I know, google group posters may be scorned as the spammers they are.
Nonetheless, I've been updating an antique desk to handle the
"information age" by cautiously tearing out the vertical folder
storage to create enough room to handle the computer tower. But the
front apron, dowelled and glued to the carcasses, has made for most of
the work so far. I'm trying to keep the apron as a false drawer front
for the keyboard and mouse. This desk was bought by my dad in the
early sixties or so for $25.00 when the Masons were moving their lodge
out of one Detroit suburb to another. Nice mitred dovetail work on the
drawers, mortised locksets on all doors and drawers and one skeleton
key I'll try not to lose. My grandfather had restored the spindle
gallery, and dad had replaced the leather top and surrounding veneer.
Not bad for Masons. I just hope that the Illuminati don't get wind of
this "desecration". (Insert emoticon here). It's in the "work in
progress" album. http://tomeshew.spaces.live.com/
tom <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> On Apr 10, 7:32 am, "asmurff" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> I'd get a USB fan if you have a spare slot that way it would only run
>> while the computer is on & try exhausting the cabinet only, shouldn't
>> lead to pet hair problems.
>>
> I'll look into that, may have to add a USB hub. But man, oh man, you
> should see the fur flying around here! Tom
This got to be a quoting mess! Please trim out what you're not replying
to.
Many computer problems are caused by insufficient cooling. If your
computer's acting flaky and just odd (and you don't have a virus or
spyware), it could be cooling issues. Keep this in mind as you design
your cases and cabinets.
Also, many computers have fans in front. You might not notice this from
looking at the case.
Puckdropper
--
You can only do so much with caulk, cardboard, and duct tape.
To email me directly, send a message to puckdropper (at) fastmail.fm
On Apr 9, 8:32 pm, "Puff Griffis" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "tom" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
>
>
> >I know, google group posters may be scorned as
> >the spammers they are.
> > Nonetheless, I've been updating an antique desk
> > to handle the
> > "information age" by cautiously tearing out the
> > vertical folder
> > storage to create enough room to handle the
> > computer tower. But the
> > front apron, dowelled and glued to the
> > carcasses, has made for most of
> > the work so far. I'm trying to keep the apron as
> > a false drawer front
> > for the keyboard and mouse. This desk was bought
> > by my dad in the
> > early sixties or so for $25.00 when the Masons
> > were moving their lodge
> > out of one Detroit suburb to another. Nice
> > mitred dovetail work on the
> > drawers, mortised locksets on all doors and
> > drawers and one skeleton
> > key I'll try not to lose. My grandfather had
> > restored the spindle
> > gallery, and dad had replaced the leather top
> > and surrounding veneer.
> > Not bad for Masons. I just hope that the
> > Illuminati don't get wind of
> > this "desecration". (Insert emoticon here). It's
> > in the "work in
> > progress" album.
> >http://tomeshew.spaces.live.com/
>
> I will mention you in Lodge Monday night.
> Puff
(Ominous music up) Tom
On Apr 10, 5:33 pm, [email protected] wrote:
> Tom:
>
> You should consider going wireless on the mouse and keyboard.
>
> I don't have them but others swear by them. It would remove the
> "wires draped over the desk" look in one of the pictures.
>
> Nice work.
>
> Jim
I've just recieved the drawer slides from Rockler which should clean
things up a bit. Kinda cheap; we'll see how they work. Anyone know of
a higher-end supplier of these? http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=1217&filter=keyboard%20slide
The broken apron has been repaired, and hopefully it'll function well
as a drop-down keyboard drawer front.
"tom" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> This desk was bought by my dad in the
> early sixties or so for $25.00 when the Masons were moving their lodge
> out of one Detroit suburb to another.
Considering how things depreciate over time, I'd give you maybe $15 for it
now. Cash. Final offer.
OK, if you do the restoration I'll up my offer a few bucks.
Looks like a nice project that will be rewarding once done.
On Apr 11, 2:01 pm, tom <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> ...
>
> I've got a spare refrigerator in the utility room. (smiley-face)
> Probably overkill in my case, though. And I'm pretty cheap, too. That
> much cable can add up. I'm looking at creating a filtered inlet on the
> front floor of the tower bay(maybe the whole floor?), and the exhaust
> fan will pull the heat out of the top back. More maintenance for me to
> remember to perform, but I feel that the filter(s) will be necessary
> in this environment. When I've cracked open this old tower in the
> past, you wouldn't believe the dust that fell out. Tom
If the number 1 cause of computer hardware failure isn't heat, then
it's dust. I work on a Dec Alpha that has repeatedly failed to boot
on two different occasions. Each time we opened up the case,
blew the grunge out and it promptly booted.
--
FF
On Apr 10, 1:10 pm, Puckdropper <[email protected]> wrote:
> This got to be a quoting mess! Please trim out what you're not replying
> to.
>
> Many computer problems are caused by insufficient cooling. If your
> computer's acting flaky and just odd (and you don't have a virus or
> spyware), it could be cooling issues. Keep this in mind as you design
> your cases and cabinets.
>
> Also, many computers have fans in front. You might not notice this from
> looking at the case.
>
> Puckdropper
> --
> You can only do so much with caulk, cardboard, and duct tape.
>
> To email me directly, send a message to puckdropper (at) fastmail.fm
Sorry. Must be the google in me. This old computer's always acted
somewhat flaky and odd. I just attribute that to Windows98 SE. But
what do I know? We've just purchased our second computer(OS called
"Vista"), and are being dragged kicking and screaming into the twenty-
first century. As far as ventilation design, I feel sorta limited to
the most discreet installation I can envision, maybe out of some
strange deep-seated respect for the desk and its history. So there's
still a line I won't cross when it comes to modifications to the parts
that show. I think I'm trying to preserve the anachronistic qualities
of a probable late nineteenth century desk with a twentieth century
computer sittin' on top. Then again, maybe this computer should also
be considered an antique, eh? Tom
On Apr 10, 7:32 am, "asmurff" <[email protected]> wrote:
> I'd get a USB fan if you have a spare slot that way it would only run while
> the computer is on & try exhausting the cabinet only, shouldn't lead to pet
> hair problems.
>
> --
> Mike
> Watch for the bounce.
> If ya didn't see it, ya didn't feel it.
> If ya see it, it didn't go off.
> Old Air Force Munitions Saying
> IYAAYAS"tom" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:e97e11eb-66d8-4408-b2a8-57e84b4a8e3b@i36g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
> > On Apr 9, 11:04 am, "Lee Michaels" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> "tom" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> >>news:[email protected]...
>
> >> >I know, google group posters may be scorned as the spammers they are.
> >> > Nonetheless, I've been updating an antique desk to handle the
> >> > "information age" by cautiously tearing out the vertical folder
> >> > storage to create enough room to handle the computer tower. But the
> >> > front apron, dowelled and glued to the carcasses, has made for most of
> >> > the work so far. I'm trying to keep the apron as a false drawer front
> >> > for the keyboard and mouse. This desk was bought by my dad in the
> >> > early sixties or so for $25.00 when the Masons were moving their lodge
> >> > out of one Detroit suburb to another. Nice mitred dovetail work on the
> >> > drawers, mortised locksets on all doors and drawers and one skeleton
> >> > key I'll try not to lose. My grandfather had restored the spindle
> >> > gallery, and dad had replaced the leather top and surrounding veneer.
> >> > Not bad for Masons. I just hope that the Illuminati don't get wind of
> >> > this "desecration". (Insert emoticon here). It's in the "work in
> >> > progress" album. http://tomeshew.spaces.live.com/
>
> >> Nice looking desk. I love the leather top.
>
> >> Will that computer box have enough air circulation to stay cool?
>
> > Good thinking. For now, I leave the doors cracked open until I get an
> > exhaust fan installed. Unfortunately, that will also increase the dust
> > factor. Three dogs and three cats. Maybe filters... Tom
I'll look into that, may have to add a USB hub. But man, oh man, you
should see the fur flying around here! Tom
"tom" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I know, google group posters may be scorned as
>the spammers they are.
> Nonetheless, I've been updating an antique desk
> to handle the
> "information age" by cautiously tearing out the
> vertical folder
> storage to create enough room to handle the
> computer tower. But the
> front apron, dowelled and glued to the
> carcasses, has made for most of
> the work so far. I'm trying to keep the apron as
> a false drawer front
> for the keyboard and mouse. This desk was bought
> by my dad in the
> early sixties or so for $25.00 when the Masons
> were moving their lodge
> out of one Detroit suburb to another. Nice
> mitred dovetail work on the
> drawers, mortised locksets on all doors and
> drawers and one skeleton
> key I'll try not to lose. My grandfather had
> restored the spindle
> gallery, and dad had replaced the leather top
> and surrounding veneer.
> Not bad for Masons. I just hope that the
> Illuminati don't get wind of
> this "desecration". (Insert emoticon here). It's
> in the "work in
> progress" album.
> http://tomeshew.spaces.live.com/
I will mention you in Lodge Monday night.
Puff
I'd get a USB fan if you have a spare slot that way it would only run while
the computer is on & try exhausting the cabinet only, shouldn't lead to pet
hair problems.
--
Mike
Watch for the bounce.
If ya didn't see it, ya didn't feel it.
If ya see it, it didn't go off.
Old Air Force Munitions Saying
IYAAYAS
"tom" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:e97e11eb-66d8-4408-b2a8-57e84b4a8e3b@i36g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On Apr 9, 11:04 am, "Lee Michaels" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> "tom" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>
>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> >I know, google group posters may be scorned as the spammers they are.
>> > Nonetheless, I've been updating an antique desk to handle the
>> > "information age" by cautiously tearing out the vertical folder
>> > storage to create enough room to handle the computer tower. But the
>> > front apron, dowelled and glued to the carcasses, has made for most of
>> > the work so far. I'm trying to keep the apron as a false drawer front
>> > for the keyboard and mouse. This desk was bought by my dad in the
>> > early sixties or so for $25.00 when the Masons were moving their lodge
>> > out of one Detroit suburb to another. Nice mitred dovetail work on the
>> > drawers, mortised locksets on all doors and drawers and one skeleton
>> > key I'll try not to lose. My grandfather had restored the spindle
>> > gallery, and dad had replaced the leather top and surrounding veneer.
>> > Not bad for Masons. I just hope that the Illuminati don't get wind of
>> > this "desecration". (Insert emoticon here). It's in the "work in
>> > progress" album. http://tomeshew.spaces.live.com/
>>
>> Nice looking desk. I love the leather top.
>>
>> Will that computer box have enough air circulation to stay cool?
>
> Good thinking. For now, I leave the doors cracked open until I get an
> exhaust fan installed. Unfortunately, that will also increase the dust
> factor. Three dogs and three cats. Maybe filters... Tom
"tom" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:69ceb4f4-adf6-4e53-81a4-e90823519802@u36g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On Apr 10, 1:10 pm, Puckdropper <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> This got to be a quoting mess! Please trim out what you're not replying
>> to.
>>
>> Many computer problems are caused by insufficient cooling. If your
>> computer's acting flaky and just odd (and you don't have a virus or
>> spyware), it could be cooling issues. Keep this in mind as you design
>> your cases and cabinets.
>>
>> Also, many computers have fans in front. You might not notice this from
>> looking at the case.
>>
>> Puckdropper
>> --
>> You can only do so much with caulk, cardboard, and duct tape.
>>
>> To email me directly, send a message to puckdropper (at) fastmail.fm
>
> Sorry. Must be the google in me. This old computer's always acted
> somewhat flaky and odd. I just attribute that to Windows98 SE. But
> what do I know? We've just purchased our second computer(OS called
> "Vista"), and are being dragged kicking and screaming into the twenty-
> first century. As far as ventilation design, I feel sorta limited to
> the most discreet installation I can envision, maybe out of some
> strange deep-seated respect for the desk and its history. So there's
> still a line I won't cross when it comes to modifications to the parts
> that show. I think I'm trying to preserve the anachronistic qualities
> of a probable late nineteenth century desk with a twentieth century
> computer sittin' on top. Then again, maybe this computer should also
> be considered an antique, eh? Tom
I have been to several businesses that hid their computers in another room.
They ran all their cables through some kind of discrete camoflague. Some
trading companies do this as a matter of course because of heat problems.
They put their high performance computers in another room to cool them and
not turn the office into a sauna.
On Apr 9, 11:04 am, "Lee Michaels" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "tom" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
> >I know, google group posters may be scorned as the spammers they are.
> > Nonetheless, I've been updating an antique desk to handle the
> > "information age" by cautiously tearing out the vertical folder
> > storage to create enough room to handle the computer tower. But the
> > front apron, dowelled and glued to the carcasses, has made for most of
> > the work so far. I'm trying to keep the apron as a false drawer front
> > for the keyboard and mouse. This desk was bought by my dad in the
> > early sixties or so for $25.00 when the Masons were moving their lodge
> > out of one Detroit suburb to another. Nice mitred dovetail work on the
> > drawers, mortised locksets on all doors and drawers and one skeleton
> > key I'll try not to lose. My grandfather had restored the spindle
> > gallery, and dad had replaced the leather top and surrounding veneer.
> > Not bad for Masons. I just hope that the Illuminati don't get wind of
> > this "desecration". (Insert emoticon here). It's in the "work in
> > progress" album. http://tomeshew.spaces.live.com/
>
> Nice looking desk. I love the leather top.
>
> Will that computer box have enough air circulation to stay cool?
Good thinking. For now, I leave the doors cracked open until I get an
exhaust fan installed. Unfortunately, that will also increase the dust
factor. Three dogs and three cats. Maybe filters... Tom
On Apr 11, 9:04 am, "Lee Michaels" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "tom" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:69ceb4f4-adf6-4e53-81a4-e90823519802@u36g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Apr 10, 1:10 pm, Puckdropper <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> This got to be a quoting mess! Please trim out what you're not replying
> >> to.
>
> >> Many computer problems are caused by insufficient cooling. If your
> >> computer's acting flaky and just odd (and you don't have a virus or
> >> spyware), it could be cooling issues. Keep this in mind as you design
> >> your cases and cabinets.
>
> >> Also, many computers have fans in front. You might not notice this from
> >> looking at the case.
>
> >> Puckdropper
> >> --
> >> You can only do so much with caulk, cardboard, and duct tape.
>
> >> To email me directly, send a message to puckdropper (at) fastmail.fm
>
> > Sorry. Must be the google in me. This old computer's always acted
> > somewhat flaky and odd. I just attribute that to Windows98 SE. But
> > what do I know? We've just purchased our second computer(OS called
> > "Vista"), and are being dragged kicking and screaming into the twenty-
> > first century. As far as ventilation design, I feel sorta limited to
> > the most discreet installation I can envision, maybe out of some
> > strange deep-seated respect for the desk and its history. So there's
> > still a line I won't cross when it comes to modifications to the parts
> > that show. I think I'm trying to preserve the anachronistic qualities
> > of a probable late nineteenth century desk with a twentieth century
> > computer sittin' on top. Then again, maybe this computer should also
> > be considered an antique, eh? Tom
>
> I have been to several businesses that hid their computers in another room.
> They ran all their cables through some kind of discrete camoflague. Some
> trading companies do this as a matter of course because of heat problems.
> They put their high performance computers in another room to cool them and
> not turn the office into a sauna.
I've got a spare refrigerator in the utility room. (smiley-face)
Probably overkill in my case, though. And I'm pretty cheap, too. That
much cable can add up. I'm looking at creating a filtered inlet on the
front floor of the tower bay(maybe the whole floor?), and the exhaust
fan will pull the heat out of the top back. More maintenance for me to
remember to perform, but I feel that the filter(s) will be necessary
in this environment. When I've cracked open this old tower in the
past, you wouldn't believe the dust that fell out. Tom
"tom" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I know, google group posters may be scorned as the spammers they are.
> Nonetheless, I've been updating an antique desk to handle the
> "information age" by cautiously tearing out the vertical folder
> storage to create enough room to handle the computer tower. But the
> front apron, dowelled and glued to the carcasses, has made for most of
> the work so far. I'm trying to keep the apron as a false drawer front
> for the keyboard and mouse. This desk was bought by my dad in the
> early sixties or so for $25.00 when the Masons were moving their lodge
> out of one Detroit suburb to another. Nice mitred dovetail work on the
> drawers, mortised locksets on all doors and drawers and one skeleton
> key I'll try not to lose. My grandfather had restored the spindle
> gallery, and dad had replaced the leather top and surrounding veneer.
> Not bad for Masons. I just hope that the Illuminati don't get wind of
> this "desecration". (Insert emoticon here). It's in the "work in
> progress" album. http://tomeshew.spaces.live.com/
Nice looking desk. I love the leather top.
Will that computer box have enough air circulation to stay cool?
On Wed, 09 Apr 2008 11:14:28 -0700, tom wrote:
> On Apr 9, 11:04 am, "Lee Michaels" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Will that computer box have enough air circulation to stay cool?
>
> Good thinking. For now, I leave the doors cracked open until I get an
> exhaust fan installed. Unfortunately, that will also increase the dust
> factor. Three dogs and three cats. Maybe filters... Tom
Another route to go is a fanless system or water cooled with an external
radiator. Both routes will cost more for similar performance to a
standard machine.
Water cooling requires two small holes for coolant input and output and
an external radiator to be placed somewhere nearby. The farther away it
is the more powerful of a pump you need and then have higher potential
for leaks. Water cooled works but I probably wouldn't recommend it for a
first timer solution in a piece of fine furniture because of the slight
chance of leaks if built improperly.
Fanless closed systems are common in industrial applications, car/rv
units and are becoming more mainstream for home theater applications.
Although the home theater designs are often low flow so called "silent"
rather than fanless.
Fanless involves using a mobile processor that is designed to clock down
speed and therefore heat when not needed and solid state drives which
produce virtually no heat and fanless high efficiency power supplies.
Using standard components a well designed system with a motherboard with
fan speed controls, a power supply with fan speed controls, an aluminum
case to transfer internal heat and a solid state drive should get you
more than half way there. These are all relatively common components with
little additional cost, except for the solid state drive. Normally you
would only need a tiny solid state drive for the system OS and then
purchase an external home user NAS drive (very cheap these days, uses
standard IDE or SATA disks, as low as $80 for external Ethernet case and
250gb drive).
If someone in the family knows about computers you can even go diskless
and boot off CD, USB thumbdrive or the external drive removing the solid
state drive which is the most expensive component.
Any local college geek should be able to build this for you if you are
uncomfortable building systems. I completed a project a few years ago
with over 150 diskless workstations including diskless workstations at
remote offices all booting and running off of the main servers housed at
a separate secure and temperature controlled location.