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> Rob
>
>
581 - bore gauge
582 - paper dart
583 - castellated nut 3/8" 18 zinc plated
584 - Part of a tobacco cutter
584 - Chain binder
585 - mud mixer (can also be used for paint)
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Safety wire is often used with the castle nuts.
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Enoch Root wrote:
> Doug Payne wrote:
>
>>>>Sorry, not true. You have the name right but the usage wrong. Slotted
>>>>nuts are used on truck and automotive spindles, not Castellated nuts.
>>>>There is a difference.
>>>
>>>
>>>I suggest you consult a dictionary for the meaning of castellated,
>>>a hint, it has nothing to do with truck & automotive spindles.
>>
>>
>>Just for fun, OED says:
>>
>>----
>>castellated ('kæst@leItId), ppl. a. [f. med.L. castella¯t-us (see above)
>>+ -ed. (Earlier than the vb.)]
>>[...]
>>c transf. Of a nut or disc: having grooves or recesses on its upper face.
>>
>> 1904 A. B. F. Young Complete Motorist iv. 74 Castellated nuts are
>>used throughout, with split pins. 1922 Times 20 June 8/5 The wheel and
>>consequently the castellated shaft will be rotated.
>>----
>>
>>My motorcycle has 'em on the ends of the axles.
>
>
> That must be the American OED. My Compact OED doesn't have that, and
> only references very general castle-like or castle-strewn thingies.
>
> er
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> > Just for fun, OED says:
> > ----
> > castellated ('kæst@leItId), ppl. a. [f. med.L. castella¯t-us (see above)
> > + -ed. (Earlier than the vb.)]
> > [...]
> > c transf. Of a nut or disc: having grooves or recesses on its upper face.
> >
> > 1904 A. B. F. Young Complete Motorist iv. 74 Castellated nuts are
> > used throughout, with split pins. 1922 Times 20 June 8/5 The wheel and
> > consequently the castellated shaft will be rotated.
> > ----
> That must be the American OED. My Compact OED doesn't have that...
Well, sure, if you only look at a definition written in 1889, you won't
find a usage where the earliest cite is 1904, will you? Go to Volume 2,
page 3913, and you'll see the definition from the 1933 Supplement.
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According to Dave Baker <Dave [email protected]>:
> 581. I'm guessing a pipe or cylinder bore gauge designed to be used with the
> cylinder horizontal. The holder and tool would be slid into the cylinder so
> that the bottom edges of the holder rested along the bore.
I'm not sure about that. Would the thumbscrew be lifted up high
enough to clear the slot, so it could rotate when the bottom edges of
the holder were in contact with the cylinder walls?
> This would keep
> the tool perpendicular to the bore and exactly on a diameter. The tool can
> be adjusted until it's a sliding fit and then removed to read it either
> directly off its own scale for rough measurements or more exactly with a
> micrometer across the tool.
[ ... ]
> It looks a bit clumsy and much less accurate than a dial bore gauge or
> telescopic gauge so maybe it's nothing to do with bores at all and is for
> measuring a gap in some specific piece of machinery.
It is not *that* inaccurate. It is calibrated to 1/256th of an
inch, or close to 0.004" per division. And it is quite old, as it has
been a long time since machine work was done in fractional inches, so it
may have been reasonable accuracy for the period.
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[ ... ]
> My only remaining interest in this mainly pointless and pedantic bickering
> is a vestigial curiosity about the reason for some nuts designed to be used
> with split pins having a round bit above the hex and some not having that.
My own opinion about this is that the ones with the section
turned round lets you bend the cotter key legs to wrap around that
section, and keep the entire cotter key within the profile of the hex
diagonal, so a rotating cover (grease cap, for example) will not drag on
the cotter key. When dealing with a nut which is just slotted for the
key, without the turned section, one leg is bent down along the flat of
the nut, and the other is bent up and over the end of the threaded stud,
which increases the chances of it dragging on the grease cap.
> As for terminology I'll continue to call any nut designed to be used with a
> split pin a castellated nut whether it has a round bit on it or not. At
> least that way everyone even vaguely associated with engineering or
> mechanics will know what the hell I'm talking about.
Agreed. IIRC, the official shop manual for my MGA used that
term.
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#528, A paper clip.
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> Rob
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>
Mark and Kim Smith wrote:
>
> Norman D. Crow wrote:
>
> > <snip>
> >
> >583 Not to start a pi**in' contest, but the correct term is "Castellated"
> >nut, although commonly called castle nut. Most familiar use is in the front
> >suspension & steering of cars/trucks to insure nothing vibrates loose.
> >
> >
>
> Sorry, not true. You have the name right but the usage wrong. Slotted
> nuts are used on truck and automotive spindles, not Castellated nuts.
> There is a difference.
>
> ><snip>
> >
> >
I suggest you consult a dictionary for the meaning of castellated,
a hint, it has nothing to do with truck & automotive spindles.
Tom
Mark and Kim Smith wrote:
>
> Tom wrote:
>
> >Mark and Kim Smith wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Norman D. Crow wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>><snip>
> >>>
> >>>583 Not to start a pi**in' contest, but the correct term is "Castellated"
> >>>nut, although commonly called castle nut. Most familiar use is in the front
> >>>suspension & steering of cars/trucks to insure nothing vibrates loose.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>Sorry, not true. You have the name right but the usage wrong. Slotted
> >>nuts are used on truck and automotive spindles, not Castellated nuts.
> >>There is a difference.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>><snip>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >
> >I suggest you consult a dictionary for the meaning of castellated,
> >a hint, it has nothing to do with truck & automotive spindles.
> >
> >Tom
> >
> >
>
> Didn't I post that??
No, you posted something about "slotted" nuts which was
entirely irrelevant.
Mark and Kim Smith wrote:
>
> Tom wrote:
>
> >Mark and Kim Smith wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Tom wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>Mark and Kim Smith wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Norman D. Crow wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>><snip>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>583 Not to start a pi**in' contest, but the correct term is "Castellated"
> >>>>>nut, although commonly called castle nut. Most familiar use is in the front
> >>>>>suspension & steering of cars/trucks to insure nothing vibrates loose.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>Sorry, not true. You have the name right but the usage wrong. Slotted
> >>>>nuts are used on truck and automotive spindles, not Castellated nuts.
> >>>>There is a difference.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>><snip>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>I suggest you consult a dictionary for the meaning of castellated,
> >>>a hint, it has nothing to do with truck & automotive spindles.
> >>>
> >>>Tom
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>Didn't I post that??
> >>
> >>
> >
> >No, you posted something about "slotted" nuts which was
> >entirely irrelevant.
> >
> >
>
> How's that?? The previous poster said that castellated nuts were used
> in automotive applications, steering and suspension. I said they are
> not ( similar to what you posted.) I said slotted nuts are mostly used
> in automotive applications. Spindles are part of automotive steering
> and suspension. Slotted nuts and castellated nuts are two different
> types of nuts. What part of that doesn't make sense to you?? Let me
> know and I'll explain it to you with pictures so you don't make the same
> mistake in the future.
I see you're too tired to look up a dictionary or perhaps you don't
know what one is? That people started calling castellated nuts,
slotted nuts is because too many people and it appears that includes
yourself were unable to comprehend the term, castellated. It's called
dumbing down. To be charitable, one could I suppose, say it saves ink..
As for your assertions about automotive usage, it would seem that you're
one of masses that only your experience is to be quoted. Also you keep
quoting current usage, does this mean that fitting side valve engines
to automobile never happened because it isn't a current practice?
Tom
Mark and Kim Smith wrote:
>
> Tom wrote:
>
> > <snip>
> >
> >I see you're too tired to look up a dictionary or perhaps you don't
> >know what one is? That people started calling castellated nuts,
> >slotted nuts is because too many people and it appears that includes
> >yourself were unable to comprehend the term, castellated. It's called
> >dumbing down. To be charitable, one could I suppose, say it saves ink..
> >
> >
>
> Nope, I looked it up, just for you.
>
> Just because you don't want to be technically correct to know there is a
> difference, doesn't mean you have to accuse everyone of "dumbing down."
> The problem is that you call castellated nuts slotted nuts when they are
> not. Castellated nuts and slotted nuts are two different nuts.
No I don't, slotted nuts are castellated..
Looked it up? Yeah right. Have another look.
Tom
"Norman D. Crow" wrote:
>
>
> is, in the 11th picture down, according to your definition, a slotted nut,
> but they call it a castellated nut. I believe Leon said "I call it potato,
> you call it pototo".
>
> Next time I'll just keep my mouth shut.
>
Restaurants call them "Rocky Mountain oysters." If the menu said
"castellated nuts", some customers would keep their mouth shut.
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581. I'm guessing a pipe or cylinder bore gauge designed to be used with the
cylinder horizontal. The holder and tool would be slid into the cylinder so
that the bottom edges of the holder rested along the bore. This would keep
the tool perpendicular to the bore and exactly on a diameter. The tool can
be adjusted until it's a sliding fit and then removed to read it either
directly off its own scale for rough measurements or more exactly with a
micrometer across the tool.
The way the mass appears to be distributed I doubt if it could be used
easily with a vertical bore. It looks like it would just pivot over centre
and the tool fall out unless you held the tool with one hand while inserting
the whole thing with the other.
It looks a bit clumsy and much less accurate than a dial bore gauge or
telescopic gauge so maybe it's nothing to do with bores at all and is for
measuring a gap in some specific piece of machinery.
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> DoN. Nichols wrote:
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> > <snip>
> >
> >583) Castlelated nut -- used on a bolt or a stud with a cross-drilled
> > hole and with a cotter pin placed through the hole between the
> > projections and bent to hold it in position to prevent the nut
> > from changing position. Commonly used when the proper setting
> > is not tight enough to prevent the nut from shifting due to
> > vibration. An example (though this is too small for that task)
> > is the nut holding the outer bearing on a front wheel assembly
> > of a car (without front-wheel drive).
> >
> >
> Nope, that's where slotted nuts are used. Not Castelated. There is a
> difference.
The only difference is that strictly speaking a castellated nut has a
cylindrical section above the hexagonal part (as in the case of 583) and a
slotted nut doesn't. I reckon most mechanics and engineers would
automatically call both types a castellated nut though and be unaware of the
somewhat pedantic difference.
Both types are designed for use with a split pin but the cylindrical part of
a castellated nut makes it easier to wrap the split pin ends round the nut.
Castellated nuts most certainly are used on automotive axles. You tend to
see slotted nuts more on ball joints and other suspension parts. However
probably the most common way of holding an adjustable type wheel bearing is
a plain nut and the split pin goes through a pressed steel nut retainer
which can be rotated to best line up with the split pin hole without
altering the nut setting. The non adjustable wheel bearings tend to be
torqued up to very high settings and a flange at the top of the nut is then
staked into a notch on the axle so no split pin is used.
http://www.vespamaintenance.com/body/rbrake/
There's a pic of what is clearly a castellated nut on the wheel hub of a
Vespa - all I could find online at short notice.
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> According to Dave Baker <Dave [email protected]>:
> > 581. I'm guessing a pipe or cylinder bore gauge designed to be used with
the
> > cylinder horizontal. The holder and tool would be slid into the cylinder
so
> > that the bottom edges of the holder rested along the bore.
>
> I'm not sure about that. Would the thumbscrew be lifted up high
> enough to clear the slot, so it could rotate when the bottom edges of
> the holder were in contact with the cylinder walls?
The 'thumbscrew' doesn't want to lift above the slot. It's just a pin to
stop the top of the tool rotating while the lower section is adjusted to
size.
>
> > This would
keep
> > the tool perpendicular to the bore and exactly on a diameter. The tool
can
> > be adjusted until it's a sliding fit and then removed to read it either
> > directly off its own scale for rough measurements or more exactly with a
> > micrometer across the tool.
>
> [ ... ]
>
> > It looks a bit clumsy and much less accurate than a dial bore gauge or
> > telescopic gauge so maybe it's nothing to do with bores at all and is
for
> > measuring a gap in some specific piece of machinery.
>
> It is not *that* inaccurate. It is calibrated to 1/256th of an
> inch, or close to 0.004" per division. And it is quite old, as it has
> been a long time since machine work was done in fractional inches, so it
> may have been reasonable accuracy for the period.
When I was trying to deduce what it was I took some measurements off the
screen to ascertain the resolution of the device. Where it is marked 5 and
10 in the second pic you can measure the distance between those two points
and also the diameter of the tool at the same place across the top of the
conical bit.
You have to adjust for the fact that the distance between the 5 and 10 is a
chord not an arc but I have a spreadsheet I often use which does that. The
result is that the markings appear to indicate 25 divisions per revolution.
Assuming each revolution is 1/16" then that's 1/400" (0.0025") per division
but only every fifth division is marked. That's 12.5 thou per mark which is
a country mile on an engine bore no matter how old. Maybe the OP could
confirm what the resolution is for us.
I think the only way this could possibly be used to any accuracy is by
measuring across it with a separate micrometer after gauging the bore.
--
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Matthew T. Russotto <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> In article <[email protected]>,
> Rich Grise <[email protected]> wrote:
> >On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 02:58:50 -0500, Mark and Kim Smith wrote:
> >
> >> How's that?? The previous poster said that castellated nuts were used
> >> in automotive applications, steering and suspension. I said they are
> >> not ( similar to what you posted.) I said slotted nuts are mostly used
> >> in automotive applications. Spindles are part of automotive steering
> >> and suspension. Slotted nuts and castellated nuts are two different
> >> types of nuts. What part of that doesn't make sense to you?? Let me
> >> know and I'll explain it to you with pictures so you don't make the
same
> >> mistake in the future.
> >
> >Yes, please show us pictures of these "slotted" and "castellated" nuts,
> >and explain the difference between a "castellated" and a "castle" nut, if
> >you would be so kind. :-)
>
> SPS technologies sells slotted and castellated nuts:
>
> http://www.spstech.com/aero/products/nuts/slotted.html
Those are self locking nuts not designed to be used with a split pin so a
different type of beast altogether. It makes a certain point though. There
are many types of nut with slots in them including ones with horizontal
slots which almost slice the nut into two halves (another type of self
locking nut). The term "slotted nut" is therefore almost meaningless without
further specifying what sort of slot. However everyone knows roughly what a
castellated nut is even if there is a miniscule distinction between nuts
with a round bit above the hex and those without.
Quite why Mr Smith is so worked up about this distinction I have no idea and
his assertion that 'true' (by his own definition) castellated nuts (round
bit above the hex) are not used on vehicle axles when they clearly are was
just flat wrong.
My only remaining interest in this mainly pointless and pedantic bickering
is a vestigial curiosity about the reason for some nuts designed to be used
with split pins having a round bit above the hex and some not having that.
As for terminology I'll continue to call any nut designed to be used with a
split pin a castellated nut whether it has a round bit on it or not. At
least that way everyone even vaguely associated with engineering or
mechanics will know what the hell I'm talking about.
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#583, Lock nut for use with a cotter pin. Or maybe and axle nut.
#585, Chain tensioner, for tightening down chains that hold loads.
#586, Squirrel cage fan.
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>
> Rob
>
>
581. ?
582. ?
583. Castellated Nut
584. Drawn Knife
585. Forgot what they are called, you tighten loads on trucks with them.
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582. Paper clip book marks.
583. Castle Nut minus the cotter pin.
585. Chain cinch
586. Paint stirrer
According to R.H. <[email protected]>:
> Just posted this week's set:
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O.K. As usual, posting from rec.crafts.metalworking:
581) Internal micrometer thimble, with a fixture to
hold it where the measurement is needed.
It appears to be calibrated in fractional inch sizes, starting
at 2-11/16" and going up to somewhere larger than 3-3/16".
The thimble looks to be calibrated in 1/16 of the 1/16" steps,
or 1/256th of an inch.
Given the size range, and the presence of the word "oversizes"
on the device, I would suggest that this was used for measuring
the bores of engine cylinders.
582) Bookmarks, or to be set at the edge of a piece of paper,
pointing to a particular line on the paper.
583) Castlelated nut -- used on a bolt or a stud with a cross-drilled
hole and with a cotter pin placed through the hole between the
projections and bent to hold it in position to prevent the nut
from changing position. Commonly used when the proper setting
is not tight enough to prevent the nut from shifting due to
vibration. An example (though this is too small for that task)
is the nut holding the outer bearing on a front wheel assembly
of a car (without front-wheel drive).
584) It looks as though the loop to the right originally terminated
in another handle, pointed parallel to the first, I suspect,
and held in place by a screw, so the operator's hand is inside
the curve.
Some kind of wood shaving tool, but I'm not sure what specific
operation this particular shape is good for.
585) Load binder. The hooks hold chain links, and the handle pulls
the two hooks closer together, to tighten a chain over a heavy
piece of equipment on a flatbed trailer or similar situation,
where you need the load to be firmly controlled so it does not
slide off the trailer.
There are ratcheting devices for flat belts to perform similar
functions, though with somewhat less force.
586) Hmm ... it is viewing into the end of a squirrel-cage blower,
a rather small one. But I can't think of a specific tool on
which this would be exposed as shown.
I guess that it (if run at a lower speed) might be good for
stirring paint or something similar.
Or -- it might be held close to a fire you are trying to start,
I guess.
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In article <[email protected]>,
Rich Grise <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 02:58:50 -0500, Mark and Kim Smith wrote:
>
>> How's that?? The previous poster said that castellated nuts were used
>> in automotive applications, steering and suspension. I said they are
>> not ( similar to what you posted.) I said slotted nuts are mostly used
>> in automotive applications. Spindles are part of automotive steering
>> and suspension. Slotted nuts and castellated nuts are two different
>> types of nuts. What part of that doesn't make sense to you?? Let me
>> know and I'll explain it to you with pictures so you don't make the same
>> mistake in the future.
>
>Yes, please show us pictures of these "slotted" and "castellated" nuts,
>and explain the difference between a "castellated" and a "castle" nut, if
>you would be so kind. :-)
SPS technologies sells slotted and castellated nuts:
http://www.spstech.com/aero/products/nuts/slotted.html
http://www.spstech.com/aero/products/nuts/castell.html
The slotted nuts have narrow slots which do not extend into the flats
of the nut. The castellated ones have wide slots which do extend into
the flats of the nut -- in some there is no round area on the top.
Which means that the nuts on auto suspensions that everyone calls
"castelled nuts" are, in fact, castellated nuts.
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>
> 583 Not to start a pi**in' contest, but the correct term is
> "Castellated" nut, although commonly called castle nut. Most familiar use
> is in the front suspension & steering of cars/trucks to insure nothing
> vibrates loose.
I say potato you say pototo
Stephen Young wrote:
> Joe Barta wrote:
>> Stephen Young wrote:
>>
>>> 585. End view of a paint stirrer
>>
>> You mean 586, and I think it's a blower wheel... for something.
>>
>> http://images.google.com/images?q=blower+wheel
> Yes, I did mean #586 but no, not a blower wheel. OP remarked that
> it is a "tool that can be found in most large hardware stores".
> It's a paint stirrer - I've seen one before...
>
Yeah, that was my first thought... I've seen that type of paint stir
before. I suppose it just seemed *more* like a blower wheel... but
you're probably right.
Joe Barta
According to Tom <[email protected]>:
> "R.H." wrote:
> >
> > Just posted this week's set:
> >
> > http://puzzlephotos.blogspot.com/
> 584 Tobacco cutter?
I think that you're right. The hole in the end would thus
secure it to the chopping block, allowing one hand to operate it, and
the other hand to move the tobacco.
So my (already posted) answer is now more likely to be wrong.
Enjoy,
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Once again they've all been answered correctly:
581. Old micrometer for automobile cylinders
582. Book darts
583. Castellated nut
584. Block knife or chopper, could be used for tobacco but is also for
other crops as well.
585. Load binder
586. Squirrel mixer
Numerous links and few new photos have been posted on the answer page:
http://puzphotosans103n.blogspot.com/
Rob
On Thu, 09 Feb 2006 08:40:36 GMT, "R.H." <[email protected]> wrote:
>Just posted this week's set:
>
>http://puzzlephotos.blogspot.com/
>
>
>
>Rob
>
#582: a brass or copper bookmark. It slides over the edge of the page.
That's it for me this time. Well, 583 is some sort of nut, but what
kind I have no idea...
On Thu, 09 Feb 2006 08:40:36 GMT, "R.H." <[email protected]> wrote:
>Just posted this week's set:
>
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582. Bookmark
583. Self-threader
584. Tobacco cutter [needs board]
585. [Logging] chain tightener/clamp
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> On Thu, 09 Feb 2006 08:40:36 +0000, R.H. wrote:
>
>> Just posted this week's set:
>>
>> http://puzzlephotos.blogspot.com/
>
> 583: Castle nut - the bolt has a hole for a cotter pin, which goes through
> the appropriate slot, and holds the nut in place.
>
> 585: a "Come-along" - the two hooks hook to chains that need to have
> tension applied - the long handle gives you leverage, and the interesting
> clevis arrangement toggles and holds it in the retracted position.
>
> 586: looks like the end view of a small squirrel-cage blower.
>
583 Not to start a pi**in' contest, but the correct term is "Castellated"
nut, although commonly called castle nut. Most familiar use is in the front
suspension & steering of cars/trucks to insure nothing vibrates loose.
585 Generally called a "chain binder" or "load binder", very familiar to
anyone around the flatbed trucking business. Used to securely tie down those
steel coils, loads of pipe, lumber, logs, etc. The long handle is indeed for
extra leverage, but it's not enough when tying down a heavy load, which is
why they make cheater bars, apiece of pipe about 3' long that you put over
the handle to get the extra leverage needed.
--
Nahmie
The only road to success is always under construction.
Norman D. Crow wrote:
> <snip>
>
>583 Not to start a pi**in' contest, but the correct term is "Castellated"
>nut, although commonly called castle nut. Most familiar use is in the front
>suspension & steering of cars/trucks to insure nothing vibrates loose.
>
>
Sorry, not true. You have the name right but the usage wrong. Slotted
nuts are used on truck and automotive spindles, not Castellated nuts.
There is a difference.
><snip>
>
>
DoN. Nichols wrote:
> <snip>
>
>583) Castlelated nut -- used on a bolt or a stud with a cross-drilled
> hole and with a cotter pin placed through the hole between the
> projections and bent to hold it in position to prevent the nut
> from changing position. Commonly used when the proper setting
> is not tight enough to prevent the nut from shifting due to
> vibration. An example (though this is too small for that task)
> is the nut holding the outer bearing on a front wheel assembly
> of a car (without front-wheel drive).
>
>
Nope, that's where slotted nuts are used. Not Castelated. There is a
difference.
><snip>
>
>
Dave Baker wrote:
>Mark and Kim Smith <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>
>
>>DoN. Nichols wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>><snip>
>>>
>>>583) Castlelated nut -- used on a bolt or a stud with a cross-drilled
>>>hole and with a cotter pin placed through the hole between the
>>>projections and bent to hold it in position to prevent the nut
>>>from changing position. Commonly used when the proper setting
>>>is not tight enough to prevent the nut from shifting due to
>>>vibration. An example (though this is too small for that task)
>>>is the nut holding the outer bearing on a front wheel assembly
>>>of a car (without front-wheel drive).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>Nope, that's where slotted nuts are used. Not Castelated. There is a
>>difference.
>>
>>
>
>The only difference is that strictly speaking a castellated nut has a
>cylindrical section above the hexagonal part (as in the case of 583) and a
>slotted nut doesn't. I reckon most mechanics and engineers would
>automatically call both types a castellated nut though and be unaware of the
>somewhat pedantic difference.
>
>Both types are designed for use with a split pin but the cylindrical part of
>a castellated nut makes it easier to wrap the split pin ends round the nut.
>Castellated nuts most certainly are used on automotive axles. You tend to
>see slotted nuts more on ball joints and other suspension parts. However
>probably the most common way of holding an adjustable type wheel bearing is
>a plain nut and the split pin goes through a pressed steel nut retainer
>which can be rotated to best line up with the split pin hole without
>altering the nut setting. The non adjustable wheel bearings tend to be
>torqued up to very high settings and a flange at the top of the nut is then
>staked into a notch on the axle so no split pin is used.
>
>http://www.vespamaintenance.com/body/rbrake/
>
>There's a pic of what is clearly a castellated nut on the wheel hub of a
>Vespa - all I could find online at short notice.
>--
>Dave Baker
>
>
>
>
It's going to be more of a rarity these days, seeing a castellated nut
in an automotive situation. Heavy trucks still use a lot of slotted
nuts and double nuts with lock rings. Ford came out with a spring
loaded nut / washer assembly. There is no common way these days. Most
manufacturers have gone to a sealed bearing hub with removable hats,
although some of those hubs will have a slotted nut for the 4x4 axle.
As for split or cotter pins, wrapping around the nut isn't always how it
is to be done. Sometimes one leg will come back over the axle while the
other might be cut or bent out of the way. Depends on the pin design.
Most mechanics would know the difference between the two nuts. They
just won't care. If it came off, it goes back on.
So, yeah they were used. But not much these days. Somewhat like clutch
head bolts and screws. When was the last time you seen one of those
come out on a new product??
Tom wrote:
>Mark and Kim Smith wrote:
>
>
>>Norman D. Crow wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>><snip>
>>>
>>>583 Not to start a pi**in' contest, but the correct term is "Castellated"
>>>nut, although commonly called castle nut. Most familiar use is in the front
>>>suspension & steering of cars/trucks to insure nothing vibrates loose.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>Sorry, not true. You have the name right but the usage wrong. Slotted
>>nuts are used on truck and automotive spindles, not Castellated nuts.
>>There is a difference.
>>
>>
>>
>>><snip>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>I suggest you consult a dictionary for the meaning of castellated,
>a hint, it has nothing to do with truck & automotive spindles.
>
>Tom
>
>
Didn't I post that??
Tom wrote:
>Mark and Kim Smith wrote:
>
>
>>Tom wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Mark and Kim Smith wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Norman D. Crow wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>><snip>
>>>>>
>>>>>583 Not to start a pi**in' contest, but the correct term is "Castellated"
>>>>>nut, although commonly called castle nut. Most familiar use is in the front
>>>>>suspension & steering of cars/trucks to insure nothing vibrates loose.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>Sorry, not true. You have the name right but the usage wrong. Slotted
>>>>nuts are used on truck and automotive spindles, not Castellated nuts.
>>>>There is a difference.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>><snip>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>I suggest you consult a dictionary for the meaning of castellated,
>>>a hint, it has nothing to do with truck & automotive spindles.
>>>
>>>Tom
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>Didn't I post that??
>>
>>
>
>No, you posted something about "slotted" nuts which was
>entirely irrelevant.
>
>
How's that?? The previous poster said that castellated nuts were used
in automotive applications, steering and suspension. I said they are
not ( similar to what you posted.) I said slotted nuts are mostly used
in automotive applications. Spindles are part of automotive steering
and suspension. Slotted nuts and castellated nuts are two different
types of nuts. What part of that doesn't make sense to you?? Let me
know and I'll explain it to you with pictures so you don't make the same
mistake in the future.
"Mark and Kim Smith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Tom wrote:
>
>>Mark and Kim Smith wrote:
>>
>>>Tom wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Mark and Kim Smith wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Norman D. Crow wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>><snip>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>583 Not to start a pi**in' contest, but the correct term is
>>>>>>"Castellated"
>>>>>>nut, although commonly called castle nut. Most familiar use is in the
>>>>>>front
>>>>>>suspension & steering of cars/trucks to insure nothing vibrates loose.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>Sorry, not true. You have the name right but the usage wrong. Slotted
>>>>>nuts are used on truck and automotive spindles, not Castellated nuts.
>>>>>There is a difference.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>><snip>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>I suggest you consult a dictionary for the meaning of castellated,
>>>>a hint, it has nothing to do with truck & automotive spindles.
>>>>
>>>>Tom
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Didn't I post that??
>>>
>>
>>No, you posted something about "slotted" nuts which was
>>entirely irrelevant.
>>
>
> How's that?? The previous poster said that castellated nuts were used in
> automotive applications, steering and suspension. I said they are not (
> similar to what you posted.) I said slotted nuts are mostly used in
> automotive applications. Spindles are part of automotive steering and
> suspension. Slotted nuts and castellated nuts are two different types of
> nuts. What part of that doesn't make sense to you?? Let me know and I'll
> explain it to you with pictures so you don't make the same mistake in the
> future.
Let's clear this up a little . . . Doesn't really make a rat's backside
whether it's slotted or castellated. They both serve the same function,
which is to be retained in place by a cotter(or other) pin to keep them from
coming loose. I spent a few minutes on Google Images, and in a lot of cases
you'll be hard pressed to tell the difference. Search for slotted nut showed
some that were apparently castellated according to your definition, and
search for castellated nut showed some that sure looked like slotted.
Technically they may be different, but for all practical purposes they're
the same. Someone said the mechanic doesn't really care, if it came off it
goes back on. Let's face it, you drop a handful of mixed slotted &
castellated on a table most people aren't going to recognize the difference
between them(or care).
http://www.montac.com/mustang/kmember_part1.htm
is, in the 11th picture down, according to your definition, a slotted nut,
but they call it a castellated nut. I believe Leon said "I call it potato,
you call it pototo".
Next time I'll just keep my mouth shut.
--
Nahmie
The only road to success is always under construction.
>> Sorry, not true. You have the name right but the usage wrong. Slotted
>> nuts are used on truck and automotive spindles, not Castellated nuts.
>> There is a difference.
>
> I suggest you consult a dictionary for the meaning of castellated,
> a hint, it has nothing to do with truck & automotive spindles.
Just for fun, OED says:
----
castellated ('kæst@leItId), ppl. a. [f. med.L. castella¯t-us (see above)
+ -ed. (Earlier than the vb.)]
[...]
c transf. Of a nut or disc: having grooves or recesses on its upper face.
1904 A. B. F. Young Complete Motorist iv. 74 Castellated nuts are
used throughout, with split pins. 1922 Times 20 June 8/5 The wheel and
consequently the castellated shaft will be rotated.
----
My motorcycle has 'em on the ends of the axles.
Rich Grise wrote:
>On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 02:58:50 -0500, Mark and Kim Smith wrote:
>
>
>
>>How's that?? The previous poster said that castellated nuts were used
>>in automotive applications, steering and suspension. I said they are
>>not ( similar to what you posted.) I said slotted nuts are mostly used
>>in automotive applications. Spindles are part of automotive steering
>>and suspension. Slotted nuts and castellated nuts are two different
>>types of nuts. What part of that doesn't make sense to you?? Let me
>>know and I'll explain it to you with pictures so you don't make the same
>>mistake in the future.
>>
>>
>
>Yes, please show us pictures of these "slotted" and "castellated" nuts,
>and explain the difference between a "castellated" and a "castle" nut, if
>you would be so kind. :-)
>
>Thanks!
>Rich
>
>
>
Castellated:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v80/harnett65/Album%203/pic583.jpg
Slotted: http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/face/images/99ia093c.jpg
Castel nut is a generic term.
Tom wrote:
> <snip>
>
>I see you're too tired to look up a dictionary or perhaps you don't
>know what one is? That people started calling castellated nuts,
>slotted nuts is because too many people and it appears that includes
>yourself were unable to comprehend the term, castellated. It's called
>dumbing down. To be charitable, one could I suppose, say it saves ink..
>
>
Nope, I looked it up, just for you.
Just because you don't want to be technically correct to know there is a
difference, doesn't mean you have to accuse everyone of "dumbing down."
The problem is that you call castellated nuts slotted nuts when they are
not. Castellated nuts and slotted nuts are two different nuts. I know
what a catellated nut is and what a slotted nut is. I don't make the
mistake, as you do, of mixing the two. Hmm, maybe you are too tired to
look that up. In your world, a cap screw is a cap screw. So go stock
your shelves with metric bolts and spend your life trying to fit them in
US standard threaded holes while telling yourself the whole time that
there is no difference.
>As for your assertions about automotive usage, it would seem that you're
>one of masses that only your experience is to be quoted.
>
Then , I guess this really shows how clueless you are.
> Also you keep
>quoting current usage, does this mean that fitting side valve engines
>to automobile never happened because it isn't a current practice?
>
>
Yup, definite cluelessness. Who says it isn't current practice?? Just
because you say?? It would seem that you are one of the masses that
only your experience is to be quoted!
>Tom
>
>
Rich Grise wrote:
>On Fri, 10 Feb 2006 20:34:14 +0000, R.H. wrote:
>
>
>>Once again they've all been answered correctly:
>>
>>586. Squirrel mixer
>>
>>Numerous links and few new photos have been posted on the answer page:
>>
>>http://puzphotosans103n.blogspot.com/
>>
>>
>
>Well, at least I got the "squirrel cage" part right. ;-)
>
>Cheers!
>Rich
>
>
>
Why would you want to mix squirrels?!?
On 12/02/2006 11:17 AM, Enoch Root wrote:
> Doug Payne wrote:
>> On 11/02/2006 3:59 PM, Enoch Root wrote:
>>
>>> That must be the American OED. My Compact OED doesn't have that, and
>>> only references very general castle-like or castle-strewn thingies.
>>
>> No, that's the full OED. I work at a Canadian University that has the
>> whole thing online and fully-searchable.
>
> Yeah? Mine...'s got a little magnifying glass! ;-)
Guess it didn't help, eh? :-)
Doug Payne wrote:
> On 11/02/2006 3:59 PM, Enoch Root wrote:
>
>> That must be the American OED. My Compact OED doesn't have that, and
>> only references very general castle-like or castle-strewn thingies.
>
>
> No, that's the full OED. I work at a Canadian University that has the
> whole thing online and fully-searchable.
Yeah? Mine...'s got a little magnifying glass! ;-)
er
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Mark and Kim Smith wrote:
Slotted
> nuts are used on truck and automotive spindles, not Castellated nuts.
> There is a difference.
Oh I have a story about those, involving a boss's VW, a rear tire, a
cotter pin, an intersection, and the front fender of an innocent SUV.
And it's wood related, because I was on summer break in college helping
someone build their home.
er
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Mark Brader wrote:
>>>Just for fun, OED says:
>>>----
>>>castellated ('kæst@leItId), ppl. a. [f. med.L. castella¯t-us (see above)
>>>+ -ed. (Earlier than the vb.)]
>>>[...]
>>>c transf. Of a nut or disc: having grooves or recesses on its upper face.
>>>
>>> 1904 A. B. F. Young Complete Motorist iv. 74 Castellated nuts are
>>>used throughout, with split pins. 1922 Times 20 June 8/5 The wheel and
>>>consequently the castellated shaft will be rotated.
>>>----
>
>
>
>>That must be the American OED. My Compact OED doesn't have that...
>
>
> Well, sure, if you only look at a definition written in 1889, you won't
> find a usage where the earliest cite is 1904, will you? Go to Volume 2,
> page 3913, and you'll see the definition from the 1933 Supplement.
I'll be darned. Never looked at the supplement. I've only had it since
January.
er
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On Thu, 09 Feb 2006 08:40:36 +0000, R.H. wrote:
> Just posted this week's set:
>
> http://puzzlephotos.blogspot.com/
583: Castle nut - the bolt has a hole for a cotter pin, which goes through
the appropriate slot, and holds the nut in place.
585: a "Come-along" - the two hooks hook to chains that need to have
tension applied - the long handle gives you leverage, and the interesting
clevis arrangement toggles and holds it in the retracted position.
586: looks like the end view of a small squirrel-cage blower.
Cheers!
Rich
On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 02:58:50 -0500, Mark and Kim Smith wrote:
> How's that?? The previous poster said that castellated nuts were used
> in automotive applications, steering and suspension. I said they are
> not ( similar to what you posted.) I said slotted nuts are mostly used
> in automotive applications. Spindles are part of automotive steering
> and suspension. Slotted nuts and castellated nuts are two different
> types of nuts. What part of that doesn't make sense to you?? Let me
> know and I'll explain it to you with pictures so you don't make the same
> mistake in the future.
Yes, please show us pictures of these "slotted" and "castellated" nuts,
and explain the difference between a "castellated" and a "castle" nut, if
you would be so kind. :-)
Thanks!
Rich
On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 10:03:24 -0500, Norman D. Crow wrote:
> http://www.montac.com/mustang/kmember_part1.htm
>
> is, in the 11th picture down, according to your definition, a slotted nut,
> but they call it a castellated nut. I believe Leon said "I call it potato,
> you call it pototo".
>
Some young lady, singing to accompaniment, as if in an audition:
"You say potato, and I say potato. You say tomato, and I say tomato.
Potato, potato, tomato, tomato, let's call the whole thing off."
<lady looks uncomfortable>
"You say pajamas, and I say pajamas, you say bananas, and I say bananas.
Pajamas, pajamas, bananas, bananas, let's call the whole thing off."
<lady looks distressed>
"Um, I really don't see what's wrong with this relationship!"
Cheers!
Rich
On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 10:29:45 -0500, Doug Payne wrote:
>>> Sorry, not true. You have the name right but the usage wrong. Slotted
>>> nuts are used on truck and automotive spindles, not Castellated nuts.
>>> There is a difference.
>>
>> I suggest you consult a dictionary for the meaning of castellated, a
>> hint, it has nothing to do with truck & automotive spindles.
>
> Just for fun, OED says:
>
> ----
> castellated ('kæst@leItId), ppl. a. [f. med.L. castella¯t-us (see above)
> + -ed. (Earlier than the vb.)]
> [...]
> c transf. Of a nut or disc: having grooves or recesses on its upper face.
>
> 1904 A. B. F. Young Complete Motorist iv. 74 Castellated nuts are
> used throughout, with split pins. 1922 Times 20 June 8/5 The wheel and
> consequently the castellated shaft will be rotated. ----
>
> My motorcycle has 'em on the ends of the axles.
When I look up "castellated nut" on McMaster-Carr, http://www.mcmaster.com
it finds nothing with "castellated" in it, but there are at least a
half-dozen varieties of "slotted castle" nuts. Does that mean there are
non-slotted castle nuts, or non-castle slotted nuts?
I don't know how to bookmark specific pages at their site; you'll have
to do the search, I'm afraid.
Cheers!
Rich
On Fri, 10 Feb 2006 20:34:14 +0000, R.H. wrote:
> Once again they've all been answered correctly:
>
> 586. Squirrel mixer
>
> Numerous links and few new photos have been posted on the answer page:
>
> http://puzphotosans103n.blogspot.com/
Well, at least I got the "squirrel cage" part right. ;-)
Cheers!
Rich
On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 17:10:45 -0600, Matthew T. Russotto wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Rich Grise <[email protected]> wrote:
>>On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 02:58:50 -0500, Mark and Kim Smith wrote:
>>
>>> How's that?? The previous poster said that castellated nuts were used
>>> in automotive applications, steering and suspension. I said they are
>>> not ( similar to what you posted.) I said slotted nuts are mostly used
>>> in automotive applications. Spindles are part of automotive steering
>>> and suspension. Slotted nuts and castellated nuts are two different
>>> types of nuts. What part of that doesn't make sense to you?? Let me
>>> know and I'll explain it to you with pictures so you don't make the same
>>> mistake in the future.
>>
>>Yes, please show us pictures of these "slotted" and "castellated" nuts,
>>and explain the difference between a "castellated" and a "castle" nut, if
>>you would be so kind. :-)
>
> SPS technologies sells slotted and castellated nuts:
>
> http://www.spstech.com/aero/products/nuts/slotted.html
>
> http://www.spstech.com/aero/products/nuts/castell.html
>
> The slotted nuts have narrow slots which do not extend into the flats
> of the nut. The castellated ones have wide slots which do extend into
> the flats of the nut -- in some there is no round area on the top.
> Which means that the nuts on auto suspensions that everyone calls
> "castelled nuts" are, in fact, castellated nuts.
Oh! I get it! The "slotted" nuts are "self-locking" - the slotted part
is necked down, holding the nut on the stud or bolt by brute-force
friction. You thread it on, and when the slotted part gets to the bolt
threads, it becomes very hard to turn, and conversely, it's very
hard to loosen it; they might even be for "permanent" installations.
Thanks!
Rich
Doug Payne wrote:
>>> Sorry, not true. You have the name right but the usage wrong. Slotted
>>> nuts are used on truck and automotive spindles, not Castellated nuts.
>>> There is a difference.
>>
>>
>> I suggest you consult a dictionary for the meaning of castellated,
>> a hint, it has nothing to do with truck & automotive spindles.
>
>
> Just for fun, OED says:
>
> ----
> castellated ('kæst@leItId), ppl. a. [f. med.L. castella¯t-us (see above)
> + -ed. (Earlier than the vb.)]
> [...]
> c transf. Of a nut or disc: having grooves or recesses on its upper face.
>
> 1904 A. B. F. Young Complete Motorist iv. 74 Castellated nuts are
> used throughout, with split pins. 1922 Times 20 June 8/5 The wheel and
> consequently the castellated shaft will be rotated.
> ----
>
> My motorcycle has 'em on the ends of the axles.
That must be the American OED. My Compact OED doesn't have that, and
only references very general castle-like or castle-strewn thingies.
er
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On Thu, 09 Feb 2006 08:40:36 GMT, "R.H." <[email protected]> wrote:
>Just posted this week's set:
>
>http://puzzlephotos.blogspot.com/
>
>
>
>Rob
>
577 + Toaster for tasting sliced bread
581 - an inside micrometer that measures in fractions and a holder,
possibly for bore measurements.
582 - page markers, copper, available from Lee Valley
583 - Castelated nut
586 - looks like a squirrel cage blower fan.
R.H. wrote:
> Just posted this week's set:
>
> http://puzzlephotos.blogspot.com/
>
>
>
> Rob
>
>
Joe Barta wrote:
> Stephen Young wrote:
>
>> 585. End view of a paint stirrer
>
> You mean 586, and I think it's a blower wheel... for something.
>
> http://images.google.com/images?q=blower+wheel
Yes, I did mean #586 but no, not a blower wheel. OP remarked that it is
a "tool that can be found in most large hardware stores". It's a paint
stirrer - I've seen one before...
"Dave Baker" <Dave [email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> DoN. Nichols <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > According to Dave Baker <Dave [email protected]>:
> > > 581. I'm guessing a pipe or cylinder bore gauge designed to be used
with
> the
> > > cylinder horizontal. The holder and tool would be slid into the
cylinder
> so
> > > that the bottom edges of the holder rested along the bore.
> >
> > I'm not sure about that. Would the thumbscrew be lifted up high
> > enough to clear the slot, so it could rotate when the bottom edges of
> > the holder were in contact with the cylinder walls?
>
> The 'thumbscrew' doesn't want to lift above the slot. It's just a pin to
> stop the top of the tool rotating while the lower section is adjusted to
> size.
>
> >
> > > This would
> keep
> > > the tool perpendicular to the bore and exactly on a diameter. The tool
> can
> > > be adjusted until it's a sliding fit and then removed to read it
either
> > > directly off its own scale for rough measurements or more exactly with
a
> > > micrometer across the tool.
> >
> > [ ... ]
> >
> > > It looks a bit clumsy and much less accurate than a dial bore gauge or
> > > telescopic gauge so maybe it's nothing to do with bores at all and is
> for
> > > measuring a gap in some specific piece of machinery.
> >
> > It is not *that* inaccurate. It is calibrated to 1/256th of an
> > inch, or close to 0.004" per division. And it is quite old, as it has
> > been a long time since machine work was done in fractional inches, so it
> > may have been reasonable accuracy for the period.
>
> When I was trying to deduce what it was I took some measurements off the
> screen to ascertain the resolution of the device. Where it is marked 5 and
> 10 in the second pic you can measure the distance between those two points
> and also the diameter of the tool at the same place across the top of the
> conical bit.
>
> You have to adjust for the fact that the distance between the 5 and 10 is
a
> chord not an arc but I have a spreadsheet I often use which does that. The
> result is that the markings appear to indicate 25 divisions per
revolution.
> Assuming each revolution is 1/16" then that's 1/400" (0.0025") per
division
> but only every fifth division is marked. That's 12.5 thou per mark which
is
> a country mile on an engine bore no matter how old. Maybe the OP could
> confirm what the resolution is for us.
>
> I think the only way this could possibly be used to any accuracy is by
> measuring across it with a separate micrometer after gauging the bore.
> --
> Dave Baker
I borrowed this tool from a cow-orker, so I don't have it with me but
according to my notes it takes two full revolutions to go 1/16" of an inch.
Although it doesn't appear so in the photos, the revolutions are broken down
into 30 units, it's marked 0, 2-1/2, 5, 10, 15, 20, and then for some reason
there is no marking for 25, just a blank space between 20 and 0. That's all
that I can tell you about it right now.
Rob