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"mel"

19/09/2003 12:20 PM

glue question for wet wood

I've been asked to build a wood gate for one of my builders out of western
red cedar. The wood is green with alot of moisture content. Allowing it to
dry isn't an option due to time constraints. I was wondering what sort of
glue would be best to use. I plan to peg the tendons to help keep it
together as the wood dries and shrinks.



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Bill Thomas

in reply to "mel" on 19/09/2003 12:20 PM

19/09/2003 6:15 PM

Greetings,

Given you have green wood and mortise and tenon joints,
you should consider draw bored mortise and tenon joints.
See this URL for more information:

http://www.greenwoodworking.com/draw.htm

Sincerely,
Bill Thomas

mel wrote:
> I've been asked to build a wood gate for one of my builders out of western
> red cedar. The wood is green with alot of moisture content. Allowing it to
> dry isn't an option due to time constraints. I was wondering what sort of
> glue would be best to use. I plan to peg the tendons to help keep it
> together as the wood dries and shrinks.
>
>
>

WW

"Woody"

in reply to "mel" on 19/09/2003 12:20 PM

19/09/2003 10:59 PM


"mel" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I've been asked to build a wood gate for one of my builders out of western
> red cedar. The wood is green with alot of moisture content. Allowing it
to
> dry isn't an option due to time constraints. I was wondering what sort of
> glue would be best to use. I plan to peg the tendons to help keep it
> together as the wood dries and shrinks.
>

A good urethane glue might do the trick.


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Andy Dingley

in reply to "mel" on 19/09/2003 12:20 PM

19/09/2003 5:42 PM

On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 12:20:50 GMT, "mel" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>I've been asked to build a wood gate for one of my builders out of western
>red cedar. The wood is green with alot of moisture content.

Don't glue it, peg it. If it shrinks as it dries, it'll break whatever
glue you use.

SK

Steve Knight

in reply to "mel" on 19/09/2003 12:20 PM

20/09/2003 2:11 AM

On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 12:55:37 -0500, Lazarus Long <[email protected]>
wrote:

>I would have thought polyurethane would've done the trick. See how
>much experience I have working green wood? zippo, nada I learn
>something new all the time.

well it may stick but it does not have the flex to handle shrinking wood like
wet wood. not much does.

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"mel"

in reply to "mel" on 19/09/2003 12:20 PM

20/09/2003 1:04 PM

thanks for your imput. To clarify, the "green" cedar I'm using is "green"
by industry standards...it's not fresh cut and it's all that's availible.
Currently the boards are at 25% moisture content. One of the
characteristics of cedar is that it's very stable with little dimensional
change during drying. I've built many projects using mechanical fasteners
that have withstood the test of time using this "green" wood. A side note,
cedar contains chemicals that's very corrosive to fasteners so a coated or
galvanized fastener is a must. The gate I'm building will be held together
by pegged mortise and tendon joints. The tendons will be undercut just
enough to allow shrinkage of the mortise. I'll post a pic after it's
finished. Once again thanks for your imput.
Mel

"mel" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I've been asked to build a wood gate for one of my builders out of western
> red cedar. The wood is green with alot of moisture content. Allowing it
to
> dry isn't an option due to time constraints. I was wondering what sort of
> glue would be best to use. I plan to peg the tendons to help keep it
> together as the wood dries and shrinks.
>
>
>

SK

Steve Knight

in reply to "mel" on 19/09/2003 12:20 PM

19/09/2003 4:42 PM

the only thing that works on wet wood is a good construction adhesive. but in
this case it sure does not sound like it will work at all.


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LL

Lazarus Long

in reply to "mel" on 19/09/2003 12:20 PM

19/09/2003 12:55 PM

I would have thought polyurethane would've done the trick. See how
much experience I have working green wood? zippo, nada I learn
something new all the time.

On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 16:42:22 GMT, Steve Knight
<[email protected]> wrote:

>the only thing that works on wet wood is a good construction adhesive. but in
>this case it sure does not sound like it will work at all.

LL

Lazarus Long

in reply to "mel" on 19/09/2003 12:20 PM

19/09/2003 8:08 AM

On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 12:20:50 GMT, "mel" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>I've been asked to build a wood gate for one of my builders out of western
>red cedar. The wood is green with alot of moisture content. Allowing it to
>dry isn't an option due to time constraints. I was wondering what sort of
>glue would be best to use. I plan to peg the tendons to help keep it
>together as the wood dries and shrinks.
>


Gorilla glue or other polyurethane type will work.

sD

[email protected] (Doug Miller)

in reply to "mel" on 19/09/2003 12:20 PM

19/09/2003 1:02 PM

In article <[email protected]>, "mel" <[email protected]> wrote:
>I've been asked to build a wood gate for one of my builders out of western
>red cedar. The wood is green with alot of moisture content. Allowing it to
>dry isn't an option due to time constraints. I was wondering what sort of
>glue would be best to use. I plan to peg the tendons to help keep it
>together as the wood dries and shrinks.
>
If the wood is green enough that your description of it as "wet" is accurate,
then I believe you misunderstand the situation. *Not* allowing it to dry isn't
an option due to time constraints. If you think you don't have the time to do
it right, you *definitely* don't have the time to do it *over*.

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