search here using Google Groups, you will see comments
from others indicating this is a good or OK fence. I have to say, it
is a bit rough around the edges, but is effective and stable.
I don't have experience with the Z model that locks down at both ends.
There was a review in Fine Woodworking years ago that compared table
saws, that they faulted this fence for not always locking down
parallel. I believe Grizzly considers this their higher end fence.
I have the classic. It works and is plenty stiff so it doesn't NEED to lock
down on the far side.
When I researched this a couple years back the classic seemed to be a more
popular choice as it is stout and less fussy.
-j
"Mark Cooper" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:1112399573.6732136bc3108f82e8be2179352fb3a8@teranews...
> Newbie question here. I've scoured the net, and can't find much on the
two
> flavors of Shop Fox fences for the Grizzly G1023 Cabinet Saw.
>
> I'm in the process of setting up my first shop, and I'm trying to decide
> whether it's worth the extra $ to go with the G1023Z over the G1023S. I
> called Grizzly today, and they said the only differences are the hinged
> motor cover on the Z and the fence system.
>
> The Z has the "Shop Fox Fence," and the less-expensive S has the "Shop Fox
> Classic Fence." Near as I can tell, the "Classic" is a Biesemeyer clone.
> But the fence on the Z actually locks down on the far rail as well. They
> say it moves parallel to the blade (within .004") whether it's locked or
> not.
>
> Does anyone have any experience with either of these?
>
> Any help would be appreciated!!!
>
>
On Fri, 1 Apr 2005 18:53:49 -0500, "Mark Cooper" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Newbie question here. I've scoured the net, and can't find much on the two
>flavors of Shop Fox fences for the Grizzly G1023 Cabinet Saw.
>
>I'm in the process of setting up my first shop, and I'm trying to decide
>whether it's worth the extra $ to go with the G1023Z over the G1023S. I
>called Grizzly today, and they said the only differences are the hinged
>motor cover on the Z and the fence system.
>
>The Z has the "Shop Fox Fence," and the less-expensive S has the "Shop Fox
>Classic Fence." Near as I can tell, the "Classic" is a Biesemeyer clone.
>But the fence on the Z actually locks down on the far rail as well. They
>say it moves parallel to the blade (within .004") whether it's locked or
>not.
>
>Does anyone have any experience with either of these?
>
>Any help would be appreciated!!!
>
==============================
The one statement you made above...
(Z actually locks down on the far rail as well)
Is all I need to tell you NOT to get that one.... I will NEVER ever
own a fence that locks down both front and back...NEVER AGIAN
I have been running a real Bies, not a clone, and not a Delta
product....for over 15 years and absolutely love it... I did however
stop looking at fences the day I installed mine... so I am not at all
current on what is on the market...no need to be... Any clone should
be just fine...
Bob Griffiths
On Sat, 02 Apr 2005 11:53:30 -0800, Tim Douglass
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Sat, 02 Apr 2005 12:30:39 -0500, Bob G.
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>The one statement you made above...
>> (Z actually locks down on the far rail as well)
>>
>>Is all I need to tell you NOT to get that one.... I will NEVER ever
>>own a fence that locks down both front and back...NEVER AGIAN
>
>Why? That kind of vehemence is usually reserved for things that have
>led to disaster. Personally I've never used any fence that *didn't*
>lock down both front and rear and can't think of a single reason to
>eschew them.
============
Well when a fence locks down out of alignment it is a disaster...and
after having this happen more times then I care to remember I have
cause to SHOUT my disaproval of any fence that even has the tendancy
to do so..
Once aligned to the front rail a front lock fence like the Bies and
its clones will lock down in the exact alignment as it was set up
for...time after time.
With a fence that locks both front and back...there is a tendancy for
the rear lock to pull or push the rear of the fence slightly out of
position...as it is locked down.. thus the fence is no longer in
alignment...
Just my opinion...and I honestly will never own another fence that
"may" lock down out of square ..
Bob Griffiths
On 4 Apr 2005 06:32:12 -0700, "rob" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Hi Mark,
>
>I have a 1023Z. I love the fence. It has stayed true through one year
>of regular use.
>
>I bought the Z model because I wanted the better fence, the T slot in
>the top is great for adding on jigs and using the board buddies (I cut
>a lot of 3/4" stock).
>
>If you wait, Grizzly may have a sale, I got mine for $995, which was
>$100 off list last year.
>
>Heres some pictures of mine with the board buddies on the fence.
>
>http://www.clsid.com/nsw/saw/index.html
Rob, I was able to do the same thing on my 1023SL with Shop Fox
Classic Fence by mounting a board to the top of the fence with a miter
track mounted in it. Board Buddies work just fine on this as well.
TWS
Mark Cooper wrote:
> Newbie question here. I've scoured the net, and can't find much on
> the two flavors of Shop Fox fences for the Grizzly G1023 Cabinet Saw.
>
> I'm in the process of setting up my first shop, and I'm trying to
> decide whether it's worth the extra $ to go with the G1023Z over the
> G1023S. I called Grizzly today, and they said the only differences
> are the hinged motor cover on the Z and the fence system.
>
> The Z has the "Shop Fox Fence," and the less-expensive S has the
> "Shop Fox Classic Fence." Near as I can tell, the "Classic" is a
> Biesemeyer clone. But the fence on the Z actually locks down on the
> far rail as well. They say it moves parallel to the blade (within
> .004") whether it's locked or not.
>
> Does anyone have any experience with either of these?
>
> Any help would be appreciated!!!
I bought the "Shop Fox Fence" because I thought I wanted it. Now I'm
planning to get rid of it when I can afford a new fence. It doesn't get
very close to the blade, the so-called micro-adjust is a joke, and the
amount it hangs off the back of the saw makes it difficult to mount a
permanent, useful outfeed table.
-- Mark