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"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
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On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 23:25:02 -0400, "Mike Marlow"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>CW wrote:
>
>>
>> I never read this group. As a matter of fact, I'm not here now.

We've known that for years, C-dub.
==================================================
LOL

Unfortunately, I have been in this wheelchair since last June and I can't
get into the shop (stairs and no ramp). The computer has been my main
pastime lately. Hopefully, that will change here in a few months. Every
experience is a learning experience if you look at it in the right way. I
now firmly believe that every architect should have to spend a couple of
months in a wheelchair before they can get their degree. Pulled into a
parking lot a while back and found the handicapped parking spaces right in
front of the entrance. Win. Wheelchair ramp on the other side of parking
lot. Fail. I don't use handicapped parking as I feel that there are others
that need them worse than I do but I do notice. Another place. Nice ramp
parallel to building leading to entrance. Win. Entrance door opens out
blocking ramp. Fail. Then we get to the inside. Deep pile carpeting. Like
rolling through mud. Halls so narrow that making a 90 degree turn into a
room is impossible. Many of these things could be taken care of in the
design process and without a great deal, or no, expense. Just a bit of
thought. BTW, if you are into a little entertainment in the "Holy crap. I
didn't think that was possible" area, go to YouTube and search for
"wheelchair backflip".

On 3/20/2012 12:27 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 20:10:21 -0700 (PDT), Greg Guarino
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Mar 19, 2:24 pm, Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>>> On 3/19/2012 8:54 AM, Greg Guarino wrote:
>>>
>>>> Having marveled at the craftsmanship of some of the other "rec"
>>>> denizens, I feel a little sheepish "showing off" a project as relatively
>>>> simple as this:
>>>
>>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdguarino/6994186869/in/set-721576277517...
>>>
>>>> ... but hey, you have to start somewhere. Thanks for all the tips.
>>>
>>> Nice attention to details! I build lots of doors that way.
>>
>> Do you? With splines? It's funny; part of the impetus for this project
>> was to see if I could actually make a panel door. That had seemed like
>> a daunting task before. Now, less so.
>
> Explain how you did it, Greg. What's the config for holding the panel
> in and allowing for expansion. Why the small gap between the rails
> and stiles?

Plywood panel, expansion is not going to be an issue. I believe the
gaps are simply chambered edges.

Greg Guarino wrote:

>
> Don't worry. I am terribly proud of myself, and not just for the
> result, but also for puzzling out solutions for each of the problems
> that came up during the project. I think I have a pretty realistic
> assessment of my skill level, and what I need to improve on. I've
> learned a good bit recently, and I intend to use that learning to make
> better mistakes in the future. :)
>

Heh, heh, heh... "Better mistakes in the future...". This boy's got
promise! Pull up a chair Greg - I'll get someone to buy a beer for you.


> Thanks for the encouragement.

Sure - it's a boy's club after all. We all need it. Well except for
Swingman...

--

-Mike-
[email protected]

On Mar 19, 9:54=A0am, Greg Guarino <[email protected]> wrote:
> Having marveled at the craftsmanship of some of the other "rec"
> denizens, I feel a little sheepish "showing off" a project as relatively
> simple as this:
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdguarino/6994186869/in/set-721576277517...
>
> ... but hey, you have to start somewhere. Thanks for all the tips.
>
> Greg Guarino

I've asked a bunch of questions here and have gleaned quite a bit of
useful info from the 15 or so most prolific regulars. But my Flickr
(photo) account tells me that about 110 people viewed the photo linked
above today. Interesting.

On Mar 19, 10:16=A0pm, tiredofspam <nospam.nospam.com> wrote:
> Please take these constructively. I'm sure you learned a lot during this
> build.
>
> 1. Your Splines =A0grain is going in the wrong direction. You want this t=
o
> provide extra support, so you set the grain to go 90 degrees to what you
> have them.

Hadn't thought of that. I can see now how the strength of the spline
would be greater "your" way, but I think it should be adequate in this
application as is.

> 2. Your case sides grain are going the wrong way. Your grain should go
> vertical. It looks weird going horizontal.

I built that part a while back. Had I been doing it now I might have
chosen other wood entirely, but the horizontal grain itself doesn't
bother me.

> 3. prefinish your panels before glue up so that the unfinished area
> doesn't show during the winter when panels shrink. Yours are ply so not
> really a problem.

Yes indeed. That realization dawned on me as I was finishing the
doors. It was damn near impossible to get an even finish in the
corners. I will certainly follow that advice next time.

> Also glue / flux brushes are not finish brushes.

I thank you for taking the time to delve that deeply into the photo
set.

>
> On 3/19/2012 9:54 AM, Greg Guarino wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Having marveled at the craftsmanship of some of the other "rec"
> > denizens, I feel a little sheepish "showing off" a project as relativel=
y
> > simple as this:
>
> >http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdguarino/6994186869/in/set-721576277517...
>
> > ... but hey, you have to start somewhere. Thanks for all the tips.
>
> > Greg Guarino

On Mar 19, 2:24=A0pm, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
> On 3/19/2012 8:54 AM, Greg Guarino wrote:
>
> > Having marveled at the craftsmanship of some of the other "rec"
> > denizens, I feel a little sheepish "showing off" a project as relativel=
y
> > simple as this:
>
> >http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdguarino/6994186869/in/set-721576277517...
>
> > ... but hey, you have to start somewhere. Thanks for all the tips.
>
> Nice attention to details! =A0I build lots of doors that way.

Do you? With splines? It's funny; part of the impetus for this project
was to see if I could actually make a panel door. That had seemed like
a daunting task before. Now, less so.

Greg Guarino wrote:
> Having marveled at the craftsmanship of some of the other "rec"
> denizens, I feel a little sheepish "showing off" a project as
> relatively simple as this:
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdguarino/6994186869/in/set-72157627751790027/lightbox/
>
> ... but hey, you have to start somewhere. Thanks for all the tips.
>
> Greg Guarino

Don't ever feel that way Greg. There are (and have been in the past...)
some killer woodworkers here. Then, there have been some hacks (present
company included...) that can produce an occassional decent piece of work.
All though share a common interest in this activity and that's what it's
about. Some of us do some other things that aren't really even woodworking
related, but can sometimes offer insights - in the end, it's all just a
boy's club that's all about the fun of it. Well - except for Robert - he
has been showing some peculiar interests of late, so I'd advise you to watch
out for him...

--

-Mike-
[email protected]

Looks great to me.

Judging yourself too harshly! It may be just another "thing", now,
but it's the trip that got you (and it) there.

Sonny

On 03/19/2012 06:54 AM, Greg Guarino wrote:
> Having marveled at the craftsmanship of some of the other "rec"
> denizens, I feel a little sheepish "showing off" a project as relatively
> simple as this:
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdguarino/6994186869/in/set-72157627751790027/lightbox/
>
>
> ... but hey, you have to start somewhere. Thanks for all the tips.
>
> Greg Guarino

Nice Greg.

Only a preference, but I think I'd have done vertical grain on the
cabinet sides, but since it's ply, it doesn't affect strength or anything.

- Doug


--
"Socialism is a philosophy of failure,the creed of ignorance, and the
gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery"
-Winston Churchill

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On Mar 19, 9:54 am, Greg Guarino <[email protected]> wrote:
> Having marveled at the craftsmanship of some of the other "rec"
> denizens, I feel a little sheepish "showing off" a project as relatively
> simple as this:
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdguarino/6994186869/in/set-721576277517...
>
> ... but hey, you have to start somewhere. Thanks for all the tips.
>
> Greg Guarino

I've asked a bunch of questions here and have gleaned quite a bit of
useful info from the 15 or so most prolific regulars. But my Flickr
(photo) account tells me that about 110 people viewed the photo linked
above today. Interesting.
=====================================================================================

I never read this group. As a matter of fact, I'm not here now.

**************************************************************

I know. I've missed you.

"Ed Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>

> Young healthy people never think of those things when designing. Laws
> now force them to a point to make access. I'm even surprised at some
> hospitals and medical centers that have narrow doorways instead of one
> just a few inches wider.
>
> If architects and interior designers had to use crutches and a
> wheelchair for a week, you'd see a lot of changes in the future.
>

How about all the computer programs and graphic displays that only allow
people who have the eye sight of an eagle to use them? Again, created by
young people who obviously don't have a clue how the rest of us live.

"Larry Jaques" wrote ...
> "Lee Michaels" wrote:
>
>>How about all the computer programs and graphic displays that only allow
>>people who have the eye sight of an eagle to use them? Again, created by
>>young people who obviously don't have a clue how the rest of us live.
>
> That's why Windows and browsers allow for different font sizes.
> I'll leave doing the Internet via cell phone to kids who can -see-
> that little 3.4" screen. Sheesh!
>
I use those all the time. But the color schemes, font choices, graphic
design, etc. make it very difficult to read. And many web sites "lock in" a
tiny font size. They will not allow you to change the font size. I was at
the library the other day and printed out something that a friend requested.
The print was so tiny, we could not read with a magnifying glass! And there
was no way that the text could be made bigger, either on the screen or
printed.

And all these web pages that are barely visible. White background with very
pale blue fonts? Or pale yellow fonts?? The list goes on.

Microsoft makes a big deal about making some display options available for
visually impaired people. One such choice is the high contrast color
scheme. It blanks out half of the page! Including Microsoft's own help
menus and the display controls! I learned long ago that if you have vision
or hearing problems, the world does little to accommodate you.

Another thing, the old analog TV sets all had headphone jacks. That way I
could plug in a set of headphones if I wanted to listen to some music, etc.
The new digital flat screens?? Not so much. At least two thirds of them
have no headphone jacks at all. And the ones who do, they are all located
in the back And if this thing is put into any kind of furniture, you would
not be able to reach in back to plug in the head phones. And you would need
an extension cable any way because the jack is so much further away.

"Markem" wrote in message
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On Fri, 23 Mar 2012 09:52:38 -0400, "John Grossbohlin"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>Based on how threads spiral out of control sometimes I keep thinking there
>is a joke in here somewhere about "reading and comprehending" vs. "reading
>and comprehending and replying" vs. "reading and replying sans
>comprehension" vs. "not being able to understand a post due to poorly
>expressed content" vs. "not being able to understand a post due to
>preconceived biases," etc., etc.
>
>After 25 years or so of reading stuff on-line I've seen it all! ;~)

>And now what happens next week?

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Stay tuned.

Max

On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 01:59:52 -0700, "CW" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>
>>The computer has been my main
>>pastime lately. Hopefully, that will change here in a few months. Every
>>experience is a learning experience if you look at it in the right way. I
>>now firmly believe that every architect should have to spend a couple of
>>months in a wheelchair before they can get their degree. Pulled into a
>>parking lot a while back and found the handicapped parking spaces right in
>>front of the entrance. Win. Wheelchair ramp on the other side of parking
>>lot. Fail. I don't use handicapped parking as I feel that there are others
>>that need them worse than I do but I do notice. Another place. Nice ramp
>>parallel to building leading to entrance. Win. Entrance door opens out
>>blocking ramp. Fail. Then we get to the inside. Deep pile carpeting. Like
>>rolling through mud. Halls so narrow that making a 90 degree turn into a
>>room is impossible. Many of these things could be taken care of in the
>>design process and without a great deal, or no, expense. Just a bit of
>>thought.

Young healthy people never think of those things when designing. Laws
now force them to a point to make access. I'm even surprised at some
hospitals and medical centers that have narrow doorways instead of one
just a few inches wider.

If architects and interior designers had to use crutches and a
wheelchair for a week, you'd see a lot of changes in the future.

On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 19:16:46 -0700 (PDT), Greg Guarino
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Mar 20, 9:13 pm, Larry Jaques <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>> On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 14:16:03 -0400, Greg Guarino <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>
>> >On 3/20/2012 12:45 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
>> >> On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 03:18:40 -0700 (PDT), Greg Guarino
>
>> A real photo buff would have had photographic studio lighting parts.
>> Mine's single and white, like me, but similar to this one.  <g>http://tinyurl.com/88sg4td,
>>
>> or this great deal  http://tinyurl.com/7s695b8
>
>Nah. I'm an available light guy, usually outdoors.

LUDDITE!


>Next time you have
>a day or two to waste check out the 1400 or so non-woodworking photos
>I have on Flickr.

I already did that the last time you mentioned it. But I need to get
the computer talking to my Gecko G540 on LPT3 first, then build my CNC
router, then make some money...

--
Knowledge speaks, but wisdom listens.
-- Jimi Hendrix

Larry Jaques wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 22:48:50 -0400, "Lee Michaels"
> <leemichaels*nadaspam* at comcast dot net> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> "Ed Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>
>>> Young healthy people never think of those things when designing.
>>> Laws now force them to a point to make access. I'm even surprised
>>> at some hospitals and medical centers that have narrow doorways
>>> instead of one just a few inches wider.
>>>
>>> If architects and interior designers had to use crutches and a
>>> wheelchair for a week, you'd see a lot of changes in the future.
>>>
>>
>> How about all the computer programs and graphic displays that only
>> allow people who have the eye sight of an eagle to use them? Again,
>> created by young people who obviously don't have a clue how the rest
>> of us live.
>
> That's why Windows and browsers allow for different font sizes.
> I'll leave doing the Internet via cell phone to kids who can -see-
> that little 3.4" screen. Sheesh!

Likewise my android allows me to scale up a site and then to reformat it to
fit the screen at the increased font size. What is all of this crying I'm
hearing? We get old. Our eye sight fails. Our hearing fails. Listen to
this group of old timers here - complaining and blaming it on inconsiderate
young people. Come on guys...

--

-Mike-
[email protected]

On 3/20/2012 9:48 PM, Lee Michaels wrote:
>
> How about all the computer programs and graphic displays that only allow
> people who have the eye sight of an eagle to use them? Again, created by
> young people who obviously don't have a clue how the rest of us live.
>
>
>
Or the arrogance of those who think we should all do it their way...
Or it's our fault for being stupid...

On 3/19/2012 8:54 AM, Greg Guarino wrote:
> Having marveled at the craftsmanship of some of the other "rec"
> denizens, I feel a little sheepish "showing off" a project as relatively
> simple as this:
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdguarino/6994186869/in/set-72157627751790027/lightbox/
>
>
> ... but hey, you have to start somewhere. Thanks for all the tips.
>

Nice attention to details! I build lots of doors that way.

On Mar 19, 4:22=A0pm, Sonny <[email protected]> wrote:
> Looks great to me.
>
> Judging yourself too harshly! =A0It may be just another "thing", now,
> but it's the trip that got you (and it) there.
>
> Sonny

My Dad always said, "everything is easy once you know how". I try to
teach my daughter that too.

On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 23:40:33 -0500, Richard <[email protected]>
wrote:

>On 3/20/2012 9:48 PM, Lee Michaels wrote:
>>
>> How about all the computer programs and graphic displays that only allow
>> people who have the eye sight of an eagle to use them? Again, created by
>> young people who obviously don't have a clue how the rest of us live.
>>
>>
>>
>Or the arrogance of those who think we should all do it their way...
>Or it's our fault for being stupid...

Hey, wait a minute. My way is the right way. The rest of the world is
often wrong.

"Greg Guarino" wrote in message
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On Mar 19, 9:54 am, Greg Guarino <[email protected]> wrote:
> Having marveled at the craftsmanship of some of the other "rec"
> denizens, I feel a little sheepish "showing off" a project as relatively
> simple as this:
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdguarino/6994186869/in/set-721576277517...
>
> ... but hey, you have to start somewhere. Thanks for all the tips.
>
> Greg Guarino

I've asked a bunch of questions here and have gleaned quite a bit of
useful info from the 15 or so most prolific regulars. But my Flickr
(photo) account tells me that about 110 people viewed the photo linked
above today. Interesting.
=====================================================================================

I never read this group. As a matter of fact, I'm not here now.

On 3/19/2012 10:10 PM, Greg Guarino wrote:
> On Mar 19, 2:24 pm, Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>> On 3/19/2012 8:54 AM, Greg Guarino wrote:
>>
>>> Having marveled at the craftsmanship of some of the other "rec"
>>> denizens, I feel a little sheepish "showing off" a project as relatively
>>> simple as this:
>>
>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdguarino/6994186869/in/set-721576277517...
>>
>>> ... but hey, you have to start somewhere. Thanks for all the tips.
>>
>> Nice attention to details! I build lots of doors that way.
>
> Do you? With splines? It's funny; part of the impetus for this project
> was to see if I could actually make a panel door. That had seemed like
> a daunting task before. Now, less so.

Sorry the detalis are not what I thought. ;~)

Very similar. Instead of splines I cut all the groves to receive the
panels in all of the rails and stiles 1/2" deep and the width of the
panel. Then I cut 1/2" long tenons on the ends of the rails to fit the
groves.

On Mar 19, 10:20=A0pm, "Mike Marlow" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> Greg Guarino wrote:
> > Having marveled at the craftsmanship of some of the other "rec"
> > denizens, I feel a little sheepish "showing off" a project as
> > relatively simple as this:
>
> >http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdguarino/6994186869/in/set-721576277517...
>
> > ... but hey, you have to start somewhere. Thanks for all the tips.
>
> > Greg Guarino
>
> Don't ever feel that way Greg. =A0There are (and have been in the past...=
)
> some killer woodworkers here. =A0Then, there have been some hacks (presen=
t
> company included...) that can produce an occassional decent piece of work=
.
> All though share a common interest in this activity and that's what it's
> about. =A0Some of us do some other things that aren't really even woodwor=
king
> related, but can sometimes offer insights - in the end, it's all just a
> boy's club that's all about the fun of it. =A0Well - except for Robert - =
he
> has been showing some peculiar interests of late, so I'd advise you to wa=
tch
> out for him...

Don't worry. I am terribly proud of myself, and not just for the
result, but also for puzzling out solutions for each of the problems
that came up during the project. I think I have a pretty realistic
assessment of my skill level, and what I need to improve on. I've
learned a good bit recently, and I intend to use that learning to make
better mistakes in the future. :)

Thanks for the encouragement.

On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 01:59:52 -0700, "CW" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
>"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>
>On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 23:25:02 -0400, "Mike Marlow"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>CW wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I never read this group. As a matter of fact, I'm not here now.
>
>We've known that for years, C-dub.
>==================================================
>LOL
>
>Unfortunately, I have been in this wheelchair since last June and I can't
>get into the shop (stairs and no ramp).

That sucks. Roll on over to HFT and get one of the little winches and
set up a system to lower yourself down there, boy!


>The computer has been my main
>pastime lately. Hopefully, that will change here in a few months. Every
>experience is a learning experience if you look at it in the right way. I
>now firmly believe that every architect should have to spend a couple of
>months in a wheelchair before they can get their degree. Pulled into a
>parking lot a while back and found the handicapped parking spaces right in
>front of the entrance. Win. Wheelchair ramp on the other side of parking
>lot. Fail. I don't use handicapped parking as I feel that there are others
>that need them worse than I do but I do notice. Another place. Nice ramp
>parallel to building leading to entrance. Win. Entrance door opens out
>blocking ramp. Fail. Then we get to the inside. Deep pile carpeting. Like
>rolling through mud. Halls so narrow that making a 90 degree turn into a
>room is impossible. Many of these things could be taken care of in the
>design process and without a great deal, or no, expense. Just a bit of
>thought.

Right. And doctors should have to roll in them for a week, too, during
their mandatory hospital stay, so they can see how it feels from that
angle. It won't change many, but the few it does will be well worth
it. (see William Hurt in "The Doctor", ca 1991. Excellent!)


>BTW, if you are into a little entertainment in the "Holy crap. I
>didn't think that was possible" area, go to YouTube and search for
>"wheelchair backflip".

Har! I'll go do that now as I have some time. My 10am client called
and her power's out so I can't work. Wow, Aaron tooks some nasty
dumps in the first part of the flick. I wonder how much replacement
high-performance wheelchairs cost for him every few months... He has
the right attitude, doesn't he?

--
When you are kind to someone in trouble, you hope they'll remember
and be kind to someone else. And it'll become like a wildfire.
-- Whoopi Goldberg

On Mar 19, 6:42=A0pm, Larry Jaques <[email protected]>
wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 09:54:34 -0400, Greg Guarino <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >Having marveled at the craftsmanship of some of the other "rec"
> >denizens, I feel a little sheepish "showing off" a project as relatively
> >simple as this:
>
> >http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdguarino/6994186869/in/set-721576277517...
>
> >... but hey, you have to start somewhere. Thanks for all the tips.
>
> Hey, a hearty Well Done, Greg. =A0Kudos on your accomplisment. =A0That's =
a
> far larger and more complicated project than most of us started with.

Well, it's not the very first thing I've done. In fact, I made the
cabinet boxes (sans doors) fifteen years ago. I cut them down about 6
inches for this project. I've also built and finished a couple of
wall-hung cubbyhole shelf units. And I've had a fair amount of
experience in home repair. It's a different pew, to be sure, but a
related denomination of church, at worst. The techniques may not
always be similar, but both require a problem-solving mindset.

That said, the desk is certainly the largest project so far, with the
most time-consuming finishing. And the panel doors were probably the
biggest challenge I've taken on yet. But as so often happens, I'm sure
I could build another set now in a fraction of the time and with fewer
errors. Except, of course, for the finishing.

The whole experience has given me more ideas than I have time for, but
I intend to keep at it when I can.

> So, how do you like Waterlox now that you've used it? =A0Other than the
> smell (and it smells far, far better than Watco, lemme tell ya) I
> simply adore it.

I'll tell you some things I've learned for the next project. The most
important lesson seems to be wood selection. The waterlox on the oak
rails and stiles is probably the nicest finish I have yet
accomplished; smooth with a little gloss, but with no plastic-y
thickness. I used some garden-variety birch ply for the panels. The
contrast in color is nice, but the panel surface didn't give nearly as
nice a finish as the oak.

CW wrote:

>
> I never read this group. As a matter of fact, I'm not here now.

Phew! I don't see you and I was getting worried...

At least now I'm reassured - you're not here and I'm not seeing you. Or
something like that... Time for bed I think...

--

-Mike-
[email protected]

"Markem" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 23 Mar 2012 09:52:38 -0400, "John Grossbohlin"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>>Based on how threads spiral out of control sometimes I keep thinking there
>>is a joke in here somewhere about "reading and comprehending" vs. "reading
>>and comprehending and replying" vs. "reading and replying sans
>>comprehension" vs. "not being able to understand a post due to poorly
>>expressed content" vs. "not being able to understand a post due to
>>preconceived biases," etc., etc.
>>
>>After 25 years or so of reading stuff on-line I've seen it all! ;~)
>
> And now what happens next week?

All of the above!

In article <[email protected]>, "Lee
Michaels" says...
>
> "Larry Jaques" wrote ...
> > "Lee Michaels" wrote:
> >
> >>How about all the computer programs and graphic displays that only allow
> >>people who have the eye sight of an eagle to use them? Again, created by
> >>young people who obviously don't have a clue how the rest of us live.
> >
> > That's why Windows and browsers allow for different font sizes.
> > I'll leave doing the Internet via cell phone to kids who can -see-
> > that little 3.4" screen. Sheesh!
> >
> I use those all the time. But the color schemes, font choices, graphic
> design, etc. make it very difficult to read. And many web sites "lock in" a
> tiny font size. They will not allow you to change the font size. I was at
> the library the other day and printed out something that a friend requested.
> The print was so tiny, we could not read with a magnifying glass! And there
> was no way that the text could be made bigger, either on the screen or
> printed.
>
> And all these web pages that are barely visible. White background with very
> pale blue fonts? Or pale yellow fonts?? The list goes on.
>
> Microsoft makes a big deal about making some display options available for
> visually impaired people. One such choice is the high contrast color
> scheme. It blanks out half of the page! Including Microsoft's own help
> menus and the display controls! I learned long ago that if you have vision
> or hearing problems, the world does little to accommodate you.
>
> Another thing, the old analog TV sets all had headphone jacks. That way I
> could plug in a set of headphones if I wanted to listen to some music, etc.
> The new digital flat screens?? Not so much. At least two thirds of them
> have no headphone jacks at all. And the ones who do, they are all located
> in the back And if this thing is put into any kind of furniture, you would
> not be able to reach in back to plug in the head phones. And you would need
> an extension cable any way because the jack is so much further away.

Lee, do you have Windows 7? If so put a Microsoft Mouse (has to be
their mouse) on the machine and click the little button on the left
side. You're gonna like what happens.

Based on how threads spiral out of control sometimes I keep thinking there
is a joke in here somewhere about "reading and comprehending" vs. "reading
and comprehending and replying" vs. "reading and replying sans
comprehension" vs. "not being able to understand a post due to poorly
expressed content" vs. "not being able to understand a post due to
preconceived biases," etc., etc.

After 25 years or so of reading stuff on-line I've seen it all! ;~)

John

On 3/19/2012 7:54 AM, Greg Guarino wrote:
> Having marveled at the craftsmanship of some of the other "rec"
> denizens, I feel a little sheepish "showing off" a project as relatively
> simple as this:
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdguarino/6994186869/in/set-72157627751790027/lightbox/
>
>
> ... but hey, you have to start somewhere. Thanks for all the tips.

Simplicity is often its own reward in functionality. You did mighty
fine. Execution is excellent.

--
www.eWoodShop.com
Last update: 4/15/2010
KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious)
http://gplus.to/eWoodShop

On 3/21/2012 7:46 PM, Zz Yzx wrote:
>> I've asked a bunch of questions here and have gleaned quite a bit of
>> useful info from the 15 or so most prolific regulars. But my Flickr
>> (photo) account tells me that about 110 people viewed the photo linked
>> above today. Interesting.
>
> 42


"Good Answer!"

Doug Winterburn <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> On 03/19/2012 06:54 AM, Greg Guarino wrote:
>> Having marveled at the craftsmanship of some of the other "rec"
>> denizens, I feel a little sheepish "showing off" a project as
>> relatively simple as this:
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdguarino/6994186869/in/set-7215762775179
>> 0027/lightbox/
>>
>>
>> ... but hey, you have to start somewhere. Thanks for all the tips.
>>
>> Greg Guarino
>
> Nice Greg.
>
> Only a preference, but I think I'd have done vertical grain on the
> cabinet sides, but since it's ply, it doesn't affect strength or
> anything.
>
> - Doug

It looks great to me!

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On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 01:59:52 -0700, "CW" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
>"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>
>On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 23:25:02 -0400, "Mike Marlow"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>CW wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I never read this group. As a matter of fact, I'm not here now.
>
>We've known that for years, C-dub.
>==================================================
>LOL
>
>Unfortunately, I have been in this wheelchair since last June and I can't
>get into the shop (stairs and no ramp).

That sucks. Roll on over to HFT and get one of the little winches and
set up a system to lower yourself down there, boy
============================================================
Since being in this thing, I have thought of many things that I could make
that would make my life easier including an artificial leg,
if only I wasn't in this chair. Catch 22.


>The computer has been my main
>pastime lately. Hopefully, that will change here in a few months. Every
>experience is a learning experience if you look at it in the right way. I
>now firmly believe that every architect should have to spend a couple of
>months in a wheelchair before they can get their degree. Pulled into a
>parking lot a while back and found the handicapped parking spaces right in
>front of the entrance. Win. Wheelchair ramp on the other side of parking
>lot. Fail. I don't use handicapped parking as I feel that there are others
>that need them worse than I do but I do notice. Another place. Nice ramp
>parallel to building leading to entrance. Win. Entrance door opens out
>blocking ramp. Fail. Then we get to the inside. Deep pile carpeting. Like
>rolling through mud. Halls so narrow that making a 90 degree turn into a
>room is impossible. Many of these things could be taken care of in the
>design process and without a great deal, or no, expense. Just a bit of
>thought.

Right. And doctors should have to roll in them for a week, too, during
their mandatory hospital stay, so they can see how it feels from that
angle. It won't change many, but the few it does will be well worth
it. (see William Hurt in "The Doctor", ca 1991. Excellent!)
===============================================================
Good movie. On your recommendation, I looked it up and watched it. Pirate
movie sights have been quite advantageous. The hospital that I have been
going to recently has the friendliest, most helpful staff you could imagine,
with doctors that really know what they are doing. If I had gone there in
the first place, I would have been walking 6 months ago. People come from
out of state to go there. Harbor View Medical Center in Seattle. Highly
recommended.

>BTW, if you are into a little entertainment in the "Holy crap. I
>didn't think that was possible" area, go to YouTube and search for
>"wheelchair backflip".

Har! I'll go do that now as I have some time. My 10am client called
kand her power's out so I can't work. Wow, Aaron tooks some nasty
dumps in the first part of the flick. I wonder how much replacement
high-performance wheelchairs cost for him every few months... He has
the right attitude, doesn't he?
==================================================================================================
Quite the kid. That chair of his cost over $2000.00. I bet his parents
didn't bat an eye buying him one just to see him do what he wanted. I know I
would if it were my kid.

--
When you are kind to someone in trouble, you hope they'll remember
and be kind to someone else. And it'll become like a wildfire.
-- Whoopi Goldberg

Greg Guarino wrote:
> On Mar 19, 9:54 am, Greg Guarino <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Having marveled at the craftsmanship of some of the other "rec"
>> denizens, I feel a little sheepish "showing off" a project as
>> relatively simple as this:
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdguarino/6994186869/in/set-721576277517...
>>
>> ... but hey, you have to start somewhere. Thanks for all the tips.
>>
>> Greg Guarino
>
> I've asked a bunch of questions here and have gleaned quite a bit of
> useful info from the 15 or so most prolific regulars. But my Flickr
> (photo) account tells me that about 110 people viewed the photo
> linked
> above today. Interesting.

in most groups it's been my exprience there are just as many lurkers as
posters,sometimes more.
Depending on the friendliness of the group<g>

On Mar 20, 11:16=A0am, Greg Guarino <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 3/20/2012 12:45 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 03:18:40 -0700 (PDT), Greg Guarino
> > <[email protected]> =A0wrote:
>
> >> On Mar 20, 1:42 am, Larry Jaques<[email protected]>
> >> wrote:
> >>> On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 20:07:10 -0700 (PDT), Greg Guarino
>
> >>> <[email protected]> =A0wrote:
> >>>> On Mar 19, 10:16 pm, tiredofspam<nospam.nospam.com> =A0wrote:
> >>>>> Please take these constructively. I'm sure you learned a lot during=
this
> >>>>> build.
>
> >>>>> 1. Your Splines =A0grain is going in the wrong direction. You want =
this to
> >>>>> provide extra support, so you set the grain to go 90 degrees to wha=
t you
> >>>>> have them.
>
> >>>> Hadn't thought of that. I can see now how the strength of the spline
> >>>> would be greater "your" way, but I think it should be adequate in th=
is
> >>>> application as is.
>
> >>> I -thought- I saw a 'wrong' spline there. If the grain direction is
> >>> the same as that of the stile (which I thought I saw) it can break
> >>> very easily, especially with the little gaps you had. Slam the door
> >>> hard once and it could be CURTAINS! =A0G'luck!
>
> >> The grain runs in the same direction as the stiles, vertically. =A0See
> >> below
>
> >>http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdguarino/6365597669/in/set-721576277517..=
.
>
> > Oops, not the safest way.
>
> By which you mean the small block of oak and the fingers near the miter
> saw blade? I guess you're right. I am pretty cautious though, especially
> as one of my other uses for my fingers is at the piano (a much more
> advanced skill than woodworking, with better cash-flow too)
>
> =A0>Those look to be 1/4" rather than 1/8".
>
> > Better.
>
> The grooves are 7/32 and splines fit snugly (one might say "tightly" on
> the first door)
>
> >> As for the gap, it's only on the first door I made. The splines were
> >> tighter than they should have been, and I guess a little wider as
> >> well. I fixed that problem (with a block plane) =A0for the second door=
.
>
> > Goodgood.
>
> What, you didn't make it to that photo ("shaving down splines")? Eight
> of the 200 people who viewed the finished desk made it all the way
> through the set.
>
> I'm something of a photo buff too. I've been amusing myself documenting
> the project. Some of the "dramatic" lighting was courtesy of a couple of
> reflector work lights.

Another group that you might be interested in joining where everyone
shows pictures of their final products is www.Lumberjocks.com. You can
get a lot of good ideas from looking at what others have done.

Al

>I've asked a bunch of questions here and have gleaned quite a bit of
>useful info from the 15 or so most prolific regulars. But my Flickr
>(photo) account tells me that about 110 people viewed the photo linked
>above today. Interesting.

42

On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 20:10:21 -0700 (PDT), Greg Guarino
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Mar 19, 2:24 pm, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>> On 3/19/2012 8:54 AM, Greg Guarino wrote:
>>
>> > Having marveled at the craftsmanship of some of the other "rec"
>> > denizens, I feel a little sheepish "showing off" a project as relatively
>> > simple as this:
>>
>> >http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdguarino/6994186869/in/set-721576277517...
>>
>> > ... but hey, you have to start somewhere. Thanks for all the tips.
>>
>> Nice attention to details!  I build lots of doors that way.
>
>Do you? With splines? It's funny; part of the impetus for this project
>was to see if I could actually make a panel door. That had seemed like
>a daunting task before. Now, less so.

Explain how you did it, Greg. What's the config for holding the panel
in and allowing for expansion. Why the small gap between the rails
and stiles?

--
When you are kind to someone in trouble, you hope they'll remember
and be kind to someone else. And it'll become like a wildfire.
-- Whoopi Goldberg

On Mar 20, 1:42=A0am, Larry Jaques <[email protected]>
wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 20:07:10 -0700 (PDT), Greg Guarino
>
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >On Mar 19, 10:16=A0pm, tiredofspam <nospam.nospam.com> wrote:
> >> Please take these constructively. I'm sure you learned a lot during th=
is
> >> build.
>
> >> 1. Your Splines =A0grain is going in the wrong direction. You want thi=
s to
> >> provide extra support, so you set the grain to go 90 degrees to what y=
ou
> >> have them.
>
> >Hadn't thought of that. I can see now how the strength of the spline
> >would be greater "your" way, but I think it should be adequate in this
> >application as is.
>
> I -thought- I saw a 'wrong' spline there. If the grain direction is
> the same as that of the stile (which I thought I saw) it can break
> very easily, especially with the little gaps you had. Slam the door
> hard once and it could be CURTAINS! =A0G'luck!

The grain runs in the same direction as the stiles, vertically. See
below

http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdguarino/6365597669/in/set-72157627751790027/=
lightbox/

As for the gap, it's only on the first door I made. The splines were
tighter than they should have been, and I guess a little wider as
well. I fixed that problem (with a block plane) for the second door.

On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 18:33:29 -0700 (PDT), Greg Guarino
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Mar 19, 6:42 pm, Larry Jaques <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>> On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 09:54:34 -0400, Greg Guarino <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Having marveled at the craftsmanship of some of the other "rec"
>> >denizens, I feel a little sheepish "showing off" a project as relatively
>> >simple as this:
>>
>> >http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdguarino/6994186869/in/set-721576277517...
>>
>> >... but hey, you have to start somewhere. Thanks for all the tips.
>>
>> Hey, a hearty Well Done, Greg.  Kudos on your accomplisment.  That's a
>> far larger and more complicated project than most of us started with.
>
>Well, it's not the very first thing I've done. In fact, I made the
>cabinet boxes (sans doors) fifteen years ago. I cut them down about 6
>inches for this project. I've also built and finished a couple of
>wall-hung cubbyhole shelf units. And I've had a fair amount of
>experience in home repair. It's a different pew, to be sure, but a
>related denomination of church, at worst. The techniques may not
>always be similar, but both require a problem-solving mindset.

Pew? You can't say those common home-repair words in any church I've
been in. ;)


>That said, the desk is certainly the largest project so far, with the
>most time-consuming finishing. And the panel doors were probably the
>biggest challenge I've taken on yet. But as so often happens, I'm sure
>I could build another set now in a fraction of the time and with fewer
>errors. Except, of course, for the finishing.

Familiarity breeds content. (sorry for the pun)


>The whole experience has given me more ideas than I have time for, but
>I intend to keep at it when I can.

Grok that.


>> So, how do you like Waterlox now that you've used it?  Other than the
>> smell (and it smells far, far better than Watco, lemme tell ya) I
>> simply adore it.
>
>I'll tell you some things I've learned for the next project. The most
>important lesson seems to be wood selection. The waterlox on the oak
>rails and stiles is probably the nicest finish I have yet
>accomplished; smooth with a little gloss, but with no plastic-y
>thickness. I used some garden-variety birch ply for the panels. The
>contrast in color is nice, but the panel surface didn't give nearly as
>nice a finish as the oak.

It's probably because of the lack of color to begin with. Several
more coats might impart a bit of amber to it. Practice on a spare
piece about 6" square. Save your wiping rag in a plastic baggie and
it'll last for a couple weeks. Leave the bag on the concrete (oily rag
hazard) and do a coat the first thing every morning or evening.

Did you remember to remove the air on top of the Waterlox so it
doesn't set hard on you? If not, do it RIGHT NOW! It might not be too
late... I lost half a quart can that way, but not the gallon!

--
When you are kind to someone in trouble, you hope they'll remember
and be kind to someone else. And it'll become like a wildfire.
-- Whoopi Goldberg

On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 07:05:22 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:

>On 3/20/2012 12:27 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
>> On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 20:10:21 -0700 (PDT), Greg Guarino
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mar 19, 2:24 pm, Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>>>> On 3/19/2012 8:54 AM, Greg Guarino wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Having marveled at the craftsmanship of some of the other "rec"
>>>>> denizens, I feel a little sheepish "showing off" a project as relatively
>>>>> simple as this:
>>>>
>>>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdguarino/6994186869/in/set-721576277517...
>>>>
>>>>> ... but hey, you have to start somewhere. Thanks for all the tips.
>>>>
>>>> Nice attention to details! I build lots of doors that way.
>>>
>>> Do you? With splines? It's funny; part of the impetus for this project
>>> was to see if I could actually make a panel door. That had seemed like
>>> a daunting task before. Now, less so.
>>
>> Explain how you did it, Greg. What's the config for holding the panel
>> in and allowing for expansion. Why the small gap between the rails
>> and stiles?
>
>Plywood panel, expansion is not going to be an issue.

Bueno.

>I believe the gaps are simply chambered edges.

I saw the chamfers, but it looked like gaps, too, all the way down to
the splines. Maybe it was the lighting.

--
When you are kind to someone in trouble, you hope they'll remember
and be kind to someone else. And it'll become like a wildfire.
-- Whoopi Goldberg

On Mar 20, 9:13=A0pm, Larry Jaques <[email protected]>
wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 14:16:03 -0400, Greg Guarino <[email protected]>
> wrote:

> >On 3/20/2012 12:45 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
> >> On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 03:18:40 -0700 (PDT), Greg Guarino

> A real photo buff would have had photographic studio lighting parts.
> Mine's single and white, like me, but similar to this one. =A0<g>http://t=
inyurl.com/88sg4td,
>
> or this great deal =A0http://tinyurl.com/7s695b8

Nah. I'm an available light guy, usually outdoors. Next time you have
a day or two to waste check out the 1400 or so non-woodworking photos
I have on Flickr.

On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 20:39:51 -0700, "CW" <[email protected]> wrote:

>"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>>CW wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I never read this group. As a matter of fact, I'm not here now.
>>
>>We've known that for years, C-dub.
>>==================================================
>>LOL
>>
>>Unfortunately, I have been in this wheelchair since last June and I can't
>>get into the shop (stairs and no ramp).
>
>That sucks. Roll on over to HFT and get one of the little winches and
>set up a system to lower yourself down there, boy
>============================================================
>Since being in this thing, I have thought of many things that I could make
>that would make my life easier including an artificial leg,
>if only I wasn't in this chair. Catch 22.

I can only imagine. I've seen kitchen cabs/sink on rails which moved
up and down to match the user's height. They can go low enough to
accomodate a person in a chair or high enough to allow a giant to
stand and do dishes. You might swing by the library and see what they
have on Universal Design or Aging in Place there if you remain in the
chair. Potential booklist: http://tinyurl.com/7eax2ub


>Right. And doctors should have to roll in them for a week, too, during
>their mandatory hospital stay, so they can see how it feels from that
>angle. It won't change many, but the few it does will be well worth
>it. (see William Hurt in "The Doctor", ca 1991. Excellent!)
>===============================================================
>Good movie. On your recommendation, I looked it up and watched it. Pirate
>movie sights have been quite advantageous. The hospital that I have been
>going to recently has the friendliest, most helpful staff you could imagine,
>with doctors that really know what they are doing. If I had gone there in
>the first place, I would have been walking 6 months ago. People come from
>out of state to go there. Harbor View Medical Center in Seattle. Highly
>recommended.

Hey, that's only 500 miles from here...


>>BTW, if you are into a little entertainment in the "Holy crap. I
>>didn't think that was possible" area, go to YouTube and search for
>>"wheelchair backflip".
>
>Har! I'll go do that now as I have some time. My 10am client called
>kand her power's out so I can't work. Wow, Aaron tooks some nasty
>dumps in the first part of the flick. I wonder how much replacement
>high-performance wheelchairs cost for him every few months... He has
>the right attitude, doesn't he?
>==================================================================================================
>Quite the kid. That chair of his cost over $2000.00. I bet his parents
>didn't bat an eye buying him one just to see him do what he wanted. I know I
>would if it were my kid.

+1

--
Knowledge speaks, but wisdom listens.
-- Jimi Hendrix

On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 09:54:34 -0400, Greg Guarino <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Having marveled at the craftsmanship of some of the other "rec"
>denizens, I feel a little sheepish "showing off" a project as relatively
>simple as this:
>
>http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdguarino/6994186869/in/set-72157627751790027/lightbox/
>
>... but hey, you have to start somewhere. Thanks for all the tips.

Hey, a hearty Well Done, Greg. Kudos on your accomplisment. That's a
far larger and more complicated project than most of us started with.

So, how do you like Waterlox now that you've used it? Other than the
smell (and it smells far, far better than Watco, lemme tell ya) I
simply adore it.

--
When you are kind to someone in trouble, you hope they'll remember
and be kind to someone else. And it'll become like a wildfire.
-- Whoopi Goldberg

On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 20:07:10 -0700 (PDT), Greg Guarino
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Mar 19, 10:16 pm, tiredofspam <nospam.nospam.com> wrote:
>> Please take these constructively. I'm sure you learned a lot during this
>> build.
>>
>> 1. Your Splines  grain is going in the wrong direction. You want this to
>> provide extra support, so you set the grain to go 90 degrees to what you
>> have them.
>
>Hadn't thought of that. I can see now how the strength of the spline
>would be greater "your" way, but I think it should be adequate in this
>application as is.

I -thought- I saw a 'wrong' spline there. If the grain direction is
the same as that of the stile (which I thought I saw) it can break
very easily, especially with the little gaps you had. Slam the door
hard once and it could be CURTAINS! G'luck!


>> 2. Your case sides grain are going the wrong way. Your grain should go
>> vertical. It looks weird going horizontal.
>
>I built that part a while back. Had I been doing it now I might have
>chosen other wood entirely, but the horizontal grain itself doesn't
>bother me.

It's all a matter of taste, but vertical is more frequently used.
I didn't even notice it.


>> 3. prefinish your panels before glue up so that the unfinished area
>> doesn't show during the winter when panels shrink. Yours are ply so not
>> really a problem.
>
>Yes indeed. That realization dawned on me as I was finishing the
>doors. It was damn near impossible to get an even finish in the
>corners. I will certainly follow that advice next time.

Prefinish the case pieces, too, so the glue doesn't squeeze out onto
the bare wood, keeping the finish from adhering and coloring the wood.
The bottom to side panel showed a couple of those in one pic.


>> Also glue / flux brushes are not finish brushes.
>
>I thank you for taking the time to delve that deeply into the photo
>set.

He's wrong there. Anything which can move finish into a corner is a
brush. Needle-nose pliers with a piece of t-shirt in their jaws,
q-tips, whatever's handy, but it has to be wiped, too.

--
When you are kind to someone in trouble, you hope they'll remember
and be kind to someone else. And it'll become like a wildfire.
-- Whoopi Goldberg

"Greg Guarino" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Having marveled at the craftsmanship of some of the other "rec" denizens,
> I feel a little sheepish "showing off" a project as relatively simple as
> this:
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdguarino/6994186869/in/set-72157627751790027/lightbox/
>
> ... but hey, you have to start somewhere. Thanks for all the tips.
>
> Greg Guarino

It looks great, but one thing. Could you please take another picture, and
adjust the camera for the lighting? Apparently, you got the settings for
either fluorescent or incandescent mixed up, hence the gold tone. An
accurate camera setting would give us a better shot at the color tone.

Steve

On 3/19/2012 1:28 PM, Steve B wrote:
> "Greg Guarino"<[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Having marveled at the craftsmanship of some of the other "rec" denizens,
>> I feel a little sheepish "showing off" a project as relatively simple as
>> this:
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdguarino/6994186869/in/set-72157627751790027/lightbox/
>>
>> ... but hey, you have to start somewhere. Thanks for all the tips.
>>
>> Greg Guarino
>
> It looks great, but one thing. Could you please take another picture, and
> adjust the camera for the lighting? Apparently, you got the settings for
> either fluorescent or incandescent mixed up, hence the gold tone. An
> accurate camera setting would give us a better shot at the color tone.
>
> Steve
>
>
It's actually a little more complicated. There were two different kinds
of light on the desk. None of the WB setting seemed correct, so I left
the camera on Auto WB. I knew the color was off, but didn't want to take
the time to fix it. I may set up a sheet of white paper and do a custom
white balance if I get the time. In the meantime, here's a somewhat more
realistic rendition I took in the Garage.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdguarino/6845047514/in/set-72157627751790027/lightbox/

On 3/19/2012 9:36 PM, Greg Guarino wrote:
> On Mar 19, 9:54 am, Greg Guarino<[email protected]> wrote:
>> Having marveled at the craftsmanship of some of the other "rec"
>> denizens, I feel a little sheepish "showing off" a project as relatively
>> simple as this:
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdguarino/6994186869/in/set-721576277517...
>>
>> ... but hey, you have to start somewhere. Thanks for all the tips.
>>
>> Greg Guarino
>
> I've asked a bunch of questions here and have gleaned quite a bit of
> useful info from the 15 or so most prolific regulars. But my Flickr
> (photo) account tells me that about 110 people viewed the photo linked
> above today. Interesting.
>

I suspect that is a small percentage of the people actually view these
post. Sometime I go for weeks with out posting then someone will post
something that catches my eye and I will follow the thread, posting when
appropriated.

tiredofspam wrote:

>
> 1. Your Splines grain is going in the wrong direction. You want this to
> provide extra support, so you set the grain to go 90 degrees to what you
> have them.

Please espline! Which picture reveals the splines you mentioned?

"Greg Guarino" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
On Mar 19, 10:16 pm, tiredofspam <nospam.nospam.com> wrote:
> Please take these constructively. I'm sure you learned a lot during this
> build.
>
> 1. Your Splines grain is going in the wrong direction. You want this to
> provide extra support, so you set the grain to go 90 degrees to what you
> have them.

Hadn't thought of that. I can see now how the strength of the spline
would be greater "your" way, but I think it should be adequate in this
application as is.
___________


Just out of curiosity, why did you decide to use splines rather than cut
tongues on the ends of the rails?


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On 3/20/2012 8:05 AM, Leon wrote:
> On 3/20/2012 12:27 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
>> On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 20:10:21 -0700 (PDT), Greg Guarino
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mar 19, 2:24 pm, Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>>>> On 3/19/2012 8:54 AM, Greg Guarino wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Having marveled at the craftsmanship of some of the other "rec"
>>>>> denizens, I feel a little sheepish "showing off" a project as
>>>>> relatively
>>>>> simple as this:
>>>>
>>>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdguarino/6994186869/in/set-721576277517...
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> ... but hey, you have to start somewhere. Thanks for all the tips.
>>>>
>>>> Nice attention to details! I build lots of doors that way.
>>>
>>> Do you? With splines? It's funny; part of the impetus for this project
>>> was to see if I could actually make a panel door. That had seemed like
>>> a daunting task before. Now, less so.
>>
>> Explain how you did it, Greg. What's the config for holding the panel
>> in and allowing for expansion. Why the small gap between the rails
>> and stiles?
>
> Plywood panel, expansion is not going to be an issue. I believe the gaps
> are simply chambered edges.
>
They are indeed chamfered, but one of the doors does have a small gap in
at least one of the joints. I try to make an error here and there to
enhance the learning experience. :)

On 3/20/2012 8:46 AM, dadiOH wrote:
> "Greg Guarino"<[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> On Mar 19, 10:16 pm, tiredofspam<nospam.nospam.com> wrote:
>> Please take these constructively. I'm sure you learned a lot during this
>> build.
>>
>> 1. Your Splines grain is going in the wrong direction. You want this to
>> provide extra support, so you set the grain to go 90 degrees to what you
>> have them.
>
> Hadn't thought of that. I can see now how the strength of the spline
> would be greater "your" way, but I think it should be adequate in this
> application as is.
> ___________
>
>
> Just out of curiosity, why did you decide to use splines rather than cut
> tongues on the ends of the rails?

I felt that it was more likely to fit within my skill set and tool
complement. For instance, there's only one "height" adjustment to be
made at the router table (for the slot cutter). My inexperience, coupled
with a pretty cheesy router table setup, might have made a precision
match between the tongue and groove difficult.

Having said that, I think I might go the T & G route the next time.

Greg Guarino wrote:
> On 3/20/2012 8:46 AM, dadiOH wrote:
>> "Greg Guarino"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>> On Mar 19, 10:16 pm, tiredofspam<nospam.nospam.com> wrote:
>>> Please take these constructively. I'm sure you learned a lot during
>>> this build.
>>>
>>> 1. Your Splines grain is going in the wrong direction. You want
>>> this to provide extra support, so you set the grain to go 90
>>> degrees to what you have them.
>>
>> Hadn't thought of that. I can see now how the strength of the spline
>> would be greater "your" way, but I think it should be adequate in
>> this application as is.
>> ___________
>>
>>
>> Just out of curiosity, why did you decide to use splines rather than
>> cut tongues on the ends of the rails?
>
> I felt that it was more likely to fit within my skill set and tool
> complement. For instance, there's only one "height" adjustment to be
> made at the router table (for the slot cutter). My inexperience,
> coupled with a pretty cheesy router table setup, might have made a
> precision match between the tongue and groove difficult.
>
> Having said that, I think I might go the T & G route the next time.

Cut the tenons on a saw, not with a router. Easier & better.

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On 3/20/2012 12:45 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 03:18:40 -0700 (PDT), Greg Guarino
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Mar 20, 1:42 am, Larry Jaques<[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 20:07:10 -0700 (PDT), Greg Guarino
>>>
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> On Mar 19, 10:16 pm, tiredofspam<nospam.nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>> Please take these constructively. I'm sure you learned a lot during this
>>>>> build.
>>>
>>>>> 1. Your Splines grain is going in the wrong direction. You want this to
>>>>> provide extra support, so you set the grain to go 90 degrees to what you
>>>>> have them.
>>>
>>>> Hadn't thought of that. I can see now how the strength of the spline
>>>> would be greater "your" way, but I think it should be adequate in this
>>>> application as is.
>>>
>>> I -thought- I saw a 'wrong' spline there. If the grain direction is
>>> the same as that of the stile (which I thought I saw) it can break
>>> very easily, especially with the little gaps you had. Slam the door
>>> hard once and it could be CURTAINS! G'luck!
>>
>> The grain runs in the same direction as the stiles, vertically. See
>> below
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdguarino/6365597669/in/set-72157627751790027/lightbox/
>
> Oops, not the safest way.

By which you mean the small block of oak and the fingers near the miter
saw blade? I guess you're right. I am pretty cautious though, especially
as one of my other uses for my fingers is at the piano (a much more
advanced skill than woodworking, with better cash-flow too)

>Those look to be 1/4" rather than 1/8".
> Better.

The grooves are 7/32 and splines fit snugly (one might say "tightly" on
the first door)

>> As for the gap, it's only on the first door I made. The splines were
>> tighter than they should have been, and I guess a little wider as
>> well. I fixed that problem (with a block plane) for the second door.
>
> Goodgood.

What, you didn't make it to that photo ("shaving down splines")? Eight
of the 200 people who viewed the finished desk made it all the way
through the set.

I'm something of a photo buff too. I've been amusing myself documenting
the project. Some of the "dramatic" lighting was courtesy of a couple of
reflector work lights.

Lee Michaels wrote:
>
>
> "Larry Jaques" wrote ...
>> "Lee Michaels" wrote:
>>
>>> How about all the computer programs and graphic displays that only allow
>>> people who have the eye sight of an eagle to use them? Again, created by
>>> young people who obviously don't have a clue how the rest of us live.
>>
>> That's why Windows and browsers allow for different font sizes.
>> I'll leave doing the Internet via cell phone to kids who can -see-
>> that little 3.4" screen. Sheesh!
>>
> I use those all the time. But the color schemes, font choices, graphic
> design, etc. make it very difficult to read. And many web sites "lock
> in" a tiny font size. They will not allow you to change the font size. I
> was at the library the other day and printed out something that a friend
> requested. The print was so tiny, we could not read with a magnifying
> glass! And there was no way that the text could be made bigger, either
> on the screen or printed.
>
> And all these web pages that are barely visible. White background with
> very pale blue fonts? Or pale yellow fonts?? The list goes on.
>
> Microsoft makes a big deal about making some display options available
> for visually impaired people. One such choice is the high contrast color
> scheme. It blanks out half of the page! Including Microsoft's own help
> menus and the display controls! I learned long ago that if you have
> vision or hearing problems, the world does little to accommodate you.

It's "tough beans" if you have trouble with artificial preservatives or
artificial flavors too! I learned that first hand. It's a "game of
numbers" and industry (or "the world" as you describe it) is not
concerned about a few victoms.


>
> Another thing, the old analog TV sets all had headphone jacks. That way
> I could plug in a set of headphones if I wanted to listen to some music,
> etc. The new digital flat screens?? Not so much. At least two thirds of
> them have no headphone jacks at all. And the ones who do, they are all
> located in the back And if this thing is put into any kind of furniture,
> you would not be able to reach in back to plug in the head phones. And
> you would need an extension cable any way because the jack is so much
> further away.
>
>
>

On 3/21/2012 11:43 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 19:16:46 -0700 (PDT), Greg Guarino
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Mar 20, 9:13 pm, Larry Jaques<[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>> On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 14:16:03 -0400, Greg Guarino<[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>
>>>> On 3/20/2012 12:45 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 03:18:40 -0700 (PDT), Greg Guarino
>>
>>> A real photo buff would have had photographic studio lighting parts.
>>> Mine's single and white, like me, but similar to this one.<g>http://tinyurl.com/88sg4td,
>>>
>>> or this great deal http://tinyurl.com/7s695b8
>>
>> Nah. I'm an available light guy, usually outdoors.
>
> LUDDITE!
>
>
>> Next time you have
>> a day or two to waste check out the 1400 or so non-woodworking photos
>> I have on Flickr.
>
> I already did that the last time you mentioned it. But I need to get
> the computer talking to my Gecko G540 on LPT3 first, then build my CNC
> router, then make some money...
>

I'll take an Eiffel Tower then, as big as you can manage. And an alp, if
it's not too much bother.

So what do you use the umbrella for? (seriously) Portraits? Pics of your
work? Rain? Are CFLs reasonable color-wise these days? Or at least
correctable in some way? Aren't there spikes in the spectrum, or am I
dealing with old information (and old brain cells to hold it in) ?

Greg Guarino wrote:
> On 3/21/2012 11:43 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
>> On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 19:16:46 -0700 (PDT), Greg Guarino
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mar 20, 9:13 pm, Larry Jaques<[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 14:16:03 -0400, Greg
>>>> Guarino<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> On 3/20/2012 12:45 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 03:18:40 -0700 (PDT), Greg Guarino
>>>
>>>> A real photo buff would have had photographic studio lighting
>>>> parts. Mine's single and white, like me, but similar to this
>>>> one.<g>http://tinyurl.com/88sg4td, or this great deal
>>>> http://tinyurl.com/7s695b8
>>>
>>> Nah. I'm an available light guy, usually outdoors.
>>
>> LUDDITE!
>>
>>
>>> Next time you have
>>> a day or two to waste check out the 1400 or so non-woodworking
>>> photos I have on Flickr.
>>
>> I already did that the last time you mentioned it. But I need to get
>> the computer talking to my Gecko G540 on LPT3 first, then build my
>> CNC router, then make some money...
>>
>
> I'll take an Eiffel Tower then, as big as you can manage. And an alp,
> if it's not too much bother.
>
> So what do you use the umbrella for? (seriously) Portraits? Pics of
> your work? Rain? Are CFLs reasonable color-wise these days? Or at
> least correctable in some way? Aren't there spikes in the spectrum,
> or am I dealing with old information (and old brain cells to hold it
> in) ?

The only purpose of umbrellas (for lighting) is to increase the size of the
light source relative to the subject; doing so results in softer, more
diffuse shadows and highlights.

Any fluorescent, CFL or not, is deficient in red.

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On 3/22/2012 12:39 PM, dadiOH wrote:
> Greg Guarino wrote:
>> On 3/21/2012 11:43 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
>>> On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 19:16:46 -0700 (PDT), Greg Guarino
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mar 20, 9:13 pm, Larry Jaques<[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 14:16:03 -0400, Greg
>>>>> Guarino<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> On 3/20/2012 12:45 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 03:18:40 -0700 (PDT), Greg Guarino
>>>>
>>>>> A real photo buff would have had photographic studio lighting
>>>>> parts. Mine's single and white, like me, but similar to this
>>>>> one.<g>http://tinyurl.com/88sg4td, or this great deal
>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/7s695b8
>>>>
>>>> Nah. I'm an available light guy, usually outdoors.
>>>
>>> LUDDITE!
>>>
>>>
>>>> Next time you have
>>>> a day or two to waste check out the 1400 or so non-woodworking
>>>> photos I have on Flickr.
>>>
>>> I already did that the last time you mentioned it. But I need to get
>>> the computer talking to my Gecko G540 on LPT3 first, then build my
>>> CNC router, then make some money...
>>>
>>
>> I'll take an Eiffel Tower then, as big as you can manage. And an alp,
>> if it's not too much bother.
>>
>> So what do you use the umbrella for? (seriously) Portraits? Pics of
>> your work? Rain? Are CFLs reasonable color-wise these days? Or at
>> least correctable in some way? Aren't there spikes in the spectrum,
>> or am I dealing with old information (and old brain cells to hold it
>> in) ?
>
> The only purpose of umbrellas (for lighting) is to increase the size of the
> light source relative to the subject; doing so results in softer, more
> diffuse shadows and highlights.

Although I don't use them myself, I'm acquainted with the purpose of
various "soft" lighting techniques. I was wondering what *he* used the
umbrella for.
>
> Any fluorescent, CFL or not, is deficient in red.
>
I suppose what I'm really wondering is whether the deficiency is smooth
enough and comparable enough between brands and models to be compensated
for. This is mostly just a point of curiosity; I had not seen cfls used
as photo lighting before, although Kino-Flos are used in the movie
industry.

Richard wrote:
> On 3/21/2012 7:46 PM, Zz Yzx wrote:
>>> I've asked a bunch of questions here and have gleaned quite a bit of
>>> useful info from the 15 or so most prolific regulars. But my Flickr
>>> (photo) account tells me that about 110 people viewed the photo linked
>>> above today. Interesting.
>>
>> 42
>
>
> "Good Answer!"


They are equal in base 27.

Bill wrote:
> Richard wrote:
>> On 3/21/2012 7:46 PM, Zz Yzx wrote:
>>>> I've asked a bunch of questions here and have gleaned quite a bit of
>>>> useful info from the 15 or so most prolific regulars. But my Flickr
>>>> (photo) account tells me that about 110 people viewed the photo linked
>>>> above today. Interesting.
>>>
>>> 42
>>
>>
>> "Good Answer!"
>
>
> They are equal in base 27.

That is, if 42 is in base 27. 110 is actually 42 in base 36. Who woulda
thought?

CW wrote:
>
>
> "Larry Jaques" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
> On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 01:59:52 -0700, "CW" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> "Larry Jaques" wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 23:25:02 -0400, "Mike Marlow"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> CW wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I never read this group. As a matter of fact, I'm not here now.
>>
>> We've known that for years, C-dub.
>> ==================================================
>> LOL
>>
>> Unfortunately, I have been in this wheelchair since last June and I can't
>> get into the shop (stairs and no ramp).
>
> That sucks. Roll on over to HFT and get one of the little winches and
> set up a system to lower yourself down there, boy
> ============================================================
> Since being in this thing, I have thought of many things that I could
> make that would make my life easier including an artificial leg,
> if only I wasn't in this chair. Catch 22.

Some folks have been getting me involved with woodcarving. There are a
lot of different ways to approach it and you might enjoy it before and
after you get that artificial leg.

Bill

On 3/23/2012 9:52 AM, John Grossbohlin wrote:
>
> Based on how threads spiral out of control sometimes I keep thinking
> there is a joke in here somewhere about "reading and comprehending" vs.
> "reading and comprehending and replying" vs. "reading and replying sans
> comprehension" vs. "not being able to understand a post due to poorly
> expressed content" vs. "not being able to understand a post due to
> preconceived biases," etc., etc.
>
> After 25 years or so of reading stuff on-line I've seen it all! ;~)
>
> John
I'm afraid that Flickr doesn't keep stats on the literacy and intimate
personal habits of its visitors.

You'll need Google (and their new privacy policy) for that. :(

Please take these constructively. I'm sure you learned a lot during this
build.

1. Your Splines grain is going in the wrong direction. You want this to
provide extra support, so you set the grain to go 90 degrees to what you
have them.

2. Your case sides grain are going the wrong way. Your grain should go
vertical. It looks weird going horizontal.

3. prefinish your panels before glue up so that the unfinished area
doesn't show during the winter when panels shrink. Yours are ply so not
really a problem. Also glue / flux brushes are not finish brushes.



On 3/19/2012 9:54 AM, Greg Guarino wrote:
> Having marveled at the craftsmanship of some of the other "rec"
> denizens, I feel a little sheepish "showing off" a project as relatively
> simple as this:
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdguarino/6994186869/in/set-72157627751790027/lightbox/
>
>
> ... but hey, you have to start somewhere. Thanks for all the tips.
>
> Greg Guarino

On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 03:18:40 -0700 (PDT), Greg Guarino
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Mar 20, 1:42 am, Larry Jaques <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>> On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 20:07:10 -0700 (PDT), Greg Guarino
>>
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >On Mar 19, 10:16 pm, tiredofspam <nospam.nospam.com> wrote:
>> >> Please take these constructively. I'm sure you learned a lot during this
>> >> build.
>>
>> >> 1. Your Splines  grain is going in the wrong direction. You want this to
>> >> provide extra support, so you set the grain to go 90 degrees to what you
>> >> have them.
>>
>> >Hadn't thought of that. I can see now how the strength of the spline
>> >would be greater "your" way, but I think it should be adequate in this
>> >application as is.
>>
>> I -thought- I saw a 'wrong' spline there. If the grain direction is
>> the same as that of the stile (which I thought I saw) it can break
>> very easily, especially with the little gaps you had. Slam the door
>> hard once and it could be CURTAINS!  G'luck!
>
>The grain runs in the same direction as the stiles, vertically. See
>below
>
>http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdguarino/6365597669/in/set-72157627751790027/lightbox/

Oops, not the safest way. Those look to be 1/4" rather than 1/8".
Better.


>As for the gap, it's only on the first door I made. The splines were
>tighter than they should have been, and I guess a little wider as
>well. I fixed that problem (with a block plane) for the second door.

Goodgood.

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On Fri, 23 Mar 2012 09:52:38 -0400, "John Grossbohlin"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>Based on how threads spiral out of control sometimes I keep thinking there
>is a joke in here somewhere about "reading and comprehending" vs. "reading
>and comprehending and replying" vs. "reading and replying sans
>comprehension" vs. "not being able to understand a post due to poorly
>expressed content" vs. "not being able to understand a post due to
>preconceived biases," etc., etc.
>
>After 25 years or so of reading stuff on-line I've seen it all! ;~)

And now what happens next week?

On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 22:48:50 -0400, "Lee Michaels"
<leemichaels*nadaspam* at comcast dot net> wrote:

>
>
>"Ed Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>
>
>> Young healthy people never think of those things when designing. Laws
>> now force them to a point to make access. I'm even surprised at some
>> hospitals and medical centers that have narrow doorways instead of one
>> just a few inches wider.
>>
>> If architects and interior designers had to use crutches and a
>> wheelchair for a week, you'd see a lot of changes in the future.
>>
>
>How about all the computer programs and graphic displays that only allow
>people who have the eye sight of an eagle to use them? Again, created by
>young people who obviously don't have a clue how the rest of us live.

That's why Windows and browsers allow for different font sizes.
I'll leave doing the Internet via cell phone to kids who can -see-
that little 3.4" screen. Sheesh!

--
Knowledge speaks, but wisdom listens.
-- Jimi Hendrix

On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 14:16:03 -0400, Greg Guarino <[email protected]>
wrote:

>On 3/20/2012 12:45 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
>> On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 03:18:40 -0700 (PDT), Greg Guarino
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mar 20, 1:42 am, Larry Jaques<[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 20:07:10 -0700 (PDT), Greg Guarino
>>>>
>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> On Mar 19, 10:16 pm, tiredofspam<nospam.nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Please take these constructively. I'm sure you learned a lot during this
>>>>>> build.
>>>>
>>>>>> 1. Your Splines grain is going in the wrong direction. You want this to
>>>>>> provide extra support, so you set the grain to go 90 degrees to what you
>>>>>> have them.
>>>>
>>>>> Hadn't thought of that. I can see now how the strength of the spline
>>>>> would be greater "your" way, but I think it should be adequate in this
>>>>> application as is.
>>>>
>>>> I -thought- I saw a 'wrong' spline there. If the grain direction is
>>>> the same as that of the stile (which I thought I saw) it can break
>>>> very easily, especially with the little gaps you had. Slam the door
>>>> hard once and it could be CURTAINS! G'luck!
>>>
>>> The grain runs in the same direction as the stiles, vertically. See
>>> below
>>>
>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdguarino/6365597669/in/set-72157627751790027/lightbox/
>>
>> Oops, not the safest way.
>
>By which you mean the small block of oak and the fingers near the miter
>saw blade? I guess you're right. I am pretty cautious though, especially
>as one of my other uses for my fingers is at the piano (a much more
>advanced skill than woodworking, with better cash-flow too)
>
> >Those look to be 1/4" rather than 1/8".
>> Better.
>
>The grooves are 7/32 and splines fit snugly (one might say "tightly" on
>the first door)

I was going to predict an unusually quick ending for the doors, Greg,
but you did make them -much- stronger y using the plywood. They'll
hold.


>>> As for the gap, it's only on the first door I made. The splines were
>>> tighter than they should have been, and I guess a little wider as
>>> well. I fixed that problem (with a block plane) for the second door.
>>
>> Goodgood.
>
>What, you didn't make it to that photo ("shaving down splines")? Eight
>of the 200 people who viewed the finished desk made it all the way
>through the set.

Yeah, I saw that. I figured the groove was 1/3 of the 3/4" stock.


>I'm something of a photo buff too. I've been amusing myself documenting
>the project. Some of the "dramatic" lighting was courtesy of a couple of
>reflector work lights.

A real photo buff would have had photographic studio lighting parts.
Mine's single and white, like me, but similar to this one. <g>
http://tinyurl.com/88sg4td ,

or this great deal
http://tinyurl.com/7s695b8

--
Knowledge speaks, but wisdom listens.
-- Jimi Hendrix

On 3/21/2012 10:46 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 22:48:50 -0400, "Lee Michaels"
> <leemichaels*nadaspam* at comcast dot net> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> "Ed Pawlowski"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>
>>> Young healthy people never think of those things when designing. Laws
>>> now force them to a point to make access. I'm even surprised at some
>>> hospitals and medical centers that have narrow doorways instead of one
>>> just a few inches wider.
>>>
>>> If architects and interior designers had to use crutches and a
>>> wheelchair for a week, you'd see a lot of changes in the future.
>>>
>>
>> How about all the computer programs and graphic displays that only allow
>> people who have the eye sight of an eagle to use them? Again, created by
>> young people who obviously don't have a clue how the rest of us live.
>
> That's why Windows and browsers allow for different font sizes.
> I'll leave doing the Internet via cell phone to kids who can -see-
> that little 3.4" screen. Sheesh!
>
> --
> Knowledge speaks, but wisdom listens.
> -- Jimi Hendrix


Those web sites they browse with cell phones are not normal full size
screens. They just done't fit!

On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 23:25:02 -0400, "Mike Marlow"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>CW wrote:
>
>>
>> I never read this group. As a matter of fact, I'm not here now.

We've known that for years, C-dub.


>Phew! I don't see you and I was getting worried...
>
>At least now I'm reassured - you're not here and I'm not seeing you. Or
>something like that... Time for bed I think...

Gee, are you guys -that- close? <knowing wink>

--
When you are kind to someone in trouble, you hope they'll remember
and be kind to someone else. And it'll become like a wildfire.
-- Whoopi Goldberg

On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 20:12:21 -0700 (PDT), Greg Guarino
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Mar 19, 4:22 pm, Sonny <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Looks great to me.
>>
>> Judging yourself too harshly!  It may be just another "thing", now,
>> but it's the trip that got you (and it) there.
>
>My Dad always said, "everything is easy once you know how". I try to
>teach my daughter that too.

Precisely! Dad taught me that a scientific curiosity was my friend
and I started learning how -everything- worked from the get-go. It is
one of the most pleasurable aspects of my life.

Kudos on teaching that to your kids.

--
When you are kind to someone in trouble, you hope they'll remember
and be kind to someone else. And it'll become like a wildfire.
-- Whoopi Goldberg